Merchant's Daughter [Game Restart!]

[Slaxx]

Not to like, impose arranged marriage on people, but I think we would get a lot farther if we chose pairs near the end of the day and decided as a group. We could organize a lot better that way.

[Slaxx]

Are we planning on strategizing coin amount at all, because I'm going to be very picky with who I accept as a partner thanks to that mechanic

I think the pair aspect of this is way more important since they become lovers. We could potentially pair the scummiest people together and get 2-for-1 deals on lynches.

[Slaxx]

I request to dance with the worse

Let us do this my lady duck

i was gonna play hard to get but you the first post of the game is an homage to how adorable I am

how can I refuse?

I accept

<33

Welp, that killed it.

Still think its best we choose as a group even if mafia will have some influence in it, because once we get our first Red flip we could get information not only from the scumhunting but how they weighed in on pairing as well.

[Slaxx]

Are we planning on strategizing coin amount at all, because I'm going to be very picky with who I accept as a partner thanks to that mechanic

I'm not sure how valuable strategising coin amounts will actually be considering we'll have a second day with equally weighted votes to sort through the shenaniganry of d11

Yeah. If we have time we can, but I'm hung up on lovers.

I have an idea for how we should go about pairing if we do it as a group but if I vocalize it now it can be gamed, so remind me in like...four days or something.

[Slaxx]

Okay

I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game

And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy

So keep that in mind

What the fuck is a coin

bro read the setup

[Slaxx]

I think FB is town for asking that question compulsively. I feel like Mafia checks first here just in case they feel like not knowing would AI them somehow.

[Slaxx]

I think FB is town for asking that question compulsively. I feel like Mafia checks first here just in case they feel like not knowing would AI them somehow.

I got townread before as scum because of posts like this mr duckie. U ain't going to pocket me this way.

Well how was I supposed to know that goob

[Slaxx]

Read the setup fire

I DIDNT EXPECT FAKEGOD TO CHANGE THE SETUP!


ALSO WOULDNT IT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR THE GENTLEMEN TO HAVE THE COIN!?

wowwwwwww

[Slaxx]

Only key difference here vs. the coalition setup is it's distinctly +ev for scum to powerwolf like crazy during predance and infiltrate the power couples vs. coalition where max ev is one off/one on

the little voices in my head are telling me to be careful of finding 6 people to basically prep for the finale when half of them could be scum

I recognise the probability of it is absolutely tiny but still

Yeah but in that scenario it doesn't take three, it just takes one. It also gives people an excuse to chain lynches together. I don't really like it.

[Slaxx]

Only key difference here vs. the coalition setup is it's distinctly +ev for scum to powerwolf like crazy during predance and infiltrate the power couples vs. coalition where max ev is one off/one on

the little voices in my head are telling me to be careful of finding 6 people to basically prep for the finale when half of them could be scum

I recognise the probability of it is absolutely tiny but still

Yeah but in that scenario it doesn't take three, it just takes one. It also gives people an excuse to chain lynches together. I don't really like it.

Why does it only take 1?

Because 1 scum in the townblock loses the game.

[Slaxx]

I might have a scum read. Spicy.

[Slaxx]

Because 1 scum in the townblock loses the game.

How so? Wouldn't there be a LyLo to find them?

Yeah, I suppose that's true. Still not liking it. I'd rather setup strategically (which once again I will mention a bit later) than just choosing 6 town people, especially before any flips.

[Slaxx]

This fucking role-playing comment chain is pissing me off.

[Slaxx]

I think FB is town for asking that question compulsively. I feel like Mafia checks first here just in case they feel like not knowing would AI them somehow.

I got townread before as scum because of posts like this mr duckie. U ain't going to pocket me this way.

Ohhh shit. This was from Slaxx.

My mind just played tricks on me

I was seriously wondering why you called ME duckie but I thought maybe you called everyone duckie *shrug*

[Slaxx]

I think FB is town for asking that question compulsively. I feel like Mafia checks first here just in case they feel like not knowing would AI them somehow.

I got townread before as scum because of posts like this mr duckie. U ain't going to pocket me this way.

Ohhh shit. This was from Slaxx.

My mind just played tricks on me

I was seriously wondering why you called ME duckie but I thought maybe you called everyone duckie *shrug*

I am sorry, I swear I am not on any drugs at the moment.

tbh wouldn't care if you were

@Adel

: Any reads or input on strategy?

[Slaxx]

Slaxx seems like a cool dude, but I don't know, I am a sucker for the hard ass attitude that wants to get shit done. It's a very endearing personality to see.

Does that change your read on TW at all?

[Slaxx]

Slaxx seems like a cool dude, but I don't know, I am a sucker for the hard ass attitude that wants to get shit done. It's a very endearing personality to see.

Does that change your read on TW at all?

No, I think its pretty easy to townread your attitude here as scum. Its actually one of my go tos when I am scum. Easier to make a townread of people you see as caring about the game.

If anything it makes me suspect my lovely duck more.

Alright. I kinda figured you'd say that, but if you didn't I would have at least caught you off guard during some RTI.

Back to the weather.

[Slaxx]

Alright. I kinda figured you'd say that, but if you didn't I would have at least caught you off guard during some RTI.Back to the weather.

Why did you figure I would say this?

You just accused TW of pocketing earlier (although that was me who you thought was TW) so I figured if you were consistent you would be paranoid about his townread on me as well. Not super AI but if you found him town somehow because of that would have justified a push.

[Slaxx]

Alright. I kinda figured you'd say that, but if you didn't I would have at least caught you off guard during some RTI.Back to the weather.

Why did you figure I would say this?

You just accused TW of pocketing earlier (although that was me who you thought was TW) so I figured if you were consistent you would be paranoid about his townread on me as well. Not super AI but if you found him town somehow because of that would have justified a push.

okay but my accusation of tw pocketing me was mostly a joke (even though it was at u), I am scum reading tw for his general disposition and way he is interacting with me and others. My general vibe is a lack of authenticity backed with a lot of playfulness. Which is where my read is.

Although given how one of the posts that pinged me was from you, I will revalute it a bit later to see how much that affected it.

That post didn't really seem like the joke when paired with the reference, but I don't see what you gain as scum for lying about it so I'll take your word for it.

[Slaxx]

Okay yeah I have a scumread.

[Slaxx]

I can sense your anger duckling but I don't think its AI.

@Slaxx Me Too

I'll bite. Is it TW? Mine isn't TW.

[Slaxx]

I can sense your anger duckling but I don't think its AI.

@Slaxx Me Too

I'll bite. Is it TW? Mine isn't TW.

Yes. I am so hard to figure out. How did you guess?

Okay...is it GENUINELY a scumread? Because if you were doing this to get an AI reaction, you got one. Just not from TW.

[Slaxx]

I think our minds are going to the same place slaxx

Yup. Kinda waiting for a second.

[Slaxx]

the read is genuine

This is a Trust Tell. A bannable offense and needs to be removed from the game.

Was this in reference to our mindmeld or separate?

[Slaxx]

the read is genuine

This is a Trust Tell. A bannable offense and needs to be removed from the game.

Was this in reference to our mindmeld or separate?

separate
it was a shitpost

lol

do u see what i see

[Slaxx]

the read is genuine

This is a Trust Tell. A bannable offense and needs to be removed from the game.

Was this in reference to our mindmeld or separate?

separate
it was a shitpost

lol

do u see what i see

I'm suddenly starting to think maybe not

Wait you're not on Adel SR?

[Slaxx]

the read is genuine

This is a Trust Tell. A bannable offense and needs to be removed from the game.

Was this in reference to our mindmeld or separate?

separate
it was a shitpost

lol

do u see what i see

I'm suddenly starting to think maybe not

Wait you're not on Adel SR?

It is funny to me that once again you have scum read me, and it matters not what account I am on.

The fact you're an alt makes that way way worse tbh.

[Slaxx]

The worst is town.
Firebringer and Adelbert are scum.
You're welcome.

Good man. Not sold on FB scum but I'll take Adel.

[Slaxx]

People jumping on fb already are probably scummy

I haven't read anything yet

Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?

[Slaxx]

Actually I really don't like Dunn's entrance as it processes.

[Slaxx]

I am busy doing a deep dive of Slaxx meta to figure out Alberts Alt/Main. This is insane.

I had no idea who Slaxx was at all and he has had way more games on here than I expected.

I have more on lolwagons, have fun.

[Slaxx]

I'm kind of surprised it took this long for an Adel scumread to start appearing, the entrance to the game in of itself was scummy

it pinged me the early interactions with what's her name were pockety but hers were fluffy as well so I kinda binned it as <rand s/s and let it simmer

Why'd you have to be paired with FB

We could have made a beautiful couple

[Slaxx]

I want to point out that people are reading Alberts personality as scummy. None of his play has been indicative of anything so far. But I am so curious on who the player is.

No

I haven't even said why I SR them yet

wtf

[Slaxx]

Ank and Urist are null
Dunn is town

Why is Dunn town?

[Slaxx]

Ank and Urist are null
Dunn is town

Why is Dunn town?

Good analysis, seems towny. Don't worry yourself, this is early on, reads can and will change.

...He had like four posts

[Slaxx]

Ank and Urist are null
Dunn is town

Why is Dunn town?

Good analysis, seems towny. Don't worry yourself, this is early on, reads can and will change.

...He had like four posts

@Allo it should be very easy for you to tell me why he was townie, specifically, in the immediate future, since his ISO is so short. I look forward to hearing from you.

[Slaxx]

Why won't you just freaking tell me why you thought he was town? I'm not buying it and it looks like pocketing.

[Slaxx]

Allo is probably town

no

[Slaxx]

he's also spewing a lot of content and if he's wolfing he's gonna become pretty obvious pretty quick

Being opaque about a weird townread on someone with

six

(not four) posts, and then townreading the guy pressuring him while continuing to obfuscate as if to diffuse the situation?

That's not obvious?

[Slaxx]

People jumping on fb already are probably scummy

I haven't read anything yet

Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?

Because he's lynchbait

Read the past dance games

Being lynchbait doesn't make you immune to scumreads

My fucking god I might as well make it my sig.

[Slaxx]

Dunnstral is scum.

Dunnie and Worstie don't seem S/S though. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The fact that you would even consider this is damning in and of itself. The only reason I don't want you to be the first lynch is because we need tw.

You don't want to lynch someone you think is scum because we lose a townie? That's not how you win this game.

What the hell happened in the last couple pages

[Slaxx]

Okay

Allo and I agree on Krazy

[Slaxx]

I want Krazy and Jibril paired together.

[Slaxx]

Gut read I think Adel is town

>_______________>

[Slaxx]

I'm kinda getting the impression that either everybody contentposting right now are town or that there's only one scum in that same list

Even Krazy?

[Slaxx]

Only one person I would move so far but I'll wait for some if the other people first, not gonna update yet

you should update now

enlighten us

[Slaxx]

One of Adel/Jibril is scum for flirting around the idea of pairing up but not doing it. Looks like trying to buddy early to secure a partner, which I feel like would be closer to the back of your mind as town D1.

Don't think they would both do it because if we called their bluff that would be dangerous.

I am inclined to think Adel is scum because that push on TW did not seem sincere, I think it was pretty clear TW did not imply that the SvS interaction he pointed out from another game meant S/S in this game, just that it felt similar in that it might be contrived and overconfident. He also felt like he was circling the wagon and waiting for a good time to push. He also initially only gave a townread on me, and put way more effort into flirting with Jibril than he did the game up until more people came in.

[Slaxx]

One of Adel/Jibril is scum for flirting around the idea of pairing up but not doing it. Looks like trying to buddy early to secure a partner, which I feel like would be closer to the back of your mind as town D1.

Don't think they would both do it because if we called their bluff that would be dangerous.

I am inclined to think Adel is scum because that push on TW did not seem sincere, I think it was pretty clear TW did not imply that the SvS interaction he pointed out from another game meant S/S in this game, just that it felt similar in that it might be contrived and overconfident. He also felt like he was circling the wagon and waiting for a good time to push. He also initially only gave a townread on me, and put way more effort into flirting with Jibril than he did the game up until more people came in.

But the lady can't propose so

Not officially, but seriously, read that exchange and tell me what else that accomplished? She even said "want to find out" trying to goad him in to it. I mean come on.

I usually feel like I meld with you more, your entrance has thrown me off.

[Slaxx]

She even said "want to find out" trying to goad him in to it.

So... she was trying to get him to dance? So what's the issue

...

seriously?

The issue is the only effort up until then was securing a partner when there was stuff of substance happening elsewhere. That's the issue.

And as I've said i think twice now, scum would be more interested in being left out than town would.

[Slaxx]

All of Jibril's posts are roleplaying

Does she always roleplay as someone doing something that would benefit scum while also not giving reads?

[Slaxx]

She even said "want to find out" trying to goad him in to it.

So... she was trying to get him to dance? So what's the issue

...

seriously?

The issue is the only effort up until then was securing a partner when there was stuff of substance happening elsewhere. That's the issue.

And as I've said i think twice now, scum would be more interested in being left out than town would.

There are 9 gents and 8 ladies, barring shenanigans Jibril wouldn't need to worry about being left out

I don't think Jibril's posts are very indicative

All of Jibril's posts are roleplaying

Does she always roleplay as someone doing something that would benefit scum while also not giving reads?

Never seen her before

That's valid for Jibril, now, onto Adel?

[Slaxx]

You're dismissing valid concerns way too quickly to be town, IMO.

[Slaxx]

You're dismissing valid concerns way too quickly to be town, IMO.

I don't think your push on Jibril was a valid concern

You're right, I derped and forgot Jibril wouldn't be left out.

That doesn't change how you came in and immediately waived off FB as lynchbait then have I think twice now misunderstood my point about Adel.

[Slaxx]

I don't have anything to say about your push on Adel, it's not incorrect like I think it is for Jibril, I still gut townread them and think town can be hesitant to want to form a pair, especially a hydra who may want to consult their other head

Its not the hesitancy to form the pair, its the focus or the effort on it in proportion to the level of other useful activity

What the everloving hell is opaque about that point

[Slaxx]

What I'm doing isn't "dismissing concerns"

I explained why I don't think it is correct, is there a problem with my analysis on Jibril?

Their account name is an anime character, matching their picture, and they don't seem 100% serious

I literally just conceded the Jibril point.

[Slaxx]

And it LITERALLY does not change a damn thing about the Adel point. Jib-town just makes that point stronger. I mean christ.

Didn't you open with a snarky tiny mind comment?

[Slaxx]

THEN I SAID:

You're dismissing valid concerns way too quickly to be town, IMO.

I don't think your push on Jibril was a valid concern

You're right, I derped and forgot Jibril wouldn't be left out.

That doesn't change how you came in and immediately waived off FB as lynchbait then have I think twice now misunderstood my point about Adel.

[Slaxx]

OK. So what's the problem? That I don't agree with your read on Adel?

Your analysis is fine, maybe he can come in and defend himself, It's just not enough to convince me. It's something that he

may

be doing, circumstantial evidence at best

Its your overall entrance and oddly confident posting, I sometimes get you confused with dannflor but I just checked and I'm not, I just expected you to be a lot different and for us to agree more. But yeah, part of it is just the lack of any specific rebuttal to Adel, and also townreading easily.

[Slaxx]

okay

I was going to go on about how two people dismissing this argument made me even more paranoid but I have a TR on Ank and a middling read on FB so I probably just need to step away and come back tomorrow, I may be tunnelling.

[Slaxx]

Nancy I think I’d like to dance with you if you’d be up for it when things move more.

[Slaxx]

Bite me but NancyDrew!Alisae is likely TvT here

Why?

I think ND is town here. Haven’t seen anything particularly AI from Alis.

[Slaxx]

I request to dance with Clemency

You just going to pretend you didn’t read my posts or

[Slaxx]

Nancy I think I’d like to dance with you if you’d be up for it when things move more.

I appreciate that, especially after MBoS. Pencil me in as a tentative yes.

Nice! It’ll be a good chance to get to know someone whose playstyle is different than mine but also pretty sure you’re town here.

[Slaxx]

I request to dance with Clemency

You just going to pretend you didn’t read my posts or

What, what happened?

Exactly. Read the game, preferably the first four pages or so.

Clem you chained yourself to scum-Pink. Use protection.

[Slaxx]

I support a Pink Ball/Clem Lynch. They are both useless at best and scum at worst. There's not bad option here.

Pink has been really on point as town in the games I’ve played with him.

And I always scumread him early and wind up changing.

But I don’t think I will this game. A little peeved about the casualness of the pairing.

[Slaxx]

I request to dance with Clemency

You just going to pretend you didn’t read my posts or

What, what happened?

Exactly. Read the game, preferably the first four pages or so.

Clem you chained yourself to scum-Pink. Use protection.

I read the whole thread, bae. You mean not partering up this early? Me partnering with Clem right now is pro town.

I’m debating whether you actually think that but I am confident it is not.

[Slaxx]

Town: Because he’s an easy read and you can suicide which literally anyone could do

Scum: Because your entrance was rocky and you wanted to make sure you could pair with someone and you knew Clem would propbably accept given the casual way he plays the game

[Slaxx]

Hint: timing

Hint: Tell me

[Slaxx]

Hey slaxx, how r u?

On lunch at work, so temporarily better.

How r u?

[Slaxx]

Hey slaxx, how r u?

On lunch at work, so temporarily better.

How r u?

Pretty decent going to work out soonish. I need some soda right now though.

Thoughts on PB and Clemency?

PB scumlean, Clem null but I would assume town if PB is scum.

I love Clemency, I do, but his partner doesn’t hitch a wagon to him if they’re both scum.

[Slaxx]

(Nancy Drew, The Worst)
(Ank, Clem)
(Allo, Celica, Alisae, FB, Jib, McQ)
(Dunn, PB, PVT)
(Krazy, Adel)

I think is where I’m at. Middle it’s rough, top two and bottom two I’m relatively confident in.

[Slaxx]

bottom two I’m relatively confident in.

Why are you "relatively confident" in your read of me?

Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people, were sticking to a list that had been made before players even got in the thread and using it to waive off actual scumhunting (“my list is still fine”), and downplayed putting in effort by using the average win rate of town in this setup. It all felt very half-hearted and purposefully dismissive when there were like seven different things going on in the thread you could have commented on to help us read you.

It doesn’t help you’re now pushing me because my reads are supposed to be more valuable, while you
1) Give me nothing of value to read you on besides active lurking and opaque play and
2) Provided very little of value yourself

You also have someone with basically no content at the top of your list which makes literally no sense. I don’t think you’re putting any effort into actually solving the game but plenty in to looking like you are

[Slaxx]

Starting to null-read Krazy. Setup speccing is still NAI, but not as clear scum as before.

Yeah he’s more town now that he’s actually contributing but Christ how could anyone not look at the first 80% of the ISO and scumread it? The fact he is suspicious of me for doing it is what I’m hung up on now.

[Slaxx]

bottom two I’m relatively confident in.

Why are you "relatively confident" in your read of me?

Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people, were sticking to a list that had been made before players even got in the thread and using it to waive off actual scumhunting (“my list is still fine”), and downplayed putting in effort by using the average win rate of town in this setup. It all felt very half-hearted and purposefully dismissive when there were like seven different things going on in the thread you could have commented on to help us read you.

It doesn’t help you’re now pushing me because my reads are supposed to be more valuable, while you
1) Give me nothing of value to read you on besides active lurking and opaque play and
2) Provided very little of value yourself

You also have someone with basically no content at the top of your list which makes literally no sense. I don’t think you’re putting any effort into actually solving the game but plenty in to looking like you are

What is Krazys plan here as scum?

Coast into mid game while looking busy while hopefully setting up favorable pairs for the scumteam with an opaque list.

Do I believe that as much now that’s he’s actually solving? No, not as much.

[Slaxx]

Like he literally said “maybe it’s because I haven’t started solving” or whatever, like okay, if you have to make that caveat known maybe my read was justified?

[Slaxx]

Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people,

Yeah but I also explained this is what I was doing, so why were you acting like someone who basically said "I'm not really playing yet" was a "strong scumread"?

I just looked for use of strong in my ISO and couldn’t find it.

I believe what I said was “relatively confident”

Do

not

put something like that in quotes if I didn’t say it. That’s just shitty play regardless of your alignment.

[Slaxx]

bottom two I’m relatively confident in.

Why are you "relatively confident" in your read of me?

Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people, were sticking to a list that had been made before players even got in the thread and using it to waive off actual scumhunting (“my list is still fine”), and downplayed putting in effort by using the average win rate of town in this setup. It all felt very half-hearted and purposefully dismissive when there were like seven different things going on in the thread you could have commented on to help us read you.

It doesn’t help you’re now pushing me because my reads are supposed to be more valuable, while you
1) Give me nothing of value to read you on besides active lurking and opaque play and
2) Provided very little of value yourself

You also have someone with basically no content at the top of your list which makes literally no sense. I don’t think you’re putting any effort into actually solving the game but plenty in to looking like you are

What is Krazys plan here as scum?

Coast into mid game while looking busy while hopefully setting up favorable pairs for the scumteam with an opaque list.

Do I believe that as much now that’s he’s actually solving? No, not as much.

I don't think the list is opaque at all. Early on it was, but now there is clear logic behind it and I agree with it for the most part.

Which is what I said? I said I don’t buy that theory as much now.

[Slaxx]

I think Krazy has too much BoP for that to work so brazenly in the first place, Slaxx

BoP?

[Slaxx]

The fact he is suspicious of me for doing it is what I’m hung up on now.

While moving you from #2 to #3 is actually significant, I do still have you in the top 4 lol

Bear in mind that absolutely anyone that is considered for the top 4 will undergo much more scrutiny than anyone else

Like I kinda don't care about tw/firebringer since they never are in the final 4, I highly doubt Clem/PB makes final 4 so I don't care there, but whether a townread player like you is at 2, 3, or 4 is way more significant.

but me saying I have concerns is not me saying I scumread you right now

I’m not worried about my slot on your list

I’m worried about why someone with no content is at the top

[Slaxx]

McQueen is a pretty easy townread when he's town, but he hasn't shown up yet. That's more an expected placement than an actual placement right now, as I kinda explained

That’s not really what I got from that, and I think with your use of “kinda” explained that’s what you expected me to say, but okay. I have no reason not to buy that.

[Slaxx]

Burden of Proficiency

He does in my eyes at least, since he had perfect reads in my only other game with him.

That’s a weird thing to bring up but okay I guess

[Slaxx]

Oh nevermind I’m on mobile too

[Slaxx]

I thought you were using that to directly refute lynching him, but there was a piece in their about how he couldn’t get away with that meta wise which connected those two neurons.

[Slaxx]

Fucking shit I used the wrong “there”

My ancestors...

[Slaxx]

I’m going to (see world/Sea world)

[Slaxx]

I want to be paired with Nancy but the concern about us being offed is a valid one.

If we don’t think that’s best, I request Dunn. I at least want a null read I know is capable of working with me in a PT to get shit done. I’m not participating in hentai-role play-hour with Jib.

[Slaxx]

Oh.

Allo is town.

[Slaxx]

(Allomancer Nancy Drew 39 Krazy)
(the worst Alisae Adelbert Steiner)
(Clemency Firebringer Ankamius)
(Reinhardt mcqueen PvtUrist Dunnstral Jibril-Null)
(Pink Ball Slaxx)

Can explain the first 2 and last line pretty easily. I also love how I was giving Allo crap for not explaining his reads when he made something like this and I'm doing the same thing.

Ooooo I’m becoming controversial

[Slaxx]

My issue with Slax is all I really see in his iso is a lot of angry posts where he appears to get pissed off. If we take anger as NAI and just look at the content and context posts I really dislike his posts.

the read is genuine

This is a Trust Tell. A bannable offense and needs to be removed from the game.

Was this in reference to our mindmeld or separate?

separate
it was a shitpost

lol

do u see what i see

I'm suddenly starting to think maybe not

Wait you're not on Adel SR?

It is funny to me that once again you have scum read me, and it matters not what account I am on.

The fact you're an alt makes that way way worse tbh.

The fact I townread Adel coming back to this push on him from Slaxx really bad, the post I forgot to quote is him saying he scumreads Adel for Adel saying ‘did you claim scum the worst?’ That post may look bad yeah, but I don’t see why scum Adel even posts that. It feels like a really easy scumread to make and a push I can see Slax going for.

People jumping on fb already are probably scummy

I haven't read anything yet

Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?

Actually I really don't like Dunn's entrance as it processes.

The timing of these posts on dunn just strikes me as off. Feels like a way to discredit, not really trying to solve, but trying to stop reads.

Ank and Urist are null
Dunn is town

Why is Dunn town?

Good analysis, seems towny. Don't worry yourself, this is early on, reads can and will change.

...He had like four posts

Why does post count matter when it comes to a read? I don’t think it does at all. Seems like another reason for trying to stop reads.

People jumping on fb already are probably scummy

I haven't read anything yet

Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?

Because he's lynchbait

Read the past dance games

Being lynchbait doesn't make you immune to scumreads

My fucking god I might as well make it my sig.

Prob the only post of Slaxx I agree and call towny.

Okay

Allo and I agree on Krazy

Before this post he made comments on Allo being scummy/maybe scum. So if that’s true, you and your scumreading agreeing on a read doesn’t make you pause.

Gut read I think Adel is town

>_______________>

The people Slax scumreads right here. One of them (Dunn) calls the other town. (Adel) What makes me pause here is Slax does nothing about it. Not a call out, no questions why, nothing. I would expect Slax to call this out as town or at least question it. All we get is ‘>_>’

(Nancy Drew, The Worst)
(Ank, Clem)
(Allo, Celica, Alisae, FB, Jib, McQ)
(Dunn, PB, PVT)
(Krazy, Adel)

I think is where I’m at. Middle it’s rough, top two and bottom two I’m relatively confident in.

This is further shown by his reads list. So yeah this is why I sr him

Anger probably NAI for me but the read would be determined if you thought it was feigned.

I can’t respond to the off thing.

Post count definitely matters in reads that early. Maybe you could make an argument they wouldn’t if they were huge posts, but they weren’t, and writing “four short posts” seems redundant.

I think I’ve been more solvey than average so I’m not for sure where that’s coming from.

The Dunn thing is a good point, I probably should have pushed him but there was a lot going on. We’ve generated thirty pages in a day. I think your analysis comes more from town, ironically, as Dunn said.

[Slaxx]

It might be hard to explain it when you weren’t there IRT, but if you look at time stamps of posts it really looked like Adel was waiting for a cheap push while FB and TW were 1v1ing. He active lurked for a bit with Jib, disappeared, then came back promptly to make that “gotcha” post on TW which was clunky. He could have been prying them and asking questions while he was in the thread the first time, but seemed to wait until someone to make a low-hanging statement he could grab onto instead of actively sorting them. Surely that makes sense.

[Slaxx]

What is my reads list supposed to support exactly?

[Slaxx]

Oh... I might know who Adel is, and if so, not cool Re: referencing an ongoing game. If not, ignore I guess.

[Slaxx]

Nancy, you can be the one that got away <3

Does anyone have issues with Slaxx/Dunn?

[Slaxx]

Nancy, you can be the one that got away <3

Does anyone have issues with Slaxx/Dunn?

I don't feel nearly as comfortable about Dunn as I do about you fam

That’s the point though.

Nancy and I together would probably just draw the the kill.

Now, I might be begging for that two weeks from now but right now I quite enjoy the game. Allo actually made a lot of sense: Pair scummy people together and then pair each Town with a null.

[Slaxx]

Oh... I might know who Adel is, and if so, not cool Re: referencing an ongoing game. If not, ignore I guess.

Game I was specifically thinking of was about a year ago and was abandoned by the mod. Were you not dog person in that game, if you are so sure who I am?

Nah fam. I’ve only been back three months or so.

My last game before that was like... 2013 or 2012 or something.

[Slaxx]

Does anyone have issues with Slaxx/Dunn?

I kinda would like a bit more discussion before anyone who could plausibly be in the top 6 pairs first of all, which is probably the only reason I haven't offered yet

Beyond that, Dunn's BoP as scum is significantly higher than yours which would mean it would be much riskier to put you in the top 6

Fam u calling my scum game weak

Also how many games have we played together? You’re starting to sound like an expert on my meta and I can’t even remember being in games with you? Not saying we haven’t, I’ve drank like, probably literal gallons since then, but can you refresh me on our shared experience?

[Slaxx]

Also lol@ scumreading a law professional in my game.

[Slaxx]

I am the ghost of christmas past boogaboogabooga

So do we have history or are you just a prolific observer?

[Slaxx]

I have not played this before, but I believe that we should probably come together and decide who is the scummiest gentleman first, that gentleman will be eliminated by not having a dance partner. After that, I am going to be learning whilst doing.

So far, my only read is Slaxx as a townlean.

I do not like how this post feels. It feels like a construct rather than a true belief. I am saying this feels fake.

Oh.
Hmmmmm.

[Slaxx]

I'm already scumreading reinhardt

Remind be to come back to this later

[Slaxx]

So do we have history or are you just a prolific observer?

I spec a lot

Okay.

I’ve only had two recent scum games and I won them both as the towniest mafia.

I know I’m like, probably wifoming the shit out of everyone now, but this is pertinent to talk about.

What makes you think my town game outdoes my scum game?

[Slaxx]

Actually only one. Which was Lovers.

Then the other was a hydra in lynchpin with Auro/Volxen/Me

[Slaxx]

Actually only one. Which was Lovers.

Then the other was a hydra in lynchpin with Auro/Volxen/Me

you think this is about you lol

what do you expect, me to go [Slaxx is shit at playing scum!]

You have it backward; the point is that Dunn is really good at playing scum, and has also won this particular setup before (albeit without this coin nonsense)

Dunn is demonstrably a strong scum player and for that reason pairing a player that can be a consensus townread with him is dangerous. I was volunteering myself for Dunn precisely because I did not enter this game planning to be in a final pairing, and I doubt Dunn did either. Seemed like a good fit in that regard

Additionally, the point I was making was that you two should not pair right now. Given Celica JUST cased you, isn't there like, things to talk about right now? You're not even a consensus read at the moment so it's almost a non-issue, but you still shouldn't pair this early in the pre-dance.

We can talk about the case, sure.

It felt like you were claiming information on me you didn’t have, and when that happened, yes, it did become about me.

[Slaxx]

Actually only one. Which was Lovers.

Then the other was a hydra in lynchpin with Auro/Volxen/Me

so lolwagons doesn't get any credit?

Nah I phased him out

I’m fucking with people on another alt don’t you worry

[Slaxx]

let's be real, lolwagons is a stronger player than slaxx

What does this accomplish?

[Slaxx]

Does anyone have issues with Slaxx/Dunn?

I kinda would like a bit more discussion before anyone who could plausibly be in the top 6 pairs first of all, which is probably the only reason I haven't offered yet

Beyond that, Dunn's BoP as scum is

significantly higher than yours

which would mean it would be much riskier to put you in the top 6

How do you make this decision when I have had only one game as scum here? That's what my concern is. It isn't about your actual rating of my play, and its not about me being with Dunn. I am zeroing in on this particular statement because you seem overconfident in this statement, and instead of working with me to sort it out, you deflect to how it isn't about me and then a dig at my play.

Why is it so mind boggling that I would want to know how you made this determination?

[Slaxx]

What, no one wants to talk about how this

Actually only one. Which was Lovers.

Then the other was a hydra in lynchpin with Auro/Volxen/Me

you think this is about you lol

what do you expect, me to go [Slaxx is shit at playing scum!]

You have it backward; the point is that Dunn is really good at playing scum, and has also won this particular setup before (albeit without this coin nonsense)

Dunn is demonstrably a strong scum player and for that reason pairing a player that can be a consensus townread with him is dangerous. I was volunteering myself for Dunn precisely because I did not enter this game planning to be in a final pairing, and I doubt Dunn did either. Seemed like a good fit in that regard

Additionally, the point I was making was that you two should not pair right now. Given Celica JUST cased you, isn't there like, things to talk about right now? You're not even a consensus read at the moment so it's almost a non-issue, but you still shouldn't pair this early in the pre-dance.

We can talk about the case, sure.

It felt like you were claiming information on me you didn’t have, and when that happened, yes, it did become about me.

was responded to with an insult? We just ignoring it? What about that doesn't warrant a proper response? What about that question was so unfair to him he had to resort to throwing shade at my play?

[Slaxx]

Does anyone have issues with Slaxx/Dunn?

I kinda would like a bit more discussion before anyone who could plausibly be in the top 6 pairs first of all, which is probably the only reason I haven't offered yet

Beyond that, Dunn's BoP as scum is

significantly higher than yours

which would mean it would be much riskier to put you in the top 6

How do you make this decision when I have had only one game as scum here? That's what my concern is. It isn't about your actual rating of my play, and its not about me being with Dunn. I am zeroing in on this particular statement because you seem overconfident in this statement, and instead of working with me to sort it out, you deflect to how it isn't about me and then a dig at my play.

Why is it so mind boggling that I would want to know how you made this determination?

Let's talk about posts in the order they were presented. We can start here, and then move on to the insult.

[Slaxx]

I can see scum motivation in Krazy coming in and saying I'm good at scum to deter me from pairing with Slaxx and trying to get people to agree on both pairings and lynch orders

Freaking.

Exactly.

We were fine until I start talking about one and all the sudden I can't get a straight answer out of him.

[Slaxx]

I'm okay with slaxx dancing with dunn so long as they both know they don't get in the final 4.

You asked if anyone thought it was a bad idea, I said so, and now you're throwing a little tantrum lol

You're still not answering the question. You are deflecting so damn hard right now.

[Slaxx]

I literally asked wtf are you talking about and you chose not to explain

933
941

I want to know how you got to the scum meta comparison on Dunn and I.

"Chose not to explain" is both blatantly false and needlessly shady.

[Slaxx]

I HAVE SAID AT LEAST NOW THIS CONVERSATION IS NO LONGER ABOUT THAT

IT IS ABOUT HOW YOU GOT TO THAT CONCLUSION WHEN I HAVE ONE GAME ON SITE

IT FEELS LIKE YOU PULLING STUFF OUT YOUR DAMN ASS


Im inclined to think I'm fucking right based on your reaction

[Slaxx]

I think people are shouting that Krazy is being scummy and I am looking at things with you know where people tell you X is Y and your like "well maybe X is Y" without really thinking and you just find reasons to agree with that without really like going "well wait why is X Y again?"

yeah

i know

he could have easily towned his way out of this by being like "whoops youre right I thought I had a different meta on you" but instead hes been dodgy af with it

Even if you sincerely think he hasn't read my posts (lol?) he keeps just throwing these little quips meant to provoke me around instead of working with me to solve the issue

[Slaxx]

Everyone has a lower scum bop than dunn because dunn is one of the best scum players on site

You do not even disagree; you yourself have explained you have few recent scum games

I do not need to answer your question because you have explained the reasoning already

One. Where I did, really well.

And stop trying to frame this as me throwing a fit about you throwing shade at my scum game, I have now said multiple times it isn't about that.

[Slaxx]

I'm of the Dunn school of thought that the guy trying to control the pairing list didn't like the idea of dunn and I pairing and pulled something out of his ass to try to suppress it.

[Slaxx]

I think it is fucking weird that he is getting really tilted over the idea that he can be townread

That is a blatant representation of what is going on here and you know it.

[Slaxx]

I don't understand this at all so I'm just gonna ignore it unless I can get an unbiased tl;dr. 960 was so biased as to be useless.

yeah no shit

I'm on to him

He said my sum meta was worse than dunn's scum meta even though I have only one recent game on here where I fleeced most of the town, then when I asked him how he came to the conclusion he started spouting out shit like this and it took him a solid 5-6 posts to stop deflecting and just answer the question. When he did, he basically said that since I only had one game that there wasn't enough info on me and so apparently that makes his statement true. That's like saying 5>x because we don't know x.

The statement was bad and pinged me, the way he has completely undercut me while I tried to pursue it (diplomatically at first) by calling my line of questioning a hissy fit and pegging me further down on the list is what tanked my read on him.

[Slaxx]

ohh i get why this argument is stupid.

Krazy makes statement that he thinks Dunn scum is better than Slaxx.
Slaxx says he can't possibly make that statement because he has no reason to think Dunn scum game is better because he doesn't know his scum game.

Krazy takes that and goes back with well I think Dunn is just better.
Slaxx thinks this is doubling down rather than acknowleding the fact that Krazy is uninformed and overconfident about this.

Krazy again is bewildered thinking that Slaxx is insulted by his statement on his scum game

What a stupid argument.

No, I don't think he is doubling down, I specifically think he wanted to avoid talking about it because he didn't have a valid explanation for what he said.

and once again, a simple "oh you're right, dang, I didnt have the meta I thought I had on you" would have been way better than whatever the hell that was.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx ur argument with Krazy over his opinion of you and Dunn is kind of silly. Yeah he doesn't have any meta on you that should make over confident boasts about his thinking of your meta but this really is painting you like you are just butthurt at not being recognized and I don't think you want to paint yourself as that, so you should probably stop.

Fuck that noise, how many times now have I had to say this isn't about that? Would you like a notarized goddamn letter?

1. He made a statement he couldn't back up
2. I asked him for his reasoning
3. He was dodgy about giving it and started undercutting me for pursuing it

[Slaxx]

I don't know what to tell you then, FB. I think I made it pretty clear what I was arguing about. Krazy was the one who kept trying to make it about anything but his line of thought.

Also that reasoning is terribad because the whole point is it was off the cuff because it had to be, with dunn and I mentioning pairing. Plus, when is getting someone's line of reason not at least worthwhile to pursue?

[Slaxx]

I don't know what to tell you then, FB. I think I made it pretty clear what I was arguing about. Krazy was the one who kept trying to make it about anything but his line of thought.

Also that reasoning is terribad because the whole point is it was off the cuff because it had to be, with dunn and I mentioning pairing. Plus, when is getting someone's line of reason not at least worthwhile to pursue?

I don't think line of reasoning is worthwhile to pursue when you believe it can come from someones town or scum games and has no relation to alignment.

Going into things like: theories of how to play, abstract thoughts on players (meta), and mechanical aspects of the game.
All of those can be useful for understanding how a player thinks but wouldn't really get a understanding what a player is thinking in direct relation to the game they are currently playing.

So kind of like this post isn't AI because I am telling you what is and isn't worth pursuing for alignment purposes.

I don't believe that, otherwise I wouldn't have asked the question. Clearly we aren't getting anywhere.

[Slaxx]

reads list:

The Town Eskimos - Firebringer, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39
The Town Walruses - Slaxx, Dunnstral
The Town Ants - Allomancer, Alisae, Adelbert
The People Who Joined But Didn't Get a Team Name - Clemency, PvtUrist, mcqueen, Reinhardt, Jibril, Celica
The Scum Pandas - the worst, Krazy, Pink Ball

now for the FRUSTRATION LIST:
(this goes most frustated to least)

THE ANNOYING BEES - Allomancer
FOR DEAL LOVE STOP AND READ THE GAME BEFORE POSTING - Nancy Drew 39, Reinhardt
THE LOUD TIGERS - SLAXX
EVERYONE ELSE WHO DOESNT GET A TEAM NAME
THE ADORABLE NOT ANNYING GRANDSON - ALISAE

I can't wrap my mind around how you have a scumread on Krazy but thought the last couple pages were not useful.

[Slaxx]

Where are your reads at atm fire

everyone smells like bad cheese.

wait u said read not thought.
not much has changed other general annoyance levels. I could post an annoyance level meter for players and you can take that as a reads list if you want.

I am kind of feeling a Krazy scum read coming on though but I don't know. I feel like Krazy is too agreeable and complacent here or maybe that just seems weird to me now.

But you said it was forming right here. Nothing else has happened in between those two points that I am aware of.

Can you please expand on the read?

[Slaxx]

Eh I'm not going to grill someone else tonight

Collect your thoughts ig

[Slaxx]

I mean I have some questions for Krazy right now.
When I read your ISO Krazy, I see a lot more information over analysis, do you think thats accurate?
Also, I see much less substantial statements that don't directly rely on this game for assessment (more meta than anything) is this something you do a lot more lately?

to answer for him:
IIOA isn't a scumtell
yes he does a lot of metal and gamestate reads

Why not let him answer?

[Slaxx]

Thank you for your insight.

no, you have to caps lock it when people do that

[Slaxx]

At that point I was being fairly townread.

I think her point about not pressing Dunn was actually town motivated.

The rest is meh but it didn’t feel scummy to me.

[Slaxx]

I’ll let ank answer that but there’s a reason pretty blatantly in her ISO for that turnaround

Still that feels a bit more like a Townie gotcha than a scummy gotcha

[Slaxx]

Gotta go low to go high

It’s the perfect crime

[Slaxx]

I’ll let ank answer that but there’s a reason pretty blatantly in her ISO for that turnaround

Still that feels a bit more like a Townie gotcha than a scummy gotcha

it's dead null but it's annoying as fuck

I get your frustration.

To be fair though if you skimmed over stuff he’s allowed to as well.

Not trying to be confrontational (with you anyway) just trying to go to bat for him.

[Slaxx]

Is it weird I check ages on here when forming reads?

[Slaxx]

that case strikes me more as scum trying to diminish the influence of a townslot than a bus

Same feeling, it could be a bus and its something to consider but if it is a bus or not no reason to care. I was just saying that to describe it

I got what you were saying.

I’ll have to look it over again. When I responded to it I wasn’t really thinking it came from scum.

I’m on mobile, anyone want to do me a solid and check if that was before or after me pushing Krazy?

[Slaxx]

Okay.

Let’s assume for a second that they’re scum, was it a general town discredit or a chainsaw?

Ima look in the iso

[Slaxx]

Welp that didn’t take long

There’s a lot of fencesitting and needless overexplaining on Adel

We can call it a chainsaw

[Slaxx]

Christ I’m used to micros or minis. I should not have missed that the first time.

[Slaxx]

Adel/Celicia would be an alright pair for the dance I think.

[Slaxx]

I'm leaning town on Celica, I don't think Alisae has a leg to stand on

I agree with Jib I think.

I can see if you have an Adel town read having a celica lean town read.

Does Al not having a leg to stand on mean scum or just wrong?

[Slaxx]

Is it weird I check ages on here when forming reads?

I'm not 100%, but I do believe that Alisae is too young to legally acquire the weed he's pretending to smoke. Take that as you will.

I didn't really reference Celica when looking at Adel

I'm not sure sure of my Adel read, I'd need to see more from them

You had Adel as gut town bro

[Slaxx]

Is it weird I check ages on here when forming reads?

I'm not 100%, but I do believe that Alisae is too young to legally acquire the weed he's pretending to smoke. Take that as you will.

You crack me up.

Idk, I’m not going to try to figure out if they’re actually high or not, but a 20 y/o Cali resident with weed doesn’t surprise me.

[Slaxx]

How the hell

Do I multiquote like that

[Slaxx]

Got ya.

[Slaxx]

Did that Adel read actually change for you or was it always a more ephemeral read?

[Slaxx]

Wow I might have used loaded language trying to be smart. Thought ephemeral meant kind of waivering in and out of existence but apparently it means very short. Look up before next time.

So, anyway, weaker read or changed read?

[Slaxx]

I was going to ask about the change but I’ve already been lambasted for being hypersensitive of my play so I just let it go for tonight and let it marinade.

[Slaxx]

I might just reset my reads

I think you're doing fine

If I were a gent there are a lot of ladies I'd be willing to pair with, I do agree with Jibril that the overall feeling is that the gent side seems scummier

Yup.

[Slaxx]

Dunn what was your verdict on Krazy?

[Slaxx]

I'm not sure. I can definitely see him being scum here - even if he doesn't plan his own survival, things change. Just because he says that now, doesn't mean we stick with it, and he could just be putting scum into the top 3 or wifoming, otherwise his tone is good but I'd guess he's probably pretty good at scum. I feel like he may be overrating my scum experience a bit and that's making me nervous (Or maybe they've just seen some of my particularly good scum games while spectating) - Not saying I'm not good to decent at scum to be coming in here and be like 'Best scum player on site, he can fool us all and he's won this setup before' seems kind of manipulative

Okay. Fair.

At least someone didn’t wash down their crazy pills with water from a silly straw this morning.

[Slaxx]

Seems like you’re coming down.

[Slaxx]

I’m not super strong on Cecila but they’re nullish and have bad associatives with my scumread so seems like a good pairing.

[Slaxx]

Do you understand the logic of us not partnering together? I want to but I think we eat the kill if we do.

[Slaxx]

Fundamentally we need 4 people that are absolutely locktown, because scum will kill one of our top two pairings. Then we need a pairing that will accept that the top 2 pairing truly is locktown so that one of them will reliably lynch themselves in 4-way. If we can do that we should win.

Also this setup got rid of the Innocent Child, and scum were already kind of doing OK in the dances, so I want to say this game is probably already 55% scumfavored to 45% townfavored so if it's a loss it's all G

Yeah a lot of this. Along with the fact paranoia in reads happen etc etc. Coming up with 3 lock town pairs along with the townwork it would require for it to truly work is most likely not gonna work. We'd also be basing our game on 1 day phase.

I have not played this before, but I believe that we should probably come together and decide who is the scummiest gentleman first, that gentleman will be eliminated by not having a dance partner. After that, I am going to be learning whilst doing.

So far, my only read is Slaxx as a townlean.

I've townread and scumread this post a few times. Mostly because it's a very captain obvious post and I can't tell how I wanna read it. I'm leaning on just wondering if anyone else finds it good/weird. Along with leaving it alone

scumreading me for ???reasons??? and then backing it up because I did something you'd do as scum is baffling. why did you guess Slaxx 2as my townread in the first place?

Was this post serious or a joke. I can't tell with you the worst

Ank

How are you townreading me already?

N0 cop obviously
I'm not townreading you I was just going to ask you to please keep posting so I don't deathtunnel you

Why would you deathtunnel me this early in the game? That's a bizarre statement from you with our most recent history of your earliest reads on me being wrong.

Can you give more detail on this? Links would be nice

[Slaxx]

the only time I've seen you be this lolconfident about a read was an s/s so you're heavily pinging me with this shit

How would this be s/s, though?

Are you claiming scum right now Sir Goose?

I want to call Ade town for this post. I was hardscumreading it at first and then I thought. 'Does scum Ade look at this and post it?' I leaned no because it's just so bad. Given he's an alt he probably has enough mafia experience. If he was a newbie I would sr that still, but here? Na

Oh noes firebringer stole the girl I was gonna ask to dance. That's an instant scumread.

In all seriousness though, FoS at FB and TW for pairing up so quickly. Someone isn't going to get to dance, and we have to strategize about who it should be. Now FB and TW live anyway, even if we suspect them.

1: mcqueen - Nancy Drew 39
2: Slaxx -- Ankamius
3: Pink ball -- Celica
4: Adelbert Steiner -- jibril
5: Krazy -- Dunnstral
6: Firebringer -- the worst
7: Reinhardt -- Alisae
8: PvtUrist -- Clemency

predance -- allomancer

Here we go guys I solved the game now we can spend the rest of this thread shitposting

Why do I die here?

I found the instant dance up towny not scummy. Mostly because it would obviously bring attention to both the players in question. I don't see why scum want to do that right away. It felt like an IDGAF town move.

The worst is town.
Firebringer and Adelbert are scum.
You're welcome.

What makes you say this

I propose the ladies keep their gold count a secret

No innocent child in this version of the setup? Interesting

I wonder what that was mostly for. Not really like in a mafia sense, but in a gamemaker sense that I wanna know why FG did this in the first place. However this is a post game conversation or for my partner PT that I can rant in...if people want to partner with me that is.[/quote]

[Slaxx]

{Nancy Drew, the worst}
{Celica, Krazy}
{Ankamius, Alisae}
{Slaxx, Dunnstral}
{PvtUrist, Adelbert Steiner, Clemency, Jibril}
{Firebringer, Pink Ball}
{Reinhardt}

Why is Krazy so high up?

[Slaxx]

@Nancy Re: Cecila

I don’t want anyone to misinterpret what I’m saying regarding this. I’m not saying I believe that she both scum reads and town reads Adel, as she clearly says town later. I’m saying it looks like overexplaining the read and maybe giving herself an out on it by at least mentioning he might be scum. If you look at the other reads there isn’t as much pontification as there is with Adel.

[Slaxx]

{Nancy Drew, the worst}
{Celica, Krazy}
{Ankamius, Alisae}
{Slaxx, Dunnstral}
{PvtUrist, Adelbert Steiner, Clemency, Jibril}
{Firebringer, Pink Ball}
{Reinhardt}

Why is Krazy so high up?

Because he's trying to solve the game.

Is he?

It looks like he is trying to control the list with minimal explanation and interactions with other players. Besides his one on one vs me and a few sparse interactions in the iso I don’t see someone really trying to scumhunt as I do manipulate a list to look like solving.

[Slaxx]

Cecila that’s false, I prodded Adel twice, I specifically remember poking him a bit beforehand.

[Slaxx]

I think FB is town for asking that question compulsively. I feel like Mafia checks first here just in case they feel like not knowing would AI them somehow.

I got townread before as scum because of posts like this mr duckie. U ain't going to pocket me this way.

Ohhh shit. This was from Slaxx.

My mind just played tricks on me

I was seriously wondering why you called ME duckie but I thought maybe you called everyone duckie *shrug*

I am sorry, I swear I am not on any drugs at the moment.

tbh wouldn't care if you were

@Adel

: Any reads or input on strategy?

[Slaxx]

My bad it was once. I must not have posted what I was going to post, there was a point where I was going to prod him more but waited then forgot.

Still though.

[Slaxx]

The list made sense though! even though he didn't explain it, I could kinda see the logic behind it and why it would be good. I don't always explain my reads, that doesn't mean I'm not trying to solve the game.

It didn’t make sense at all. He had someone who hadn’t posted at the top, and although I get why he did that from the LIST perspective, it makes little sense from a scumhunting perspective. Like, everyone who posted is more scummy than the guy who hasn’t done anything? I mean do you know what any of his actual stances are on most of the stuff that’s happened? How often in his ISO has he actually engaged with players to determine alignment? Most of it has been retroactively rearranging the list based on what other people have been pushing. It’s a great way to keep your hands clean.

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These scumreads on me have come out of left field and I don't really know how I feel about it? Pinkball I don't really care about because he's not playing the game and isn't making end game. Most likely the first pair to die thankfully.
Alisae could be town and it's what I lean right now.
Ank is scum for reasons I just stated.
Huh that was easier now that I took a moment to think it over.
Pedit: I don't remember you doing so if you did.

I literally quoted it

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Went back to five lines. If this were seven lines the moderate-town and far-scum lines would each only have one person, so no point in having that many lines.
{Nancy Drew, the worst}
{Ankamius, Celica, Krazy, Alisae}
{Slaxx, Dunnstral, Pink Ball}
{PvtUrist, Adelbert Steiner, Jibril}
{Clemency, Firebringer, Reinhardt}

Nothing else to say about the stuff I said about Krazy?

[Slaxx]

@Ali
My krazy townread comes from I've seen the kinda mech playstyle that Krazy has before, but it doesn't strike me as manipulative. He's also throwing in questions to help solve the game to me.

Which questions?

[Slaxx]

The list made sense though! even though he didn't explain it, I could kinda see the logic behind it and why it would be good. I don't always explain my reads, that doesn't mean I'm not trying to solve the game.

It didn’t make sense at all. He had someone who hadn’t posted at the top, and although I get why he did that from the LIST perspective, it makes little sense from a scumhunting perspective. Like, everyone who posted is more scummy than the guy who hasn’t done anything? I mean do you know what any of his actual stances are on most of the stuff that’s happened? How often in his ISO has he actually engaged with players to determine alignment? Most of it has been retroactively rearranging the list based on what other people have been pushing. It’s a great way to keep your hands clean.

He made it pretty clear that it depended on what mcqueen said when he showed up. Actually, it kinda makes sense. Nancy Drew is a powerful obvtown player, so you want to match her with someone who isn't all that towning to make it a less attractive kill. The way he set it up, me and Ank would draw the kill, which i think is probably ok because i feel nancy is more beneficial to town then both of us combined.

Yeah you missed my point. His only pushes have been shady. One on me for scumreading him and then host little tinfoily hat thing with the way PVT organized the list. He’s had a few townreads, and his summary in the list post wasn’t bad, but my point still stands he is really only talking to people within the mechanics of the game or player meta, any of the few actual proactive pushes he’s made have been scummy as hell.

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Like who cares how much sense the list makes (it still doesn’t from a scumhunting perspective within the game- only from a player meta perspective) if any actual within-game content and traditional scumhunting from him is scummy? You’ve been successfully dooped to keep talking about the list and not his actual contributions, interactions, and pushes. He’s trying to solve the mechanics not alignments, and that’s a great excuse to let others make bad pushes.

[Slaxx]

@Slaxx am I town yet?

I’m not scumreading you.

[Slaxx]

Like six days from now McQ

[Slaxx]

It’s fine, like a third of the playerlist has you as someone to keep around because you’re easy to read so you might get lucky.

Really if you can’t keep up I’d recommend replacing but with 50 pages already idk how I feel about that. The pace will slow down eventually I’d think:

[Slaxx]

Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?

Regardless if this is true, I’m hard townreading Ank now.

I might be projecting my own play into the read here, but I find this post extremely hard to manufacture as scum.

[Slaxx]

Anks post is the type of macro-level gamesolving people think Krazy is doing.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Slaxx

Yeah that’s about right.

What’s on the menu today? Deflection, OMGUS, or maybe nitpicking the order of the names in a readslist?

[Slaxx]

Replaces out due to frustration, continues to post

Totally not theater.

[Slaxx]

I have questions but if it’s gonna be viewed as piling on I just won’t. It’s up to you Krazy.

[Slaxx]

Replaces out due to frustration, continues to post

Totally not theater.

I mean I think he's more likely town because of the replace out, as sucky as that is

Enough mechanics talk, you should pair with me slaxx, I'm townreading Ank and think it's more important to get her a reasonable post intermission pair than to worry about the 8 coins

I think replace outs due to frustration are usually town but I'm not really sold on the reason he replaced out, but it doesn't matter now. If the new slot bleeds town, good. I'll deal with the consequences of that.

I think 50 pages is enough and I'm up for YOLOing.

Dunn, dance with me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhtoDhlffsE

[Slaxx]

oh my fucking god we are up to 60

[Slaxx]

Watch out for that one Dunn

Can we at least have our honeymoon phase?

[Slaxx]

@Slaxx am I town yet

Bro.

It’s been a day and you asked that five posts ago. I’m not for sure where I have you. You’re in the churning nulls.If you’re town I’m sure you’ll do a thing like you’ve done in that past where it clicks for me, but I’m not there.

[Slaxx]

{Slaxx}
{Allomancer, Dunnstral, Celica}
{Nancy Drew 39, mcqueen}
{Firebringer, Teh Wus, Pink Ball, Alisae, Reinhardt, Clemency, Jibril}
{}
{Adelbret Stenier, Krasy}
{Ankamius}

These are the current reads. Didn't want to push my scum reads before voting was introduced into the game, but I suppose it'd be better to go through them now.

Putting me in my own group feels a little pockety, what separates me from Allo/Dunn?

Also why the town read on Cec?

Adel/Krazy I get and Ank covered herself.

[Slaxx]

Mcqueen and Krazy slots look good now. Pink Clem tt pair maybe. That's all for now.

Would you be interested in trying to read some ISOs atm?

Why? I only care about Reinhardt and Adelbert, because my date is probably between them. And I don't think my opinion changes until they post.

because I want to see you do some gamesolving?

Later. This pre-dance is dull, and if I date a Werebeast I'm killing him anyway.

Why gamesolve later and not now?

Lots of roleplaying to do

[Slaxx]

Town, but he's with a Werebeast so they have to go.

Wait. Why do you scumread me?

[Slaxx]

Made it to 1800, really not liking celica anymore

Why’s that?

[Slaxx]

Okay I think PB is town now.

[Slaxx]

People said McQ is an easy read... not seeing it.

[Slaxx]

Nancy/Ank/Allo
Dunn*/PB*/ TW
Alisae/Clem/Jib/PvT/McQ
Krazy/Cecila/FB/Rein
Adel

Sucks that my biggest read flaked.

Krazy moved up, replace outs due to frustration always ding scumreads I have.

I stopped worrying with Cecila because it didn’t seem that she was interested in changing her mind. As someone who tunnels that’s fine, but her lack of any follow up interaction with me COMBINED with a feeing of stubbornness is what is a red flag. If I’ve missed some questions from her let me know, but that’s a fairly reliable tell I’ve used in the past. I know someone told her in the thread to not interact with scumreads, can’t think of who that was and on mobile, but I need to go back and check.

Rein could go either way, what little I saw was very odd-point for a town catchup as Ank said.

FB’s dismissal of my Krazy 1v1 really pinged me, it looked way more like someone just trying to be an arbiter for being an arbiter’s sake. I also didn’t like the shift in the read without explanation while calling the only discussion that happened between the read change useless, and unless I’m missing something I never got a follow up on that.

If Dunn was scum and wanted to partner with me, he would not have backed off his Krazy read. If he was scum with Krazy, I don’t think Krazy would have wanted to be paired with Dunn AND got feisty when I wanted to pair with him. Easy scum distancing would be to want to pair with your partner, wait for someone to intervene, then come back and say “we can’t both be scum because why would we fight to pair with each other and put all the eggs in one basket”. Ergo, Dunn is probably town.

I don’t think PB-scum makes #1900. I also don’t think he badgers me about reading him when he’s seen how aggressive I can be.

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The asterisks were just new town reads.

TW went lower not because of anything they did but just because I have stronger reads now.

[Slaxx]

Your overall tone has been townish but I don’t like 1904 in conjunction with 1909.

[Slaxx]

Her read on me and discussion with other players on why probably easily makes up half her iso and the fact you say you’re pretty sure she’s town without reading that or letting her answer first looks fabricated.

[Slaxx]

I still kinda feel like mcqueen is still coming at this game with the same rough mindset that I initially saw from him

Which if I recall was scummy, yea?

I’m going back and forth.

[Slaxx]

I actually might be more confident on FB than Adel but it might just be because the slot flaked.

[Slaxx]

Having trouble getting an actual tunnel-target now that Krazy is gone.

[Slaxx]

Also to throw your own words back at you. It doesn't really matter if you agree or disagree on what you think is enough to get a read on you. It's my own read and it's how I came to my answer. However you're clearly not reading my posts so this conversation is a bit blah.

I think you're town at the moment, but Dunn's right. You may have your own reads, but if you want anyone else to agree with you on those reads, you're going to have to do a better job at explaining said reads.

Yeah, here for the first time as far as I can tell.

That doesn’t make my point invalid, it bolsters it if anything. You didn’t even give a reason?

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Name 1 time you’ve seen scum get that heated?

Dude.

I’ve played a game with you where I was caps locking and scum. I was under Lolwagons. It wasn’t a one on one but it got heated.

[Slaxx]

Lovers.

The same game I referenced with Krazy earlier. Lmao.

[Slaxx]

Although you didn’t post a lot so it’s feasible you weren’t reading it.

But it definitely happens

[Slaxx]

Okay. Still having a hard time believing you think getting into heated one on ones is a towntell but I can’t use that game as an example.

[Slaxx]

I do because if you look at my older games, a lot of them I got heated and I was mostly town

And you think everyone plays the same way you do?

[Slaxx]

Also regardless of whether you read it or not I’ve provided an example of scum getting heated. Does that do nothing for your opinion?

[Slaxx]

People said McQ is an easy read... not seeing it.

I don’t know why anyone would think that but he does seem to be really townie here.

I’d like him to be.

Explain?

[Slaxx]

You know any smart person would say no, so why ask? Of course I don’t, but I found the exchange between Celica/PB to be on the more towntell side of things.

Pedit: i skimmed your iso. No offense, and i have no idea who celica is, but you’re a stronger player. You got mad but not “damaged” per se. i felt like Celica was genuinely hurt, and that’s town.

Alright. I don’t know if I buy the genuine hurt bit but I think you believe it and that’s good enough.

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Also I asked because I never bank on anyone being smart 100% of the time.

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@Mod

Can you fix my name in the dance pairs?

Idk if that’s petty or not but it’s weird seeing it like that lol