Merchant's Daughter [Game Restart!]

[Dunnstral]

I propose the ladies keep their gold count a secret

No innocent child in this version of the setup? Interesting

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The gentlemen who pairs with the lady with 8 coins can hammer a wagon by themself as the last vote before intermission

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People jumping on fb already are probably scummy

I haven't read anything yet

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Ank coming in here and claiming 8 coin 19 minutes into the game thread being open seems scum motivated. When you've got a tiny little brain it makes sense that you'd wait to see what other people think first, right? Seems like a scum move

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Ank

How are you townreading me already?

This looks like scum too

[Dunnstral]

okay but my accusation of tw pocketing me was mostly a joke (even though it was at u), I am scum reading tw for his general disposition and way he is interacting with me and others. My general vibe is a lack of authenticity backed with a lot of playfulness. Which is where my read is.

Firstly
all of this is bullshit

This game started with 3 pages of shitposting and I didn't register how important the whole dancing thing was. how am I being even close to as playful as I normally am? if anything I feel abnormally serious in this game.

and when do you ever scumread playfulness?

the only time I've seen you be this lolconfident about a read was an s/s so you're heavily pinging me with this shit

I don't like this

You realize that fire and you are linked now - he can't get rid of you without getting rid of himself. What's his play here?

I think you're throwing out suspicion in a phase where it doesn't matter where it will then later be resolved to make yourself look better. And you didn't realize the dancing was important, really? You started trying to take charge of pairing by page 2

[Dunnstral]

I am fairly confident that the worst has attempted to throw off a read by firebringer using what is referred to as a chainsaw method. Instead of defending his play, he has attacked his accuser's play. I still do not believe that a scum v. scum can be analogous where a 1v1 is involved with you.

Elements of this are probably fairly reasonable but literally the last time I saw him as scum he came out the gates swinging at a scumbuddy to manipulate the gamestate into a massive annoying 1v1

It was a scum motivated behaviour

he's actually pretending to have reasoning here but I don't think his reasoning is consistent with reality which is not directly analogous but I think it's very worth mentioning


Do you think it's fair to suggest that I've been posting the way he claimed and I'm scum because of it?

If you die he dies too

You're positing that this is scum motivated

IF YOU DIE, HE DIES TOO

[Dunnstral]

Are you ready to dance yet Dunn?

No

People jumping on fb already are probably scummy

scum read=/= jumping on people

Actually it does = jumping on people, especially when there's no votes yet

[Dunnstral]

People jumping on fb already are probably scummy

I haven't read anything yet

Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?

Because he's lynchbait

Read the past dance games

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okay but my accusation of tw pocketing me was mostly a joke (even though it was at u), I am scum reading tw for his general disposition and way he is interacting with me and others. My general vibe is a lack of authenticity backed with a lot of playfulness. Which is where my read is.

Firstly
all of this is bullshit

This game started with 3 pages of shitposting and I didn't register how important the whole dancing thing was. how am I being even close to as playful as I normally am? if anything I feel abnormally serious in this game.

and when do you ever scumread playfulness?

the only time I've seen you be this lolconfident about a read was an s/s so you're heavily pinging me with this shit

I don't like this

You realize that fire and you are linked now - he can't get rid of you without getting rid of himself. What's his play here?

I think you're throwing out suspicion in a phase where it doesn't matter where it will then later be resolved to make yourself look better. And you didn't realize the dancing was important, really? You started trying to take charge of pairing by page 2

No I didn't?
I'm not sure what else to respond to here because you're forcing an applied reading into my posting

What is forced?

[Dunnstral]

People jumping on fb already are probably scummy

I haven't read anything yet

Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?

Because he's lynchbait

Read the past dance games

Being lynchbait doesn't make you immune to scumreads

My fucking god I might as well make it my sig.

I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummy

[Dunnstral]

I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummy

and you posting that is such a scum u move imo.

You wouldn't know a scum me move if it hit you in the face from what I've seen

[Dunnstral]

I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummy

and you posting that is such a scum u move imo.

I haven't even been mislynched in my last 10 games lol

You got lynched in the last game I played with you, you were town

[Dunnstral]

As soon as dunn opened with a defense of me. I kind of went "Hmmmmmmmmm" and then "Whattttttt" and now "Whhyyyyy"

And instant reaction is a scum read on him for this. Now I am curious on so much more. What is up my dunny boy?

Another person that doesn't realize how the game works

If TW dies, you die too, me pushing TW isn't defending you, it's going to cause you to die (which is whatever)

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Wait Excalibur doesn't count. I asked to be lynched after I threw a fit.

oooooook

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he's seen mastina hype me up enough to

With all due respect I couldn't care less about what mastina thinks of you

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Wait Excalibur doesn't count. I asked to be lynched after I threw a fit.

oooooook

You think its unreasonable for me to say that isn't like a standard game of mine so isn't like matter of fact way games with me go or something?

From my experiences with you, you either get lynched as town or win the game as scum

That's just what I remember

[Dunnstral]

Gut read I think Adel is town

[Dunnstral]

Man I am annoyed at this game already Dunny.

How you doing btw?

You don't have to be annoyed

Me "defending" you doesn't make me scum - that's not like something I do often as scum and maybe you play differently in games I'm not in

[Dunnstral]

Gut read I think Adel is town

>_______________>

Yeah I don't have good reasoning

But if everyone is going to talk about him I may as well weigh in

He looked like town when I was reading

[Dunnstral]

No one is saying they disagree with the list, just that they don't understand where it comes from.

But so far that looks like the list to me.

Of course I know who adelbert is and he is likely town but doesn't make final 6.

You put a bunch of people who hadn't posted in random spots

Not much to disagree on, there was nothing to base it off of

[Dunnstral]

Is Maria in this game btw?

Not to my knowledge

[Dunnstral]

I was more annoyed at your perception of me and then bringing back memories of Excalibur. I am mostly over it, but it does bug me that you painting me as lynch bait.

W/e.

Can only change it by showing you I am not.

My perception of you is that you're dead before end game every time in the dance games

And people tunnel you

I've seen it a few times when I was scum

[Dunnstral]

Does dying in past games really matter to our current dance game? Yeah, I'd say so

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I have left every dance in these dance games.
Like every single one I was the person who left.

After suspicion mounted on you and your partner, yeah

Call it whatever you want, you end up dead before endgame in every dance game, and people believe you're scum, that's my perception

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Does dying in past dance games really matter though considering that you could end up dead solely because your partner decides you don't get to live anymore

That's not what happened:

I have left every dance in these dance games.
Like every single one I was the person who left.

After suspicion mounted on you and your partner, yeah

[Dunnstral]

I definitely remember some where you were town, I think there was one where I was scum and you were town paired with gamma emerald who was town

[Dunnstral]

anyways

back to the core of the issue I'm having with dunn here

if FB is lynchbait, why is hopping on him this early scummy

I said people hopping on him were probably scummy, I hadn't read the thread yet, I saw that the game was open and already had 8 pages before I could tell people not to claim coins and was annoyed,

Then I read the game and yeah, tw was paired with fire but the way he is reading fire's motivations don't fully connect

I didn't mean to imply that anybody who scumread fire was in turn scummy by default

[Dunnstral]

One of Adel/Jibril is scum for flirting around the idea of pairing up but not doing it. Looks like trying to buddy early to secure a partner, which I feel like would be closer to the back of your mind as town D1.

Don't think they would both do it because if we called their bluff that would be dangerous.

I am inclined to think Adel is scum because that push on TW did not seem sincere, I think it was pretty clear TW did not imply that the SvS interaction he pointed out from another game meant S/S in this game, just that it felt similar in that it might be contrived and overconfident. He also felt like he was circling the wagon and waiting for a good time to push. He also initially only gave a townread on me, and put way more effort into flirting with Jibril than he did the game up until more people came in.

But the lady can't propose so

[Dunnstral]

anyways

back to the core of the issue I'm having with dunn here

if FB is lynchbait, why is hopping on him this early scummy

I said people hopping on him were probably scummy, I hadn't read the thread yet, I saw that the game was open and already had 8 pages before I could tell people not to claim coins and was annoyed,

Then I read the game and yeah, tw was paired with fire but the way he is reading fire's motivations don't fully connect

I didn't mean to imply that anybody who scumread fire was in turn scummy by default

then why would you throw it out there before reading at all

especially about a player you think is lynchbait and therefore is more likely to get votes from players of both alignments?

I didn't think that deep into it

I threw it out there after arriving in thread and the first post I saw was 175 by the worst

[Dunnstral]

Speaking of nice suits, how would everyone be dressed for an occasion such as this one?

Why do you keep popping in with nothing to say?

[Dunnstral]

She even said "want to find out" trying to goad him in to it.

So... she was trying to get him to dance? So what's the issue

[Dunnstral]

All of Jibril's posts are roleplaying

[Dunnstral]

Speaking of nice suits, how would everyone be dressed for an occasion such as this one?

Why do you keep popping in with nothing to say?

don't be the fun police

PvtUrist has been in tee back on my mind for a while

He popped in here and never had much to say, I didn't say anything but now he's back and still has nothing to say

[Dunnstral]

She even said "want to find out" trying to goad him in to it.

So... she was trying to get him to dance? So what's the issue

...

seriously?

The issue is the only effort up until then was securing a partner when there was stuff of substance happening elsewhere. That's the issue.

And as I've said i think twice now, scum would be more interested in being left out than town would.

There are 9 gents and 8 ladies, barring shenanigans Jibril wouldn't need to worry about being left out

I don't think Jibril's posts are very indicative

All of Jibril's posts are roleplaying

Does she always roleplay as someone doing something that would benefit scum while also not giving reads?

Never seen her before

[Dunnstral]

I don't have anything to say about your push on Adel, it's not incorrect like I think it is for Jibril, I still gut townread them and think town can be hesitant to want to form a pair, especially a hydra who may want to consult their other head

[Dunnstral]

You're dismissing valid concerns way too quickly to be town, IMO.

I don't think your push on Jibril was a valid concern

[Dunnstral]

What I'm doing isn't "dismissing concerns"

I explained why I don't think it is correct, is there a problem with my analysis on Jibril?

Their account name is an anime character, matching their picture, and they don't seem 100% serious

[Dunnstral]

I literally just conceded the Jibril point.

And then you said:

You're dismissing valid concerns way too quickly to be town, IMO.

[Dunnstral]

OK. So what's the problem? That I don't agree with your read on Adel?

Your analysis is fine, maybe he can come in and defend himself, It's just not enough to convince me. It's something that he

may

be doing, circumstantial evidence at best

[Dunnstral]

I don't disagree with your analysis on Adel, it may or may not be scum motivated, I wouldn't bet my coin(s) on it

[Dunnstral]

Scumreading Pink Ball

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Celica looks very easy to townread

Stay vigilant everyone, that's how those wily ladies get you

[Dunnstral]

Serious read

Leave Pink Ball out of the dance

[Dunnstral]

You're not the strongest lady in the setup, you make somebody else the strongest gentlemen. Important distinction.

[Dunnstral]

the only time I've seen you be this lolconfident about a read was an s/s so you're heavily pinging me with this shit

How would this be s/s, though?

Are you claiming scum right now Sir Goose?

what do you think?

I believe that would be playing against your win condition. However, you are also saying that he's lolconfident in a scum/scum situation, so, this would not be analogous unless you are both scum, I believe.

I’ve only played this game once before. Is this a common occurrence? Anyone? How likely does that ever happen in this game, that 2 scums pair up?

No it's not a common occurrence

Scum usually try to avoid pairing

[Dunnstral]

Oh snap, she's right

[Dunnstral]

Wait, did Adelbert ever say they were a hydra

Who said they were a hydra?

[Dunnstral]

He is a hydra of alonzo and texcat

??

[Dunnstral]

Celica looks very easy to townread

Stay vigilant everyone, that's how those wily ladies get you

:thinking:

did you....?

I don't understand what you were implying here

[Dunnstral]

Ank coming in here and claiming 8 coin 19 minutes into the game thread being open seems scum motivated. When you've got a tiny little brain it makes sense that you'd wait to see what other people think first, right? Seems like a scum move

Not necessarily. Ank could have been trying to set a possible trap for scum, since she also stated she would prefer to leave, rather than dance with someone she scumreads.

Spoiler: None of the first part is true, and anybody can say anything - the second part isn't worth much

[Dunnstral]

oh thank god pink ball doesnt have a partner yet

Go ahead, I approve your pairing

[Dunnstral]

5: Pvt -- Dunnstral

Good one

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to give you guys a hint: We tried forming an order in the very last dance game, it went awful, don't do it again

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to give you guys a hint: We tried forming an order in the very last dance game, it went awful, don't do it again

didn't you win that game by following RC's order?

We had 2 scum in the final 3 pairings, in different pairings, make of that what you will

We definitely didn't win by following the order

[Dunnstral]

I want to be paired with Nancy but the concern about us being offed is a valid one.

If we don’t think that’s best, I request Dunn. I at least want a null read I know is capable of working with me in a PT to get shit done. I’m not participating in hentai-role play-hour with Jib.

I'd be fine pairing with you

I don't want to pair with pvtUrist

[Dunnstral]

The timing of these posts on dunn just strikes me as off.

I posted when I entered the thread
There's really nothing off about the 'timing' of my posts

[Dunnstral]

she's not talking about you dude

You're right, oops

[Dunnstral]

Alright I'll bite, what question are you talking about?

[Dunnstral]

I'd be fine pairing with you

the heartbreak </3

Why do you want to pair with me

It seemed like you decided that before I entered the thread

[Dunnstral]

I'd pair with Celica or Ank if I wasn't going to drag them down

If things go south, I'd accept nobody before someone I don't have at least a decent townread on

And that might be more damaging depending on who I take out with me

So how do you feel about krazy

[Dunnstral]

I'd probably accept Slaxx but you'd have to convince him more than me I think

I've started to think you were town

[Dunnstral]

Krazy I wouldn't mind pairing with you either

[Dunnstral]

Alright I'll bite, what question are you talking about?

I asked why you thought my posting made me look like an easy townread. That had me confused

Your style of posting is very easy for other players to townread, but it's possible you are capable of posting like that as scum, that's what I was thinking

[Dunnstral]

I'd probably accept Slaxx but you'd have to convince him more than me I think

I've started to think you were town

So you mean this in past tense or present tense?

I think you're town now

[Dunnstral]

oh thank god pink ball doesnt have a partner yet

Go ahead, I approve your pairing

Now we can off them both

[Dunnstral]

Why are all the pretty people going for the guys I want. It's like my high school prom all over again.

A-Am I cute? o///o

[Dunnstral]

Also Nancy looks pretty town to me

[Dunnstral]

I'm leaning town after seeing you make that push on Slaxx

[Dunnstral]

I’ll do my best to become appraised of the situation.

I'm not sure that's how that word is used

[Dunnstral]

I think it's fitting given how coins work in this game

Guys only want 1 thing

[Dunnstral]

Nancy, you can be the one that got away <3

Does anyone have issues with Slaxx/Dunn?

I don't feel nearly as comfortable about Dunn as I do about you fam

And I don't feel as comfortable about you as I do about fire. Where's my veto power?

[Dunnstral]

Nancy, you can be the one that got away <3

Does anyone have issues with Slaxx/Dunn?

I don't feel nearly as comfortable about Dunn as I do about you fam

And I don't feel as comfortable about you as I do about fire. Where's my veto power?

About the same place as your suggestion that this entire phase is worthless

In the dumpster

I never said that though

[Dunnstral]

As it turns out TW, you don't get to pair up page 1 and then complain about other peoples pairings

[Dunnstral]

You’re starting to sound like an expert on my meta and I can’t even remember being in games with you?

That's how I'm feeling right now with Krazy too, I don't actually think I've played that often with me. I think he backup mods a lot of games or something

[Dunnstral]

I think Reinhardt is roleplaying too

[Dunnstral]

Actually only one. Which was Lovers.

Then the other was a hydra in lynchpin with Auro/Volxen/Me

you think this is about you lol

what do you expect, me to go [Slaxx is shit at playing scum!]

You have it backward; the point is that Dunn is really good at playing scum, and has also won this particular setup before (albeit without this coin nonsense)

Dunn is demonstrably a strong scum player and for that reason pairing a player that can be a consensus townread with him is dangerous. I was volunteering myself for Dunn precisely because I did not enter this game planning to be in a final pairing, and I doubt Dunn did either. Seemed like a good fit in that regard

Additionally, the point I was making was that you two should not pair right now. Given Celica JUST cased you, isn't there like, things to talk about right now? You're not even a consensus read at the moment so it's almost a non-issue, but you still shouldn't pair this early in the pre-dance.

I've also lost this particular setup before, as scum

[Dunnstral]

So I don’t seem to have been alone in suspecting Adelbert’s entrance. So it seems interesting people are singling me out in such a manner. Is it because I’m so proper?

What does this mean?

[Dunnstral]

I can see scum motivation in Krazy coming in and saying I'm good at scum to deter me from pairing with Slaxx and trying to get people to agree on both pairings and lynch orders

[Dunnstral]

Everyone has a lower scum bop than dunn because dunn is one of the best scum players on site

Somewhere far away, Maria rolls over out of bed and falls to the floor

[Dunnstral]

All the gents look like Werebeasts. Useless. 2-3 in them I think.

Can you give some examples?

[Dunnstral]

Is there a deadline on this predance?

8 days

[Dunnstral]

I'm leaning town on Celica, I don't think Alisae has a leg to stand on

[Dunnstral]

Jibril feels like town to me from the little she's presented herself with

[Dunnstral]

Is it weird I check ages on here when forming reads?

I'm not 100%, but I do believe that Alisae is too young to legally acquire the weed he's pretending to smoke. Take that as you will.

[Dunnstral]

I'm leaning town on Celica, I don't think Alisae has a leg to stand on

I agree with Jib I think.

I can see if you have an Adel town read having a celica lean town read.

Does Al not having a leg to stand on mean scum or just wrong?

Just wrong

[Dunnstral]

Though they've put in surprisingly little effort towards their read on me, and doesn't seem to care who I pair with either

[Dunnstral]

I didn't really reference Celica when looking at Adel

I'm not sure sure of my Adel read, I'd need to see more from them

[Dunnstral]

I've been trying to nail down more reads I can be comfortable with and you two are on the list to sort

what do you want to nail down atm? We can probably talk about a couple things atm.

I have comfortable townreads on Dunnstral, Allomancer, Krazy, and Slaxx.

Really I just want to add to this list or find a strong scumread to start building off from. Reinhardt is getting there but the read isn't strong enough yet

You should add nancy to this for now. You can always revisit the read later.

In fact this post is very weird if Alisae thinks I'm scum

[Dunnstral]

Is it weird I check ages on here when forming reads?

I'm not 100%, but I do believe that Alisae is too young to legally acquire the weed he's pretending to smoke. Take that as you will.

I didn't really reference Celica when looking at Adel

I'm not sure sure of my Adel read, I'd need to see more from them

You had Adel as gut town bro

I know

It had nothing to do with Celica - I didn't associate the two at all

[Dunnstral]

btw still ready, I'm just posting reads for now and my thought processes later cause those are the only things I wrote down
Slaxx has gotten towny
Fire is town
Dunnstral is in fact a wolf
krazy can be a wolf, and writing this down because I clearly do not remember, wtf is 253 we're deciding the lynch order in pre-dance???????? Dude, Pre-dance should not be rushed, and you're basically saying lynch before we have even seen a single fucking flip like fuck Idunno if I'll not hate this when I'm not high but these are just my thoughts now

to continue reading I go!

he's seen mastina hype me up enough to

With all due respect I couldn't care less about what mastina thinks of you

is that the THE MASTINA. THE ONE AND ONLY MASTINA. THE LEGENDRY (BRITISH ACCENT LEGENDRY BECAUSE THAT THAT SOUNDS COOLER) MASTINA. THE ONE THAT IS -insert mastina meme copypasta here because I forgot where to find it tehehehe lol ;)-

okay I kinda forgot where I was going with that midwriting it because lol but I think I was going to
A. Meme about the first 4 of dunn's words or
B. Support Dunn on mastina and talk shit like idunno

but I was going to do 1 of those two things I'm sorry I can't remember :(

Okay I'm fully caught up actually, I didn't read everything based on post 300 in depth because it was kinda the same people talking but here are mine

Ank and Slaxx are Ride or Die
There is a wolf in Fire and Dunn, Dunn because I literally hate every single post he wrote and Fire because this feels way too try hardy coming from him it could be I just haven't played in awhile hihi granddad
Having read a TW post or a Adel post brain couldn't process
Alo and Krazy can be either both town or 1 scum because dunno if all 3 scum post right away
Celia I like this alt

there might be someone I missed in there.

Everyone has a lower scum bop than dunn because dunn is one of the best scum players on site

Alriht time to roll one

I've been trying to nail down more reads I can be comfortable with and you two are on the list to sort

what do you want to nail down atm? We can probably talk about a couple things atm.

I have comfortable townreads on Dunnstral, Allomancer, Krazy, and Slaxx.

Really I just want to add to this list or find a strong scumread to start building off from. Reinhardt is getting there but the read isn't strong enough yet

You should add nancy to this for now. You can always revisit the read later.

I feel this progression is weird, note that Alisae never comments about a pair between me/slaxx but they supposedly townread slaxx and I'm scum

They're super lazy with their read on me and then when they try to work with Ankamius they don't mind that I'm getting townread either

[Dunnstral]

It's more that he hasn't posted in a while and I have other reads now and other people have been showing suspicion on Adel for a while and they don't have much to say

I'm not saying I dropped my read but I'm willing to bet less on it than before, relative to new reads that have formed

[Dunnstral]

I might just reset my reads

I think you're doing fine

If I were a gent there are a lot of ladies I'd be willing to pair with, I do agree with Jibril that the overall feeling is that the gent side seems scummier

[Dunnstral]

I'm not sure. I can definitely see him being scum here - even if he doesn't plan his own survival, things change. Just because he says that now, doesn't mean we stick with it, and he could just be putting scum into the top 3 or wifoming, otherwise his tone is good but I'd guess he's probably pretty good at scum. I feel like he may be overrating my scum experience a bit and that's making me nervous (Or maybe they've just seen some of my particularly good scum games while spectating) - Not saying I'm not good to decent at scum to be coming in here and be like 'Best scum player on site, he can fool us all and he's won this setup before' seems kind of manipulative

[Dunnstral]

Less, because I prefer to dance with town I can work with, and I'm not really the self sacrificial sort

[Dunnstral]

How does 1156 relate to 1154?

[Dunnstral]

because encouraging suicide in the setup is just bad period.

Even when they talk about their own potential pairing?

Why is that scum motivated?

[Dunnstral]

I didn't suicide out of tilt, I suicided at l-1 or something with the innocent child hounding on me to die

[Dunnstral]

Actually, I suicided because my dance partner was very upset with the game and I didn't want to subject them to that

But that pt never got released so *shrug*

I just decided to stick it to the other guy as I was going down

[Dunnstral]

I've played in like 5 of these dance games, by the way

[Dunnstral]

Which was the most fun for you?

Probably the first two, the first was a town game, 9p game where I had a nice dance partner and my reads were on point

The game I played after that was a large and I was scum and and I talked a lot in my pt as well, I ended up tricking my pt mate and making it to the end

The next few games were full of people yelling, basically, or that's what I remember of it, 1 more scum game and 2 more town ones (I think, I may be missing 1) that weren't as enjoyable. This game doesn't have that level of toxicity and is alright

[Dunnstral]

Fair enough, but I wasn't sure if you would want to just leave with a scum this time

Like, I don't know why you'd look at that game and want to keep fighting to be one of the top pairs when you could just scum hunt and pair with someone you'd like to see die

Because that's not my style? If I want someone to die, I'll vote them. I prefer coming to my own conclusions about my pair, and I believe my pair is town I'll fight for both of our survival. If I have doubts, I'll talk about them instead of rushing to suicide. I've never paired up with scum

[Dunnstral]

Which games did town end up winning?

I don't remember the 2-3 between the last game and the second game that well, I'd have to go back and look

First game town won, second game scum won, I think third game town may have won too

[Dunnstral]

viewtopic.php?p=10683923#p10683923

[Dunnstral]

What account were you on for the first game? I'm assuming it's outed

It's actually not linked in that post, I was on this account:

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=69378

[Dunnstral]

allo shouldn't be on anyone's town list

he's not making an effort to read anyone

he's just spamming the thread with "omg you're so useless omg omg" whenever anyone acts human

And what are you doing?

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also isn't 1179 exactly me giving my opinion about a certain person's alignment?

one opinion, wow, you have two total and one is on your dance partner and is arguably not an attempt to read them

It has nothing to do with 'being a dick about it' - are we talking scum/town here or are we pointing to the bullies?

[Dunnstral]

Actually that's you deflecting the main point there

You say allo shouldn't be on anyone's town list because he's not making an effort to read anyone
It's pointed out that you're doing the same thing
You switch gears and say you're 'not being a dick about it'

Is that last part related to the first 2 parts? Can you explain further?

[Dunnstral]

I felt whatever Pink/clem flip would basically solve dunn.

Weird take on the game

[Dunnstral]

btw still ready, I'm just posting reads for now and my thought processes later cause those are the only things I wrote down
Slaxx has gotten towny
Fire is town
Dunnstral is in fact a wolf
krazy can be a wolf, and writing this down because I clearly do not remember, wtf is 253 we're deciding the lynch order in pre-dance???????? Dude, Pre-dance should not be rushed, and you're basically saying lynch before we have even seen a single fucking flip like fuck Idunno if I'll not hate this when I'm not high but these are just my thoughts now

to continue reading I go!

he's seen mastina hype me up enough to

With all due respect I couldn't care less about what mastina thinks of you

is that the THE MASTINA. THE ONE AND ONLY MASTINA. THE LEGENDRY (BRITISH ACCENT LEGENDRY BECAUSE THAT THAT SOUNDS COOLER) MASTINA. THE ONE THAT IS -insert mastina meme copypasta here because I forgot where to find it tehehehe lol ;)-

okay I kinda forgot where I was going with that midwriting it because lol but I think I was going to
A. Meme about the first 4 of dunn's words or
B. Support Dunn on mastina and talk shit like idunno

but I was going to do 1 of those two things I'm sorry I can't remember :(

Okay I'm fully caught up actually, I didn't read everything based on post 300 in depth because it was kinda the same people talking but here are mine

Ank and Slaxx are Ride or Die
There is a wolf in Fire and Dunn, Dunn because I literally hate every single post he wrote and Fire because this feels way too try hardy coming from him it could be I just haven't played in awhile hihi granddad
Having read a TW post or a Adel post brain couldn't process
Alo and Krazy can be either both town or 1 scum because dunno if all 3 scum post right away
Celia I like this alt

there might be someone I missed in there.

Everyone has a lower scum bop than dunn because dunn is one of the best scum players on site

Alriht time to roll one

I've been trying to nail down more reads I can be comfortable with and you two are on the list to sort

what do you want to nail down atm? We can probably talk about a couple things atm.

I have comfortable townreads on Dunnstral, Allomancer, Krazy, and Slaxx.

Really I just want to add to this list or find a strong scumread to start building off from. Reinhardt is getting there but the read isn't strong enough yet

You should add nancy to this for now. You can always revisit the read later.

I feel this progression is weird, note that Alisae never comments about a pair between me/slaxx but they supposedly townread slaxx and I'm scum

They're super lazy with their read on me and then when they try to work with Ankamius they don't mind that I'm getting townread either

This would be a good place to start

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cool. i know i said i'd read, but chances i do are realistically slim. however, i'm town and i'm not sure how to make that clear while not being able to keep up.

You seem reasonable and like someone I'd like to see pair up

Other people say you'll town up later

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Nobody has mentioned yet that I need a partner because I have 8 coins, people have only mentioned that I need a partner because I'm town lol

unless a lot of people are sure you're scum, no way town lets our highest coin player die.

...why not?

It's not like Ankamius gets the votes, if anything I'd be more likely to policy lynch ank than let her live just for having 8 coins

[Dunnstral]

Nobody has mentioned yet that I need a partner because I have 8 coins, people have only mentioned that I need a partner because I'm town lol

unless a lot of people are sure you're scum, no way town lets our highest coin player die.

Whomever she partners with, controls the first lynch.

I think town isn't fully comprehending how dangerous this is?

I'd call it a legitimate strategy for the 7 and 8 coin lady to not partner at all because the partners of them are the only slots that will get an opportunity to lynch a lover pair by themselves

It's cool and all to make all these partner plans, but it's arguably more important to prevent scum from being able to lolhammer the most competent slots out of the game and leave the last scum to pull a relatively simple endgame. It's a lot less dangerous to purposely leave the three scummiest gentlemen to die

It seems people don't realize fulyl what's going on

Right before we enter second dance, we will have 14 players alive. The Majority lynch is 8 people, only the person with 8 votes can hammer by themself, and it's the last lynch before intermission

[Dunnstral]

ya know what would suck? if the 7 coin lady is scum. she pairs with a scum gent and we get screwed.

Two scum suiciding for 1 lynch isn't a viable strategy for scum...

[Dunnstral]

Replaces out due to frustration, continues to post

Totally not theater.

I mean I think he's more likely town because of the replace out, as sucky as that is

Enough mechanics talk, you should pair with me slaxx, I'm townreading Ank and think it's more important to get her a reasonable post intermission pair than to worry about the 8 coins

[Dunnstral]

I am starting to think coins don’t matter

They do matter but if you're town going on a power trip and looking for the most coins is just bad play I think

[Dunnstral]

I felt whatever Pink/clem flip would basically solve dunn.

Weird take on the game

I really think this is weird coming from Celica and it makes me doubt my read on her

Like, I didn't talk that much about clem/Pink, did I? And I talked a lot about other things. This feels more like a setup to scumread me later than a genuine thought

[Dunnstral]

I'm not too worried about 8/7 coin scum gents myself

If anything I'm more worried about getting dumb town in the 8 coin slot and they do something counterproductive

Regardless I've got quite a few townreads so I'll go over who all I'd like to see paired

[Dunnstral]

By the way, I'm skipping past paired people

Krazy, Slaxx are town in the gentlemen
Nancy, Jibril, Ank, Alisae are town in the ladies

Jibril is a hasty read but I feel good about them
This list should all get decent partners and be set up for second dance

Moving on to the next set of players:
Adelbert, Allomancer, mcqueen in gents
Celica in the ladies

These players are somehow questionable but not quite a scumread for me ^

Reinhardt, PvtUrist in the gents
Nobody in the ladies

I wouldn't mind seeing these players gone in pre-dance or soon after, otherwise they require additional effort on their part to look like town

[Dunnstral]

Replaces out due to frustration, continues to post

Totally not theater.

I mean I think he's more likely town because of the replace out, as sucky as that is

Enough mechanics talk, you should pair with me slaxx, I'm townreading Ank and think it's more important to get her a reasonable post intermission pair than to worry about the 8 coins

I think replace outs due to frustration are usually town but I'm not really sold on the reason he replaced out, but it doesn't matter now. If the new slot bleeds town, good. I'll deal with the consequences of that.

I think 50 pages is enough and I'm up for YOLOing.

Dunn, dance with me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhtoDhlffsE

I accept

[Dunnstral]

Putting alisae in a lower tier in my reads because I remembered this weird tunnel on me has felt fake for some time and they still won't engage

[Dunnstral]

Alisae my main issue with your play was you coming in and having this sort of half-tunnel on me where you then ignore stuff and don't explain anything, yeah that helps, I'm not sure if or how the way I change has played, I wouldn't look to you to determine that though.

PvtUrist, I see you've put a lot of effort into a post, that is good. I'm not going to say in makes you town as I'm sure you could post something like that as scum to get out of being suspected, it does make me feel better about you though. I will note that it came after Ankamius matched up with someone though.

[Dunnstral]

And pink ball has been looking fine for me recently

[Dunnstral]

My read on Dunn was town early game and it's slowly shifting around. I kinda stopped reading at one point because I felt whatever Pink/clem flip would basically solve dunn. So I lean town considering I have a sr on pink.

I will refer back to this and say it feels like a setup

[Dunnstral]

Well I did say "sort of half-tunnel"

[Dunnstral]

I don't know what

Yeah I was going to say that actually my scumread on Celica has lowered because of what you said. It makes sense for town, much more than for scum. I was probably tunneling.

was referring to

[Dunnstral]

Yeah I was going to say that actually my scumread on Celica has lowered because of what you said. It makes sense for town, much more than for scum. I was probably tunneling.

Can you elaborate?

She wanted to interact with me even when she was scumreading me and I didn't want to talk to her. That seems like sorting reads instead of pushing a mislynch

Not sure I agree with the reasoning here, but I also don't gain a read on Pink Ball from this

[Dunnstral]

I think it's unlikely that Pink Ball/Celica are scum together if that's what you're wondering

[Dunnstral]

I can see it coming from town and being genuine, yes. I don't see why not, really

[Dunnstral]

close enough

Not really... I said the same thing

[Dunnstral]

I still think Celica taking Pink/Clem into consideration so much when looking for a read on me is an odd thing to do

[Dunnstral]

Pedit: Why is me saying if one pair flips scum that makes you town so odd?

I feel I've barely interacted with the pair, so you reading me based off of it is really weird when I have so much other content, it looks more like you're setting up for two mislynches than actually trying to read me.

Can you explain why Slaxx is a bad partner?

[Dunnstral]

I don't think the game is as easy as rein/Adel both being scum.

What is your reasoning for saying this?

[Dunnstral]

Pedit: Why is me saying if one pair flips scum that makes you town so odd?

I feel I've barely interacted with the pair, so you reading me based off of it is really weird when I have so much other content, it looks more like you're setting up for two mislynches than actually trying to read me.

Can you explain why Slaxx is a bad partner?

You have quite enough content regarding Clem/Pink for me to base a read off it imo.Sorry if you don't like it I suppose? That's just how I'm reading it. I've explained why Slaxx is a bad partner many times already. I don't feel the want to repeat myself right now given you're not reading my posts clearly. If you were half the questions you're asking would already be answered

4 posts. There were 4 posts when you made that read. Here they are:

Scumreading Pink Ball

Serious read

Leave Pink Ball out of the dance

oh thank god pink ball doesnt have a partner yet

Go ahead, I approve your pairing

oh thank god pink ball doesnt have a partner yet

Go ahead, I approve your pairing

Now we can off them both

How is that more important that everything else I've posted? How is that "plenty of content" for you to base a read off of?

[Dunnstral]

I don't think the game is as easy as rein/Adel both being scum.

What is your reasoning for saying this?

Same yours was for people jumping on fire

That's cute. Really though, why did you say that?

[Dunnstral]

allo shouldn't be on anyone's town list

he's not making an effort to read anyone

he's just spamming the thread with "omg you're so useless omg omg" whenever anyone acts human

And what are you doing?

also isn't 1179 exactly me giving my opinion about a certain person's alignment?

one opinion, wow, you have two total and one is on your dance partner and is arguably not an attempt to read them

It has nothing to do with 'being a dick about it' - are we talking scum/town here or are we pointing to the bullies?

Actually that's you deflecting the main point there

You say allo shouldn't be on anyone's town list because he's not making an effort to read anyone
It's pointed out that you're doing the same thing
You switch gears and say you're 'not being a dick about it'

Is that last part related to the first 2 parts? Can you explain further?

How does this make me scum if clem/pink and town?

[Dunnstral]

Celica I disagree that anything I've had to say on clem/pink is enough to form a read on me

Just be honest - are you too lazy to read the rest of my posts?

[Dunnstral]

How does this make me scum if clem/pink and town?

Hard to explain. Let's call it gut for now. However, I'll sadly want you dead anyway.

Here's the thing - it doesn't matter what you want. You only get one vote, other people get 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, and 2. It looks like you're going to have to present a better case if you want anything to happen

[Dunnstral]

942 is just a kettle meet pot answer.

I can see scum motivation in Krazy coming in and saying I'm good at scum to deter me from pairing with Slaxx and trying to get people to agree on both pairings and lynch orders

Can you point out where I came in and said someone was good at scum to deter a pair from forming, and where I tried to get people to agree on both pairings and lynch orders?

[Dunnstral]

What you're not explaining is how if pink/clem are town, I'm suddenly scum

[Dunnstral]

What was my approach, and why couldn't I take it as town?

Why did you see I was a pot meeting the kettle here:

942 is just a kettle meet pot answer.

I can see scum motivation in Krazy coming in and saying I'm good at scum to deter me from pairing with Slaxx and trying to get people to agree on both pairings and lynch orders

Can you point out where I came in and said someone was good at scum to deter a pair from forming, and where I tried to get people to agree on both pairings and lynch orders?

[Dunnstral]

I just need to show people that the 2 pairings I want dead are strongly likely to have scum.

Yes, you do need to show people that.

[Dunnstral]

I think Slaxx is town

[Dunnstral]

Can you dumb that question down for me.

Sure. Are you scum? Because that's all that really matters here, certainly your reads don't

[Dunnstral]

Can you dumb that question down for me.

It's hard to work with you when you decide I'm town/scum based off of someone else arbitrarily then say you'll lynch me first anyway because you don't like my partner without caring about my opinion

[Dunnstral]

Can you dumb that question down for me.

Sure. Are you scum? Because that's all that really matters here, certainly your reads don't

Why are you being rude for no reason?

Am I being rude, or am I telling the truth?

Do you think you've made a convincing argument that will make other people want to vote with you?

Do you recognize that, as a lady, you have only 1 vote during the first dance, and it's much more important to be able to convince someone else rather than place the vote yourself?

[Dunnstral]

Can you dumb that question down for me.

Sure. Are you scum? Because that's all that really matters here, certainly your reads don't

Why are you being rude for no reason?

The way you're trying to read me is wrong

When asked about it you get real dodgy and make snappy answers and are in general hard to work with

[Dunnstral]

Can you dumb that question down for me.

Sure. Are you scum? Because that's all that really matters here, certainly your reads don't

Why are you being rude for no reason?

Alright, sorry if I was rude, I do think you're likely to be town here, I think you have a lot of work to do regarding your reads here though

[Dunnstral]

you're clearly not reading the game.

I am though.

Can you respond to me about the pot kettle thing? Because I'm sure that you either made that up or misunderstood what you were saying

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it's TvT though

OK. Why?

[Dunnstral]

We have 3 people in here asking you to explain your read and you keep giving us the runaround

That's kind of how I'm perceiving this

[Dunnstral]

You said my posting was easy to townread and that was basically you trying to deter people from pairing with me.

OK, see I disagree with this. Slaxx had brought up pairing when Krazy said that, the post you're pointing to for me nobody was talking about pairing with you yet. I haven't tried to disrupt your pairings, and even said I'd be fine seeing you paired.

And where I tried to get people to agree on both pairings and lynch orders? You see how this is all just a misunderstanding (on your part, mind you) rather than me being a jerk or not reading the game or whatever

[Dunnstral]

That wasn't the point of the question you asked. You asked that just to be a jerk. What were you really expecting the answer to your question to be? Regardless of I'm town or scum of course I'm gonna answer the same way. You just asked that to be a jerk for no reason what so ever because you're upset that I'm not magically flipping my read based on your one opinion. One that you don't even take the time to properly explain. Along with the fact you're clearly not reading the game.

Listen, I'm trying to demonstrate that the reason you're being grilled is mainly to figure out your alignment. NOT to try to meld with your reads.

[Dunnstral]

Haha, very funny Alisae. Can you act your age, or at least close to it? Maybe go outside or something instead of clogging up the thread? Why should we have to suffer through reading your posting when you decide to smoke weed and complain about your depression, can't you go to general discussion or something?

If you think grilling/putting pressure on me is the correct way to read me you're wrong.

What should I be looking for then?

[Dunnstral]

Like, I'm sorry, this isn't daddy day care. If you have depression you should seek professional help instead of memeing about it on the internet. If you want to smoke weed that's cool, but I don't want to see you spamming pages posting like a dingus and being a general disruption when I'm trying to do something here

Celica, I'm sorry if you think I've acted dumb/bad in regards to my recent play. Do you want to talk about Slaxx some more instead?

[Dunnstral]

OK. Let's start over.

Yes, I'm a jerk, and I'm sorry for that.

I do think you are more likely town than scum and won't work towards lynching you - if we can find you a pair you think you'd like, great. Right now I think Krazy slot is town and would make a good pair with you, but of course there's nobody in it and feeling like you've got a partner you can work with is a big thing

Why I townread Slaxx isn't something that can easily be summed up, but I'll try: His tone, his motivations - look at the way he reacted to Krazy, and to other people talking about Krazy. And how his read on you formed.

[Dunnstral]

ok im sry I'll take my stonedposting somewhere else I know what I did was disrespectful please forgive me and don't hurt me ;~;

Seriously though

"This is not a meme but a cry for help"

I'm not Nancy, I won't just awkwardly laugh at you, you should go get professional advice, a diagnosis, idk. Maybe I'm frustrated because every single game I have to be the bad guy who says "no, I don't care about your depression, can we keep the game on topic?" to somebody

[Dunnstral]

I've reworded this sentence about 7 times and debated sending it because I just feel so sick to my stomach right now. I just think I'll write it in a tab and delete it and see if that makes me feel better. Cause oh boy.

Is this @ me

Should I just replace out or something

[Dunnstral]

Why I townread Slaxx isn't something that can easily be summed up, but I'll try: His tone, his motivations - look at the way he reacted to Krazy, and to other people talking about Krazy. And how his read on you formed.

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Do you think Pink/clem has scum Dunn?

I've got pretty much no read whatsoever on Clemency. So maybe, but I wouldn't count on it regarding him. Pink ball I though he looked like scum right when he was coming into the thread and you said you agreed with my thinking there, but I changed my mind after seeing the rest of their recent posts, I guess. I'm not convinced that that's where we should be looking. You are saying I'm scum if they're town because you think if they're town they're the lynchbait that I'd be pushing, right? And you compared that to me talking about Firebringer earlier.

Do you townread Krazy slot? I don't think you should dance with no one. Is there anyone else you wouldn't mind in the gents? Do you just clash with them personality wise? Are they all kind of scummy?

[Dunnstral]

Krazy, Reinhardt, mcqueen, PvtUrist, Adelbert

Jibril, Nancy Drew 39, Celica, Alisae


Townreading or leaning town all the ladies remaining

[Dunnstral]

What's your read on Jibril and Nancy?

[Dunnstral]

Right now I'm reading her as town

I saw your post, I'm not convinced

[Dunnstral]

And what about me?

[Dunnstral]

Nancy where are your reads at

You, Slaxx, Allo, Alisae, FB, Tw for town.

Adel, Rein, possible scum.

townlean on McQueen, PB.

Null on Urist, Jbril, Clem, Krazy, Celica

I’m probably wrong on anything below the top line, though.

Have you explained FB town? If not, can you? If so tell me to shove it and look in your ISO :lol:

:lol:

Sure, after playing a few games with Fire including the one he rolled scum in: Halloween Dance, I think this is his town game here.

He mostly fluff posted in HD. As town he makes pushes and really doesn’t GAF how he is perceived. Actually, I did post a link to Fire’s ISO in HD. For a towngame, check out Excalibur, where he seems very similar to this game.

I mean, I'd argue that he's fluff posting and not making pushes

[Dunnstral]

Seriously running out of patience with Jibril, there’s 80 pages of content and there’s literally nothing substantial in the ISO. Who signs up for this and then does that.

Jibril has more content than clemency

[Dunnstral]

Really though, I'm not jiving with your reads Jibril

You said you wanted to wait until the end to decide who to pair with, right?

It looks like both Nancy and Celica want to pair with Krazy, I don't have a problem with any of these but there's only 1 Krazy slot, so is anybody willing to pair with a secondary townread among the gentlemen?

I think we established that Alisae can pair with someone to try to sort them. Maybe McQueen?

Right now we need to wait for Adel/Reinhardt to come back/get replaced (or at least I think we do) to finish up the pairs (I feel we have a pretty good grasp on what we want to do with krazy slot)

[Dunnstral]

Slaxx should have chosen me or Alisae over Dunn

Dear lady Nancy, I must say jealousy is not a good look for you. We still have a fine selection of gentlemen available, including choices such as Reinhardt, Mcqueen, and Pvturist. I'm sure one of them would be glad to take your hand. Of course, all the ladies are going krazy for this one unpaired gent, but he's a bit of a hot topic.

[Dunnstral]

I never claimed or even hinted at how many coins I have. Jibril came after my partner anyway, and indeed has been going after the gentlemen. Notably, gentlemen have the majority of the voting power during the first dance, so I see this as a move that comes from town more often than not