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Post Post #1967 (isolation #200) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:43 am

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In post 1964, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1960, Slaxx wrote:
In post 1959, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1923, Slaxx wrote:People said McQ is an easy read... not seeing it.
I don’t know why anyone would think that but he does seem to be really townie here.
I’d like him to be.

Explain?
His thought process, is seeming townie to me, you disagree?
Trying to figure that out.

Anything specific?
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Post Post #1968 (isolation #201) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:44 am

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In post 1966, mcqueen wrote:That’s true, I got a bit snarky.

I’m glad we’ve reached an understanding.

Can you reiterate why Krazy was scum? Still havent looked through his ISO, but I’d like to know what you saw.
Heavy emphasis on mechanics talk, any actual scumhunting he did was bad (pushed me for suspecting him even though he realized what he was doing could be perceived as scummy, pushed PVT for the order he listed his reads in). His list made sense from a meta perspective, he put easily readable people up top, but made no sense from a within-game perspective. Dozens of pages went by and almost every conversation we had was framed in regards to mechanics and lists without him really trying to solve for alignments.
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #202) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:45 am

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“Pushed me” is way dramatic. Sorry on break on mobile.

Mentioned he was worried about me

Is a better way to phrase that.
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Post Post #1971 (isolation #203) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:47 am

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I could probably be convinced upon his replace out it might be a playstyle thing but I’m still irked he avoided telling me how he came to a specific decision about Dunn and I. Feel like town in that situation just says oops didn’t have the info I thought I did, but he instead said I was throwing a hissy for after he didn’t answer me straight for a few posts, then came back to it later. Felt dodgy.
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #204) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:48 am

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And the more I pressed him the more he asserted I shouldn’t make it to x point in the game without ever taking a stance on my alignment, while still having someone with barely any content up top. Really just didn’t make any sense even from a mechanics-town-solve perspective.
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Post Post #1975 (isolation #205) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:50 am

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In post 1972, mcqueen wrote:Ok. Just one question; how is doing/saying something that you already know could be perceived as scummy more scum AI than town AI?

Him shading me for it was the big piece of that.
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Post Post #1976 (isolation #206) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:51 am

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In post 1974, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1969, Slaxx wrote:“Pushed me” is way dramatic. Sorry on break on mobile.

Mentioned he was worried about me

Is a better way to phrase that.
Since you already “broke my heart” :P by choosing Dunn, who you do you think is the towniest unpaired gent?
Haha I’m sorry. I don’t want us to both die :(
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Post Post #1977 (isolation #207) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:53 am

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In post 1927, Slaxx wrote:Nancy/Ank/Allo
Dunn*/PB*/ TW
Alisae/Clem/Jib/PvT/McQ
Krazy/Cecila/FB/Rein
Adel

Sucks that my biggest read flaked.

Krazy moved up, replace outs due to frustration always ding scumreads I have.

I stopped worrying with Cecila because it didn’t seem that she was interested in changing her mind. As someone who tunnels that’s fine, but her lack of any follow up interaction with me COMBINED with a feeing of stubbornness is what is a red flag. If I’ve missed some questions from her let me know, but that’s a fairly reliable tell I’ve used in the past. I know someone told her in the thread to not interact with scumreads, can’t think of who that was and on mobile, but I need to go back and check.

Rein could go either way, what little I saw was very odd-point for a town catchup as Ank said.

FB’s dismissal of my Krazy 1v1 really pinged me, it looked way more like someone just trying to be an arbiter for being an arbiter’s sake. I also didn’t like the shift in the read without explanation while calling the only discussion that happened between the read change useless, and unless I’m missing something I never got a follow up on that.

If Dunn was scum and wanted to partner with me, he would not have backed off his Krazy read. If he was scum with Krazy, I don’t think Krazy would have wanted to be paired with Dunn AND got feisty when I wanted to pair with him. Easy scum distancing would be to want to pair with your partner, wait for someone to intervene, then come back and say “we can’t both be scum because why would we fight to pair with each other and put all the eggs in one basket”. Ergo, Dunn is probably town.

I don’t think PB-scum makes #1900. I also don’t think he badgers me about reading him when he’s seen how aggressive I can be.
I guess anyone in the bulls nancy.

If you think McQ is town go for it. I’m warming up to that.
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Post Post #1978 (isolation #208) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:53 am

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Nulls*
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Post Post #1983 (isolation #209) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:05 am

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In post 1980, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1978, Slaxx wrote:Nulls*
You have Urist more townie than McQueen rn?
No? I said I was warming up to McQ town.

As of that list they’re equal, but that was before my 1 on 1 with him.
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Post Post #2002 (isolation #210) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:31 am

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I remember when I first pushed Clem for shitposting

I was younger, more naive

I think it was around Thanksgiving
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Post Post #2005 (isolation #211) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:32 am

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In post 2001, Ankamius wrote:it's a fragile read, allo
It’s fragile but at the top?
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Post Post #2008 (isolation #212) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:35 am

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Oh... actually he might be S this game but I can’t say why. Dumb rules.

They’re actually good rules. But. Whatever.
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #213) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:35 am

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In post 2007, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2005, Slaxx wrote:
In post 2001, Ankamius wrote:it's a fragile read, allo
It’s fragile but at the top?
yeah, so?
Idk, I think of strong town reads as resilient ones as well.
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #214) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:37 am

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In post 2011, Allomancer wrote:
In post 2008, Slaxx wrote:Oh... actually he might be S this game but I can’t say why. Dumb rules.

They’re actually good rules. But. Whatever.
me?
God no

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Post Post #2019 (isolation #215) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:43 am

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In post 2016, Pink Ball wrote:@Slaxx, your read on Alisae?
Null still.
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Post Post #2022 (isolation #216) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:45 am

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In post 2020, Allomancer wrote:suddenly the game transforms into the mod is mafia
We are all over here with 1-8 coins

And the mods the motherfucking bank
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Post Post #2027 (isolation #217) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:47 am

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In post 2024, Pink Ball wrote:They're fine. Wrong on some levels, but fine. PvtUrist is scum, mcqueen I don't get why he's so slow since I thought you were scumreading because of associations and the other two players are higher than him.

I have my suspicions on Nancy, though, but hopefully I'll be dead before having to push her :lol:
Woah wait what? Why?
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Post Post #2033 (isolation #218) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:54 am

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In post 2029, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 2027, Slaxx wrote: Woah wait what? Why?
Is this a wolfslip? Too many w's
You don’t have to start pushing Nancy but I’d like to know why you’re doubting her as town.
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Post Post #2036 (isolation #219) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:59 am

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In post 2034, Ankamius wrote:I don't think Nancy has done anything to obvtown at this point, but I'm not seeing any red flags to indicate that she's scum so :SHRUG:

it's probably not something worth revisiting until we already have two scum dead
Not to be aggressive, but I’d prefer you didn’t give him an out to shut down discussion.

Especially if he plans on leaving early, I want his perspective now. He acted like he would be able to not have to worry about it after he’s dead but why not share it now for us to assess and use?
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Post Post #2039 (isolation #220) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:01 am

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Interesting, thanks for sharing.
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Post Post #2040 (isolation #221) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:01 am

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It’s alright Ank he posted anyway. I get ya.
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Post Post #2045 (isolation #222) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:13 am

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In post 2041, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2023, Ankamius wrote:Nancy where are your reads at
You, Slaxx, Allo, Alisae, FB, Tw for town.

Adel, Rein, possible scum.

townlean on McQueen, PB.

Null on Urist, Jbril, Clem, Krazy, Celica

I’m probably wrong on anything below the top line, though.
Have you explained FB town? If not, can you? If so tell me to shove it and look in your ISO :lol:
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Post Post #2055 (isolation #223) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:08 pm

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@Dunn: Yuuuuuuup

Pedit:
Mayyyyyyyyybe
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Post Post #2056 (isolation #224) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:08 pm

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Haven’t read that one obviously but if he’s scum there then Mayyyyyyybe
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Post Post #2082 (isolation #225) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:01 pm

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In post 2080, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 2061, Alisae wrote:mcqueen I’ll dance with you on the condition that your vote is where I tell you to vote.
This is kinda arousing
I’ve had less Spivey first dates

I can get behind this sentiment
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #226) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:01 pm

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Never in a million years will I know why Spivey is in my autocorrect
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #227) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:35 pm

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In post 2087, Celica wrote:
In post 1927, Slaxx wrote:I stopped worrying with Cecila because it didn’t seem that she was interested in changing her mind. As someone who tunnels that’s fine, but her lack of any follow up interaction with me COMBINED with a feeing of stubbornness is what is a red flag. If I’ve missed some questions from her let me know, but that’s a fairly reliable tell I’ve used in the past. I know someone told her in the thread to not interact with scumreads, can’t think of who that was and on mobile, but I need to go back and check.
You haven't tried to interact with me once. I'm more than willing to interact with my scumreads. (See PB) It also doesn't help you have the 2 easy lynchers me and my lock town (soon to be hopefully) dance partner as scum
I responded to your case and that was that. If it wasn't, let me know.
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #228) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:43 pm

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In post 2092, Celica wrote:Okay let's start here then. You said you don't like Fire trying to disengage the Krazy 1v1. Do you think that makes them partners? Also, how does the fact I'm openly trying to dance with Krazy make you feel? Any comment on that?
Yeah, the Krazy disengagement was bad, but it wasn't the worst part of it.

FB said they felt a scumread forming during Krazy and I's discussion but called the discussion useless. That was a red flag. When pushed they said they couldn't explain it right then. I brought it up again today and still no response. I don't know how AI that is for Krazy but it is bad for FB. Also, I moved Krazy up in my reads after the frustrated replace out. It's not like I'm not willing to change my opinion, there's just a lot of stuff preventing me from trusting that slot. The big thing was the meta read on Dunn and I that I have brought up countless times, that I never really got a straight answer to. How am I not supposed to think that was made up when he couldn't give me evidence he had actually meta'd us? I mean come on.

I think by default that makes you way less likely to be partners, particularly if you follow through with it. I think your pickings are fairly slim given the overall state of the gentleman so I think Krazy is probably the right person to aim for regardless of alignment because at least some influential players are townreading the slot.
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #229) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:59 pm

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Just one big one. My current perception of you (which could be wrong, and I am welcome to change) is that you have had the same reads for quite a while and feel like you decided pretty early what your stances were gonna be, and don't seem particularly flexible in changing them. Is there an example of someone you changed your read on, whether you mentioned it or not, and what made you change the read on them? I'm sure there's little bits in your ISO somewhere but if you can give me your biggest read change since game start and why that changed.

I know I can look through the ISO but I want it fresh from you.
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Post Post #2097 (isolation #230) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:14 pm

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In post 2096, PvtUrist wrote:Slaxx
In post 20, Slaxx wrote: I have an idea for how we should go about pairing if we do it as a group but if I vocalize it now it can be gamed, so remind me in like...four days or something.
ohhhhhhhh

Yes!

So, that kind of died after the second pairing but the spirit of it still kind of works.

Obviously the person we want to leave out of the dance can be the most scummy.

Ideally, we would pair the next two scummiest people, regardless if they worked together for partners, for the first lynch. The game always starts to crack open after the first mafia lynch and you probably don't want to go all in on who you think are pairs right away. It is better to hedge your bets on a single scum flip and keep T:S ratio high than mislynch 1 or 2 pairs before hitting because you were focused on associatives more than breaking open the first red.

By then, with three flips, it would be fairly likely one would be red, and then you go back and look at people's reaction to the pairing. That's why I thought deciding as a group would be better, because it would double up on the information we got.

But after PB/Clem paired up it kind of broke that.
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Post Post #2098 (isolation #231) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:16 pm

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Basically I wanted a communal choice on pairs to get extra information out of people's inputs, specifically focused on getting a red flip as soon as possible and ignoring associative until then. But I abandoned that strat after the second pairing.

If we still want to try it we can, but people went their own way it seems.
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Post Post #2105 (isolation #232) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:58 pm

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In post 2101, Jibril wrote:Your claws are showing Mr Werebeast. Stop trying to control everyone.
Was that at me?

Cuz if it was I’ve done more strat and solving shoving a slice of pizza in my mouth during lunch break at work than you’ve done all game

So come at me if you got actual shit to say or got a better way to do this

Otherwise keep roleplaying
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #233) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:04 pm

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Nooooooooooooooo

What does that even mean
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Post Post #2110 (isolation #234) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:07 pm

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Idk yo.

Seriously wonder sometimes what interacting with some y’all in real life would be like 2107 and 2101 makes me think I’d rather not.
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Post Post #2112 (isolation #235) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:11 pm

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You’re not the person that’s the issue. Wed probsnly have a beer and bitch about the weather or something.

Seriously running out of patience with Jibril, there’s 80 pages of content and there’s literally nothing substantial in the ISO. Who signs up for this and then does that.
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Post Post #2113 (isolation #236) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:12 pm

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Yeah speaking of beer.

*Probably
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Post Post #2165 (isolation #237) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:34 am

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In post 2158, Dunnstral wrote:I never claimed or even hinted at how many coins I have. Jibril came after my partner anyway, and indeed has been going after the gentlemen. Notably, gentlemen have the majority of the voting power during the first dance, so I see this as a move that comes from town more often than not
A classy couple doesn’t let on to how much they make. What a great partner you make!

*Wisps hair sassily*
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Post Post #2166 (isolation #238) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:38 am

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In post 2153, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2106, Ankamius wrote:I'm getting less optimistic about our chances of winning this game every day
It think some bad choices in pairings have been made.

Slaxx should have chosen me or Alisae over Dunn

and I’m of course concerned about Fire threatening to flake.

As for Ank/Allo, Ank got screwed mechanically.
Who better to keep an eye on Dunn than me though?

Despite our experience together last game (sorry again) I’m a pretty strong town player. If I can get Dunn aside in a neighborhood I’m confident I can read him. Even the guy who was annoyed with me (Krazy) said my reads are valuable and I usually tunnel scum. So when Dunn offered, you bet I took it. It spreads townie players out as well, which as we discussed is probably for the best.
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Post Post #2174 (isolation #239) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:10 am

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The activity is killing the game ironically. I just calculated there’s been a little less (9/10ths) of a page every hour, or a post every 3 or so minutes, since the game started. I think that’s right. 100 hours. 2172 posts. 21 posts an hour.

@ Mod

Will replacement a be given time to catch up and pair up if need be? Or is the eight days a hard deadline?
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Post Post #2175 (isolation #240) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:12 am

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Page top?
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Post Post #2184 (isolation #241) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:44 am

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In post 2182, Alisae wrote:Yeah this is really fucking silly.
I’ma chill until we find replacements for most of the slots. I kinda suggest others do the same.
The only thing productive that we can really do now is sort mcqueen and even then there’s so much we can do so...
I think everyone is *mostly* baked in until we get flips. I was going to suggest this, keep the thread from blowing up anymore until replacements get in.
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Post Post #2186 (isolation #242) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:15 am

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It was null town up until that suggestion and now it’s lean town. I usually trust people I’m mind melding with more because it means they’re approaching the game in a similar way.
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Post Post #2195 (isolation #243) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:04 pm

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In post 2194, Ankamius wrote:Are those scumreads
Barely
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Post Post #2203 (isolation #244) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:23 pm

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Oh my god
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Post Post #2206 (isolation #245) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:32 pm

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In post 2205, Alisae wrote:
In post 2204, Pink Ball wrote:For fucks sake think in the mod before joining a game you wont play you fucking assholes
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