Starcraft Mafia: 2 -- Game Over!
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I hard tilted myself and got town lynched in a way that very likely soured their already untoward understanding of who I am as both a player and a human being.
I then proceeded to kill a player who I highly suspect as having fake-claimed IC in all of his recent games that we've been in purely due to the fact that I fake-claimed IC in a game we were in and that play lost the game for us. This is probably an egotistical stance for me to take, but that's how it feels. And, as we've seen, Kokichi flipped town here, further sealing that, yes, my IC fake in UpicketyPick was bad play, and, yes, I am a fucking hypocrite for killing him over claiming it here, as town.
So yeah man I'm not really in the mood to mafia anymore because the last several games have culminated in this farce where everything I do specifically makes me look more like an asshole to people who I'd rather not be a dick to.- Varsoon
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@Varsoon: The only thing you've managed to erode -by repeating those lines like a broken record- is my confidence in youralignment.
It now feels as if you're trying to play down the "non-existent" doubts about you being on a higher level scum play plan.
Sorry, mate.. but I think you've really overdone it.
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nope. Varsoon is both confirmed town and being 100% genuine. this would be high-level scumplay but it is completely not what Varsoonas a personwould ever, ever try.
that's not even including the mechanical townclear.
that said: you're being far too hard on yourself. being wrong on somebody's alignment, even for reasons you now regret, does not make you a terrible player and it certainly doesn't affect how you're seen as a person. you made bad calls, so did i. if i'd stuck to my Creature/Taly townread and actually argued for it instead of losing confidence (again), i'd be happier about where we are this game. i also encouraged the Kokichi shot, and so did other players.
and you can learn from the STW thing.
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jjh: Tibor/pintu/mewtaph (voting Tibor)
mewtaph: Michael Scott/jjh (voting jjh)
pintu: jjh/Proflavor/mewtaph (voting jjh)
Proflavor: when will Flavor return from war? profii when you're caught up i'd love to see your reads.
Michael Scott: jjh/Proflavor/mewtaph (voting jjh)
Tibor: jjh/Proflavor/mewtaph (voting jjh)
Alch: Proflavor/mewtaph/Michael Scott
the chunks are in a combination of my own reads and the consensus. the purpose is simply for recording everyone's solves.
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EBWOP. mewtaph isn't voting.In post 2937, Almost Chara wrote:jjh: Tibor/pintu/mewtaph (voting Tibor)
mewtaph: Michael Scott/jjh
pintu: jjh/Proflavor/mewtaph (voting jjh)
Proflavor: when will Flavor return from war? profii when you're caught up i'd love to see your reads.
Michael Scott: jjh/Proflavor/mewtaph (voting jjh)
Tibor: jjh/Proflavor/mewtaph (voting jjh)
Alch: Proflavor/mewtaph/Michael Scott
the chunks are in a combination of my own reads and the consensus. the purpose is simply for recording everyone's solves.
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this jjh/Proflavor/mewtaph consensus is interesting and almost assuredly wrong. i'm taking the massclaim into account here.
mewtaph is ineveryplayer's scumlist. what's up with that? feels almost like a designated soft bus if anything.
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lock: Varsoon
town: Alchemist, T&L
townish: Michael Scott
three scum in here:
jjh927
Mewtaph
ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra)
pinturicchio
hm. it matches the lineup i just said was likely incorrect.
i should go back further but for tonight i'm tired. also need to make sure MS isn't just scum stepping up.
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Varsoon, I know how you're feeling and it's understandable, specially for how D1 happened. But I don't think anyone will hold a grudge on you or something along those lines; after all, it's just a game. I respect you for feeling this way 'cause it means you really care about this and your effort is by no means in vain. I'm happy playing with you and will happily play again- Varsoon
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Thanks
I'm just struggling real hard to get into game right now and I know I need to be more in it
I really feel like I did wrong my Shoshin and TW with how I leveraged IC status and fake-claimed to get them lynched. This is the second time in a row where I've over-claimed my role to push a lynch I had high confidence in on a town player who I've got a history of having sour interactions with and I really don't want to make a habit of doing that.- Michael Scott
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Small correction @AC, I think Mew has Alchemist in his solve.- Michael Scott
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Almost Chara: Did A50 not know that Varsoon was mechanically cleared prior to post 2935? I want to know your combined read progression on Varsoon's slot.- Michael Scott
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Also, can you walk me through your Alchemist townread? From the game I've read it seems like he's an easy read with a meta of "not having enough presence" as scum. He seemed town to me from play but his post-D1 play feels like it matches that, so I'm getting a bit worried about my read there.
Also, I expected more reactions if we found the scumteam by consensus; why would a scumteam just ignore that?
Also, any pointers from mechanics? Both kills were by Marine fire, that implies ground units, yes? I'm not so good at this, but if you can figure out something it'd be great. One of my concerns with Pint is that he was adjacent to both the NKs.- Michael Scott
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Both Mewtaph and jjh927 never once mention ProFlavor in their ISOs, interesting.- Michael Scott
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This makes me feel AC is town - scum!AC wouldn't bother trying to cast doubt on Varsoon; if AC was scum, I'd expect A50 to be updated with the scum thread / agenda at least.In post 2943, Michael Scott wrote:Almost Chara: Did A50 not know that Varsoon was mechanically cleared prior to post 2935? I want to know your combined read progression on Varsoon's slot.
I'd still like the progression explained though.- Mewtaph
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In post 2630, ProFlavor wrote:I am happy to vote Creature but I’ll just wait for FL to see this and he can make the call
~WoofDid you discuss this vote with FL?
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So I've had a chat with Volxen, and these are the conclusions we've come to.
- Volxen pointed out that 3 town BPswith one unlimited-shot seems very unlikely, and I agree; also, an unlimited-BP doesn't make much sense even if certain abilities can bypass it.One of {jjh, T&L} is scumand we'rehighly confidentit's jjh927. There are other reasons that lend jjh927 scum equity - like the lack of vote on both days D1.jjh927 has to be lynched today.
- Pintu and ProFlavor aren't W/W: Both scum fakeclaiming Zergling leaving only three confirmed town Zerglings is unlikely - so a scumflip on one of them makes the other town.
- Mewtaph and Alchemist21 are likely not TvT: The game having three town-aligned air units with all scum fakeclaiming ground units is unlikely. Their tunnel supports this. Mewtaph is much likelier to be scum IMO in this situation, considering his lack of town meta-match, his lack of mention of other scumspects, and bad votes.
- Almost Chara is probtown: In addition to my earlier reasoning (can't see the Varsoon push coming from scum and their D2 play seems consistent with the claim), Volxen pointed out that it's reasonable to expect a town anti-air defence role given there are scum air units.
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