Merchant's Daughter [Game Restart!]

[Alisae]

@Ali
My krazy townread comes from I've seen the kinda mech playstyle that Krazy has before, but it doesn't strike me as manipulative. He's also throwing in questions to help solve the game to me.

Alright, what about Dunnstral, I would kinda like your take on that before anything else

[Clemency]

god damn, the pace of this game

You're doing great bae ilu

you do realise i'm fully ready to drag you down if necessary

[Allomancer]

The list made sense though! even though he didn't explain it, I could kinda see the logic behind it and why it would be good. I don't always explain my reads, that doesn't mean I'm not trying to solve the game.

It didn’t make sense at all. He had someone who hadn’t posted at the top, and although I get why he did that from the LIST perspective, it makes little sense from a scumhunting perspective. Like, everyone who posted is more scummy than the guy who hasn’t done anything? I mean do you know what any of his actual stances are on most of the stuff that’s happened? How often in his ISO has he actually engaged with players to determine alignment? Most of it has been retroactively rearranging the list based on what other people have been pushing. It’s a great way to keep your hands clean.

He made it pretty clear that it depended on what mcqueen said when he showed up. Actually, it kinda makes sense. Nancy Drew is a powerful obvtown player, so you want to match her with someone who isn't all that towning to make it a less attractive kill. The way he set it up, me and Ank would draw the kill, which i think is probably ok because i feel nancy is more beneficial to town then both of us combined.

[Celica]

My read on Dunn was town early game and it's slowly shifting around. I kinda stopped reading at one point because I felt whatever Pink/clem flip would basically solve dunn. So I lean town considering I have a sr on pink.

[Alisae]

My read on Dunn was town early game and it's slowly shifting around. I kinda stopped reading at one point because I felt whatever Pink/clem flip would basically solve dunn. So I lean town considering I have a sr on pink.

would it be too much to ask for for ya to review his ISO and just say whatever comes off of your mind?

[Alisae]

Also don’t do that with associatives in mind. Those will probably distract ya.

[Celica]

I'll do that later tonight because right now my head is killing me from the other interactions and I'll just end up skimming.

[Slaxx]

The list made sense though! even though he didn't explain it, I could kinda see the logic behind it and why it would be good. I don't always explain my reads, that doesn't mean I'm not trying to solve the game.

It didn’t make sense at all. He had someone who hadn’t posted at the top, and although I get why he did that from the LIST perspective, it makes little sense from a scumhunting perspective. Like, everyone who posted is more scummy than the guy who hasn’t done anything? I mean do you know what any of his actual stances are on most of the stuff that’s happened? How often in his ISO has he actually engaged with players to determine alignment? Most of it has been retroactively rearranging the list based on what other people have been pushing. It’s a great way to keep your hands clean.

He made it pretty clear that it depended on what mcqueen said when he showed up. Actually, it kinda makes sense. Nancy Drew is a powerful obvtown player, so you want to match her with someone who isn't all that towning to make it a less attractive kill. The way he set it up, me and Ank would draw the kill, which i think is probably ok because i feel nancy is more beneficial to town then both of us combined.

Yeah you missed my point. His only pushes have been shady. One on me for scumreading him and then host little tinfoily hat thing with the way PVT organized the list. He’s had a few townreads, and his summary in the list post wasn’t bad, but my point still stands he is really only talking to people within the mechanics of the game or player meta, any of the few actual proactive pushes he’s made have been scummy as hell.

[Alisae]

I'll do that later tonight because right now my head is killing me from the other interactions and I'll just end up skimming.

Sure as long as ya do it later.
I guess I can talk to you about your scumreads.
Firstly when it comes to Ank.
A. Is it possible that your fight with them is just TvT? Because it feels VERY TvT from both sides, and generally fights that don’t really mean anything end up being TvTs.
B. Why does scum claim they have 8 coins right away?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If I'm that much of a threat, the only way to save me from getting NKed is to pair me with scum, who would instalynch someone into intermission anyways

Just going to reiterate that I'm the 8 coin lady and matching me up with someone who can reasonably be scum is very risky

You have 8 votes and depending on whom you pair up with, will either be seen as a huge assest or threat to scum. You obviously don’t want to pair up with a scumread for obvious reasons but you’re 100% putting a target on your back, if you pair with a likely obvtown gent, so I think for those reasons Allo and Slaxx probably wouldn’t be the best choices for you. So, if you pair up with a nullread, you will probably be safe(r) in either case. Right?

And you obviously should take all the time you need to figure that out. We ALL should ideally. I just think the original plan of pairing obvtowns with null reads, contributes to you being the biggest target, so I think it’s in town’s best interest - as I’ve said - to take the heat off of you, as much as possible.

[Pink Ball]

god damn, the pace of this game

You're doing great bae ilu

you do realise i'm fully ready to drag you down if necessary

I knew that from the moment I proposed to dance with you darling. That's why people should be loving us

[Slaxx]

Like who cares how much sense the list makes (it still doesn’t from a scumhunting perspective within the game- only from a player meta perspective) if any actual within-game content and traditional scumhunting from him is scummy? You’ve been successfully dooped to keep talking about the list and not his actual contributions, interactions, and pushes. He’s trying to solve the mechanics not alignments, and that’s a great excuse to let others make bad pushes.

[Allomancer]

So to clarify, during the first dance, does each lady's vote count as one, regardless of her coin value?

[Celica]

A. Honestly? It's possible. I don't think Ank is trying to sort me right now and that they're just discrediting me. I did see stuff that I liked from Ank, but even if we take away the fight that we just had I had other reasons to sr Ank.
B. That was my first point on talking about Ank. If you go into my iso you'll see that I talked to ank about why scum them would claim 8 coins at game start over town.

[Celica]

So to clarify, during the first dance, does each lady's vote count as one, regardless of her coin value?

Yes

[Pink Ball]

@Slaxx am I town yet?

[Nancy Drew 39]

The list made sense though! even though he didn't explain it, I could kinda see the logic behind it and why it would be good. I don't always explain my reads, that doesn't mean I'm not trying to solve the game.

It didn’t make sense at all. He had someone who hadn’t posted at the top, and although I get why he did that from the LIST perspective, it makes little sense from a scumhunting perspective. Like, everyone who posted is more scummy than the guy who hasn’t done anything? I mean do you know what any of his actual stances are on most of the stuff that’s happened? How often in his ISO has he actually engaged with players to determine alignment? Most of it has been retroactively rearranging the list based on what other people have been pushing. It’s a great way to keep your hands clean.

He made it pretty clear that it depended on what mcqueen said when he showed up. Actually, it kinda makes sense. Nancy Drew is a powerful obvtown player, so you want to match her with someone who isn't all that towning to make it a less attractive kill. The way he set it up, me and Ank would draw the kill, which i think is probably ok because i feel nancy is more beneficial to town then both of us combined.

How am I more beneficial to town than Ank?

[Slaxx]

@Slaxx am I town yet?

I’m not scumreading you.

[Allomancer]

I see you as a very powerful town player. Ank I don't think is as powerful in her analysis as you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So to clarify, during the first dance, does each lady's vote count as one, regardless of her coin value?

@FakeGod?

Coins=votes in the first dance I think? So Ank has 8 of them, right?

[Alisae]

Honestly Celica, look back on it later. You’ll probably get a kick out of how that whole arguement is so futile and useless, but I’ll address this.

Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.

I kind of don’t see how this makes sense? I feel like Ankamius would probably land her ideal partner anyways, and there’s no way they were going to have an ideal partner in mind on page 1 unless its a scum v scum pairing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I see you as a very powerful town player. Ank I don't think is as powerful in her analysis as you.

But doesn’t she get 8 votes?

[Pink Ball]

Pink has been really on point as town in the games I’ve played with him.

And I always scumread him early and wind up changing.

But I don’t think I will this game. A little peeved about the casualness of the pairing.

This is the last thing I recall you saying about me, after telling Clem that we should use protection 'cause I'm scum. Am I town yet?

[Allomancer]

So to clarify, during the first dance, does each lady's vote count as one, regardless of her coin value?

@FakeGod?

Coins=votes in the first dance I think? So Ank has 8 of them, right?

It clearly says gentleman votes = coins. It doesn't say anything regarded lady's votes, which is why I asked.

[Celica]

Honestly Celica, look back on it later. You’ll probably get a kick out of how that whole arguement is so futile and useless, but I’ll address this.

Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.

I kind of don’t see how this makes sense? I feel like Ankamius would probably land her ideal partner anyways, and there’s no way they were going to have an ideal partner in mind on page 1 unless its a scum v scum pairing.

It's more so I don't see why town Ank does it that early. It also made her more appealing as scum. Could she have a chance to get her partner as scum without claiming it? Of course, but saying you have the most coins helps.