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Post Post #20620  (isolation #400)  » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:00 pm

The performer may also have extensive W-2 income (this is the case with Equity actors) that will often have extensive expenses that sadly are no longer deductible starting in 2018 under the 2017 TCJA tax bill. This means that a performer with BOTH W-2 and self-employment income will only be able to deduct those expenses associated with their self-employment income:

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Post Post #20647  (isolation #401)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:38 am

In post 20643, Persivul wrote:We're talking about largely lower-income people (so I'm told) bitching on the internet.

soo...that's what you think this discussion has been?

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Post Post #20652  (isolation #402)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:09 am

In post 20651, Psyche wrote:we're obviously all here on this mafiascum.net politics thread because we think it's an efficient way to make money

Soros does send out some generous checks

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Post Post #20661  (isolation #403)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:25 am

The idea isn't that reducing taxes on poorer people will somehow give them more money and make them rich. That's not in anyway feasible.

the idea is that appropriately taxing the uberwealthy and corporations (who, btw pay an effective tax rate on their earnings MUCH less than normal people regardless of their federal income tax rates) will provide for a proper social safety net so that no one will have to worry about going bankrupt because they got sick, or being kicked onto the street when they are too elderly and feeble to be a part of the 'workforce'

I don't know why your conflating tax rates with 'picking yourself up by your bootstraps'. They have nothing to do with one another

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Post Post #20663  (isolation #404)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:26 am

In post 20649, zoraster wrote:It's kind of infuriating to have these discussions because (1) "I got mine through only my own hard work" and "everyone could do it if they'd just try" are both such pernicious lies (2) six-figures (i.e. $100k) isn't usually the major line that left policy-makers target as the turning point between, say, the redistributed from and the redistributed to. (3) Adding on to that, squabbling between those making 50k a year and those make 150k a year is only helpful to those who either make $1M+ a year or (more powerfully) those who don't "make" much of anything because they are already incredibly wealthy.

Because the guy making $150k a year has quite a lot in common with the person making $50k a year and not that much in common with the person whose net wealth is $100M and who can easily live off that without ever even touching the principal of that amount.

you also left out the part where the tax cuts have mostly led to corporate stock buybacks to fuel the stock market inflation and had very little measurable effects on job growth

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Post Post #20717  (isolation #405)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:01 pm

In post 20692, Psyche wrote:and again, this is a massive distraction from the possibility of worthwhile discussion

thats usually the strategy

thats why the current argument is "is it really a concentration camp" and not "why the fuck are we torturing children?"

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Post Post #20721  (isolation #406)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:10 pm

Psyche's point for those that need a much simpler version is that both internal and external factors impinge on a person's quality of life. We as a society can make the external factors such that everyone has a maximal chance of having a reasonably comfortable and respectful existence. Our current social structure makes it harder for such an existence for a large fraction of the population, that is trending larger.

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Post Post #20724  (isolation #407)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:14 pm

he never said that
jfc

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Post Post #20727  (isolation #408)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:19 pm

Psyche chooses his wordings rather carefully. If he meant entirely he would have stated as such.
Perhaps I'm just used to reading in such a way as this sort of qualification is rather important in my line of work.

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Post Post #20730  (isolation #409)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:41 pm

In post 20728, Psyche wrote:They lay blame and go home!

if this were true, the financial collapse of 2008 would have ended a lot differently

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Post Post #20749  (isolation #410)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:32 pm

In post 20745, Porkens wrote:The children who are interned at the border are being abused and neglected by America. The reason they aren’t being processed normally is because of mismanagement - they are stuck there because the executive branch is disfunctional and unable to do even the basic functions of government. Those kids and babies are going to continue dying.

This country is not ok. It is not working. If you find yourself defending the status quo, you need to look deeper. You may think you are going to be ok, that you and your family are going to be good, but other people are suffering and dying needlessly in this country because of our disfunctional, racist, and cruel politics.
but why are you complaining?
the economy's doing great

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Post Post #20754  (isolation #411)  » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:20 pm

In post 20752, T-Bone wrote:
In post 20653, Persivul wrote:
In post 20649, zoraster wrote:It's kind of infuriating to have these discussions because (1) "I got mine through only my own hard work" and "everyone could do it if they'd just try" are both such pernicious lies

In the U.S. if you have a certain level of intelligence, plan well, and put in the work, you can be successful to the level we're discussing. I think that scummers tend to be smarter than the average bear. It will be easier for some and harder for others, but IMO personal effort has a far greater effect on one's well-being than government programs.


That's not true at all. If you're a teacher, your wages are capped. Is there somehow, someway, teachers can work harder to make more money? Because I could teach for the next 30 years and I would maybe approach and income making half of what you make currently. What more personal effort could I put in to increase my earnings?

It's really not true across the board, but all we have to do is start with public sector careers to see that personal-effort has very little correlation with future earnings.

but if you were smarter, you would have known teachers get paid shit and done something else with your life

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Post Post #20759  (isolation #413)  » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:12 pm

In post 20758, inte wrote:
In post 20755, chamber wrote:... People with a poor work ethic shouldn't starve or die.


core tenant of conservationism is that "useless" people should suffer but only by the grace of successful people should they be allowed to continue living. but not do too much because it would be inconvenient to have to acknowledge their reality. many claim self-sufficient superiority but are completely blind to the privileges that they've been afforded. it's amoral.

Alaskans are my favorite in this regard

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Post Post #20763  (isolation #414)  » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:25 am

In post 20759, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 20758, inte wrote:
In post 20755, chamber wrote:... People with a poor work ethic shouldn't starve or die.


core tenant of conservationism is that "useless" people should suffer but only by the grace of successful people should they be allowed to continue living. but not do too much because it would be inconvenient to have to acknowledge their reality. many claim self-sufficient superiority but are completely blind to the privileges that they've been afforded. it's amoral.

Alaskans are my favorite in this regard

Such massive bootstraps
https://www.eschatonblog.com/2019/07/cruel-trick.html

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Post Post #20766  (isolation #416)  » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:03 am

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is this the start of the idiocracy?
will we be teaching children that George Washington won the battle of EWR to put a decisive end to the Revolutionary War?

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Post Post #20769  (isolation #417)  » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:17 am

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Post Post #20787  (isolation #418)  » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:07 pm

only the best people

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Post Post #20791  (isolation #419)  » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:40 am

The racism and the border and the asylum are all the same issue
the press is too stupid to figure it out, or ignoring all this, or likely a combination of both

The Dems as a party don't care about the border because the Blue Dogs are afraid they wont get re-elected. Pelosi doesnt do anything with the border because Pelosi doesnt do anything without enough votes

The commenter is justifiably upset but I would say somewhat misguided

Pelosi is doing the resolution as an olive branch to "the Squad" to make amends for the BS that staffers have being sniping at one another.

Trump played noone like chumps because if he didn't Tweet this out, the Dems would still be infighting, and his poll numbers wouldn't have dropped down from their highest point in ages (ever?) after doing racist shit as his poll numbers consistently drop after he performs overt acts of racism. No one in the press was ever going to talk about an 'obscure' asylum bill as if it were breaking news, so they didn't need a smoke screen

Trump playing the media is a silly concept because the media plays themselves. It's their job (DC media in particular)

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Post Post #20799  (isolation #420)  » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:08 pm

I'd put Krysten Sinema at center right
if I had to pick an elected pol for the job

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Post Post #20802  (isolation #421)  » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:13 pm

and this is why you pass these kinds of resolutions
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pelo ... vote-trump
to get people on record supporting or disavowing these shit statements

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Post Post #20803  (isolation #422)  » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:31 pm

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Post Post #20809  (isolation #423)  » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:16 am

I personally think it serves as a reminder for all the people that don't pay attention to politics 24/7 that the president is in fact an out and proud racist
Fortunately, a majority of the country still find that revolting

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Post Post #20810  (isolation #424)  » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:21 am

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Post Post #20820  (isolation #426)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:35 am

In post 20818, RadiantCowbells wrote:Being white makes you the most colorful of all PoCs because white is made of all colors. You literally can't be a person of more color than a white person.

this really depends how you are defining color
for opaque objects, white notes a lack of pigmentation allowing most wavelengths of visible light to bounce off

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Post Post #20823  (isolation #427)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:37 am

In post 20822, Persivul wrote:Funny thing is that Trump will win again because you guys can't admit that he knows what he's doing, and so won't develop effective counters.

the effective counters are being played out in courts, legislative offices and community centers across the country
they are securing a fair election and fighting back against the attacks of voter suppression

Trump is the most unpopular president this country has ever had

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Post Post #20826  (isolation #428)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:53 am

In post 20822, Persivul wrote:Funny thing is that Trump will win again because you guys can't admit that he knows what he's doing, and so won't develop effective counters.

also continuing to support Trump after his overt racism and mob rallies makes me question your humanity

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Post Post #20828  (isolation #429)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:54 am

In post 20825, Creature wrote:
In post 20823, shaft.ed wrote:Trump is the most unpopular president this country has ever had

Bush was re-elected though? Anything can happen.
Thats why we need to take away as many anythings as possible

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Post Post #20829  (isolation #430)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:56 am

In post 20827, Firebringer wrote:classey

yeah this guy is the definition of class

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Post Post #20833  (isolation #431)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:31 pm

who's taking what too far?

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Post Post #20834  (isolation #432)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:31 pm

In post 20832, chennisden wrote:i know people who refuse to vote certain dems or dem at all because of this

they might be garbage people

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Post Post #20842  (isolation #433)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:11 pm

In post 20838, Persivul wrote:
In post 20833, shaft.ed wrote:who's taking what too far?

SJWs are taking identity politics and demonization of their opponents too far.

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Post Post #20848  (isolation #434)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:15 pm

In post 20844, Persivul wrote:if their positions are reasonably close to his.

doing a lot of heavy lifting in that statement

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Post Post #20851  (isolation #435)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:18 pm

In post 20850, kuribo wrote:
In post 20844, Persivul wrote:That's how you see it, because you see everything through identity. He's fine with people of the same races, gender etc. if their positions are reasonably close to his.


ah, so people of color only have the right to exist if they agree with him?

I'm pretty sure that's called racism.

but Ben Carson is black

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Post Post #20855  (isolation #436)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:22 pm

In post 20852, kuribo wrote:
In post 20851, shaft.ed wrote:but Ben Carson is black


ben carson also thinks the Pyramids held grain

so he agrees with Trump
meets criteria number 2

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Post Post #20858  (isolation #437)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:23 pm

In post 20854, Persivul wrote:not their identity.

so why does he attack their identity?

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Post Post #20861  (isolation #438)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:25 pm

jfc

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Post Post #20866  (isolation #439)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:27 pm

GD Theresea May and her identity politics
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trum ... quad-tweet

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Post Post #20868  (isolation #440)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:29 pm

In post 20867, Psyche wrote:also what does the count of women of color in congress have to do with what i said..?

because if he was racist he would attack all 47 women of color obv
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Post Post #20888  (isolation #441)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:40 pm

In post 20872, Creature wrote:idk why people are so obsessed with politicians that want to divide people into groups.

because he's the president?

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Post Post #20889  (isolation #442)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:41 pm

In post 20875, kuribo wrote:
In post 20869, Creature wrote:
In post 20843, kuribo wrote:
In post 20838, Persivul wrote:
In post 20833, shaft.ed wrote:who's taking what too far?

SJWs are taking identity politics and demonization of their opponents too far.


Counterpoint: white nationalists also make politics about identity


And it's kinda fucking hard to keep identity out of politics when one party advocates treating people poorly BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR FUCKING SKIN.

Both sides are being bad tbh.


Yeah I'm a real asshole for thinking "go back where you came from" is a shitty thing to say to Americans and for thinking "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US" is an unacceptable viewpoint.

GFY.
but the left said sexual assault is bad so both sides

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Post Post #20895  (isolation #443)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:44 pm

In post 20879, chennisden wrote:The left either needs to stop giving the right stuff to manipulate or needs to start manipulating stuff themselves

I'd prefer the former.
they manipulate everything
wtf?
Proposing health care for all Americans was turned into "libs want to make death panels that will decide if your grandma gets killed or not"
Max Cleland, a trimple amputee war vet was described as a terrorist supporting Osama bin Laden because he was against critical of a troop surge during phase three of the endless war in Iraq


there is nothing they will not manipulate

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Post Post #20897  (isolation #444)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:45 pm

In post 20883, Psyche wrote:god you're so naive persival

youre giving a huge benefit of the doubt
this is about trolling the libs

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Post Post #20898  (isolation #445)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:46 pm

In post 20885, chennisden wrote:Btw another reason the left should shut up about shit nobody cares about like Captain Marvel is because when stuff like this happens people are just gonna say "the left is crying wolf again"

You need to distinguish between stuff nobody gives two fucks about and unacceptable stuff like half of what comes out of Trump's mouth

who the fuck said anything about Captain Marvel?
the president tweeted to the world that 4 elected Congressmembers need to go back to the country they came from and Captain Marvel is the problem?

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Post Post #20932  (isolation #446)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:42 pm

In post 20899, Creature wrote:I call both sides bad.

we got that
thanks for reminding us

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Post Post #20938  (isolation #447)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:52 pm

You're saying you want racism to stop
but you think bothsiderism is the solution

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Post Post #20942  (isolation #448)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:59 pm

In post 20939, Persivul wrote:That's the point where you start losing people in the middle.

appreciate your concern
but you have the wrong side losing people in the middle
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... back-tweet

it's the racists

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Post Post #20943  (isolation #449)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:00 pm

In post 20941, Creature wrote:
In post 20938, shaft.ed wrote:You're saying you want racism to stop
but you think bothsiderism is the solution

No, I'm saying grouping people into oppressors vs oppressed based on race, gender, whatever then attacking the "oppressors" is also unacceptable.
so how should one fight back against racism?

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Post Post #20950  (isolation #450)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:04 pm

In post 20946, Creature wrote:
In post 20943, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 20941, Creature wrote:
In post 20938, shaft.ed wrote:You're saying you want racism to stop
but you think bothsiderism is the solution

No, I'm saying grouping people into oppressors vs oppressed based on race, gender, whatever then attacking the "oppressors" is also unacceptable.
so how should one fight back against racism?

Definitely not calling the other side evil.
so racism isn't evil?

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Post Post #20951  (isolation #451)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:05 pm

In post 20948, Persivul wrote:
In post 20942, shaft.ed wrote:appreciate your concern
but you have the wrong side losing people in the middle
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... back-tweet

it's the racists

According to the polls, Hillary is president. Go figure.
keep pwning the libs

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Post Post #20959  (isolation #452)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:12 pm

In post 20956, Creature wrote:
In post 20950, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 20946, Creature wrote:
In post 20943, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 20941, Creature wrote:
In post 20938, shaft.ed wrote:You're saying you want racism to stop
but you think bothsiderism is the solution

No, I'm saying grouping people into oppressors vs oppressed based on race, gender, whatever then attacking the "oppressors" is also unacceptable.
so how should one fight back against racism?

Definitely not calling the other side evil.
so racism isn't evil?

I'm referring to calling white people evil.

who's calling all white people evil?

we're calling supporters of evil people evil

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Post Post #20964  (isolation #453)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:14 pm

oh shit!

I just realized kuribo is white
damn it I agree with an evil

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Post Post #20973  (isolation #454)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:24 pm

In post 20968, Creature wrote:
In post 20838, Persivul wrote:
In post 20833, shaft.ed wrote:who's taking what too far?

SJWs are taking identity politics and demonization of their opponents too far.

Again, that's the side I called bad.

so who are the SJW's in this argument
we've determined the president is a racist
which actor in our example is the SJW?

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Post Post #20975  (isolation #455)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:25 pm

In post 20969, Persivul wrote:
In post 20959, shaft.ed wrote:who's calling all white people evil?

No one. It's just white cis hetero males.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... be-epithet

so which leader of the Democratic party is using white male as an epithet?

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Post Post #20980  (isolation #457)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:55 pm

But he's only attacking Omar because of his policy disagreements
he doesn't disagree with his wife

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Post Post #20989  (isolation #458)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:27 pm

In post 20981, Creature wrote:This new gen is even more fucked up.

can you get back to me Re: who the SJW's were that you were talking about previously?

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Post Post #20991  (isolation #459)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:32 pm

In post 20988, Fluminator wrote:Millenials are actually the worst generation ever. We are so screwed when we start running the world.

my interactions with the kids today have left me pretty impressed

I'm more worried about what happens when people end up in a position where they feel they are fighting for scarce resources
that brings out the worst in people
and our current economic structure makes it more likely than previous

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Post Post #20992  (isolation #460)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:33 pm

In post 20990, Creature wrote:
In post 20989, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 20981, Creature wrote:This new gen is even more fucked up.

can you get back to me Re: who the SJW's were that you were talking about previously?

I have one national example I can tell from my head only.
I can give you examples of tens to hundreds of prominent racists if you like
so...

both sides I guess

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Post Post #20995  (isolation #461)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:36 pm

In post 20993, Creature wrote:
In post 20992, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 20990, Creature wrote:
In post 20989, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 20981, Creature wrote:This new gen is even more fucked up.

can you get back to me Re: who the SJW's were that you were talking about previously?

I have one national example I can tell from my head only.
I can give you examples of tens to hundreds of prominent racists if you like
so...

both sides I guess

Is it reasonable to call white people trash?
who is calling white people trash?
seriously
where do you come with these statement?

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Post Post #20999  (isolation #462)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:42 pm

In post 20997, Creature wrote:Still, don't you feel people are more open to openly calling white people trash, evil, whatever? Not saying it should be punishable, but it's definitely not good.

no
'people' are not doing this

I don't know where you get this idea


We have leaders of a political party using openly racist speech for years that is boiling over to chants at political rallies where thousands are chanting said racist chants

Not a single prominent politician or activist on the left if calling white people trash or evil
they are calling the racist people that are saying demonstrably racist things all out in the open for everyone to see evil
yes they happen to be white people (for the most part) but that doesn't translate them to calling white people evil

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Post Post #21002  (isolation #463)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:44 pm

god I keep forgetting you're from Brazil and that's not America

I don't know much about the politics going on there
but you might not want to insert yourself into political discussions of things which you don't seem to have full knowledge
especially making such declarative statements

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Post Post #21004  (isolation #464)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:47 pm

its so confusing when alts talk to themselves

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Post Post #21005  (isolation #465)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:54 pm


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Post Post #21018  (isolation #466)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:36 pm

In post 21007, Creature wrote:When a politician is SJW, I mostly expect them to only work for some certain groups. I don't expect them to come up with buildings, scientifical researches, innovations that will upgrade a large group of lives. I mostly expect them to create institutions supposedly representing these groups they consider oppressed as if all they needed was an institution or something. Like, imagine building a lot of "LGBT rights comission" buildings over say schools.

but this is where you are heavily mistaken
by and large, the American politicians closest to the SJW label are the ones that are seeking real meaningful advancement in our society that will lift up the most people

these are actionable items that will greatly improve quality of life in our country

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Post Post #21020  (isolation #467)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:38 pm

In post 21017, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 20822, Persivul wrote:Funny thing is that Trump will win again because you guys can't admit that he knows what he's doing, and so won't develop effective counters.

Isn't Trump's legal defense that he didn't know what was going on when most of his campaign staff was committed finance violations?
That was his old defense
his new legal defense is Bill Barr burns down the entire DoJ

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Post Post #21117  (isolation #468)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:46 pm

In post 21057, chennisden wrote:Algebra 2
Geometry
Precalc
Calculus

I mean I'm old and all but when I was in HS these were all p much optional (I think you maybe had to do one of Algebra 2 or Geometry)

how the fuck can anyone get through life without a basic math education?

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Post Post #21118  (isolation #469)  » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:49 pm

In post 21084, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 21066, Kublai Khan wrote:math forms the base of all logical thought and problem solving

Hard disagree, and this excess trust in math is how you get Ben Shaprio styled rhetoric

the math that foisted Ben Shapiro on us is that Billionaires have lots of money to throw around at useful idiots

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Post Post #21162  (isolation #470)  » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:49 pm

In post 21135, chennisden wrote:(1) Okay, but why not practice studying with what actually interests you? There are so many things out there - learning about rocks can't possibly help me more than learning, in my case, math? We're a very specialized society and being a jack of all trades is good, but specializing earlier when you already know what you want to do is better.

dude
you expect most people to know what they want to do with the rest of their life as a young teenager?
My wife is 41 and still trying to figure out what she wants to do with herself

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Post Post #21167  (isolation #471)  » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:16 pm

In post 21165, kuribo wrote:and a lot of teenagers specializing in fucking and smoking weed
i mean
this was probably the most popular field of study in my HS

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Post Post #21176  (isolation #472)  » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:18 pm

In post 21174, kuribo wrote:It's important that you understand why you're wrong though

5 paragraphs
due Monday

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Post Post #21196  (isolation #473)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:38 am

In post 21192, Persivul wrote:Good news - racism has declined since the election of Trump:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3378076
We find that via most measures, white Americans' expressed anti-Black and anti-Hispanic prejudice declined after the 2016 campaign and election, and we can rule out even small increases in the expression of prejudice.

its amazing that some people can experience shame

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Post Post #21199  (isolation #474)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:45 am

In post 21197, Fluminator wrote:For the record I suspect that scientific study is garbage and biased, but I remember the last time someone posted a heavily biased study in favour of a liberal viewpoint here, and I doubted it, people came in saying I shouldn't doubt science and that people like me was why public opinion was moving against science in general.
So...

sure it's based off of a single data point essentially, I didn't check their significance values, I'd guess that'd be about a 1%-5% chance its noise

but i wouldn't be surprised if seeing the disgusting overt racism all over the place since Trump took over hasn't changed the perceptions of onlookers

I mean we just got this from the Republican party in Illinois

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Post Post #21201  (isolation #475)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:51 am

basically
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Post Post #21203  (isolation #476)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:41 am

that assumes the number of racists matches the number of non-racists
I'd put the overt racists at about 1/3 to 1/4 or so

but yeah it would be interesting to see if there was a split. Did they mention variance going up?

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Post Post #21223  (isolation #477)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:55 pm

In post 21217, Psyche wrote:doing it twice means the comparison is to a baseline
so this thing you say barely anyone is willing to do - they nonetheless found a significant change in people's willingness to do it from one timepoint to another

they were surveyed seven times from 2008-2019 for questions about blacks
and five times from 2012 to 2019 for questions about hispanics

blacks had a p-value of 0.01 for the last time point
hispanics had a p-value of 0.05 for the last time point

if they removed outliers with extreme scores on either side, these values of significance went away

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Post Post #21224  (isolation #478)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:57 pm

In post 21222, Ginngie wrote:It's more a shotgun blast instead of trying to needle the point

The farthest I've made it was with my dad saying "there MAY be a part where race comes into play"

At this point I know it's hopeless but I like to see how far I can get
i've been there already
it loops back around to lefties using white male (cis-hets?) as a term of derision so both sides
viewtopic.php?p=11120852#p11120852

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Post Post #21228  (isolation #479)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:10 pm

And it was loaded with insightful commentary like

Women have more career options because it's socially acceptable for them to stay at home
and because they make up more higher ed students, which totally corresponds to their representation among people with high powered careers requiring those degrees

And they don't have to sign up for the Selective Service, which is totally the same things as the draft and literally means we men could all be shipped off to 'nam at any minute

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Post Post #21230  (isolation #480)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:13 pm

In post 21229, Psyche wrote:ty for reading the paper for me i really didn't feel like it

that previous post was for Gingie re: Men's rights link

The article I just looked at the two graphs, which didn't even have error bars on them, you had to look at the table to find the deviations
who does that?

but it's UPenn, so reputable

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Post Post #21232  (isolation #481)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:21 pm

this also appears to be a pre-publication depository
so keep in mind this hasn't yet been peer reviewed from what I can tell

I couldn't find an in print version of this research

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Post Post #21239  (isolation #482)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:52 pm

In post 21236, Psyche wrote:does peer review even do anything — like beyond in theory?

at most it just kicks bad research down to low impact factor journals
and tends to keep obviously faked science out of high impact journals

in my field at least, it tends to improve the quality of research
but it's also used as a dirty networking tool by some so...

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Post Post #21240  (isolation #483)  » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:57 pm

I'm not a fan of the preprint publication outlets
but people are starting to use it in my area

i think most that do it are trying to establish pissing rights that they were first to the discovery
a few are doing it as a way to disseminate information that they know a lot of people are waiting on, which is pretty valuable. But journals themselves are getting faster at publishing often releasing online versions of manuscripts months before the print version comes out

i think the bigger problem with unreviewed papers, is you just dont know if this is something that basically accepted in a journal and will come out about the same in a couple weeks time, or if this is nonsense that will never survive peer review.
If you're in the field, obviously you can discern, but if youre less familiar I dont really know how you tell the difference

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Post Post #21247  (isolation #484)  » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:39 am

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Post Post #21248  (isolation #485)  » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:41 am

In post 21242, Persivul wrote:Mueller testifies, and not a single post in the Trump thread... wonder why... :lol:

keep fuckin that chicken while your party defends the honor of the Russian government

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Post Post #21249  (isolation #486)  » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:43 am

or how bout that time we verified Trump's campaign manager was getting paid for sending polling data to a hostile foreign government?

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Post Post #21250  (isolation #487)  » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:45 am

or how the whole team is just using this a giant payoff, Trump included?


but yeah, you're just happy because you got a tax cut
if that's true, your support is very cheaply bought

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Post Post #21252  (isolation #488)  » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:34 am

In post 21251, chamber wrote:I think its fair to admit that the hearing wasn't what the democrats wanted it to be. Mueller doesn't play as well on camera as Comey did, and wasn't interested in being used as a prop to make his report more digestible for the public.

its also fair to admit that everything already in the report makes clear that we have a POTUS more interested in himself and foreign dictators than the public good

and the hearings made clear we have a political party more interested in preserving the good name of Russia than american democracy
in fact aligning with Russia is their hope of removing the dirty voting part of our democracy

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Post Post #21281  (isolation #489)  » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:50 pm

not cutting taxes

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Post Post #21284  (isolation #490)  » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:10 pm

In post 21283, T-Bone wrote:even worse you don't care

he picked himself up by his bootstraps
everyone else should
QED

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Post Post #21314  (isolation #491)  » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:28 pm

it was really racist

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Post Post #21317  (isolation #492)  » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:50 am

but Psyche
we're all racist
so *shrugmoji*

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Post Post #21322  (isolation #493)  » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:10 pm

Definitely something the most transparent administration in history would do
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... licans-sue

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Post Post #21331  (isolation #494)  » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:36 am

In post 21329, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 21328, Persivul wrote:
In post 21323, theplague42 wrote:Imagine thinking that "our guy is the only one not being transparent, so this transparency law is a political attack" is a good defense.

Pretty sure it's unnecessary, as I doubt it's legal for a state to add to the requirements for a national office, but: as an addition, yeah, it's a pretty good defense.

Demanding transparency is a political attack now? Man, you are going to hate this Trump guy and the Republican party.

During the Obama president Trump constantly attacked Obama on his lack of transparency because he would release his college applications, college transcripts, passport application, birth certicificate, LONGFORM birth certificate. Shit, Republicans were 100% about transparency and didn't think it was a political attack, they just wanted to know who the president was. Just for comfort and reassurance.

But now we have a president with world-wide business interests and real estate holdings that he never divested himself from (putting your kids in charge is not a blind trust). Plus he doesn't release his tax records and he is openly and publicly meddling with business dealings with the US and other countries, including tariffs, sanctions (both addition and removal), and currency manipulation. He knows his words/tweets have impact on stock prices. What reassurance do we have that he isn't short-selling the United States for personal profit?

Are you still enough of a fool to take him at his word?

he got his tax cuts

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Post Post #21344  (isolation #495)  » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:37 am

tha fuck man

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Post Post #21347  (isolation #496)  » Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:18 pm

In post 21345, Equinox wrote:Resilience is great and all, but I think calling them "strong and unbreakable" as an excuse to do jack shit about our domestic terrorism and white supremacy problems is unconscionable.

i more had to pick my jaw up off the floor from the image of his thumbs up paired with shit eating grin while FLOTUS is holding a baby that just became an orphan because his parents blanketed him to prevent a terrorist from killing him with an assault rifle

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Post Post #21352  (isolation #497)  » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:53 pm

from what i've heard the cons are testing the waters to see if the NRA still has any clout to attack them with before deciding on whether to keep bowing to the people that supply the money or to do something the vast majority of the populace supports

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Post Post #21360  (isolation #498)  » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:46 pm

In post 21359, Psyche wrote:the frustrating thing to me about this situation is how even the most apparently neutral, common sense laws seem to require so much effort to get passed even when the public seems so ready to see them happen.

organizations with money can kill a candidate whether off or on issue
Its the same reason many pols are pro-corporate
because they don't want to draw the ire of monied business groups

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Post Post #21391  (isolation #499)  » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:46 am

In post 21390, Psyche wrote:don't really remember much socialism in the bible

dont remember guns either

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Post Post #21447  (isolation #500)  » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:31 am

In post 21425, Inferno390 wrote:The problem is that now people take that to “The church shouldn’t interfere with politics at all!” Which is dumb because that was never the intention in the first place. Religion is supposed to guide state to the proper form of government through its moral work. People who bitch about legislature that is only for “moral reasons” are imo just whining because it infringes on what they want to do. Morals are all good and dandy until they conflict with your own desires, then they go out the window. Hence why we have a country in outrage over mass shootings and gun control, but no one giving a shit about thousands of unborn babies being aborted. (And yes, I know this is an extreme and is far more complicated than I am making it out to be and such. It’s exaggeration for a point. And I honestly don’t care if you think shit of me for doing so.)
wow
thats a lot of wrong

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Post Post #21455  (isolation #501)  » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:49 am

he didn't kill him

he just verbalized the underlying cause of the constant pile ons

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Post Post #21518  (isolation #502)  » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:13 pm

In post 21463, Inferno390 wrote:What am i supposed to do with this?

you dont need to say anything
you need to reflect on why its so wrong

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Post Post #21522  (isolation #503)  » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:22 pm

In post 21521, Psyche wrote:flum threw you a bone

and got shit on
much as flum described in his post

we've all been shit on
that's why we don't bother with any attempts at discussion of the 'open minded' postings

and just say inferno is infernoing again, lulz

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Post Post #21543  (isolation #504)  » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:13 pm

Sure let's indulge your extremely wrong post with a point by point

In post 21425, Inferno390 wrote:The problem is that now people take that to “The church shouldn’t interfere with politics at all!” Which is dumb because that was never the intention in the first place.
Please tell us why the church should interfere with politics, and how the separation of church and state isn't the intention of those who set up the system in the first place.

Religion is supposed to guide state to the proper form of government through its moral work.
Have you ever considered how offensive such a statement is to an atheist? Do you care at all? In what way is religion supposed to guide the state? Where do you draw that conclusion from, as I don't see anything in our founding documents telling us about how churches have a sway over our government. What part of no religious test for office indicates that religious bodies are meant to have influence on our government? How would this be achieved via 'moral work'? This sentence is a weird hybrid of extremely offensive and non-sensical word salad.

People who bitch about legislature that is only for “moral reasons” are imo just whining because it infringes on what they want to do.
How do you go from religion to morals? Do you thus believe areligious = amoral? Are you talking about religious bigots like Hobby Lobby or proponents of gay rights, I can't even tell? Left to infer you just mean people who don't share your morals.

Morals are all good and dandy until they conflict with your own desires, then they go out the window. Hence why we have a country in outrage over mass shootings and gun control, but no one giving a shit about thousands of unborn babies being aborted. (And yes, I know this is an extreme and is far more complicated than I am making it out to be and such. It’s exaggeration for a point. And I honestly don’t care if you think shit of me for doing so.)
OK so its just people who disagree with your morals

and for the thousandth time, babies by definition cannot be aborted

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Post Post #21583  (isolation #505)  » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:57 am

In post 21549, Vijarada wrote:nobody ever piles on me despite being the same age and having the same self-assurance and lack of knowledge

fake it til you make it

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Post Post #21584  (isolation #506)  » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:59 am

In post 21567, Panzerjager wrote:
In post 21560, Persivul wrote:
In post 21387, Panzerjager wrote:Healthcare + no guns, sign me up

If you guys really thought that Trump was a fascist dictator who intends to remain in power after 2024, you wouldn't want to take guns away.


So let me get this straight. Your plan in the face of autocracy is to fight the most well-funded military, as well as one of the most well-trained ones, with a militia armed with gunshow assault rifles? Good luck taking on an Oshkosh in your fucking Dodge Ram, dude. Imma emigrate.
Red Dawn was a documentary

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Post Post #21585  (isolation #507)  » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:01 am

In post 21578, Persivul wrote:
In post 21577, chamber wrote:He's only one man. Others need to listen to him.

Are you arguing that his rabid racist gun-totin' following really isn't a significant thing?

If so, I agree.
works great for stochastic terrorism

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Post Post #21586  (isolation #508)  » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:02 am

In post 21581, Ginngie wrote:
In post 21580, Persivul wrote:So, not a significant thing in context of this discussion, which is about Trump being/aspiring to be a dictator.

I think having an attorney general who openly says he wants a police state and zero tolerance for not complying with cops.

I quote Bill Barr
"We need to get back to basics. We need public voices, in the media and elsewhere, to underscore the need to “Comply first, and, if warranted, complain later.” This will make everyone safe – the police, suspects, and the community at large. And those who resist must be prosecuted for that crime. We must have zero tolerance for resisting police. This will save lives."


That's a police state

Look at China dude, thats the future.


Also fucking hilarious Barr says not to resist police when he's literally in contempt of congress himself.

It's so blatantly obvious

but owning the libs and tax cuts are clearly more important, Genuine

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Post Post #21588  (isolation #509)  » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:09 am

its almost like there isnt a transition phase
you just wake up one day
"hey guys, we're a police state now"
*shakes fist*

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Post Post #21596  (isolation #510)  » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:27 am

In post 21593, Psyche wrote:why are all you guys accepting persival's premise that trump's a fascist dictator who intends to remain in power after 2024...

because we're exhausted and there are only so many bullshit points to dispute in the course of a day

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Post Post #21603  (isolation #511)  » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:34 pm

In post 21600, Persivul wrote:that Trump is or intends to be a fascist dictator

those goalposts have legs

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Post Post #21722  (isolation #512)  » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:48 pm

if only there was a video of the event so we could figure out what really happened

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Post Post #21741  (isolation #513)  » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:49 am

In post 21739, Fluminator wrote:
In post 21735, chamber wrote:Systemic racism against people with a given skin colour can be performed by people of that skin colour.
Wow, how did you guys ever get the civil rights act passed?

http://pulitzercenter.org/sites/default ... roject.pdf

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Post Post #21785  (isolation #514)  » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:36 pm

In post 21767, Fluminator wrote:This looks like it could be interesting. It might take me a few years to read it though lol. (I'll bookmark it.)

I'm about a third through
I'm learning a lot and I would have considered myself decently informed

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Post Post #21786  (isolation #515)  » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:40 pm

In post 21784, Psyche wrote:anyway what are we arguing about now i skipped a lot of wallposts and now im lost

the 2nd Amendment can't be repealed, so we shouldn't repeal the 2nd Amendment

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Post Post #21858  (isolation #516)  » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:09 am

In post 21857, Ginngie wrote:my tone being sassy

that gets you a time out

go sit in the corner

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Post Post #21868  (isolation #517)  » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:38 am

In post 21867, Psyche wrote:if you start making people get licenses for gun ownership it'll be easier to ban guns down the line

but the 2nd amendment says we can't do that
so whats the worry

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Post Post #21881  (isolation #518)  » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:29 pm

phew, looks like that question was answered at least
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trum ... yal-israel
Trump asserted on Wednesday that American Jews who vote for Democrats are “being very disloyal to Jewish people” and “to Israel.”

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Post Post #21912  (isolation #519)  » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:13 pm

In post 21908, GreyICE wrote:So our fearless leader has tweeted images taken from a spy drone of the Iranian satellite launch. Thus publicly revealing that yes, we do fly spy drones over Iranian territory. While obvious, we were maintaining a level of plausible deniability about it regarding the spy drone Iran shot down.

More worrying is if he'd tweet human-gathered intel, thus putting lives in jeopardy. What do you do when you're in charge of delivering security briefings to the President, but unsure if he's a security risk?

but her emails

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Post Post #21919  (isolation #520)  » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:41 pm

In post 21917, chamber wrote:It's not about making it still Clinton vs Trump. It's about highlighting the hypocrisy from the conservative politicians.

dont forget the media

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Post Post #21929  (isolation #521)  » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:03 pm

In post 21920, Fluminator wrote:Can you link to any conservative pundit or media members still talking about her emails?

stills not the point

point is the run up to the election

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Post Post #21930  (isolation #522)  » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:08 pm

In post 21925, Flubbernugget wrote:You'd think a dude with a phd would be capable of thinking a little less...autonomously

one of the most important things I learned was succinct communication

'but her emails' tells a novel length saga in three words

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Post Post #21934  (isolation #523)  » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:36 pm

In post 21931, Equinox wrote:
In post 21930, shaft.ed wrote:succinct communication

abridged for people on the go
dusting off some ancient gimmicks

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Post Post #21938  (isolation #524)  » Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:50 pm

In post 21935, James Brafin wrote:
In post 21934, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 21931, Equinox wrote:
In post 21930, shaft.ed wrote:succinct communication

abridged for people on the go
dusting off some ancient gimmicks

I think the technical term, at least on this site, is "straw manning"

no
about 8- 10 years or so ago, my main gimmick was to shorten people's wall posts into 1 or 2 lines and reply with

"abridged for people on the go"

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Post Post #21940  (isolation #525)  » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:59 pm

^5

shame no one wall posts anymore

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Post Post #21948  (isolation #526)  » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:56 pm

In post 21945, Flubbernugget wrote:Part of Hillary's ineptitude was her inability to weather last minute scandals

yeah any competent presidential candidate shouldn't have trouble with the head of the FBI announcing an investigation reopening a week before the election
what a loser

oh, and let's not forget about the uber liberal NYT releasing its own report with anonymous sources within the FBI saying that there was no Trump Russia connection

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Post Post #21950  (isolation #527)  » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:56 pm

In post 21949, Flubbernugget wrote:It's her past track record of slander that she brought with her to the election and how it makes her flaws resonate.
and its the same machine that built the email story

it's all included in the three word post

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Post Post #21952  (isolation #528)  » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:42 pm

I'm really not sure what you're on about now.

And I am capable of multitasking.
I can post snide 3 word catch phrase quips AND pay attention to the bottomless pit of corruption that is swallowing the world.
It's not difficult

In post 21945, Flubbernugget wrote:The media does try to play into a both sides rhetoric but that's not what happened with the email scandal.
And with comments like this, I'm really not sure if you completely grasp my point in the first place
the reason the press blew up the email scandal was to put its thumb on the election scales to present the election as horse race to bring in more revenue
which (combined with the aristocracy owning most of the news media wanting to keep the rabble down) is the major driving force behind bothsiderism

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Post Post #21955  (isolation #529)  » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:45 pm

ffs
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Post Post #21959  (isolation #530)  » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:03 pm

In post 21958, Kublai Khan wrote:it's actually a federal crime to falsify government hurricane maps.

But it's okay. presidents can get away with breaking the law as long as they are republican and are protected by a republican senate.

its also the usual, it was so shitily falsified that no one would take it as a serious attempt at fraud

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Post Post #21981  (isolation #531)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:42 pm

more surprised it was Camp David and not Trump Tower

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Post Post #22010  (isolation #532)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:02 pm

In post 22009, Equinox wrote:we fucked up the entire region.

multiple generations going

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Post Post #22067  (isolation #533)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:16 am

In post 22019, Flubbernugget wrote:Doesn't it get tiring after a while?

pwning the libs is fun

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Post Post #22069  (isolation #534)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:21 am

In post 22053, Dongempire wrote:all erdogan did is build roads and dip the economy lol. Nothing unrecoverable.

didnt he also jail a bunch of professors because he didn't want an educated secular opposition?

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Post Post #22070  (isolation #535)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:23 am

The great leader cannot fail, he can only be failed
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1VV11U

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Post Post #22076  (isolation #536)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:49 am

In post 22072, panthaleon wrote:It's really distressing how many people still support Trump given how demonstrably unfit his is for the presidency. I guess if they ever admitted they were wrong, though, they would have to vote for a Democrat. And Democrats are obviously evil.
and on and on


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Post Post #22077  (isolation #537)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:51 am

In post 22074, Dongempire wrote:
In post 22069, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 22053, Dongempire wrote:all erdogan did is build roads and dip the economy lol. Nothing unrecoverable.

didnt he also jail a bunch of professors because he didn't want an educated secular opposition?

He jailed a lot of journalists after 15 july, but i didnt hear about professors being jailed. I can understand if he did do it though since his following is mostly uneducated hardcore muslims. It might have been something that happened in the east, thats where it would have mattered more since western cities are already very secular
I'm in academia and worked with people from Turkey
they were terrified around the time of the attempted coup
he was locking up anyone that he could pretend was tied to or even had good thoughts about overthrowing him

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Post Post #22081  (isolation #538)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:53 am

In post 22080, Persivul wrote:why do shithole countries keep hitting themselves?

abridged for people on the go

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Post Post #22117  (isolation #539)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:47 pm

tbf though, a massive stimulus of the current wave of immigration from S/C America is due to climate change induced crop failures and subsequent social collapse
i think the US only gets partial credit for that

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Post Post #22159  (isolation #540)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:26 pm

In post 22151, Fluminator wrote:Persivul, I think everyone agrees that the standard of life in America (and it's western allies) is higher than most other countries in the world, and all of history. The point we're trying to say is, it came at a high cost for other countries.

and that it didn't necessarily have to come at that cost

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Post Post #22162  (isolation #541)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:31 pm

In post 22154, theplague42 wrote:Great twitter thread on how terrible the US was during the Bush Jr years https://twitter.com/unabanned/status/11 ... 7609657345

can you @Biden everytime he mentions reasonable Republicans plz?

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Post Post #22181  (isolation #542)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:23 pm

In post 22172, Persivul wrote:all the world's problems

yes thats exactly what we said

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Post Post #22187  (isolation #543)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:53 pm

In post 22184, Psyche wrote:i feel like im fading from this site
the discussions have just gotten so staid

it just goes on in circles endlessly

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Post Post #22250  (isolation #544)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:02 am

this is trolling right?

this can't be real

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Post Post #22276  (isolation #545)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:44 am

In post 22269, Persivul wrote:ALL life - not just human - has value.
Humans have fucked up the planet for most/all life. (This scenario assumes global warming and resulting catastrophes actually take place.)
So, all life on earth would be better off without humans.

if we knew this was the starting point a lot of these discussions would have been so less painful

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Post Post #22377  (isolation #546)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:58 am

In post 22287, Zulfy wrote:If Persivul was actually smart he'd be like, likeable lmao

uh
do you mean he specifically or people in general
cause loads of smart people are unpleasant

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Post Post #22439  (isolation #547)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:24 pm

In post 22379, Dongempire wrote:I dont know about you, but the majority of people dont go killing bacteria that dont actively harm them. I think that not wanting to rot is a good enough excuse.

wah?

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Post Post #22441  (isolation #548)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:36 pm

In post 22437, T-Bone wrote:
In post 22270, Persivul wrote:
In post 22268, James Brafin wrote:I'll be honest, this isn't just s dumb argument. It's insane.
You're saying that it doesn't matter what you do or what happens, even if others die for it, because no lives matter.
Isn't that like fringe sociopathic? Having no moral compass and not caring if someone dies or not?

Apparently you missed that I'm arguing from a world view which I don't actually hold.


And...it hasn't occurred to you that this is why that people are atrrributing horrible viewpoints to you that you claim to not have?

Maybe try arguing from your own world view like everyone else, and there would be less dumb fights and more substance. If you're going to be intellectually dishonest, you should be shocked when people treat you as intellectually dishonest.

Like, I liked when you are things based on what you believe in. We don't need anyone occupying a contrarian space just for the sake of being contrarian.
i think you're actually giving him too much of a benefit of the doubt that after realizing he misread a graph decided to turn into a nihilist to pwn the libs more

i mean all the well known nihilists were primarily focused on settling down and providing for a family

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Post Post #22444  (isolation #549)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:48 pm

In post 22440, GreyICE wrote:making lasers work.
they should really unionize

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Post Post #22445  (isolation #550)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:50 pm

In post 22443, Dongempire wrote:
In post 22439, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 22379, Dongempire wrote:I dont know about you, but the majority of people dont go killing bacteria that dont actively harm them. I think that not wanting to rot is a good enough excuse.

wah?

?

people kill bacteria all the time with no need

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Post Post #22450  (isolation #551)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:23 pm

In post 22447, Dongempire wrote:
In post 22445, shaft.ed wrote:people kill bacteria all the time with no need

Well there are both helpfull and harmfull bacteria. If someone is killing them by lets say washing their hands then they have a reason to do it and that is so you dont get potentially infected, people dont kill helpfull bacteria like the ones in the stomach
And on a larger scale scientists dont just go around killing bacteria for the lulz, i dont really get what you're getting at
antibiotics are hugely over prescribed to people
they are also needlessly used on industrial farms to increase yields

people use cleaners like Lysol in their homes all the time to kill bacteria that aren't necessary but are advertised as being super important because bacteria are 'bad'. This behavior has been linked to increased allergy rates in newer generations

Personal hygiene is also overboard from a health and wellness perspective for most in the developed world. Aside from washing your hands to reduce rates of propagation for certain sicknesses, its not that important for most people's day to day life. Daily showers/baths etc. are not really important sickness protection but certainly kill a lot of bacteria.

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Post Post #22457  (isolation #552)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:45 pm

In post 22453, Psyche wrote:scientists would get *loads* of money if they could convincingly show that climate change isn't really a crisis you have no idea what the incentive structure in the field is

i mean there are a couple 'scientists' that have cashed in
this guy for example

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Post Post #22502  (isolation #553)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:48 pm

In post 22500, GreyICE wrote:Do you have any issue with it?

people were paid to produce the data

checkmate libs

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Post Post #22604  (isolation #554)  » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:18 am

In post 22571, Errantparabola wrote:sorry i will stop punctuating this discussion with my shitposting (and shit posting)
imo, this discussion has been mostly shitposting, tbh

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Post Post #22605  (isolation #555)  » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:22 am

In post 22588, Dongempire wrote:Moat humans living on the world dont threaten anyones life, so they shouldnt die

what?

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Post Post #22606  (isolation #556)  » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:26 am

In post 22598, James Brafin wrote:The earth will be dead.

not really
nuclear armageddon is probly the only manmade scenario that could lead to a completely uninhabitable earth, but even then some life will likely keep going

life is paradoxically both extremely fragile and extremely persistent

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Post Post #22608  (isolation #557)  » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:28 am

In post 22602, TDC wrote:I don't think model means what you think it means.

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Post Post #22612  (isolation #558)  » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:34 am

In post 22609, Dongempire wrote:
In post 22605, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 22588, Dongempire wrote:Moat humans living on the world dont threaten anyones life, so they shouldnt die

what?

Whats wrong man
I was answering this since he said humans deserve to get wiped out if global warming does occur
you realize humans kill other things at an alarming rate, right?

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Post Post #22613  (isolation #559)  » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:35 am

In post 22611, Dongempire wrote:at least conventional multicelled organisms would be wiped out even if bacteria and the like remain

nah, I'm sure there would be some complex species that survive fine
some will likely thrive

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Post Post #22625  (isolation #560)  » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:37 am

In post 22616, Dongempire wrote:
In post 22612, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 22609, Dongempire wrote:
In post 22605, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 22588, Dongempire wrote:Moat humans living on the world dont threaten anyones life, so they shouldnt die

what?

Whats wrong man
I was answering this since he said humans deserve to get wiped out if global warming does occur
you realize humans kill other things at an alarming rate, right?

not my point, humans do kill other people but thats a less than a %1 of all population
same with global warming, a small amount of the population fucks up all of the population by advocating more fossil fuel use or changing laws to benefit fuel companies
saying that all of humanity needs to die because they havent killed the billionaires doing the shitpants is lunacy

you were speaking of all life forms, not human on human violence

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Post Post #22717  (isolation #561)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:51 pm

In post 22691, Davsto wrote:this paragraph here is not right for multiple reasons

sums up the last 10 pages p well

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Post Post #22814  (isolation #562)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:30 pm

In post 22729, Fluminator wrote:They had to spend the majority of their lives working in the field or doing blue collar work to survive.

Most Boomers got fucked just like everyone else
the problem is their majorities kept(keep) voting in the people that do the fucking

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Post Post #22817  (isolation #563)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:38 pm

In post 22803, Creature wrote:
In post 22801, James Brafin wrote:I live in Oklahoma City, heart of the Red States. I have never met anyone as Red as you. Ever.

Hehe
I find that incredibly hard to believe

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Post Post #22922  (isolation #564)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:22 pm

In post 22920, Cheetory6 wrote:Why come he didn' live for our sins instead then huh smart guy?
Seems like would be better for him
duh

and hed be able to clarify all the confusing verbiage in the Bible
that'd be helpful

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Post Post #22932  (isolation #565)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:11 pm

In post 22930, Annadog40 wrote:
In post 22925, Psyche wrote:why would an omnipotent god have to go through trials and tribulations to achieve any outcome

Because they want to.
God's a LARPer

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Post Post #23034  (isolation #566)  » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:21 pm

In post 22974, Flubbernugget wrote:
panthaleon wrote:Man I guess I should have just stayed in the closet and kept going to church. I would probably have been happier overall.

I mean I guess or I would have killed myself. But Persivul found a study and Persivul is way smarter than all of us so idk what to believe.
If he got just one more "my kid is special" accolade to validate his parents' decision to put down the coat hanger he might have been able to get the difference between correlation and causation

not cool

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Post Post #23037  (isolation #567)  » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:26 pm

In post 23001, Equinox wrote:Oh, God, are people not supposed to be troubled by inequality?

eye of a needle and all that jazz

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Post Post #23045  (isolation #568)  » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:33 pm

In post 23015, Persivul wrote:
In post 23013, kuribo wrote:Boy that's a straw man fallacy and you know it.

"If you don't like injustice why don't you give away all your money?!"

Not all your money...just enough so that you all have the same. You know...equality.

Problem is that those making above the average aren't going to go along with it.
I make above average and I'd gladly go along with it
the problem is my above average income might help one or two families up to the mean

I know you know the income distributions in this country, so I'm not going to waste my time pulling up specifics underlying that an upper tiny fraction controls most of the wealth
so why the smart ass question?

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Post Post #23048  (isolation #569)  » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:34 pm

In post 23024, Psyche wrote:
In post 22967, Persivul wrote:Earlier when asked about advice I advocated religion and traditional values. That isn't just based on my own experience. Studies show that the religious are happier than the non- religious; marrieds are happier than singles; conservatives are happier than liberals. It seems that some traditional values became traditional because they actually work at making people happy.

ur pulling a lot of big conclusions from a few correlations
but mah climate science!

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Post Post #23054  (isolation #570)  » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:40 pm

Not to derail the thread or anything but what the hell man
so many layers

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Post Post #23057  (isolation #571)  » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:41 pm

In post 23052, Inferno390 wrote:You'll throw stuff at Perc all day for his poor views, but you fail to even consider that your take on religion is wrong.
youre right
we should have asked who was funding those studies before we got into the deets

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Post Post #23060  (isolation #572)  » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:44 pm

In post 23058, panthaleon wrote:Does this count as significant?

he's on record saying he's cool with the human race being wiped out

so prob not

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Post Post #23097  (isolation #573)  » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:16 pm

In post 23065, Inferno390 wrote:
In post 23062, GreyICE wrote:
In post 23052, Inferno390 wrote:It's kind of crazy to me how you guys will bash Perc for his views on climate change, but when it comes to religion you're just as ignorant and arrogant.

You'll throw stuff at Perc all day for his poor views, but you fail to even consider that your take on religion is wrong.

Kind of mind boggling

Oh good, so there's tons of evidence and theory that explicitly support the existence of a Christian God, right? Not just "any deity" but a specifically Christian deity - not Zeus, not Ra, not the god of Islam, not Krishna or Buddha or whatever - but specifically a Christian God, who wrote a book called the Bible, which is absolute truth without falsehood or fallacy, and who sent down her son to save us from the sin she herself created?

Oh okay, there's no evidence whatsoever that points to YHVH being any more real than Zeus. Okay then. So how does Christianity do as a philosophy of living your life? We can look at its followers. We see child rapers, scam artists, extortionists, we see a history of violence that stretches back over a thousand years. We see them support slavery, support tyrants, support genocide, support oppression. We see them support every form of corruption and evil humans have ever come up with, and perpetrate many of these crimes. As a philosophy, it seems to have no value in improving people whatsoever.

So... what good is it? In what way does it compare to Climate Change - a real, measurable threat we face today? Well, unless you're saying that Christianity is also a real, measurable threat we face today.


Thank you for proving my point exactly.
Kind of mind boggling

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Post Post #23100  (isolation #574)  » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:19 pm

In post 23092, chamber wrote:and maybe Abrahamic religions are as dominant as they are because they are in some aspect especially contagious

i thought this was primarily because they required recruitment as part of the club

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Post Post #23180  (isolation #575)  » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:30 am

In post 23164, McMenno wrote:
In post 2, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Sadly I think we will all be disappointed as to how normal his presidency will be. He's not a lunatic.

man... this is an evergreen post
he's just calling for a civil war via twitter
how is that not normal?

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Post Post #23183  (isolation #576)  » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:34 pm

man I hope this is infrastructure week


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Post Post #23186  (isolation #577)  » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:12 am

yup totally normal guy
President Donald Trump ran the gamut in his brainstorming on how to keep immigrants from crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, floating an alligator- or snake-filled moat, spikes atop a border wall and shooting immigrants in the legs.

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Post Post #23195  (isolation #578)  » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:55 am

In post 23194, N wrote:australian media is so excited since the prime minister got involved again

dont tell them
but the australia scandal doesn't even crack the top 50

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Post Post #23196  (isolation #579)  » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:56 am

In post 23189, Krazy wrote:I still think Dubya was a worse president than Mr. Orange in the John with the Twitter Account.

thus far yes

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Post Post #23197  (isolation #580)  » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:19 am

lol
he's gone back to the tried and tested tactic of doing crimes out in the open so obviously they can't be crimes

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trum ... gate-biden

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Post Post #23198  (isolation #581)  » Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:07 pm

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Post Post #23199  (isolation #582)  » Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:03 pm

hhaaahahaha
Apparently Trump is now claiming that Rick Perry is the mastermind behind all of the Ukraine shenanigans and he somehow compelled Individual-1 to make the phone call in the first place.

https://www.axios.com/trump-blamed-rick ... 565d4.html

I didn't see this one coming

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Post Post #23201  (isolation #583)  » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:41 am

In post 23196, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 23189, Krazy wrote:I still think Dubya was a worse president than Mr. Orange in the John with the Twitter Account.

thus far yes

I think he heard your complaints
this could lead to genocide

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Post Post #23202  (isolation #584)  » Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:03 pm

nobody could have predicted

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Post Post #23210  (isolation #585)  » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:51 am

he has destroyed the economy of Atlantic City

maybe he thinks the Taj Mahal is in Turkey?

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Post Post #23214  (isolation #586)  » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:20 am

In post 23213, Flubbernugget wrote:a slaughter/genocide made possible by US arms
i mean the descriptor is fairly redundant
at this point we've sourced the majority of military equipment worldwide
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Post Post #23224  (isolation #587)  » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:08 pm

So Trump's legal team is now arguing that the Nixon trial to force him handing evidence over to the impeachment inquiry was wrongly decided
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/ ... y-decided/

I don't even

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Post Post #23228  (isolation #588)  » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:40 pm

In post 23226, Flubbernugget wrote:Still bothers me that invading the DNC's privacy is more criminal than invading citizens'

I'm guessing they invaded the RNCs as well
the kompromat obtained would explain the clown show going on in the Senate pretty well

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Post Post #23229  (isolation #589)  » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:53 pm

can we impeach faster plz

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Post Post #23234  (isolation #590)  » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:45 pm

coincidentally
Turkey is one of the largest consumers of Trump hotel rooms

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Post Post #23235  (isolation #591)  » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:50 pm

the gangs all here
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Post Post #23239  (isolation #592)  » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:32 am


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Post Post #23240  (isolation #593)  » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:44 pm

totally normal

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Post Post #23249  (isolation #594)  » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:03 am


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Post Post #23270  (isolation #597)  » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:43 am

In post 23268, Fluminator wrote:It really feels like the media is trying to whip America into hysteria over Russia again.

yes the list of people whose lives have been ruined by the trials is ridiculous
I mean if Manafort and Cohen can be found guilty of crimes, none of us are safe

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Post Post #23290  (isolation #598)  » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:34 am

In post 23276, panthaleon wrote:attacking DNC systems

I'd argue the RNC attacks were more important

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Post Post #23298  (isolation #599)  » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:08 pm

In post 23294, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 23290, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 23276, panthaleon wrote:attacking DNC systems

I'd argue the RNC attacks were more important

Actually interested in the full take on this
we know both servers were breached
we also know that only the DNC breach was leaked
a number of R's have been behaving...irrationally since this point in time

seems kompromat is most likely scenario
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