Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Near x Mello

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Considering I am town, there isn't any and there can't be any, so you are bluffing.

This feels like self conscious scum after saying "Where?"

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VOTE: Joan of Arc

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I like the fact A50 claiming he's not speaking in channels actually I think scum will just lurk and not claim so

Now wait a minute

Somebody said something about claiming channels to weed out scum who weren't posting anything in their channels

What's stopping a50 from being scum who, seeing that, came up with something so that he doesn't look bad for initially hiding?

[Dunnstral]

I like the fact A50 claiming he's not speaking in channels actually I think scum will just lurk and not claim so

Now wait a minute

Somebody said something about claiming channels to weed out scum who weren't posting anything in their channels

What's stopping a50 from being scum who, seeing that, came up with something so that he doesn't look bad for initially hiding?

There goes the town points I gave you for the reasoning behind your vote on JoA :facepalm:

Why? Am I wrong?

[Dunnstral]

Hello all! Let’s mess the scum up shall we?

This game is remarkably shorter thanI would’ve expected lol

Scummy

[Dunnstral]

Is that some subtle shade I'm detecting

[Dunnstral]

Scummy punctuation

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Bring something to clean up after yourself too, you're spewing all over the game thread

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Emperor's new groove is not an anime

[Dunnstral]

this game is gonna be a mess and i will do nothing

We know

[Dunnstral]

youve been in enough games with me to know i'm reasonably competent

I've been in enough games with you to know you aren't

[Dunnstral]

Discuss.

I disagree

[Dunnstral]

And I'd tell you guys who she is but I don't not have no idea whose alt that is, so it doesn't matter

[Dunnstral]

you don't not have an idea or you do

~Near

yeah

[Dunnstral]

Real talk I don't know

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^You're looking scummy

Can you explain your vote on Near x Mello, why bring in the policy?

[Dunnstral]

I think I've made myself clear

[Dunnstral]

looks free speaking and genuine, and is consistent with his town game

What a lame answer

[Dunnstral]

Thu Oct 12, 2017

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Alisae the answer is that I've pushed Creature for this meta and was wrong and learned that his meta actually has changed

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler:

25.8 posts per day - 722 posts/28 days - NY 213 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76567

12.9 posts per day - 220 posts/17 days - Open 739: Epic Duel - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77435

12 posts per day - 180 posts/15 days - Open 736: Diffusion of Power - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77349

8.46 posts per day - 203 posts/24 days - Mini Normal 2024 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76996

8.36 posts per day - 326 posts/39 days - Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77310

7.72 posts per day - 247 posts/32 days - micro 816-II: pokemon go - viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76964

6.1 posts per day - 122 posts/20 days - Mini Normal 2033: Dolphins - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77289

5.5 posts per day - 155 posts/28 days - Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=77242

4.88 posts per day - 161 posts/33days - Open 737: Stack the Deck - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=77146

4 posts per day - 36 posts/9 days - THIS GAME (with no night phases and posts from another game included)
3.3 posts per day - 53 posts/16 days - THIS GAME, extrapolated to after night 1 with a full day phase, with posts from another game removed

3.29 posts per day - 214 posts/65 days - Mini Normal 2030 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77190

2.25 posts per day - 99 posts/44 days viewtopic.php?f=52&t=70810

2.19 posts per day - 68 posts/31 days - Mini Normal 1925 - viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72508

But I haven't factored out night phases. Some games, like the 4.88 posts per day town game, had a night phase that lasted ~4 days that skewered the stats. Additionally, this game hasn't had any night phases, which further skewers the stats in relation to this game so his post count appears higher than what it would be. Furthermore, Creature made posts that were intended for another game topic in this thread, further inflating his own postcount in a matter I'd deem unfair to consider in this game.

But you know what? we can extrapolate the results - we subtract 2 posts from his postcount (34/9), then multiply his post count and days by 1.55, bringing us to 53 posts/14 days, almost perfectly. Then, we add 2 more days to simulate the night phase - 53 posts/16 days, and now we have a fair extrapolation of his contributions - I've added the results above.

Even then, his posts per day is still likely too high than it would be if he weren't replaced and kept playing the game - he really worked on inflating his post count early on in this game.

As a bonus, I'll show off how very real Creature activity meta is, and how it's handled in other games:



Now obviously this was
A) from almost 2 years ago
B) made for micro games, while this is a large game

So I'm not going to try to interperet stats and compare to these charts, but this proves that creature meta was - AND STILL IS - a very big deal in reading him.

But wait, it gets better, let's look at Creature's self-made wiki page to see what he thinks about this:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Creature


Now let's stop ignoring the MATHMATICALLY LIKELY scumslot - the slot that is very high probability statistical scum - Don't act like you guys can read RUby Red when you don't even know whose alt it is, just go for blatant scummeta Creature who happens to be the same slot

VOTE: Ruby Red

[Dunnstral]

Wow, this game is not very interesting for me for some reason

[Dunnstral]

>Calls out vanity voters.
>Makes a vanity vote.
Seems legit.

Here I'll help

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Dunnstral]

Toogs movement makes me feel better about my reads. Will be back once again later

Can you explain?

[Dunnstral]

Toogs movement makes me feel better about my reads. Will be back once again later

Can you explain?

Him talking about how all the 'top wagons suck.' When I was scumreading 2 out of 3 of the top wagons made me feel better about my reads.

But why is he scum?

[Dunnstral]

Toog claiming that role means that he's probably town, it also means he's probably going to die

[Dunnstral]

STOP COPYING ME TORQUE!
Best OP of the season and this is what I was listening to when you posted that (same artist).


-Yuuri

P.S. We still want to lynch Vedith.

To virtuarize a rie

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Joan of Arc

[Dunnstral]

Scum don't have a reason to fake claim flavor

[Dunnstral]

With that said, I don't understand why he would make his flavor up

Too much messing around if town

[Dunnstral]

I went back to look at an old anime u-pick: Mafia did not have day talk when it wasn't said in the main thread, so RP is probably right

[Dunnstral]

Vedith role seems town

Agreed.

I have reason to doubt Vedith’s claim. It’s possible, but if he’s being honest, be scared of what kind of setup needs my role /and/ that role.

As for Cerb’s questions... that’s NAI. There’s no world where Cerb doesn’t ask those questions, regardless of alignment.


Given that I’m counterclaiming a ramping doctor role, you all should definitely look at the shit wagon that tried to go on me 24 hours ago after I’m dead.

I would prefer Martina but that’s not gonna till I don’t think so...

VOTE: Vedith

Probably the reason Drixx died

[Dunnstral]

so we've got an effective lynch pool of pretty much six players.

Correction: You've got an effective lynch pool of six players, the rest of us will do whatever we want

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Robert2424

[Dunnstral]

And also admit that you would rather lose the game than lose your stupid pride.

Bring out a real argument please

I just don't like her reads, aside from Robert and Morality being low

[Dunnstral]

Chito: VOTE: elena

I'm okay starting here for now; would also like to hear Dunnstral's read on this slot and what he think of Near's argument

She could be scum looking at her play though I'm not especially scumreading her and wouldn't think to go there

What argument am I looking at?

[Dunnstral]

Robert votes anyone?

I'm not scumreading the Yuki Yuno Hydra

[Dunnstral]

You wanted to see if he'd shade you for acting scummy on purpose?

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can we stop talking about the channels now, scum flipped a role that literally gets extra powers based on flavour

My role gets extra powers based on flavor as well - I'm town

[Dunnstral]

and -in this game- you're TOWN.

Why?

[Dunnstral]

a) he softly claimed scum

It's not like scum don't know each other, they just can't talk

[Dunnstral]

Mastina is just lining up my death regardless. If I don't die tonight, I'm going to be death tunneled all day tomorrow by her.

You lined that up for yourself for claiming that role, if you life to day 3 there's always going to be that wifom of "scum didn't target him with an ability"

Best to just realize your death was assured when you claimed that - why did you claim it by the way

[Dunnstral]

I'm loud too

[Dunnstral]

I'm not really interested in voting any of Mastina/Near x Mello/Reasonably Psychotic/Elena

I think Robert is the lynch

[Dunnstral]

They're town too

[Dunnstral]

In any case let's move on and stop tripping over our own feet and vote Robert

[Dunnstral]

What's wrong with the Robert push, Morality?

[Dunnstral]

Vote Near x Mello

Still Policy voting here, new game same crap.

Idk, I can't really trust Mastina. Especially after the game she replaced in.

^You're looking scummy

Can you explain your vote on Near x Mello, why bring in the policy?

Certainly. I've never been a fan of Naked voting. I'm not going to pretend or try to read peoples minds here, or any other game. Its lazy and scummy in my opinion. Some people do like to do naked voting. But for me, its always going to be scummy, especially after a game I just had. So every game, I'm going to vote for people who do that, and highly question them. I play on other sites and that shit don't fly, I don't see why it should fly here.

I'm in one out of game Channel. Channel 5. It's kind of quiet, only 11 non-mod posts.

Members include:
Super Smash Bros Fan
Chito and Yuuri
Robert2424
Near X Mello
Kokichi Oma
Toogeloo

Might have more members, but if there are they haven't posted.

The posts there are mostly fluff, and not sure if anyone in there is actually interested in figuring out our connection. Anyone else's channels somewhat active?

Robert was asking questions about the channels in Channel 5, trying to figure out how many and how they work. Then posted here about reading up on game specific rules. Could be feigning obliviousness, but that means at least slightly more town than scum considering they could have obtained the info from scum chat and worked through it there.

Also...

I didn't get my first choice, but only because. I was the one who slightly delayed the game because my first choice was from Gantz: 0, which I saw on Netflix, but mod told me that it is a sequel and the original Gantz was in 2004.

Did get my second choice though.

Also...

You'll want to test my Priest role before Night 3, and then force me to test again after Night 3 to see if I changed roles or not.

I was Genuen on not knowing, the Mod has PMed me about them and explained them to me. I'm glad to experience new things, but I don't see why I need to be questioned for asking questions on something I've never experienced before. For the Record, I'm part of channel 3 and 5.

Gamma is posting in channel 3, Asking for a friend, and Alisae. Alisae is insistent on being careful on explaining Flavor, (Roles apparently), and gamma has supported it, so the chat has kind of died.

Hmm, hydra stuff. Might make it hard to read the slot.

Damn, deadline is faster approaching then I though, thankfully I thought to check here first. I was expecting 5+ more pages to read through missing a day, but people are replacing out once they get a bit of pressure....

While I still suspect Near x Mello, I'm slightly more uncomfortable with the Pink Ball/asking for friend slot. Perhaps Pink Ball will provide something better then asking did.

Vote: Pink Ball

at least for now.

Editing vote tag, just in case the vote counter overlooks it.

Idk, I havn't seen much of a change with Pink ball or Near. I'd actually put Mastina as an actual town read, she's been completely different then the game I played with her when she was scum. Maybe its so many people causing issues for me, But I have half the reads I'd like. Vedith is odd, but don't have strong feelings either ways. However, a flip would help with reads there... A50 seems crazy still. Toogeloo post seem odd to me as well.

I Feel players can easily fly under the radar and post every once and awhile. As there so many people, its easy to just blend into the crowd I think.

This is a scum iso through and through - scum filler, scum response to vedith wagon, and hypocrisy about naked voting that comes from scum, plus the willingness to come out and overexplain in regards to his neighborhood is something scum are inclined to do

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Ah yes, here come people defending him solely because he's lurking

[Dunnstral]

We should have lynched Robert 20 pages ago

Stop making excuses as to why he shouldn't be lynched

[Dunnstral]

FL is scum how?

[Dunnstral]

Hey guys, that's nice and all but I think I'm going to vote Robert today

[Dunnstral]

We're not voting Elena, I'd sooner vote you

[Dunnstral]

Hey guys, that's nice and all but I think I'm going to vote Robert today

who are robert's buddies

~Near

you never give scum a night, joan.

~Near

[Dunnstral]

I don't see it

[Dunnstral]

I'll bite, why am I scum A50?

[Dunnstral]

And since I've killed twice as much scum as you during the course of a single game, as town vig, then by your logic, that makes me twice as good of a player than you.

nobody cares

[Dunnstral]

idc, you don't do anything anyway

[Dunnstral]

You're like a bland three week old piece of toast that doesn't do anything, good roleplay

[Dunnstral]

I don't think FL is scum though

[Dunnstral]

I haven't voted Morality/Flavor Leaf at all this game

How is that 'voting patterns'

[Dunnstral]

I'll bite, why am I scum A50?

I don't like your voting patterns. Let me give you an example: You think BOTH FL & ooba are scum?

And even if this were true (and it's not) - why are you not going after say Near x Mello with this reasoning

[Dunnstral]

I want to know why you thought I was scumreading FL

[Dunnstral]

I want to know why you thought I was scumreading FL

I dunno. Probably mistook a post from someone else as being made by you. I went back to ISO you and I don't see why I had that down as a remark next to your name.

Or you saw it in my neighborhood, where I did have suspicion on Morality at one point

So does this mean you're hiding in that neighborhood, or are your scum buddies feeding you info? Can you make a post if you're in my neighborhood?

[Dunnstral]

I want to know why you thought I was scumreading FL

I dunno. Probably mistook a post from someone else as being made by you. I went back to ISO you and I don't see why I had that down as a remark next to your name.

Or you saw it in my neighborhood, where I did have suspicion on Morality at one point

So does this mean you're hiding in that neighborhood, or are your scum buddies feeding you info? Can you make a post if you're in my neighborhood?

Whether or not I am in that neighborhood is irrelevant. I did explicitly warn against the possibility of me being able to read ALL Channels, so anyone who said anything they shouldn't have will only have themselves to blame. And yes, that explains the remark then. Thank you.

It's not irrelevant, if you're not in my neighborhood my assumption is then that you're scum and that someone in the neighborhood is feeding you info. You said you needed to reveal in one of your neighborhoods on day 3, why not do it now?

[Dunnstral]

And yes, that explains the remark then. Thank you.

Are you able to tell me what I just said in my hood?

[Dunnstral]

So Clemency just took a jab at me while he was replacing out for some reason?

[Dunnstral]

Drixx kind of counterclaimed "ramping doctor" which is likely enough to get him nightkilled for

[Dunnstral]

I townread FL

[Dunnstral]

As someone who has played with scum mort. The action he's doing can easily be from town or scum him. It's the way that he reacted that you should be reading into. Mort is confident in his skills period.

Who the fuck is Mort

-ality

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Almost50 either can see into all neighborhoods, is hiding in my neighborhood but won't reveal, or had his scum mates in my hood relay my thoughts to him

[Dunnstral]

Almost50 either can see into all neighborhoods, is hiding in my neighborhood but won't reveal, or had his scum mates in my hood relay my thoughts to him

Let's start with #3. Now that you know/suspect there's scum in there you need to decide whom it is. THAT is a good starting point.

First step is to lynch you

[Dunnstral]

nope

[Dunnstral]

I said that in reaction but I don't want FL lynched either

[Dunnstral]

Stop posting so much

Just vote

[Dunnstral]

Almost50 either can see into all neighborhoods, is hiding in my neighborhood but won't reveal, or had his scum mates in my hood relay my thoughts to him

Let's start with #3. Now that you know/suspect there's scum in there you need to decide whom it is. THAT is a good starting point.

First step is to lynch you

Now THAT is what drives me nuts about you. You wanna lynch me? DO IT! NOW ANSWER MY BLOODY QUESTION! WHO IS BLOODY SCUM IN YOUR CHANNEL?

I can't assume scum in the channel until I see if you flip scum

It's nonsensical to aim at other people in my channel over you in this situation

Tell me what the last thing I said in my channel is

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There's seriously no reason to be posting so much

I can't be bothered to read everything

A50 is probably lying about being able to see into my pt, but I also don't think scum have daytalk, so he could just be lying straight up to cover himself making stuff up earlier

Which goes back to the original point of "why did he scumread me"

Man I'd like to see into these 'notes' of his

Anyway, lynch ooba

[Dunnstral]

Alignments don't change with replace-ins by the way

If that makes you unvote you didn't have a good reason to vote to begin with

[Dunnstral]

no

[Dunnstral]

Keep the ooba votes coming please, I want this day to end

[Dunnstral]

Alisae the answer is that I've pushed Creature for this meta and was wrong and learned that his meta actually has changed

[Dunnstral]

How hasn't he posted enough when his hydra has 200 posts?

[Dunnstral]

ok

I too believe most common scumreads are wrong, except for ooga

VOTE: Spike and Jet

Toog claimed that he dies if anyone targets him night 2, he's probably town (and will likely be dead)

Drixx counter claimed ramping doctor

[Dunnstral]

Vedith role seems town

Agreed.

I have reason to doubt Vedith’s claim. It’s possible, but if he’s being honest, be scared of what kind of setup needs my role /and/ that role.

As for Cerb’s questions... that’s NAI. There’s no world where Cerb doesn’t ask those questions, regardless of alignment.


Given that I’m counterclaiming a ramping doctor role, you all should definitely look at the shit wagon that tried to go on me 24 hours ago after I’m dead.

I would prefer Martina but that’s not gonna till I don’t think so...

VOTE: Vedith

[Dunnstral]

Actually, that'd be N3

I meant more in the sense that N2 is a bit of a drastic night.

For example, on Night 2 for me, if anyone targets me for any reason, I die. But only on Night 2.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: spike

upon rereading i think rc is prolly right and i just wanted fl to be scum

with that in mind its prolly spike/elena/rp

~Near

Elena probably isn't scum

[Dunnstral]

A50 might be scum and I've went over why

[Dunnstral]

I'll wait until tomorrow when people are willing to look at him

[Dunnstral]

Severa was likely getting lynched today,

No he wasn't

[Dunnstral]

+almost nobody who I can think of who actually has been stating much of a townread on me.

Wrong

almost nobody actually concluded that Toog was probtown

Wrong

Shape up

[Dunnstral]

you misunderstand. People arent stupid, they just do stupid stuff because they think they're smart and theyve solved everything

Their actions are stupid, not themselves

~Near

This is not at all a convincing argument.

VOTE: Near x Mello

It's also not a reason to place a vote

[Dunnstral]

sn focusing on Toog is moot, i agree

~Near

I am not focusing on Toog. I’m focusing on the circumstances surrounding his death.

You're wasting your time

Or you're focusing on something mechanical that doesn't actually matter (yes, there are town who wanted him dead)

[Dunnstral]

It *IS* a pretty grievous failing on the part of everyone, including myself, to not conclude that Toog made more sense as town than scum because their action guaranteed their lynch on D3 if scum.

I said this word for word

Stop posting

[Dunnstral]

If you come up with actual evidence and feel like actually talking to me rather than doing a hit and run like this, do let me know.

Other people are towny and contribute meaningfully and you are/do neither

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: SuperflouusNinja

Let's do what we should have done 2 weeks ago

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler:

[Dunnstral]

I'm rude and you're scum, which one of us deserves to be lynched?

Spoiler:

[Dunnstral]

Do you guys want to wait for a 4th person to sub into the slot and start talking, or can we lynch this now?

[Dunnstral]

By attacking her character like this you're being more toxic than what you're accusing her of

[Dunnstral]

I don't think conversing about your personal issues anymore is productive, So I won't engage with it (Bonus: People won't get mad at me for being rude, which I would be). I'm voting you for game related reasons and I intend to see your slot dead today, whether you're in it or not.

When a slot replaces out multiple times, that's scum indicative. There's nothing you can do to argue against this if you're town, you'd just be unlucky.
Your focus points look like scum to me, you start talking about people targeting toog (something easy for scum to talk about, and there was town that wanted toog dead that would be targeting him). You jump on Near X Mello without a real reason, it looks like you were told to try to get a wagon going on N x M or RP during the night, the reasons for your votes during the day are... nonreasons, actually.

[Dunnstral]

Plus of course Robert's posting in the slot

Spoiler:

Vote Near x Mello

Still Policy voting here, new game same crap.

Idk, I can't really trust Mastina. Especially after the game she replaced in.

^You're looking scummy

Can you explain your vote on Near x Mello, why bring in the policy?

Certainly. I've never been a fan of Naked voting. I'm not going to pretend or try to read peoples minds here, or any other game. Its lazy and scummy in my opinion. Some people do like to do naked voting. But for me, its always going to be scummy, especially after a game I just had. So every game, I'm going to vote for people who do that, and highly question them. I play on other sites and that shit don't fly, I don't see why it should fly here.

I'm in one out of game Channel. Channel 5. It's kind of quiet, only 11 non-mod posts.

Members include:
Super Smash Bros Fan
Chito and Yuuri
Robert2424
Near X Mello
Kokichi Oma
Toogeloo

Might have more members, but if there are they haven't posted.

The posts there are mostly fluff, and not sure if anyone in there is actually interested in figuring out our connection. Anyone else's channels somewhat active?

Robert was asking questions about the channels in Channel 5, trying to figure out how many and how they work. Then posted here about reading up on game specific rules. Could be feigning obliviousness, but that means at least slightly more town than scum considering they could have obtained the info from scum chat and worked through it there.

Also...

I didn't get my first choice, but only because. I was the one who slightly delayed the game because my first choice was from Gantz: 0, which I saw on Netflix, but mod told me that it is a sequel and the original Gantz was in 2004.

Did get my second choice though.

Also...

You'll want to test my Priest role before Night 3, and then force me to test again after Night 3 to see if I changed roles or not.

I was Genuen on not knowing, the Mod has PMed me about them and explained them to me. I'm glad to experience new things, but I don't see why I need to be questioned for asking questions on something I've never experienced before. For the Record, I'm part of channel 3 and 5.

Gamma is posting in channel 3, Asking for a friend, and Alisae. Alisae is insistent on being careful on explaining Flavor, (Roles apparently), and gamma has supported it, so the chat has kind of died.

Hmm, hydra stuff. Might make it hard to read the slot.

Damn, deadline is faster approaching then I though, thankfully I thought to check here first. I was expecting 5+ more pages to read through missing a day, but people are replacing out once they get a bit of pressure....

While I still suspect Near x Mello, I'm slightly more uncomfortable with the Pink Ball/asking for friend slot. Perhaps Pink Ball will provide something better then asking did.

Vote: Pink Ball

at least for now.

Editing vote tag, just in case the vote counter overlooks it.

Idk, I havn't seen much of a change with Pink ball or Near. I'd actually put Mastina as an actual town read, she's been completely different then the game I played with her when she was scum. Maybe its so many people causing issues for me, But I have half the reads I'd like. Vedith is odd, but don't have strong feelings either ways. However, a flip would help with reads there... A50 seems crazy still. Toogeloo post seem odd to me as well.

I Feel players can easily fly under the radar and post every once and awhile. As there so many people, its easy to just blend into the crowd I think.

This is a scum iso through and through - scum filler, scum response to vedith wagon, and hypocrisy about naked voting that comes from scum, plus the willingness to come out and overexplain in regards to his neighborhood is something scum are inclined to do

And the large resistance to a wagon on your slot yesterday while spike x Jet shot up and was lynched quickly further points to your slot being scum, and the "he's lurking so we can't lynch him" defense that's been thrown around lowkey for a while now, followed up by "he's posting now, so don't lynch him". It's disgusting

[Dunnstral]

You'll note that a good deal of that is stuff you can't influence. You couldn't have influenced ooba/robert replacing out, nor Robert's posts, nor how other people treated your slot before you replaced in. Unfortunately for you, all that stuff still points towards you being scum, and if people even vaguely want to win the game they can't discard all that information that points to you being scum - you're the lynch.

Your own posting is slightly scummy, not worth lynching on its own. But when you've got the past evidence piled up against you, and you're coming into today as the defacto popular wagon choice to a lot of people, "slightly scummy" doesn't cut it for getting people off of you. A lot of people here also care about not losing "strong town players" - I don't subscribe to that school of thought, but for people who do you're certainly not someone they'd be worried about losing.

I could include something about using buzzwords here but whatever.

So to sum it up:

Your slot was scummy and needed to be lynched before you replaced in
Your replace-in content isn't strong enough to change the above, and indeed slightly contributes towards it

[Dunnstral]

He claimed targeting 7 minutes before Tatsuya made the new day post

[Dunnstral]

He never claimed his role or indicated that he'd die if Severa died

[Dunnstral]

Anyone voting gamma today should reapply for the newbie queue

nxm you've made some disgusting posts like:

mastina youve been wrong on both toog and fl. Is it time to apply bop yet?

~Near

RP you've made multiple bad posts

Both of you have interactions with SN that indicate you could be a partner

Also, A50 is more likely to be scum than either of Mastina/Elena individually, and isn't more likely to be correct on his reads than average if he's town anyway

[Dunnstral]

my conclusions have, as always, been accurate.

Severa was likely getting lynched today,

No he wasn't

+almost nobody who I can think of who actually has been stating much of a townread on me.

Wrong

almost nobody actually concluded that Toog was probtown

Wrong

Shape up

It *IS* a pretty grievous failing on the part of everyone, including myself, to not conclude that Toog made more sense as town than scum because their action guaranteed their lynch on D3 if scum.

I said this word for word

Stop posting

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Not sure what you guys are talking about in regards to rp

They said they've been right but the data was wrong - no, they've j ust been incorrect

I'm not confident in a50 being town and would look to lynch there in the near near future

a 19 player game is in between 4 and 5 scum

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Remember how near x mello kept asking "who are robert's buddies" to dissuade a wagon there

Now that they've flipped scum it turns out their answer is "The same people I was pushing before the flip anyway"

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Something to note(and possibly a note for the mod on why giving reasons for mod kills if the action occurred outside of the game thread): We can fairly confidently conclude that the scum team does not have an encryptor/day talk in any way, unless we assume that SN was trying to talk to someone who is NOT a member of the scum team OR they were trying to talk to a previous holder of their slot.

Don't agree with this method (as in I don't think it's reliably true)

I do think scum does not have day talk in this game though, but I'd point to mod meta for this mod and how a previous game of this type didn't have day talk

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Yeah I meant from a townies perspective

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Severa was going to be lynched by who?

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and that I was certainly the best counterwagon option for scum!SN...

I know

That doesn't mean you can't still be scum

It's not even a stretch, because the same theory that SN came into the thread with information and a plan on what to do applies either way, what you do have going for you is that he mentioned replacing out (he didn't bold it though, so who knows if that was real) which indicates he wasn't getting his way

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i dont get it but whatever

VOTE: vedith

~Near

VOTE: Vedith

All caught up. Not even sure how I feel about this, but letting him off the hook will always come back to haunt us later on regardless of his true alignment.

L-1

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For comparison, here's what a towny vote looks like:

VOTE: Vedith

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Thanks for the insight into your reads Pink Ball, give me a few minutes and I'll let you guys know who we're actually lynching today

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Looking over Elena again, meh, she could be scum, I still wouldn't be excited about voting her this day phase over other options (translation: We're not lynching her today, but you guys can look at her later) - she voted robert and didn't seem on board with lynching Severa today if he lived, though the creature vote was kind of gross (I'm not sure how lynching creature made our win % go up?)

Pretty sure Mastina is town

And then I think there's enough pointing to town RP that I don't want to lynch them either

Let me talk about my reads for a moment, they look something like this:

Torque, Mastina

Reasonably Psychotic

Elena Fisher, Gamma Emerald

Chito & Yuuri, Pink Ball, Near x Mello

Almost50

Now for our actual lynch options for today:

Almost50

: Don't bring up the fact that he can't post in thread as a reason not to lynch him. We can either wait for him to be able to post or get translations from Chito or whoever else is in the neighborhood. Actually, since when has he revealed in a neighborhood? Can anyone else confirm this?

Here are the points of interest regarding A50, which he wants you to forget about:

I'll bite, why am I scum A50?

I don't like your voting patterns. Let me give you an example: You think BOTH FL & ooba are scum?

I want to know why you thought I was scumreading FL

I dunno. Probably mistook a post from someone else as being made by you. I went back to ISO you and I don't see why I had that down as a remark next to your name.

I pointed out that I had mentioned something about Morality in my pt, and he ate it up. He then goes on to ask me who scum is in my hood (nonsense, the burden is on him, and the pressure should be on him)
Notably, if scum don't have daytalk then just being scum wouldn't be enough to gather this information, so that point by him is moot anyway. I theorize that he can't see into my neighborhood during the day, but may or may not be able to get info on it during the night, and if he can't then he was just making stuff up

It's time to resolve this. What information does my first post on day 3 inside my neighborhood convey?

Next tier:

Near x Mello:

I'm not convinced they're scum but they deserve to be here. This is probably where people will default to lynching without my intervention

Chito & Yuuri:

I'll be honest, I haven't been reading their posts. They seem low impact, if people make a good case for them being town I'll consider it, I think they should be looked at though

Pink Ball:

Should be looked at more closely, not really that I'm scumreading them, more that I'm questioning the townreads there and wouldn't be comfortable if he made it to the end at the moment

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If Elena ever flips town you guys have to be ready to commit and vote out people who are voting Elena - like, literally, no reevaluating anything. They next days shouldn't contain any talking except for role information and naked votes

[Dunnstral]

If Elena is town that is

the

place for scum to be pushing right now

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Forgot Joan was here, they're in the same tier as Reasonably Psychotic

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Chito: Why is Gamma null to you Dunn?

He's in my area of players where I feel kind of okay with them and wouldn't want to lynch them today, but would be fine with other people looking there if I died

Basically, he looks ok to me. Not much else to say without someone explaining why he's instead scum instead of naked voting him

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give me a few minutes and I'll let you guys know who we're actually lynching today

Chito: This is like off-topic nearly but I was kinda enjoying that the dickwaving had gone down with Severa and Boon dead, so can we refrain from acting like we're going to have one person dictating the lynch.

Do something besides naked vote and I'll consider your opinion

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Chito: Dunn, did you miss the conversation about Gamma yesterday? That's some pretty obnoxious shade coming from someone who just insisted they weren't reading our posts.

Gamma's 180 on Flavor Leaf vs Near and Mello looks worse with FL having flipped town. Also, the way she stalled in explaining what she liked about FL's case on N&M was kinda sketch, even if I was kinda okay with the explanation when she did finally present it. To me it looks like Gamma was pushing each side of a TvT, with reads that have flipped at the drop of a hat.

You mean when I said to shut up and lynch ooba? Yeah, I didn't read any of that, and I don't plan on going back and searching through it. A quick look through gamma's iso tells me that their reads are really bad - whether that means they're scum, I don't know. Plenty of people have had garbage reads this game, and they all flipped town.

VOTE: Almost50

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Almost50, I will 100% be able to catch if I see enough from him. He is a lot harder to read when he's town, but I've had no issues spotting scum-him every time I've seen it. The way the approaches the game is night and day, and currently the 5 or so posts I've seen aren't it so far.

This is all ank said in regards to a read on A50

Ch1 is me, Joan, Pink Ball, and Almost50 I think?

Since when had A50 talked in a neighborhood?

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I think balance-wise, for a 19 person role madness, it makes sense to have 5 scum total

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Chito: A50 did claim a post restriction and that the post restriction would not cause him to be prodded in the main thread. A post restriction does not make him town with certainty but I do believe the post restriction is likely real.

@Dunn

when did your read of Gamma go from scummy to null? Your first impression of the slot in rvs was that she was scummy (but not enough that you voted her) so there must then be something since then that has improved your read of her?

Not really, that was the start of the game, they haven't continued to look scummy and that early stuff isn't enough for me to scumread them at this point in the game

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Clem replaced out then his slot died buddy

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I'm currently townreading both Almost50 and Gamma Emerald.

Can anybody point to where Ankamius expresses a scumread on Almost50?

Chito? Explain yourself? What are you talking about?

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Like Almost50 was blatantly scum

in police academy

I read through the ISO of a50

in variety hour

and it looks like classic scum-A50 to me.

Reading is key, she's talking about different games

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Good work Chito, it took you like 30 pages but you finally cased gamma

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So gamma is the consensus lynch for today, yes?

-Yukiteru

I gave you your options, don't color outside the lines

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I'm down to A50 and Pink ball for todays lynch.

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A kill on Drixx is not, for scum!mastina, a kill on Drixx - it's the removal of the potential for Drixx and I to work together(in a game with hoods, where we could theoretically ALREADY be working together unbeknownst to scum!mastina).

I think the very fact that I didn't so much as bring this possibility up is sufficient proof that the thought never crossed my mind.

So regardless of whether I am town or scum.

I can tell you Drixx wasn't killed because

I

thought to remove the you-Drixx synergy.

Again shown because if I had so much as thought of this at all I'd have brought it up; I didn't because I legit never thought of that.

I see the A50 situation, I really do. If I'm wrong about the mechanical likelihood of all knowing scum, then we're *still* looking for a schemer in this game, as I still don't see A50's early play as coming FROM THEM. Am I just completely off base in that regard in your opinion?

Maybe I was wrong about my reactive self being able to work at 100% when this tired because I can't parse this in a coherent fashion; I don't understand what you're saying here.

Naw, I'm just being lazy and using imprecise language.

I still maintain that in a universe where A50 is scum and the scum team DOES NOT have any explicit channel spying powers, A50 does not warn the entire game to watch what they say in the channels because he or anyone else could be in there without them knowing. If we're in that universe, there (imo) must be someone else on his team who was the source of that particular line of play. Am I completely off base in thinking that scum!A50, in that universe, does not do what he did?


With regards to Drixx/me: Eh. Fair, I guess?

-Yukiteru

I think you're putting way too much weight on this and don't think it makes him look town

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A50 is over 50 years old, stop treating him like a kid, he can make big boy plays all by himself

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What players heavily townread Gamma? Can you refresh my memory?

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Stop using "a50 can't post in thread" as a defense

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Mastina isn't lynchable today. Look at the playerlist and realize she was made loved, then realize it's a waste of time to continue pushing there today

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It will happen. Me, you, almost are a given and chito, torque and rp are starting to see mastina is scum.

That's not enough players for a lynch.

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I don't approve of a Gamma wagon today, get on Almost. We can do this easily or we can wait until deadline and almost no lynch

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I'd also approve a pink ball lynch

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Meh. I'd vote A50 after he can come and talk

He can talk in his neighborhood where 2 separate people can then relay his thoughts

He doesn't have anything worthwhile to say, he's going to come in thread and try to shift suspicion to someone else by pointing to their play

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We should be playing like there's 5 scum because there's a decent chance there's 5 scum

I think there's some kind of a case to be made for N x M being a traitor if there is one

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I'm not afraid to force a no lynch

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Alright

So I didn't realize Pink Ball replaced the Alisae hydra, which does change my read on the slot

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Torque, Mastina

Reasonably Psychotic

Elena Fisher, Gamma Emerald

Chito & Yuuri, Pink Ball, Near x Mello

Almost50

Alright, I did some thinking, here is what I think about the game now:

Torque
Mastina
Reasonably Psychotic

Joan of Arc
Chito & Yuuri

Elena Fisher
Pink Ball
Gamma Emerald

Near x Mello

Almost50

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In an 18-player game.
The normal amount of scum is 4.

5 people - 1 scum
9 people - 2 scum
13 people - 3 scum
17 people - 4 scum
21 people - 5 scum

So yes, an 18 player game would have 4 scum, but this has 2 extra people over a 17 player game, and is in the middle of a 4 scum game and a 5 scum game. This game has a lot of high power town roles, and I err on the side of having more scum to make up for it.

In any case, I'm not absolutely convinced there's 5 scum, but it's good play to act like there's 5 scum when there is a good chance of there being 5 scum

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Dunn youre usually not terrible at reading me

should i worry?

[Dunnstral]

You should worry about your own play and work with town

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Wait wait wait so as I read ISOs and shitpost in thread

Gamma talk to me about these

I think I want to pull a N_M in this game. I'll just pop-up to lol!hammer someone :P

try it if you want lol
I think you're town enough to not care

holy fucking gross
just because I miscommunicate info I'm no longer town?
VOTE: Almost50, let's fucking jam my dude

Honestly I haven't really had cohesive reads, I've just been staying in the moment thinking that I'd get them eventually
I don't really have anyone I townread rn, it's mostly scumreads

My A50 vote was 100% tilt
anyway I don't see any way this changes
VOTE: Near x Mello
They've consistently been scummy during D3 and there's the previously mentioned meta weirdness. Everyone is arguing over other options but I think this is the direction.

Vote Almost50 or you're getting lynched today

It's that simple

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@cerb: Let me try again. You said:

I DO have mod provided information that leads me to believe knowledge of everyone's flavor will allow me to construct a scumpool which may act as an additional STRONG reason to suspect some individuals over others.

I don't care about your mechanics, I cared about your flavor.

And now you do gave my flavor claim.

What did it tell you

? Am I more likely or less likely scum? Am I clear? Am I doomed? Did it not matter?? WHAT?

Honestly, telling you this, when you've claimed your flavor in multiple channels and the scum team knows that of the scum flips, something leads me to think that I have a potential flavor reason to suspect other people, would essentially tell them *what* I'm looking for, so until I have *all* the claims I can't actually give you a response.

-Yukiteru

Flavor doesn't equal alignment

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-Yukiteru

You're not wrong, but if one knows of a town ability that has limited targeting/effects, you can assume that the scum team contains AT LEAST one member who the ability would be effective against.

That's essentially what I'm looking for, people who have flavor that would make them vulnerable to an ability(which I've already used and can't use again, but ya know, you don't have to believe me about that), on the assumption that my role is not purely negative utility.

-Yukiteru

This kind of makes sense but if flavor was truly randomized then idk what could happen

I also have an ability that depends on flavor

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OK.. so before RP hammers:

1- Once my ongoing games are over I am officially retiring this account.
2- Anyone

Town

on my wagon, please refrain from playing with me (AP) in the future. Do not sign up to games I signed up to first and do not replace into games I'm in. I am specifically addressing mastina and Dunn. If you are Town here do NOT play with me ever again. Elena, Gamma and Torque too, but I feel less aggravated towards them. Elena because I know she is scum, Gamma because he maybe scum and he's brainless anyway, and Torque because I don't have that much of a history with him. It doesn't mean I

want

to play with any of you in the future, but I am not calling you names over this.

If you have a problem with me, it's on you to avoid me, I'm going to join any games I'm interested in, I'm not upholding this

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Anyways, so I guess people aren't going to be doing the thing I want them to.

And now we dont have time for it anymore.

You all kind of suck.

-Yukiteru

I don't really care, so here's my flavor:

https://myanimelist.net/character/66173/Izumi_Miyamura

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Was gamma hammered?

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Chito: Yeah with that hammer optimism in a red flip on Gamma plummets :/

womp womp

so anyway should we ditch our role? All we do tonight is change from being a pgo to a disloyal pgo which, I guess is cool but seems kinda passive for getting an endgame solve. Put faith in the RNG and reroll or...?

So if town targets you they won't die starting from night 3?

Keep your role

[Dunnstral]

OK.. so before RP hammers:

1- Once my ongoing games are over I am officially retiring this account.
2- Anyone

Town

on my wagon, please refrain from playing with me (AP) in the future. Do not sign up to games I signed up to first and do not replace into games I'm in. I am specifically addressing mastina and Dunn. If you are Town here do NOT play with me ever again. Elena, Gamma and Torque too, but I feel less aggravated towards them. Elena because I know she is scum, Gamma because he maybe scum and he's brainless anyway, and Torque because I don't have that much of a history with him. It doesn't mean I

want

to play with any of you in the future, but I am not calling you names over this.

If you have a problem with me, it's on you to avoid me, I'm going to join any games I'm interested in, I'm not upholding this

Feel free to do so, and I'll feel free to report you for stalking. Simple. Have a good say.

Joining games normally isn't stalking

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Dunn, what was with the Elena target?

Made sure there would be no confusion as to the reason she died if she targeted scum and died and/or so nothing could interfere with her abilities

That you decided to cop her was a failure on your part since she could have easily just died from her own role and it was stated that she was being given another day due to role