Merchant's Daughter [Game Restart!]

[Pink Ball]

So, Urist should be the one leaving the dance with no partner, bummer.

Clem and I are leaving the party too, so Celica will have to talk about the rest of the playerlist instead of trying to look busy when she's just repeating "Pink Ball is scum" when things have changed along the way. I think Celica is scum and Clem/me leaving will be pro town to make Dunn and Alisae go after her.

Don't try to read too much into this post, like "scum!PB is trying to look town with this post", 'cause we are 100% leaving the dance no matter what

[Nancy Drew 39]

How does this make me scum if clem/pink and town?

Hard to explain. Let's call it gut for now. However, I'll sadly want you dead anyway.

Celica, your thought process could've been different in real-time, but from the posts Dunn quoted, Dunn looks pretty town. Unless anyone's sure Clem's gonna flip town, but even then, while Dunn

could've

been pushing an easy target as scum, it was also a seemingly

valid

push, therefore I wouldn't automatically lynch Dunn if Clem flips green.

Also to throw your own words back at you. It doesn't really matter if you agree or disagree on what you think is enough to get a read on you. It's my own read and it's how I came to my answer. However you're clearly not reading my posts so this conversation is a bit blah.

I think you're town at the moment, but Dunn's right. You may have your own reads, but if you want anyone else to agree with you on those reads, you're going to have to do a better job at explaining said reads.

Keep this up McQueen and I may accept your offer afterall. I think I still want to wait for Krazy replacement though.

[mcqueen]

Before you ask. No, I won't go into more detail. Mostly because I don't want to and It's rather pointless to keep going about it. I just need to show people that the 2 pairings I want dead are strongly likely to have scum.

??? (@my above) Did you mean it

does

net us scum? You said doesn't, but then you say this.

Also, I've seen you say the "I won't go into more detail" more than once now, and while one of those times may have been in your spat with Pink Ball, umm, I'd prefer it if you explained your thought process in full. This isn't a game with crazy power roles or anything like that, so I see no reason not to spill almost your entire mind with regards to the game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So, Urist should be the one leaving the dance with no partner, bummer.

Clem and I are leaving the party too, so Celica will have to talk about the rest of the playerlist instead of trying to look busy when she's just repeating "Pink Ball is scum" when things have changed along the way. I think Celica is scum and Clem/me leaving will be pro town to make Dunn and Alisae go after her.

Don't try to read too much into this post, like "scum!PB is trying to look town with this post", 'cause we are 100% leaving the dance no matter what

Urist hasn’t asked anyone or hinted at it. Why are you so convinced he’s leaving?

[mcqueen]

What you're not explaining is how if pink/clem are town, I'm suddenly scum

Because I'm pretty sure that's the approach you'd take as scum

So if there is scum in pinkball/clem, is Dunn town or scum

Town but I'll still lynch him because of Slax.

What's wrong with Slaxx? I'm pretty sure I've picked up he's a pretty good all-around townread, so if you have doubts about him, that's interesting.

[Ankamius]

well now it's kind of hard to justify wanting any specific gentleman to leave predance now that Reinhardt's slot is empty

[Pink Ball]

He should be the one leaving 'cause 1. I think he's scum; and 2. If he's town, he'll probably drag his partner to a mislynch commanded by scum. Maybe a Celica/Urist pairing and let one of the lurkers leave

[Ankamius]

urist's case on me was pretty town though

[Pink Ball]

It had a lot of effort, yes. Is effort = town, or do you see something else?

[mcqueen]

That wasn't the point of the question you asked. You asked that just to be a jerk. What were you really expecting the answer to your question to be? Regardless of I'm town or scum of course I'm gonna answer the same way. You just asked that to be a jerk for no reason what so ever because you're upset that I'm not magically flipping my read based on your one opinion. One that you don't even take the time to properly explain. Along with the fact you're clearly not reading the game.

Listen, I'm trying to demonstrate that the reason you're being grilled is mainly to figure out your alignment. NOT to try to meld with your reads.

pretty sure she's town.

[Ankamius]

it's not rare for people who don't know how I play to scumread my playstyle

it's generally not hard to see who genuinely thinks I'm scum for it and who's just trying to push an agenda on it

the way he handled the read was annoying but I don't think it came from a scum agenda, no

[Nancy Drew 39]

it's not rare for people who don't know how I play to scumread my playstyle

it's generally not hard to see who genuinely thinks I'm scum for it and who's just trying to push an agenda on it

the way he handled the read was annoying but I don't think it came from a scum agenda, no

Well I obviously wouldn’t link you from Necromancer game.

[Ankamius]

it's not rare for people who don't know how I play to scumread my playstyle

it's generally not hard to see who genuinely thinks I'm scum for it and who's just trying to push an agenda on it

the way he handled the read was annoying but I don't think it came from a scum agenda, no

Well I obviously wouldn’t link you from Necromancer game. :lol:

yeah but it's a good example of me knowing what I'm talking about with this kind of thing, since that's kind of how I got an obvtown read of you that game

(also naturally the read changes if Urist hides behind the read all game since he's done very little else besides snipe at me and try to get people to talk about me)

[mcqueen]

Okay I have my tea and my tunes playing. A good pillow scream. I feel better. Still a bit sad, better though!
Pedit: You know what I needed that laugh

Gonna whiteknight/hypocrite/play devil's advocate (did I use that properly?) here and say; my goal is not to be rude to you.

Just to calmly restate what I'd like you to explain (mostly because I haven't read the thread), is why do you think Slaxx is scum? Are you sure that Dunn and Pink Ball are not of the same alignment? I read your reasoning (Dunn felt dodgy), but is it possible they could both be town?

As of this post, I've seen Rein has requested replacement. His ISO should still net me some insight, as well as Adel, Krazy, and now Pink Ball.
I currently think Alisae, Dunn, Celica, and Nancy are town; and, I think PvtUrist is scummy. More to say about the latter in a minute.

[mcqueen]

I got a bit too invested and needed to remember this is suppose to be a game for fun. Yeah, it's all good here.

I'd like everyone here to remember this.

[mcqueen]

Do you think Pink/clem has scum Dunn? I get your logic on Slaxx and I'd be more open to the idea if I was more sure you were town. I'm starting to feel that way but a pink/clem flip would reassure me.
Also I prob dance with Krazy or no one at this point

If Nancy declines my offer, I'll dance with you.

[Ankamius]

I'd still rather Nancy dance with Urist

it's probably the best shot we have at getting him out of his tunnel on me

[mcqueen]

So, Urist should be the one leaving the dance with no partner, bummer.

Clem and I are leaving the party too, so Celica will have to talk about the rest of the playerlist instead of trying to look busy when she's just repeating "Pink Ball is scum" when things have changed along the way. I think Celica is scum and Clem/me leaving will be pro town to make Dunn and Alisae go after her.

Don't try to read too much into this post, like "scum!PB is trying to look town with this post", 'cause we are 100% leaving the dance no matter what

You leaving the dance as scum wouldn't make sense. But you also using that to pose Celica as scum, when I'm sticking by my read that she's not, doesn't give your slot a lot of towncred from me. Like I said, let's dig through your ISO first, but not off to a good start.

[mcqueen]

I'd still rather Nancy dance with Urist

it's probably the best shot we have at getting him out of his tunnel on me

let Urist leave (or force him with a last-second partner?). I am mindmelding with Pink Ball here.

[Ankamius]

why have urist leave over adel and Reinhardtslot though

[mcqueen]

why have urist leave over adel and Reinhardtslot though

just ISO'd Urist, and because I kinda think he's scum. I'm about to make a post on that, though.

Can you tell me why Adel and Rein are candidates for being left out? I think I've assumed why, because they're lurkers? ??

[Ankamius]

Reinhardt because I think his entrance was scummy
Adel because his entrance wasn't really as bad but it ruffled more feathers

Urist has a lot more divided reads than either of them

[Slaxx]

Okay I think PB is town now.

[Slaxx]

People said McQ is an easy read... not seeing it.

[mcqueen]

I think PvtUrist is scummy. More to say about the latter in a minute.

2) Pre-dance mechanic that doesn't allowed pushing lynches on D1

Okay, this post intrigues me because it's true; but, I can kinda see how Urist's Ank-tunnel in this game, is similar to his support of EchoVision's mislynch on Day 1 in our Newbie game together. Yes, I'm going back to that; No, it might not be the best way to scumhunt; But, it's what I've got to work with right now.

Urist interacted with people pretty well on that Day 1, and EchoVision was more of a policy lynch, but at the time I replaced in, had I gotten more time, I wasn't feeling EchoVision!scum, but kinda had to go along with it. I'm not feeling Ank!scum here, either.

So THEN, on Day 2, is when Urist tunneled T-Bone, but both of us had scumreads on him and it was pretty obvious. Also, Urist was a Cop. Enter in where I'm not sure if his play here is because anyone who's town is just "town" (townie, almost) and not a PR, or if it's because he's scum.

Are we certain Pvt has that same power to control a lynch during the Dance phase? Certain posts of his strike me as having a different tone than that Newbie, while others feel similar. So, I'm not really sure and I'm keeping him at leanscum for now.