Open 76 - Polygamist Mafia (Over!) before 604

[dcorbe]

confirm

[dcorbe]

This game is a real sausage fest. Obviously gender won't be a clue as to who is paired up with who.

[dcorbe]

Can someone explain why claiming is a good idea?

It sounds like a sure fire way to get lynched or NKd.

[dcorbe]

To be honest, I felt that Bionic was going to start going on a rampage, promptly telling everyone that claiming lovers is anti-town, just to see how many people he gets to agree with him, then turn around, claim lovers with me, say it was all one big trap to see who agreed with him, and hope everyone believes him.

While Bionic informed me such is his playstyle, I feel that it would have gotten him (and consequently me) lynched.

I said I was aggressive, not stupid!

I would never say I believe something just to see who follows and then backtrack. Trapping is scummy no matter how you look at it.

Don't worry little buddy, we can mend our relationship. Think of the children!

HAH this is going to be an entertaining game

[dcorbe]

@mod

Can you prod my lover, please?

[dcorbe]

BTW I claim to profess my butt-buddiness for Panzerjager (replaced Adel, and apparently not awake)

[dcorbe]

Anyone else see the parallelisms between Jay and his hetero life partner silent bob?

[dcorbe]

So is anyone going to suggest wife-swapping, or is that too much of a giveaway?

[dcorbe]

I'm not seeing the case against Zombie at the moment. What about post 87 did you find scummie?

This:

Post 87, chopped into bits for analysis:

I will agree whole heartedly with Bionic on FoSing Dcorbe, but not so much on Qman.

Nothing wrong with debating a point with his partner

DCorbe's post seemed something like this:

Post 1: He he he I will ask the mod to prod my partner, this will make the townies think I am townie!

Reaching like crazy, trying to make dcorbe look bad on something thats neutral at best.

Post 2: OH

DAGNABBIT

I FORGOT TO NAME A PARTNER AND SINCE I HAVE NO ACTUAL LOVER THE MOD WILL NOT PROD THEM OR SAY SOMETHING WHICH IMPLIES ME OH

DAGNABBIT

.

OH

SHUCKS

IF I POST IN CAPITAL LETTERS AND PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH IT MAKES HIM LOOK LIKE SCUM.

Post 3: Ok ok, distract the townies from my second post, distract distract distract.

Getting more and more hyperbolic with the accusations, still haven't shown anything legitimately scummy coming from dcorbe

Post 4: MORE DISTRACTION MORE DISTRACTION.

HEY THIS NEWB IS HAVING TROUBLE WHAT BETTER TIME TO MISREPRESENT HIM!

WIFOMy to the max, I know, but just my two cents.

In one sentence, zombie tries to mitigate the scumminess of WIFOM by

admitting

it was WIFOM and at the same time, downplay his own role in trying to start a wagon on dcorbe.

And please see my own post 108 for evidence of how his partner BionicChop is making things a little bit more obvious.

I'd hate for this to be interpreted as an OMGUS, because it isn't intended as such... but what the hell dude?

Isn't overly aggressive behavior generally considered a scum tell too?

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

[dcorbe]

No, DCorbe, aggressive behavior is usually not necessarily scummy.

FoS on OGML

, for wanting a lynch so soon in a game with no NKs.

FoS on Grimmy and DCorbe

, for jumping on that bandwagon.

Jumping on what bandwagon? Yours?

This is the first time all thread I've voted.

[dcorbe]

sorry guys, I just got my prod.

I'm on V/LA for the day. I will post later tonight or tomorrow morning, promise. I have some interesting thoughts that I'd like to share with the rest of the group.

-Daniel

[dcorbe]

gorrad and farside are scum with ZS and biochip. FYI

Adel: you're jumping to very big conclusions here.

Unvote

Vote: Adel

[dcorbe]

wait a second

did Adel replace someone after she was replaced?

[dcorbe]

wait a second

did Adel replace someone after she was replaced?

Never mind I just answered my own question by rereading page one, but this brings up another point:

Since I was originally paired up with Adel doesn't this give her a distinct advantage of knowing my role?

[dcorbe]

wait a second

did Adel replace someone after she was replaced?

Never mind I just answered my own question by rereading page one, but this brings up another point:

Since I was originally paired up with Adel doesn't this give her a distinct advantage of knowing my role?

And since she knows my role, it wouldn't be fair to the polygamists (mob) so you would have to figure the mod would place her into a role where she has no distinct advantage, therefore she must be scum.

Vote stands:

Confirm Vote: Adel

[dcorbe]

She never got her original role PM, DCorbe.

Admittedly I haven't been paying as much attention to the game as I should be. Sorry about that guys. But can you quote where the mod says she never got her role PM?

-Daniel

[dcorbe]

No, she never picked up her role before. the message was deleted before she got it

From 162, DCorbe.

Thanks.

[dcorbe]

Posting, anyway. hey dcorbe, where in SD you from? I'm from The Box.

I don't know what "the box" is, I've only been here since November. I moved out to take a job with a company out in sorrento valley.

I'm living downtown right now in little italy.

I'm always looking for someone to go have drinks with! How are are you?

[dcorbe]

Posting, anyway. hey dcorbe, where in SD you from? I'm from The Box.

I don't know what "the box" is, I've only been here since November. I moved out to take a job with a company out in sorrento valley.

I'm living downtown right now in little italy.

I'm always looking for someone to go have drinks with! How are are you?

EBWOP: How far are you?

[dcorbe]

By the by I think that [Xtoxm, killa seven] and [panzer, dcorbe] are far too under the radar right now.

Why? I got my prods and woke up, and I'm generally responsive after I pick up my prods.

There's some good reasons for me to stay on the Adel wagon even though my partner isn't with me.

@Mod: can we get a vote count?

[dcorbe]

IM guessing we will see

Im here. vote: someone. Goodbye

Im just saying....

Oh, now *THAT* is useful </sarcasm>

FoS: KillaSeven

how about something with a little more substance?

[dcorbe]

@Panzerjager & dcorbe:
how much pregame conversation did you guys have? What did you talk about during that time?

That's an odd question. What on earth could you POSSIBLY deduce about our alignment by asking that?

[dcorbe]

would you mind just playing along and answering the question?

Yes, I mind. I asked you a direct question: Why do you want to know?

I'm still new enough at this game to not recognize when someone is trying to lay a trap for me, no matter how illogical or counter-productive that trap may be.

[dcorbe]

Agreeing with DCorbe on 231.

Seriously, Adel? Never ask a question unless you are ready to say way you asked it.

lol!

how would a person ever trap scum if they had to explain

how

they were trapping scum before the possible scum player had to answer?

Confirm Vote: Adel

for the ultra lame attempt to fish for scum tells.

[dcorbe]

Agreeing with DCorbe on 231.

Seriously, Adel? Never ask a question unless you are ready to say way you asked it.

lol!

how would a person ever trap scum if they had to explain

how

they were trapping scum before the possible scum player had to answer?

Confirm Vote: Adel

for the ultra lame attempt to fish for scum tells.

I know my vote is on Adel, but that is a pretty weak reasoning there dcorbe. Players ask questions and other players answer them. That is how the game is played. Either that or we can stare at each others names and see if we can rearrange the letters into something scummy. Each of us have our own ways of trying to find scum and asking weird questions to spark discussion is certainly a valid one. The question shouldn't be if you think the fishing for scum tells is

lame

, it should be if you think it is

genuine

. If you think they were genuinely fishing for scum tells, it doesn't matter how lame you think it is, you shouldn't vote for them. If they were trapping town with questions that can only have scummy answers, that would be completely different.

I can't tell if they are genuine or not, but right now they feel scummy - mostly because my question earlier was avoided and the attacks on my partner seems to be based on convenience more than fact.

I am torn between staying there or going back to my original suspicion on you. I gave you the benefit of the doubt based on your recent join date, but I know that means very little. I technically have not completed a game on this site yet, so you are no newer than I am. Some of the things you are saying just aren't sitting well with me.

If you read back it's not the only reason I have to vote for Adel, but thanks for your narrow-focused insight.

[dcorbe]

*sigh*. Dcorbe, you refusing to answer the question is significantly more scummy than Adel asking it.

It was a loaded question. I couldn't have answered it correctly and I would have come out looking scummy anyways.

That's not scum hunting, that's trying to start a wagon with nothing to go on. Big difference.

[dcorbe]

*sigh*. Dcorbe, you refusing to answer the question is significantly more scummy than Adel asking it.

It was a loaded question. I couldn't have answered it correctly and I would have come out looking scummy anyways.

That's not scum hunting, that's trying to start a wagon with nothing to go on. Big difference.

And more importantly the timing of the question is suspect. It looks like she's trying anything to shift the focus off of her and (frankly) I'm an easy target.

[dcorbe]

And are alignments revealed Cow?

Not paying much attention...?

Not actually contributing...?

I dont remember much "talking" but there wasnt much "sleeping" either


Grimmy
needs a cigarette

LOL baby you said you didn't kiss and tell!

@Adel we only exchanged a couple of messages, about defending one another cause we're confirmed and looking for connections between more than two people. I feel like a moron because I didn't think of the whole all lovers claiming bit but I didn't put much thought into this game before it started.

Avoidance of Adel's question is scummy, btw. Town lovers shouldn't have anything to hide about what they said to each other.

Nobody has yet to explain to me WHY avoidance of the question is scummy, and WHY we shouldn't have anything to hide. The chats are private for a reason.

Did the 4 Polygamists get together and think this up as a strategy to shift suspicion off of them and onto the townies?

[dcorbe]

I think rule # 4 prohibits me from clipping my conversation in here. Our quicktopic thread had 14 posts. 2 from cow, 7 from me and 5 from zombie

Wait a minute.. WHAT!?

The lovers are

PAIRED

I think you just gave the game away.. Nice job, duck.

Unvote

Vote: ZombieSlayer

[dcorbe]

I think rule # 4 prohibits me from clipping my conversation in here. Our quicktopic thread had 14 posts. 2 from cow, 7 from me and 5 from zombie

Wait a minute.. WHAT!?

The lovers are

PAIRED

I think you just gave the game away.. Nice job, duck.

Unvote

Vote: ZombieSlayer

Now do you people understand why I was so adamant about *NOT* discussing private conversations here?

[dcorbe]

I think rule # 4 prohibits me from clipping my conversation in here. Our quicktopic thread had 14 posts. 2 from cow, 7 from me and 5 from zombie

Wait a minute.. WHAT!?

The lovers are

PAIRED

I think you just gave the game away.. Nice job, duck.

Unvote

Vote: ZombieSlayer

I'm not sure what you are reaching for her. Cow is the mod, it makes sense that there would be 3 post.

unvote:
vote dcorbe

The more you comment about not talking about post the scummier you look.

oh.. good point. Sorry.

I didn't realize what I was saying. I developed tunnel vision there for a second.

[dcorbe]

Unvote

Vote: Adel

[dcorbe]

Looking at dcorbe's posts in isolation is interesting.

gorrad and farside are scum with ZS and biochip. FYI

Adel: you're jumping to very big conclusions here.

Unvote

Vote: Adel

original reason he voted for me

Agreeing with DCorbe on 231.

Seriously, Adel? Never ask a question unless you are ready to say way you asked it.

lol!

how would a person ever trap scum if they had to explain

how

they were trapping scum before the possible scum player had to answer?

Confirm Vote: Adel

for the ultra lame attempt to fish for scum tells.

then he confirms vote on me for scumhunting.

What's interesting about it?

The content of my original post (the one where I jumped on your wagon) was done pretty much in agreement with the case against you as presented by ZSl and bionicchop

You haven't really take the time yet to explain to me why I should post my privs, nobody has.. The only thing everyone keeps saying over and over again is "it's scummy not to"

Sorry, but I'm not going to go along with the herd just for the sake of going along with the herd. That has gotten me into trouble before in previous games. Lynch me for that if you want to, but I'm simply NOT going to do it.

My second point about your "scum hunting" is that this:

gorrad and farside are scum with ZS and biochip. FYI

is not really scum hunting. It's a blanket statement. You didn't and still haven't posted ANYTHING to back it up yet.

Why is what you're doing to me scum hunting and what I'm doing to you a scum tell?

[dcorbe]

@dcorbe: do you understand that I was trying to partially

clear

you and your partner by way of showing why I was confident that ZS and biochipchomp were scum together?

I'm not convinced on the ZS/Bionic wagon. What's worse is you're pushing it. They look way more town to me than you do. At least what they post has substance and meaning, what you post is crap like:

gorrad and farside are scum with ZS and biochip. FYI

Which I note you're STILL *STILL*

STILL

refusing to explain.

What does everyone else make of dcorbe being on my wagon and panzerjammer being on ZS?

He's not posting right now so how is that relevant? Give him a chance to wake up.

Did anyone notice who had the biggest reaction to me replacing in? Who noticed that I may have read PJ's role PM and bothered to

object

to it in-thread?

Yes, I objected, but I didn't see where the Mod had intervened on your behalf. That put my fears to rest.

Again, how is that relevant?

[dcorbe]

What does everyone else make of dcorbe being on my wagon and panzerjammer being on ZS?

He's not posting right now so how is that relevant? Give him a chance to wake up.

I don't think I've ever been in a situation where the person voting for me was so defensive.
He has posted since your initial vote on me, and your confirmation of your vote on me.

He's barely posted at this point since my initial vote.

I don't explain my questions, in case you didn't notice the first time we had this dance, but I raise the point because I think it may be a fruitful point to ponder for the rest of the town.

Did anyone notice who had the biggest reaction to me replacing in? Who noticed that I may have read PJ's role PM and bothered to

object

to it in-thread?

Yes, I objected, but I didn't see where the Mod had intervened on your behalf. That put my fears to rest.

Again, how is that relevant?

Are you really a "network engineer"?

Now that's not even remotely on topic and I'm not sure whether that's a question designed to goad me or if you're really interested in what I do for a living.

If you want to know, genuinely, then PM me. Otherwise, stop trying to change the subject.

Which alignment would make a person more likely to object against a player replacing in with possible knowedge of his claimed partner's alignment? Also, you and PJ managed to talk pre-game.

Did you notice if anyone else objected?

[/quote]

To which objection are you referring? Your replacement into the game (which is now a moot point) or your demanding that I post my priv's, which I'm still *NOT* going to do no matter what you say at this point since I'm getting such a strong scum vibe from you.

[dcorbe]

Did you know it is generally considered impolite to answer a question with a question?

Do you know that deflection is another scum tell?

[dcorbe]

I seriously doubt dcorbe and panz are scum with zomb and bionic. So I don't think this debate between dcorbe and adel is going to matter once we lynch zombie and the game ends.

Adel *STILL* hasn't posted anything at all about why she felt the need to make such blanket statements like:

gorrad and farside are scum with ZS and biochip. FYI

And now you're making them too. This debate would end right here and now if Adel would take the time to explain her views on the ZS/biochip wagon instead of question-dodging the hell out of me.

I have a few questions for you:

1) Why would you tie yourself to Adel like that by echoing her sentiments so exact?

2) Why won't *ANYONE* take a moment to summarize the ZS/Bio wagon for the rest of our benefit.

[dcorbe]

actually,

I'd hate for this to be interpreted as an OMGUS, because it isn't intended as such... but what the hell dude?

Isn't overly aggressive behavior generally considered a scum tell too?

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

could easily be a scum distancing vote. It was dcorbe's only vote before I replaced in. Also, before I replaced in he had almost no content at all; now he is spamming up the thread attacking me.

the sequence of events:
1. Adel replaces in and votes for ZS
2. dcorbe attacks Adel

Translation:

OMGUS

You're reaching way back to the beginning of the game to build a case on me that's already been built.

At this point I'll go ahead and change my prediction: gorrad and farside are not scum with ZS and biochompchop

~~~

@dcorbe: sometimes players post things simply to get reactions out of people. It tends to work on newbies better than experienced players.

Can you not see how your refusal to explain your position is an open invitation for scrutiny?

[dcorbe]

I seriously doubt dcorbe and panz are scum with zomb and bionic. So I don't think this debate between dcorbe and adel is going to matter once we lynch zombie and the game ends.

I basically agree with you, but the reaction I've had from dcorbe so far is escaping my ability to classify it.

I second this agrement.

Adel- Farside and I talked very little. I brought up the massclaim idea, she said it was good and that she would be V/LA for a while.

Also, I feel pretty confident at this point bringing ZS to L-2.

Vote: ZS

. Adel's looking more and more town, so I'm scratching the imeadiate vote thing. On the slim chance ZS flips town, I'll be looking strongly at Dcorbe, notably for his adamant refusal to answer the bloody question. Looks to me like newb scum fearing making a mistake.

I'm not the only person here refusing to answer questions. How would ZS flipping town make me suspicious for D2? I'm specifically pushing NOT to have him lynched.

It doesn't appear as if you've actually read the exchange between me and Adel.

[dcorbe]

If there's another refusing, I missed them.

Why you'd be suspicious:
1) Aruging with Adel, who I find increasingly tonw

And why was I arguing with Adel? For her refusal to explain her position on the ZS wagon. For that matter, why are YOU pushing the wagon?

2) Defending a very scummy player. Whether they're scum or not is not the point, they're scummy. I see no reason why a pro-town player would defend a scummy player.

I'm not defending him tooth and nails! I want to be convinced that a ZS wagon is a good idea.

AGAIN: Why are you guys pushing so hard on a ZS wagon!?

So far nobody has been able to answer that question out of Adel, OMGLife... Let's try you.. Can you recap good reasons for a ZS lynch for the rest of the group?

3) CONTINUOUS refusal to answer the question. Of course, Bionic finally answered it for you (which should help convince you that you were wrong in refusing), but the sheer length of your refusal is stunning. In my experience, scum a MUCH more likely to not go along with plans on the basis of 'I'm not sure what this will do' than town.

Okay, so far you've got a case on me to push for a policy lynch on me because I won't answer a question and because I lurked during the first half of the game. That's fine.

But what Adel, OMGlife and you are now trying to do is gang up on me because I'm trying to get the three of you to make more of a case against ZS than "he is scummy, let's lynch him, ZOMG"

None of you quote posts, or provide any sort of material that might convince the rest of us to hop on.

You're trying to gang up on me because you know if one of you gets wagoned, it's game over.

[dcorbe]

I'll see if I can whip up a case-recap post later today, busy time for me so no promises. For now, bit of a problem- so you're saying Adel, OGML, and I are scum? Wow. That's just crazy enough to be completely impossible. Good job.

I guess it must be crazy, because you said so! *WHAT* EVER was I thinking?

I know... It must be because I'm going off of claimed partnerships, not confirmed ones.

[dcorbe]

I'll see if I can whip up a case-recap post later today, busy time for me so no promises. For now, bit of a problem- so you're saying Adel, OGML, and I are scum? Wow. That's just crazy enough to be completely impossible. Good job.

I guess it must be crazy, because you said so! *WHAT* EVER was I thinking?

I know... It must be because I'm going off of claimed partnerships, not confirmed ones.

Sorry about the sarcasm. Bad call on my part. I know that all 3 of you can't possibly be scum. Which ever one of you decides to give a reason for busing ZS gets townie points in my notes.

[dcorbe]

Busing ZS? So now eight people are scum! Yay.

You're twisting my words hoping that it will create doubt and suspicion. That's not what I said at all.

[dcorbe]

K, Hi guys, I'm back again. Read the thread, sorta kinda and got a general idea of the situation. So here it goes, I'll play with you Adel. Last time I checked the Quicktopic, There was 3 post, 1 from Cow, 1 from DCorbe 1 from me. I never checked back to see his reply because I don't really give enough of a shit and figure I'd have to bail him out of shit.

I'm not amused. I don't like being tossed under the bus by my partner.

Cow said hi Start Talking, DC said that he's never night talked with a townie before, I said We Claim, He then replyed(which I never got until just now, to verify post count) No we'll get NKed. This confirms my intial suspisicion of having a bum partner, and there's your answer. 5 post if you count Cows Go and Stop posts.

Now Adel, you and DC need to play nice and stop getting this confused, I buy that you are a thinker(I've read your games) and I buy that DC is overcautious and I know he is Town. So I'm gonna buy that you are town. Right now beside the obvious scum that is Bionic and ZS, I would have to say the next most suspicious is Gorrad. He seems to be doing the equivalant of sucker punching people and just scum like vibes coming off him. So I'll post again in about 2 days so I don't get Prodded again, can we Lynch ZS now?

If you're not going to play this game then you need to ask to be replaced.

[dcorbe]

a helpful hint: the day you realize that you have been your own worst enemy will be the day you improve dramatically at in this game.

I stand by my arguments.

[dcorbe]

What do you make of the fact that I'm still not voting for you?

You're waiting for someone other that bionic/ZS to start pushing my wagon, then you're probably going to "reread" me and "reluctantly decide" that my actions are scummy, that way when I turn up town on D2 you and the rest of your scum buddies can go "look, I told you so"

[dcorbe]

What do you make of the fact that I'm still not voting for you?

You're waiting for someone other that bionic/ZS to start pushing my wagon, then you're probably going to "reread" me and "reluctantly decide" that my actions are scummy, that way when I turn up town on D2 you and the rest of your scum buddies can go "look, I told you so"

Or maybe I'm just stretching.

Unvote

[dcorbe]

What do you make of the fact that I'm still not voting for you?

You're waiting for someone other that bionic/ZS to start pushing my wagon, then you're probably going to "reread" me and "reluctantly decide" that my actions are scummy, that way when I turn up town on D2 you and the rest of your scum buddies can go "look, I told you so"

why aren't you voting for biocipchom and ZS?

Because I'm still not convinced that the wagon is sound, and my partner is a moron.

None of the people pushing their wagon has really provided anything sound on them for the last, 5 pages or so.

[dcorbe]

@Adel: seriously. The deadline for D1 is June 30th, it's only June 8th. We have plenty of time to try and convince each other of who's wagon is sound and who's isn't. Why are you in such a hurry to lynch ZS?

[dcorbe]

@Adel: seriously. The deadline for D1 is June 30th, it's only June 8th. We have plenty of time to try and convince each other of who's wagon is sound and who's isn't. Why are you in such a hurry to lynch ZS?

More importantly why won't you take 15 minutes and summarize your arguments instead of constantly attacking me.

[dcorbe]

Do you want me to really attack you?

You have been.

You know that if the ZS wagon collapses you are probably the most likely to get lynched, right?

I'm not playing this game to save myself, I'm playing this game to achieve a town victory. Do you realize that when you lynch ZS and he turns up town on D1, then you lynch me on D2 you're going to look like a complete scumbag?

Do you even read your partner's posts?

Yeah, that's how I came to the conclusion that he's a moron.

Did you even read bionicchop2's post where he voted for you?

How would you like me to react to this? Should I react to him in the same way he's reacting to me? Does an OMGUSy post deserve an OMGUSy response?

He thinks I'm an idiot, I get it. I think he and ZS are town.

You keep trying to make this about me and not about proving your case. You are the scummiest person ever.

[dcorbe]

Dcorbe, Panzer would be at LEAST three times more town than you in my opinion, had it not been for the fact that y'all are linked. Also, if there's two town lynches, we lose! Or did you not worry about that.

Seriously, let's just lynch Dcorbe or ZS and be done with this game ><. Not to be impatient, but the level of hate vibes in here is really throwing off my groove.

How is that possible with 12 of us alive and 4 scum?

D1: 12 - 2 = 10:4
D2: 10 - 2 = 8:4
D3: 8-2 = 6:4
D4: Game over.

[dcorbe]

Dcorbe, Panzer would be at LEAST three times more town than you in my opinion, had it not been for the fact that y'all are linked. Also, if there's two town lynches, we lose! Or did you not worry about that.

Seriously, let's just lynch Dcorbe or ZS and be done with this game ><. Not to be impatient, but the level of hate vibes in here is really throwing off my groove.

How is that possible with 12 of us alive and 4 scum?

D1: 12 - 2 = 10:4
D2: 10 - 2 = 8:4
D3: 8-2 = 6:4
D4: Game over.

I reread the game setup and you're right, but this goes a long way toward supporting my notion that more discussion is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY before the June 30th deadline.

Quit pushing for a quick lynch.

[dcorbe]

I do find it a little odd you didn't know the setup well enough to know how many town there are, but you knew how many scum there are.

You would find anything I had to say odd right now so I'm really uninterested in your opinions. I'm not going to respond to you because you're working against me right now.

And you should be doing more to defend your lover instead of blindly jumping onto the "let's gang up on dcorbe" wagon.

I would prefer if you had nothing else to say for the rest of the game.

[dcorbe]

For the record, it's

SIMPLY AMAZING

to me how everyone here jumped all over me for refusing to answer a question but the moment I asked Adel and Gorrad to recap their case against ZS/Bio, I'm the scummiest person here.

[dcorbe]

scum naturally would've been acutely aware of some of the larger ramifications of this setup. They (unlike water_foul and Qman) would've spent quite a bit of energy talking before the game started (or at least two or three). Scum would be acutely aware that there was no night phase and that they have no NK. Scum would try to appear helpful by pointing out some of the specifics of the setup to townies who hadn't figured it out.

this is still true.

Do a reread and ask yourself "is there a player who uncharacteristically figured stuff out before other people?"

I'm that biochomp is being honest and he is the kind of player to talk as much as possible, regardless of alignment. ZS isn't, and it takes two to talk. Also, there wouldn't be much to talk about pregame.

did you miss this post?

Do what you want. Lynch him if you want to. Lynch me. You'll be wrong on both counts.

It is apparently the scum's strategy on day 1 to push the same meaningless argument all the way to June 30th and to keep the town at each other's throats in order to prevent any real and meaningful discussion from taking place in hopes of scoring a townie lynch without having to convince a simple majority.

I've already expended far too much energy defending what appears to be a very unpopular opinion. I've said what I have to say and I've done what I can do to defend my position. At this time I feel as if a long and protracted argument isn't going to be beneficial to this town and in the interests of advancing this game forward I will no longer participate in this particular line of questioning. If anyone has anything new to add, I will gladly comment as I am prodded to do so.

[dcorbe]

my partner is a moron.

And what does make my partner? This is clearly a disfunctional relationship and I demand a Divorce. I want the house in Malibu and the Vette, you can take the kids. And just so you know, I faked it.

Okay, I LOLed at this one a little Maybe you're more clever than I've previously given you credit for.

[dcorbe]

I change my prediction to gorrad and his partner being scum with dcorbe and panz. Panz's nice lenghty post comprised completely of twisting my words and assumptions about the way I think only confirm my suspicions.

Why do you think gorrad and I as scum. Why do you think dcorbe and panz along with it?
As adel pointed out. Scum wouldn't be voting against there own because then scum loses.

unvote, vote:Farside22

wrong. scum wouldn't be voting one another once there was a large wagon. I fully expct scum to be voting each other when there is a small wagon.

Now, see.. A gorrad/farside wagon is a wagon I could see as productive.

Vote: farside22

[dcorbe]

I change my prediction to gorrad and his partner being scum with dcorbe and panz. Panz's nice lenghty post comprised completely of twisting my words and assumptions about the way I think only confirm my suspicions.

Why do you think gorrad and I as scum. Why do you think dcorbe and panz along with it?
As adel pointed out. Scum wouldn't be voting against there own because then scum loses.

unvote, vote:Farside22

wrong. scum wouldn't be voting one another once there was a large wagon. I fully expct scum to be voting each other when there is a small wagon.

Now, see.. A gorrad/farside wagon is a wagon I could see as productive.

Vote: farside22

Ok, hypocrite, where's YOUR case? You whine and complain about cases, then hop onto the first wagon that isn't you or your scumbuddy.

My case is based mostly on your comments in the last few pages and:

1) The fact that you were last on the ZS wagon
2) which means you backed Adel blindly
3) not only did you back adel blindly, you backed her stance on refusing to state your case on the ZS wagon

[dcorbe]

5) You were lurking, waiting for me to post so that you could jump all over me.

[dcorbe]

5) You were lurking, waiting for me to post so that you could jump all over me.

6) Your partner finds me automatically scummy in every game I join with her. She has a personal problem with me and it effects her judgement and is not good for the town

[dcorbe]

No talking about ongoing games
-Cow

[dcorbe]

No talking about ongoing games
-Cow

sorry, mod. I withdraw my comment.

[dcorbe]

5) You were lurking, waiting for me to post so that you could jump all over me.

6) Your partner finds me automatically scummy in every game I join with her. She has a personal problem with me and it effects her judgement and is not good for the town

7) The difference between me and you (since you were OMGUSy enough to call me a hypocrite) is that I'm willing to answer questions which I am required to answer to prove a case.

[dcorbe]

1. Ok, great, defending your scumbuddy. Woo.
2. Agreeing does not mean doing so blindly
3. 346
4. The 4. is a lie
5. Howzat again? I honestly have no idea what you're talking about here.
6. And how exactly does this reflect alignment at all? Saying it's universal makes it a nulltell
7. Right, naturally. We've seen your willingness to answer questions, say, regarding nighttalk.

Regarding 7: Thanks for completely ignoring the point. I'll answer questions that are reasonable to prove a case. I won't answer questions I think are unreasonable no matter how many people say that it is reasonable if they refuse to explain to me why it is reasonable.

Regarding 2: It's blind agreement if you refuse to post anything supporting your case

Regarding 6: Again you missed the point. Something global on that scale is absolutely relevant to the game, because she's letting her personal opinion of me effect her judgement. Tell me, please how someone acting in haste is beneficial to the town.

Regarding 5: I think it's more than coincidental that your posts in this thread dried up for a page-page and a half and then you posted within 10 minutes of me attempting to blast my position on your partner's wagon to pieces. That's lurking/tunnel vision to the max.

Regarding 2: It took you a *LONG* time and a *LOT* of asking both you and adel to get one of you to finally post that.

Regarding 1: He *MUST* be scum, because *YOU* said so and everything *YOU* say is *SOOO* correct, right? What *EVER* was I thinking.

[dcorbe]

Regarding 7: Thanks for completely ignoring the point. I'll answer questions that are reasonable to prove a case. I won't answer questions I think are unreasonable no matter how many people say that it is reasonable if they refuse to explain to me why it is reasonable.

If someone asks you a question to help their scumhunting, you answer it unless you're hiding something or have damn good reason not to. That simple.

I had a good reason. I didn't understand the question. Did anyone have a good reason to not take 5 minutes to explain it to me?

No.

Regarding 2: It's blind agreement if you refuse to post anything supporting your case

And yet, I DID.

Sure, several pages into the argument.

Regarding 6: Again you missed the point. Something global on that scale is absolutely relevant to the game, because she's letting her personal opinion of me effect her judgement. Tell me, please how someone acting in haste is beneficial to the town.

Ok, so even if she's playing poorly, that doesn't make her scum. It means she's playing as normal. Besides, have you ever thought it was YOUR scummy play that makes her suspect you?

I get that my playstyle has something to do with it but we're not talking about 1 or 2 games here, we're talking about every single game I'm in with her.

Regarding 5: I think it's more than coincidental that your posts in this thread dried up for a page-page and a half and then you posted within 10 minutes of me attempting to blast my position on your partner's wagon to pieces. That's lurking/tunnel vision to the max.

Again, where is this? I've been VERY active in this game. Give me post numbers.

When was the last time before this morning you posted?

Regarding 2: It took you a *LONG* time and a *LOT* of asking both you and adel to get one of you to finally post that.

Pardon me for having my wisdom teeth pulled. I hardly had time for a readthrough.

Maybe you shouldn't pick a fight and then leave to go have oral surgery immediately. Maybe you should have waited until after you could respond to me to blast me. Or perhaps was it your intention to paint me in a bad light and then stop responding.

Regarding 1: He *MUST* be scum, because *YOU* said so and everything *YOU* say is *SOOO* correct, right? What *EVER* was I thinking.

Yeah, me and a good amount of the rest of the town. You seem to be one of the only people supporting him. Because y'all are scumbuddies.

Incorrect. You are the scum.

[dcorbe]

I had a good reason. I didn't understand the question. Did anyone have a good reason to not take 5 minutes to explain it to me?

No.

I'm fairly sure we DID try and explain. Several times. Besides, the question was VERY straightforward.

I simply disagree, so I chose not to answer the question. If I had to do it again I would still chose not to answer the question. I may answer questions of this nature in the future depending on whether or not you flip scum. My bet is you do flip scum and I don't ever answer that question.

Sure, several pages into the argument.

Again, teeth removal. Sorry.

I get that my playstyle has something to do with it but we're not talking about 1 or 2 games here, we're talking about every single game I'm in with her.

And once more I state, HOW does this effect her allignment? At ALL?

Let me try this one more time... She's hurting the town. Her narrow minded and tunnel-vision approach to scum hunting in this game leaves a little to be desired, and she doesn't seem to care. Acting in detriment to the town is certainly considered a scum tell.

When was the last time before this morning you posted?

The previous night, shortly before I went to bed.

Maybe you shouldn't pick a fight and then leave to go have oral surgery immediately. Maybe you should have waited until after you could respond to me to blast me. Or perhaps was it your intention to paint me in a bad light and then stop responding.

Or maybe I had oral surgery and decided it wouldn't matter if my access was limited for a short period of time because of it. Oh, that's right, I must have PLANNED my oral surgery ahead of time so that it would conflict! 'Oh dang', said I, 'I'd better get my teeth pulled so I don't have to face the might of dcorbe!'

Or maybe you saw your scheduled appointment with the dentist as an opportunity to say someone is scummy without actually backing it up, and then when you were called on it to use it as a lame excuse and come out looking pro-town when all you really did was fire off an unsubstantiated claim.

[dcorbe]

Go ahead and pile on, and then when I flip town please take a careful look at Adel and the points I raised.

It's been a fun game.

Thanks.

-Daniel

[dcorbe]

I just looked through the votes and it is 4 votes panz and 4 vote zs.
Dcorbe makes no sense. He followed Adel voting against me and now is blaming Adel calling her scummy with nothing to back it up.

You both completely ignored that 4 page argument I had with Adel.

I'm convinced the scum partners are

farside22/gorrad
adel/whoever her partner is.

[dcorbe]

i'll reserve judgment on panz.

That seems scummy. Why would you reserve judgment when you were specifically asked about a player and they have 4 votes on them?

i suppose it might seem scummy, but in that case panz would be one of my partners which would make ZS innocent. Since ZS is on 5 and Xtom and I are the only ones who don't have a vote up, we hold the hammer on him. If he's innocent and we're guilty, then we probably want to try and play it reluctantly putting the hammer on ZS.

anyway, i think that someone having a lot of votes on them is even more reason to reserve judgment, don't you?

Did you just say "my partner

s

?"

Please tell me that was in response to something

Unvote

Vote: zoraster

[dcorbe]

all the arrows on that graphic seem to point back to you adel.

[dcorbe]

all the arrows on that graphic seem to point back to you adel.

And this is where the headdesking at dcorbe's scumminess occurs once more.

Then lynch me already.

[dcorbe]

It's kinda the truth, Qman. Read your role PM or, alternatively, the townie role PM in post 2.

Yeah I noticed after I made that post i went and looked. That kinda changes things I had it in my head that it was 2 pairs of scum, not a four way. Bleh.

I dub myself team idiot. Just me. I'm the WHOLE team.

Come on dude... 23 pages into this game and you're just now realizing how this works?

[dcorbe]

my partner is a moron.

And what does make my partner? This is clearly a disfunctional relationship and I demand a Divorce. I want the house in Malibu and the Vette, you can take the kids. And just so you know, I faked it.

You want a divorce?! After all the good years I've given you!? All the meals you came home late for!? All the times you went out with your friends instead to taking me out!? I LOVED YOU, MAN! I GAVE MY LIFE TO YOU. I WRECKED MY BODY FOR OUR KIDS! I GAVE AND I GAVE.

And BTW, your "business meetings" with your "secretary!?!" I know what was happening! Was she worth it panzer!? WAS SHE!?

Fine. You want a divorce!?

*pulls a .22 out*

I'LL GIVE YOU A DIVORCE!!

PHIL HARTMAN STYLE BABY.

Vote: PanzerJager

And shots ring out

[dcorbe]

EBWOP: Sorry, doube voted.

Unvote

Vote: PanzerJager

[dcorbe]

Unvote

. No Quicklynches until Adel finishes, savvy?

By my vote count that was the hammer.

[dcorbe]

Here's my one bah post.

@Mod: I totally set you up for the murder/suicide scene You should have humored me.

[dcorbe]

Good game even though I got called dumb

[dcorbe]

Good game even though I got called dumb

Sorry dcorbe, but voting for the only other person besides yourself that you know to be town is dumb.

I figured we were going to get lynched no matter what so I really just wanted to go out in a melodramatic fashion. Sorry mod, it wasn't my intention to hurt the game.

I actually incorrectly guessed that I was the hammer vote so I guess that part of it was kind of dumb if we weren't actually at L-1 yet.