Merchant's Daughter [Game Restart!]

[Pink Ball]

Just kidding, love her with my soul, but we both have strong personalities and clash a lot, but that's what makes us great. Alisae and you have really different reads, so that would compliment greatly

[Slaxx]

@Nancy Re: Cecila

I don’t want anyone to misinterpret what I’m saying regarding this. I’m not saying I believe that she both scum reads and town reads Adel, as she clearly says town later. I’m saying it looks like overexplaining the read and maybe giving herself an out on it by at least mentioning he might be scum. If you look at the other reads there isn’t as much pontification as there is with Adel.

[Alisae]

I feel like me and Alisae wouldn't get along that well. Not anything game-related, I just feel like it would be a personality clash. I plan on pairing with Ank or Celica.

is it because you’re worried that I might push a button or two like I did with nancy?
Cause nancy was askin for it

[Celica]

Why is this necessarily scummy? It's early enough in the game where there isn't a whole lot more to go on and you even said yourself that the post he's referring to was bad, so what's the problem with this?

Because it’s a post that people should think more about then just looking at it. Adel seems like a mislynch waiting to happen to me and Slax is pushing it. The way he called out the posts in questions were also bad. So yes it is scummy the way he went at it. Instead of prodding adel more he just called the post scummy and moved on.

This is essentially the same thing you did with your first point. Dunnstral calling people scummy for pushing lynchbait at page... 7 or 8 is bizarre and worth calling out, what's the problem with it necessarily? It would look a lot more scummy if the general tone of the posts were reversed, but I think most scumplayers would be more self-aware than to respond with reasonable followup questions and then immediately after make a post that could be interpreted as an attempt to discredit Dunn.

Just because you disagree with my way of thinking and the way Slaxx went at something doesn’t make the overall case bad. You didn’t really prove anything with this post. You just said you disagree and a ‘I think’ post that holds no merit because we don’t know if your ‘I think’ is true or not.

This is him essentially saying that Dunnstral hasn't posted enough to warrant "Good analysis, seems towny." This I agree with, it's a pocket attempt at a glance and it makes sense that he'd specifically pick this fight because it's a townread on his scumread.

You don’t need a high post count for someone to have good analysis in a post or to even call someone towny. Someone can be towny in only 1 post some can not be towny in 100. Post count isn’t really a factor.

That can just as easily be interpreted as "okay cool Allo might just have been hasty on Dunn, he's got his head in the game now"

No...no it can’t you’re just making an assumption. The fact is he was scumreading Allo and allo agrees with him on another scumread. He didn’t question that at all and to me that’s weird.

It's more an expression than anything. Gutreads are notorious for being unexplainable, so what would he have called it out with or questioned about it?

Gut read or not the fact he didn’t question that more is strange in and of itself. He could’ve brought more attention to it by simply going. “My scumreads are starting to town read each other.” Or ask more questions about the read.

that case strikes me more as scum trying to diminish the influence of a townslot than a bus

I have no reason to do this though when I could just nightkill Slaxx. He's the most townread gent minus Allo who I am actively trying to pair with. What would town me do in this spot? I asked for reasons why Slaxx was town and I wasn't seeing any so I posted my case. The way you and Ali are acting is like I said to stop trying to read Slaxx all together. I never did that at all.

If he's mostly on the right track, then it's entirely possible that he'd be able to convince enough of us to lynch your partners before your chance to kill him even comes up.

That wasn’t the orginal point you were making though. You were basically trying to say that I was trying to stop people from reading Slaxx. Also, the point of trying to stop his influence doesn’t make sense because he’s townreading me. Along with the fact that the whole influence point doesn’t make sense at all. It’s not like people are sheeping Slax in the first place or anything of the sort. So what influence am I stopping in the first place? Nothing at all.

Overall your statements here just feel...flat. Like you’re giving an excuse to say why my case is bad. I haven’t really seen anything good here that I can agree with. I don’t think you’re trying to understand my reasoning more so as just discredit me.

[Pink Ball]

You do realize this isn't about actual relationships right? I'm saying we wouldn't be able to work together that well.

of course I know that, I'm talking about complimentarity, and that's important for any kind of group work; real couples is just an example, but it's a good one, since you really have to work out a lot of differences to come through. When you achieve that, you get a powerful couple. Same here: you working with Alisae would be hard, but in the end I think it would work and you would solve the game

[Allomancer]

I feel like we wouldn't agree on much. Lovers get a PT, so I would prefer someone I think I could work with to solve the game. I still think you're town, I just don't think we would be very productive in our PT.

[Slaxx]

{Nancy Drew, the worst}
{Celica, Krazy}
{Ankamius, Alisae}
{Slaxx, Dunnstral}
{PvtUrist, Adelbert Steiner, Clemency, Jibril}
{Firebringer, Pink Ball}
{Reinhardt}

Why is Krazy so high up?

Because he's trying to solve the game.

Is he?

It looks like he is trying to control the list with minimal explanation and interactions with other players. Besides his one on one vs me and a few sparse interactions in the iso I don’t see someone really trying to scumhunt as I do manipulate a list to look like solving.

[Slaxx]

Cecila that’s false, I prodded Adel twice, I specifically remember poking him a bit beforehand.

[Alisae]

I feel like we wouldn't agree on much. Lovers get a PT, so I would prefer someone I think I could work with to solve the game. I still think you're town, I just don't think we would be very productive in our PT.

what gives you this feeling?

[Slaxx]

I think FB is town for asking that question compulsively. I feel like Mafia checks first here just in case they feel like not knowing would AI them somehow.

I got townread before as scum because of posts like this mr duckie. U ain't going to pocket me this way.

Ohhh shit. This was from Slaxx.

My mind just played tricks on me

I was seriously wondering why you called ME duckie but I thought maybe you called everyone duckie *shrug*

I am sorry, I swear I am not on any drugs at the moment.

tbh wouldn't care if you were

@Adel

: Any reads or input on strategy?

[Allomancer]

The list made sense though! even though he didn't explain it, I could kinda see the logic behind it and why it would be good. I don't always explain my reads, that doesn't mean I'm not trying to solve the game.

[Pink Ball]

Allomancer is town by the way, now confirmed. Thank u, next

[Slaxx]

My bad it was once. I must not have posted what I was going to post, there was a point where I was going to prod him more but waited then forgot.

Still though.

[Celica]

These scumreads on me have come out of left field and I don't really know how I feel about it? Pinkball I don't really care about because he's not playing the game and isn't making end game. Most likely the first pair to die thankfully.
Alisae could be town and it's what I lean right now.
Ank is scum for reasons I just stated.
Huh that was easier now that I took a moment to think it over.
Pedit: I don't remember you doing so if you did.

[Allomancer]

I feel like we wouldn't agree on much. Lovers get a PT, so I would prefer someone I think I could work with to solve the game. I still think you're town, I just don't think we would be very productive in our PT.

what gives you this feeling?

I dunno, gut feeling based on what you've said so far i guess.

[Allomancer]

Starting to reconsider my read on Pink Ball. Not so sure about a PB/Clem lynch anymore.

[Pink Ball]

These scumreads on me have come out of left field and I don't really know how I feel about it? Pinkball I don't really care about because he's not playing the game and isn't making end game. Most likely the first pair to die thankfully.

Not only she has a poor superficial scumread on me, but also doesn't give me the chance to start playing the game 'cause that would be a threat.

Ladies and gentlemen, we got her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just kidding, love her with my soul, but we both have strong personalities and clash a lot, but that's what makes us great. Alisae and you have really different reads, so that would compliment greatly

So, who do you think Ank should pair with then?

[Slaxx]

The list made sense though! even though he didn't explain it, I could kinda see the logic behind it and why it would be good. I don't always explain my reads, that doesn't mean I'm not trying to solve the game.

It didn’t make sense at all. He had someone who hadn’t posted at the top, and although I get why he did that from the LIST perspective, it makes little sense from a scumhunting perspective. Like, everyone who posted is more scummy than the guy who hasn’t done anything? I mean do you know what any of his actual stances are on most of the stuff that’s happened? How often in his ISO has he actually engaged with players to determine alignment? Most of it has been retroactively rearranging the list based on what other people have been pushing. It’s a great way to keep your hands clean.

[Slaxx]

These scumreads on me have come out of left field and I don't really know how I feel about it? Pinkball I don't really care about because he's not playing the game and isn't making end game. Most likely the first pair to die thankfully.
Alisae could be town and it's what I lean right now.
Ank is scum for reasons I just stated.
Huh that was easier now that I took a moment to think it over.
Pedit: I don't remember you doing so if you did.

I literally quoted it

[Celica]

Pink just started posting because they're getting heat. It was a really weird swing in my mind. Them 'catching up' and having those reads also feels convenient/fake to me I don't even fully believe pink has caught up. The reads need explaining the first time he did some type of explanation was the read on me/Adel
Pedit: Don't try and pin the blame for

you

not playing the game on me Pink ball. You're the one not doing anything. You already have a partner you're gonna be playing the game. Nothing I do will stop you from playing. The fact you're trying to pin your faults on me is just ugly.

[Pink Ball]

Starting to reconsider my read on Pink Ball. Not so sure about a PB/Clem lynch anymore.

Just remember what I stated: the scumteam wants to get read of me as early as they can 'cause I'm annoyingly adorable. Any player who stated they were scumreading/leaning me at the start of the game with the "he's not playing the game" argument is poor as fuck and they should be scrutinized for it, since stating "this player is not contributing" is NOT a valid contribution

[Alisae]

I feel like we wouldn't agree on much. Lovers get a PT, so I would prefer someone I think I could work with to solve the game. I still think you're town, I just don't think we would be very productive in our PT.

what gives you this feeling?

I dunno, gut feeling based on what you've said so far i guess.

I’m asking because when I get into it, my towngame is literally just focused on making sure town works together. I don’t think my posting so far has been very reflective of that but /shrug
But then again it has been a bit of a while so I am still kinda rusty.
I think we would be fine regardless tho but its your call at the end of the day.

[Celica]

Starting to reconsider my read on Pink Ball. Not so sure about a PB/Clem lynch anymore.

Just remember what I stated: the scumteam wants to get read of me as early as they can 'cause I'm annoyingly adorable. Any player who stated they were scumreading/leaning me at the start of the game with the "he's not playing the game" argument is poor as fuck and they should be scrutinized for it, since stating "this player is not contributing" is NOT a valid contribution

Who is scumreading you for this reason? I don't think anyone is.

[Pink Ball]

Pink just started posting because they're getting heat. It was a really weird swing in my mind. Them 'catching up' and having those reads also feels convenient/fake to me I don't even fully believe pink has caught up. The reads need explaining the first time he did some type of explanation was the read on me/Adel
Pedit: Don't try and pin the blame for

you

not playing the game on me Pink ball. You're the one not doing anything. You already have a partner you're gonna be playing the game. Nothing I do will stop you from playing. The fact you're trying to pin your faults on me is just ugly.

I'm not getting more heat that I had like 25 pages ago, honey. I'm posting now 'cause I got some spare time to get obvtown and avoid scum like you get a free mislynch.