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Post Post #1685 (isolation #200) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:31 pm

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there will be plenty of time to passively poke at every post I make after you make sure that you can do it for the next 100 pages
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Post Post #1690 (isolation #201) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:33 pm

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In post 1688, Alisae wrote:
In post 1685, Ankamius wrote:there will be plenty of time to passively poke at every post I make after you make sure that you can do it for the next 100 pages
Oh God help me
how many scum heads do you think I'll have to present him before he realizes I'm town
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Post Post #1698 (isolation #202) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:40 pm

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Nancy you should dance with pvt instead
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #203) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:43 pm

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mafia mostly made my anxiety worse

I can do without that part
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Post Post #1706 (isolation #204) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:47 pm

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idk mcqueen I kinda am beyond caring about reads atm

I think I'll wait until we have replacements before starting to care again
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Post Post #1712 (isolation #205) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:52 pm

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well tough

I specifically was waiting for krazy to respond to my accusation and him up and leaving instead basically put me in a position of not being able to test my own theory against itself and now I have enough people saying I'm wrong to just really not care about it anymore

so
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Post Post #1713 (isolation #206) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:53 pm

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and before urist shows up with another passive aggressive remark, krazy was the lynchpin of that entire theory and it's kind of impossible to verify in any way without seeing how he responds to it
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Post Post #1716 (isolation #207) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:54 pm

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I don't think anybody understood what exactly it was when I explained it before so join the club
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #208) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:55 pm

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because of your weird spot in krazy's pairings and celica trying to shield you
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #209) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:56 pm

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close enough
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #210) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:57 pm

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In post 1712, Ankamius wrote:well tough

I specifically was waiting for krazy to respond to my accusation and him up and leaving instead basically put me in a position of not being able to test my own theory against itself and now I have enough people saying I'm wrong to just really not care about it anymore

so
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #211) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:03 pm

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k

good night
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Post Post #1758 (isolation #212) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:56 pm

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I can't sleep
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #213) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:14 pm

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Rein probably is the best choice to leave out if anyone
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #214) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:23 pm

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I think she's saying it makes him a PoI?
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #215) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:30 pm

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In post 1784, Celica wrote:
In post 1782, Dunnstral wrote:What you're not explaining is how if pink/clem are town, I'm suddenly scum
Because I'm pretty sure that's the approach you'd take as scum
So if there is scum in pinkball/clem, is Dunn town or scum
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #216) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:38 pm

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In post 1789, Celica wrote:
In post 1788, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1784, Celica wrote:
In post 1782, Dunnstral wrote:What you're not explaining is how if pink/clem are town, I'm suddenly scum
Because I'm pretty sure that's the approach you'd take as scum
So if there is scum in pinkball/clem, is Dunn town or scum
Town but I'll still lynch him because of Slax.
Okay

What confuses me about that is why it has to be a dichotomy, because it's hard to understand why there would be a difference between the pair being scum or town when Dunn is town

The only possibility I can think of is if it necessitates two scum elsewhere but I'm not seeing evidence of that...?
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Post Post #1799 (isolation #217) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:44 pm

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In post 1794, Celica wrote:Can you dumb that question down for me.
I guess more what I'm asking is if it's possible for it to not be a scumdunn v townpinktownclem, why does it need pink or clem to be scum for Dunn to be town
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Post Post #1803 (isolation #218) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:49 pm

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Who is Karen in this instance
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Post Post #1808 (isolation #219) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:55 pm

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Okay I'm seeing the fundamental difference in how we think now
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #220) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:00 pm

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I clash with like 1/3 of the site

It's not exactly rare
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #221) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:00 pm

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In post 1819, Alisae wrote:or go to bed
like reasonable people
reasonable people sleep now
i think
I'm tired but I can't sleep
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Post Post #1827 (isolation #222) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:02 pm

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In post 1825, Alisae wrote:
In post 1822, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1819, Alisae wrote:or go to bed
like reasonable people
reasonable people sleep now
i think
I'm tired but I can't sleep
WELL IM HIGH SO I DON'T WANNA GO TO BED MOM
Send me some

I could use a high to forget about how little sense this game makes
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Post Post #1830 (isolation #223) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:04 pm

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In post 1828, Alisae wrote:
In post 1827, Ankamius wrote:WELL IM HIGH SO I DON'T WANNA GO TO BED MOM


Send me some

I could use a high to forget about how little sense this game makes
DAD, MOM IS TRYING TO STEAL MY WEED
It's my weed now

Hand it over
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Post Post #1833 (isolation #224) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:06 pm

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In post 1832, Alisae wrote:
In post 1830, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1828, Alisae wrote:
In post 1827, Ankamius wrote:WELL IM HIGH SO I DON'T WANNA GO TO BED MOM


Send me some

I could use a high to forget about how little sense this game makes
DAD, MOM IS TRYING TO STEAL MY WEED
It's my weed now

Hand it over
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAD HELP CALL THE POLICE, KAREN IS TRYING TO TAKE THE WEED
Excuse me you need to respect your elders
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Post Post #1835 (isolation #225) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:08 pm

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WHY ARE YOU FIVE YEARS OLD AND SMOKING WEED
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Post Post #1843 (isolation #226) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:15 pm

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Well okay

I guess I'll try to sleep again
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Post Post #1887 (isolation #227) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:51 am

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I'm not mad at all but Nancy posted the links to probably my two most embarrassing games on the site within the last year
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Post Post #1890 (isolation #228) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:24 am

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I just spent this entire time getting a full list and my phone decided to give me the middle finger when I was adding the last game

So I'm not going to do that again
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Post Post #1905 (isolation #229) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:55 am

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well now it's kind of hard to justify wanting any specific gentleman to leave predance now that Reinhardt's slot is empty
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Post Post #1907 (isolation #230) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:56 am

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urist's case on me was pretty town though
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Post Post #1910 (isolation #231) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:02 am

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it's not rare for people who don't know how I play to scumread my playstyle

it's generally not hard to see who genuinely thinks I'm scum for it and who's just trying to push an agenda on it

the way he handled the read was annoying but I don't think it came from a scum agenda, no
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Post Post #1912 (isolation #232) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:09 am

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In post 1911, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1910, Ankamius wrote:it's not rare for people who don't know how I play to scumread my playstyle

it's generally not hard to see who genuinely thinks I'm scum for it and who's just trying to push an agenda on it

the way he handled the read was annoying but I don't think it came from a scum agenda, no
Well I obviously wouldn’t link you from Necromancer game. :lol:
yeah but it's a good example of me knowing what I'm talking about with this kind of thing, since that's kind of how I got an obvtown read of you that game

(also naturally the read changes if Urist hides behind the read all game since he's done very little else besides snipe at me and try to get people to talk about me)
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Post Post #1916 (isolation #233) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:17 am

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I'd still rather Nancy dance with Urist

it's probably the best shot we have at getting him out of his tunnel on me
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Post Post #1919 (isolation #234) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:27 am

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why have urist leave over adel and Reinhardtslot though
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Post Post #1921 (isolation #235) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:34 am

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Reinhardt because I think his entrance was scummy
Adel because his entrance wasn't really as bad but it ruffled more feathers

Urist has a lot more divided reads than either of them
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Post Post #1932 (isolation #236) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:40 am

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I still kinda feel like mcqueen is still coming at this game with the same rough mindset that I initially saw from him
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Post Post #1936 (isolation #237) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:50 am

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Spoiler:
In post 486, mcqueen wrote:You know what’s Krazy? Krazy was the IC in my first game on site.

Saw a couple posts. People aren’t offering dances? Sucks, cause I wanna offer to Nancy but I can’t look scummy right?
In post 1393, mcqueen wrote:cool. i know i said i'd read, but chances i do are realistically slim. however, i'm town and i'm not sure how to make that clear while not being able to keep up.
In post 1395, mcqueen wrote:i mean i do have time this weekend, so maybe i'll skim. i'd rather not replace out, though. this will help, even if it paints me as scummy for asking;

what is the current gamestate? i know we are figuring out who to pair with as a strategic measure. upon joining, i wasn't sure if i wanted to pull a Firebringer and request a dance right away, or follow suit with everyone else. i know who i want to pair with already and i've made that clear. so, to me, while i'm selfish and anti-town, i'm eager to request a dance now, and hope Nancy accepts.

who is generally being scumread, and the same with townreads? who is controversial?
In post 1397, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1395, mcqueen wrote:i mean i do have time this weekend, so maybe i'll skim. i'd rather not replace out, though. this will help, even if it paints me as scummy for asking;

what is the current gamestate? i know we are figuring out who to pair with as a strategic measure. upon joining, i wasn't sure if i wanted to pull a Firebringer and request a dance right away, or follow suit with everyone else. i know who i want to pair with already and i've made that clear. so, to me, while i'm
being
selfish and anti-town, i'm eager to request a dance now, and hope Nancy accepts.

who is generally being scumread, and the same with townreads? who is controversial?
added an important word before someone claims scumslip.
In post 1413, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1409, Allomancer wrote:But how are we supposed to know if you're scum? I think the point Celica was trying to make is that it's pointless guessing at your ali until we have more interactions (ie don't use process of elimination)
that's why i included "kinda stupid" because with no interactions or content, you're unlikely to know/think i'm scum (unless you think i'm lurkerscum)

but she still included i should get a partner if i'm scum. that shouldn't have been said. while i get the redundancy in me calling it out, at the same time, if i was scum and i happened to be the one to get left out, that's not a bad thing for the town as Celica makes it seem.
In post 1418, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1414, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1412, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1410, Ankamius wrote:I'm oh dearing because I've had a Krazy+Celica+mcqueen team in my head and the first thing you do is associatives with Celica
:lol:
There's evidence for it even without any of your input

You just happened to add to it
how is there evidence? i don't care what you think Krazy did to soft buddy me, I don't know Krazy's role and I haven't read enough of the thread to place him, either. It's certainly possible, but it still kind of annoys me that you think the dude who has a legitimate reason for lurking (and on V/LA, mind you) is mechanically scum.
In post 1434, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1430, Ankamius wrote:Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?
you're actually ticking me off. you are scumreading me almost solely based off your read of another player. i've come into the game now; why not let my play do the talking?
In post 1442, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1436, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1434, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1430, Ankamius wrote:Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?
you're actually ticking me off. you are scumreading me almost solely based off your read of another player. i've come into the game now; why not let my play do the talking?
So?

A scummy player is having scummy interactions you and you are reciprocating
i don't care what interactions Krazy had with me; you've written me off pretty hard so far, instead of seeing how I play. all I said to the guy was basically "hey it's cool to see you again, it's been awhile." you act like i can control what this guy says about me.
In post 1673, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1479, Slaxx wrote:Replaces out due to frustration, continues to post

Totally not theater.
i should iso krazy. seems genuine from the few pists i read.

cone at me bois all my micro reads are against the majority
In post 1704, mcqueen wrote:Ank why am i scum with celica and krazy?
In post 1717, mcqueen wrote:just; what makes me scum with them? Idc about krazy being lynched or much about celica, why was I put in there?
In post 1735, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1430, Ankamius wrote:Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?
Thanks @pvt

I actually saw this earlier. But, me coming in was not dependent on any potential ideas you have of me being scum with ejther of them. I had some downtime at college and decided to get on. Sooner or later i needed to do stuff in this game to prove my “obvtownness” others claim. So i took that free time and tried to use it. I’m sorry that i happened to show up at that time . But it’s NAI
In post 1736, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1734, PvtUrist wrote:
In post 1314, Celica wrote:
In post 1310, Alisae wrote:Celica pull up a chair, let’s talk.
I don’t think ur going with your pink ball push, and I don’t think your ank push is going to go anywhere atm.
What are some other topics you wanna talk about atm, because you’re wasting your energy atm and its starting to become hard to sort.
I'm debating if I want to pair with a gent I want dead because I don't think I'm making end game at the moment or if I want to go with Allo. My fear with going with Allo is he'll get dragged down with me. I'm confident in my town game giving my scum game is nothing compared to this, but it's hard to work off when I have no reason why I'm being scumread.
I think mcqueen should get a pair atm. I'd want adel or Rein left out of the dance, but I lean adel atm
*Actually this might be the post referred to
lol at my above then? i mean i see why Ank would think i’m scum, but i’m not . And frankly if I come in and play like my usual town self, with people who claim to read me easily, i don’t see why this post carries so much weight in Ank’s eyes
In post 1925, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1923, Slaxx wrote:People said McQ is an easy read... not seeing it.
Why not?
In post 1926, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1924, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1913, mcqueen wrote:I think PvtUrist is scummy. More to say about the latter in a minute.
In post 1618, PvtUrist wrote:2) Pre-dance mechanic that doesn't allowed pushing lynches on D1
Okay, this post intrigues me because it's true; but, I can kinda see how Urist's Ank-tunnel in this game, is similar to his support of EchoVision's mislynch on Day 1 in our Newbie game together. Yes, I'm going back to that; No, it might not be the best way to scumhunt; But, it's what I've got to work with right now.

Urist interacted with people pretty well on that Day 1, and EchoVision was more of a policy lynch, but at the time I replaced in, had I gotten more time, I wasn't feeling EchoVision!scum, but kinda had to go along with it. I'm not feeling Ank!scum here, either.

So THEN, on Day 2, is when Urist tunneled T-Bone, but both of us had scumreads on him and it was pretty obvious. Also, Urist was a Cop. Enter in where I'm not sure if his play here is because anyone who's town is just "town" (townie, almost) and not a PR, or if it's because he's scum.

Are we certain Pvt has that same power to control a lynch during the Dance phase? Certain posts of his strike me as having a different tone than that Newbie, while others feel similar. So, I'm not really sure and I'm keeping him at leanscum for now.
this feels extremely subpar for the level of town I like to play to, although I don't care and I'm going with it. This is my thought process, and I'm very open to any rebuttals against it.


like what I've been seeing of mcqueen's play is him being very self-conscious when he has eyes on him and otherwise just pushing things that don't really get anywhere. It's really weird to me how the only push he made needed an addendum about how he's open to being proven wrong when nobody had even commented on it yet
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Post Post #1937 (isolation #238) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:50 am

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In post 1933, Slaxx wrote:
In post 1932, Ankamius wrote:I still kinda feel like mcqueen is still coming at this game with the same rough mindset that I initially saw from him
Which if I recall was scummy, yea?

I’m going back and forth.
like am I high or something

his entire approach to the game feels like scum who is feeling like they entered a game they think they're going to lose
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Post Post #1938 (isolation #239) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:52 am

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In post 1937, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1933, Slaxx wrote:
In post 1932, Ankamius wrote:I still kinda feel like mcqueen is still coming at this game with the same rough mindset that I initially saw from him
Which if I recall was scummy, yea?

I’m going back and forth.
like am I high or something

his entire approach to the game feels like scum who entered a game they already feel like they're going to lose
I edited my phrasing to hopefully make a little more sense
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #240) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:58 am

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Why not
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Post Post #1945 (isolation #241) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:01 am

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Why would scum avoid an opportunity to clog the thread with a useless back and forth?
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #242) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:36 am

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Because having an extra influence on him outside of the thread is probably a much better way of getting him to shift his mindset than having conversations in the main thread where he will have to see my posts there too
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Post Post #1984 (isolation #243) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:06 am

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PB is town
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #244) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:09 am

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Tell your partner to obvtown then or at least try
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #245) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:10 am

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Try as in general try, not try to be obvtown

I can't remember a single thing he's done so it would be nice to have a read on him at all before predance ends
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Post Post #1992 (isolation #246) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:21 am

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Strong Town

PvtUrist
Slaxx

Moderate Town

Alisae
Allomancer
Nancy Drew 39
Pink Ball

Light Town

Dunnstral
Firebringer
Jibril
the worst

Null

Adelbert Steiner
Celica
Clemency
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Light Scum

Reinhardt

Moderate Scum

mcqueen

Strong Scum

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Post Post #1994 (isolation #247) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:21 am

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In post 1990, Allomancer wrote:
In post 1907, Ankamius wrote:urist's case on me was pretty town though
I debunked it tho.
it's an incorrect case but it's more likely to come from town than scum
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Post Post #1995 (isolation #248) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:22 am

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In post 1993, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 1987, Ankamius wrote:Tell your partner to obvtown then or at least try
He won't. I paired with him knowing the consequences beforehand and that's what I asked Slaxx long ago: why would scum PB pair with Clem? Why would town PB pair with Clem? Scum!PB could've paired with Alisae, but instead went for the lovable Clem, so there's no scum!PB, there's only town!PB who knows Clem will eventually be pushed for doing nothing and I'm preventing that by leaving early. Yes, I'm pretty much an IC who will take the shot in order to avoid future!town fucking each other by leading a lynch on Clem who could go either way instead of chasing the people who are being AI. Just look at how much people have talked about Clem when he has done absolutely nothing instead of making reads on people who is actually playing the game
if he's not going to play the game, then why is he here
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #249) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:28 am

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I'm sure our PT will be huge by the time we're dead
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #250) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:31 am

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it's a fragile read, allo
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Post Post #2007 (isolation #251) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:34 am

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In post 2005, Slaxx wrote:
In post 2001, Ankamius wrote:it's a fragile read, allo
It’s fragile but at the top?
yeah, so?
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #252) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:36 am

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In post 1996, Pink Ball wrote:Now that being said and that you know I'm town (again, don't try to push me, it's losing time 'cause I'm dying tomorrow), y'all follow Allomancer to death. Him being doubtful about pairing with Alisae is the towniest thing you will see in this thread. Alisae is a survivalistic kind of player, almost impossible to lynch because of her personality. Scum would LOVE to be paired to a player like that; being worried about how the chemistry between them would go instead of agreeing with me is town thinking about solving the game instead of scum thinking in surviving. So Allomancer will be my representative as conftown. You doubt anything he says, you eat rope
can you at least wait until second dance or when there isn't any other choice

because we kind of only have two lynches before intermission and I would rather not waste one on a pair that is really unlikely to yield any scum whatsoever
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #253) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:38 am

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In post 2009, Slaxx wrote:
In post 2007, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2005, Slaxx wrote:
In post 2001, Ankamius wrote:it's a fragile read, allo
It’s fragile but at the top?
yeah, so?
Idk, I think of strong town reads as resilient ones as well.
not to me

if I don't consider a player locktown, then my current read of them can change at any time

that's one of the main things that make me either very strong or very weak in a lot of games
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #254) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:41 am

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In post 2015, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 2012, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1996, Pink Ball wrote:Now that being said and that you know I'm town (again, don't try to push me, it's losing time 'cause I'm dying tomorrow), y'all follow Allomancer to death. Him being doubtful about pairing with Alisae is the towniest thing you will see in this thread. Alisae is a survivalistic kind of player, almost impossible to lynch because of her personality. Scum would LOVE to be paired to a player like that; being worried about how the chemistry between them would go instead of agreeing with me is town thinking about solving the game instead of scum thinking in surviving. So Allomancer will be my representative as conftown. You doubt anything he says, you eat rope
can you at least wait until second dance or when there isn't any other choice

because we kind of only have two lynches before intermission and I would rather not waste one on a pair that is really unlikely to yield any scum whatsoever
I haven't read the setup that much so I don't know the optimal time to leave. I'll check that later when it's More relevant. For now, let's enjoy the pre dance and solve this
sure

what are your thoughts on my reads
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Post Post #2023 (isolation #255) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:45 am

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Nancy where are your reads at
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Post Post #2026 (isolation #256) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:47 am

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Pink Ball:
In post 1932, Ankamius wrote:I still kinda feel like mcqueen is still coming at this game with the same rough mindset that I initially saw from him
In post 1936, Ankamius wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 486, mcqueen wrote:You know what’s Krazy? Krazy was the IC in my first game on site.

Saw a couple posts. People aren’t offering dances? Sucks, cause I wanna offer to Nancy but I can’t look scummy right?
In post 1393, mcqueen wrote:cool. i know i said i'd read, but chances i do are realistically slim. however, i'm town and i'm not sure how to make that clear while not being able to keep up.
In post 1395, mcqueen wrote:i mean i do have time this weekend, so maybe i'll skim. i'd rather not replace out, though. this will help, even if it paints me as scummy for asking;

what is the current gamestate? i know we are figuring out who to pair with as a strategic measure. upon joining, i wasn't sure if i wanted to pull a Firebringer and request a dance right away, or follow suit with everyone else. i know who i want to pair with already and i've made that clear. so, to me, while i'm selfish and anti-town, i'm eager to request a dance now, and hope Nancy accepts.

who is generally being scumread, and the same with townreads? who is controversial?
In post 1397, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1395, mcqueen wrote:i mean i do have time this weekend, so maybe i'll skim. i'd rather not replace out, though. this will help, even if it paints me as scummy for asking;

what is the current gamestate? i know we are figuring out who to pair with as a strategic measure. upon joining, i wasn't sure if i wanted to pull a Firebringer and request a dance right away, or follow suit with everyone else. i know who i want to pair with already and i've made that clear. so, to me, while i'm
being
selfish and anti-town, i'm eager to request a dance now, and hope Nancy accepts.

who is generally being scumread, and the same with townreads? who is controversial?
added an important word before someone claims scumslip.
In post 1413, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1409, Allomancer wrote:But how are we supposed to know if you're scum? I think the point Celica was trying to make is that it's pointless guessing at your ali until we have more interactions (ie don't use process of elimination)
that's why i included "kinda stupid" because with no interactions or content, you're unlikely to know/think i'm scum (unless you think i'm lurkerscum)

but she still included i should get a partner if i'm scum. that shouldn't have been said. while i get the redundancy in me calling it out, at the same time, if i was scum and i happened to be the one to get left out, that's not a bad thing for the town as Celica makes it seem.
In post 1418, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1414, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1412, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1410, Ankamius wrote:I'm oh dearing because I've had a Krazy+Celica+mcqueen team in my head and the first thing you do is associatives with Celica
:lol:
There's evidence for it even without any of your input

You just happened to add to it
how is there evidence? i don't care what you think Krazy did to soft buddy me, I don't know Krazy's role and I haven't read enough of the thread to place him, either. It's certainly possible, but it still kind of annoys me that you think the dude who has a legitimate reason for lurking (and on V/LA, mind you) is mechanically scum.
In post 1434, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1430, Ankamius wrote:Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?
you're actually ticking me off. you are scumreading me almost solely based off your read of another player. i've come into the game now; why not let my play do the talking?
In post 1442, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1436, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1434, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1430, Ankamius wrote:Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?
you're actually ticking me off. you are scumreading me almost solely based off your read of another player. i've come into the game now; why not let my play do the talking?
So?

A scummy player is having scummy interactions you and you are reciprocating
i don't care what interactions Krazy had with me; you've written me off pretty hard so far, instead of seeing how I play. all I said to the guy was basically "hey it's cool to see you again, it's been awhile." you act like i can control what this guy says about me.
In post 1673, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1479, Slaxx wrote:Replaces out due to frustration, continues to post

Totally not theater.
i should iso krazy. seems genuine from the few pists i read.

cone at me bois all my micro reads are against the majority
In post 1704, mcqueen wrote:Ank why am i scum with celica and krazy?
In post 1717, mcqueen wrote:just; what makes me scum with them? Idc about krazy being lynched or much about celica, why was I put in there?
In post 1735, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1430, Ankamius wrote:Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?
Thanks @pvt

I actually saw this earlier. But, me coming in was not dependent on any potential ideas you have of me being scum with ejther of them. I had some downtime at college and decided to get on. Sooner or later i needed to do stuff in this game to prove my “obvtownness” others claim. So i took that free time and tried to use it. I’m sorry that i happened to show up at that time . But it’s NAI
In post 1736, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1734, PvtUrist wrote:
In post 1314, Celica wrote:
In post 1310, Alisae wrote:Celica pull up a chair, let’s talk.
I don’t think ur going with your pink ball push, and I don’t think your ank push is going to go anywhere atm.
What are some other topics you wanna talk about atm, because you’re wasting your energy atm and its starting to become hard to sort.
I'm debating if I want to pair with a gent I want dead because I don't think I'm making end game at the moment or if I want to go with Allo. My fear with going with Allo is he'll get dragged down with me. I'm confident in my town game giving my scum game is nothing compared to this, but it's hard to work off when I have no reason why I'm being scumread.
I think mcqueen should get a pair atm. I'd want adel or Rein left out of the dance, but I lean adel atm
*Actually this might be the post referred to
lol at my above then? i mean i see why Ank would think i’m scum, but i’m not . And frankly if I come in and play like my usual town self, with people who claim to read me easily, i don’t see why this post carries so much weight in Ank’s eyes
In post 1925, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1923, Slaxx wrote:People said McQ is an easy read... not seeing it.
Why not?
In post 1926, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1924, mcqueen wrote:
In post 1913, mcqueen wrote:I think PvtUrist is scummy. More to say about the latter in a minute.
In post 1618, PvtUrist wrote:2) Pre-dance mechanic that doesn't allowed pushing lynches on D1
Okay, this post intrigues me because it's true; but, I can kinda see how Urist's Ank-tunnel in this game, is similar to his support of EchoVision's mislynch on Day 1 in our Newbie game together. Yes, I'm going back to that; No, it might not be the best way to scumhunt; But, it's what I've got to work with right now.

Urist interacted with people pretty well on that Day 1, and EchoVision was more of a policy lynch, but at the time I replaced in, had I gotten more time, I wasn't feeling EchoVision!scum, but kinda had to go along with it. I'm not feeling Ank!scum here, either.

So THEN, on Day 2, is when Urist tunneled T-Bone, but both of us had scumreads on him and it was pretty obvious. Also, Urist was a Cop. Enter in where I'm not sure if his play here is because anyone who's town is just "town" (townie, almost) and not a PR, or if it's because he's scum.

Are we certain Pvt has that same power to control a lynch during the Dance phase? Certain posts of his strike me as having a different tone than that Newbie, while others feel similar. So, I'm not really sure and I'm keeping him at leanscum for now.
this feels extremely subpar for the level of town I like to play to, although I don't care and I'm going with it. This is my thought process, and I'm very open to any rebuttals against it.


like what I've been seeing of mcqueen's play is him being very self-conscious when he has eyes on him and otherwise just pushing things that don't really get anywhere. It's really weird to me how the only push he made needed an addendum about how he's open to being proven wrong when nobody had even commented on it yet
In post 1937, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1933, Slaxx wrote:
In post 1932, Ankamius wrote:I still kinda feel like mcqueen is still coming at this game with the same rough mindset that I initially saw from him
Which if I recall was scummy, yea?

I’m going back and forth.
like am I high or something

his entire approach to the game feels like scum who is feeling like they entered a game they think they're going to lose
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #257) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:49 am

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In post 2028, Pink Ball wrote:Sorry that was at Ank; and saying mcqueen being slow was an intended pun, but I meant low obviously.

Pedit oh ok, so the scumread has progressed. How about those associatives you talked before?
In post 1712, Ankamius wrote:well tough

I specifically was waiting for krazy to respond to my accusation and him up and leaving instead basically put me in a position of not being able to test my own theory against itself and now I have enough people saying I'm wrong to just really not care about it anymore

so
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Post Post #2034 (isolation #258) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:57 am

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I don't think Nancy has done anything to obvtown at this point, but I'm not seeing any red flags to indicate that she's scum so :SHRUG:

it's probably not something worth revisiting until we already have two scum dead
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Post Post #2037 (isolation #259) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:00 am

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the problem is that she was extremely all over the place when I saw her as scum

and she's bragged to me multiple times that her scumgame has drastically improved so it's apparently a lot harder to pick it out

so who knows
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Post Post #2038 (isolation #260) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:00 am

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In post 2036, Slaxx wrote:
In post 2034, Ankamius wrote:I don't think Nancy has done anything to obvtown at this point, but I'm not seeing any red flags to indicate that she's scum so :SHRUG:

it's probably not something worth revisiting until we already have two scum dead
Not to be aggressive, but I’d prefer you didn’t give him an out to shut down discussion.

Especially if he plans on leaving early, I want his perspective now. He acted like he would be able to not have to worry about it after he’s dead but why not share it now for us to assess and use?
well I meant more actually pushing to try to flip her

but I understand your point
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Post Post #2048 (isolation #261) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:28 am

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Hi FB

What do you have for me
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Post Post #2062 (isolation #262) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:46 pm

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ohhhhhhh alisae is going dominatrix mode
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Post Post #2076 (isolation #263) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:16 pm

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In post 2072, Firebringer wrote:actually mcqueen is scum in this.
you're my new favorite
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #264) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:19 pm

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In post 2088, Celica wrote:
In post 1984, Ankamius wrote:PB is town
Nope
yes
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Post Post #2104 (isolation #265) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:56 pm

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do we have an idea for who we're going to lynch second so that we can give scum their free kill before being able to use any of the flip information
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Post Post #2106 (isolation #266) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:00 pm

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I'm getting less optimistic about our chances of winning this game every day
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Post Post #2109 (isolation #267) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:04 pm

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In post 2108, Slaxx wrote:Nooooooooooooooo

What does that even mean
idk

I wasn't even aware I was scumreading myself?
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Post Post #2111 (isolation #268) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:08 pm

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I promise I'm a lot less of an asshole outside of mafiascum.net
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #269) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:16 pm

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In post 2114, Alisae wrote:
In post 2106, Ankamius wrote:I'm getting less optimistic about our chances of winning this game every day
Wait you thought Town was going to win a game of mafia?
yeah

my mistake, I usually win the games I replace into rather than the ones I join from the start
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Post Post #2121 (isolation #270) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:52 pm

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clemency is already doomed to being sacrificed

Jibril is not
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #271) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:00 pm

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well considering we've been waiting for replacements for a couple days and duckling is first on the list

we might be waiting until close to deadline
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Post Post #2129 (isolation #272) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:45 pm

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In post 2124, mcqueen wrote:
In post 2108, Slaxx wrote:Nooooooooooooooo

What does that even mean
In post 2109, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2108, Slaxx wrote:Nooooooooooooooo

What does that even mean
idk

I wasn't even aware I was scumreading myself?
It means, if I was you, and there was another mcqueen, and I was scumreading the mcqueen, I’d also feel like town’s chances of winning are decreasing by the day.

i.e. maybe if your reads were better you’d feel better.
my own read strength is kind of irrelevant to why I'm hitting that point

it's more the fact that it's becoming more and more clear to me over time that this town is not going to be able to function properly when it counts
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #273) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:53 pm

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In post 2134, mcqueen wrote:that probably starts at you. i actually don’t mind most of your reads, but don’t say something like this when you have Urist as conftown and me as the scummiest person in the game
see

this exact attitude is exactly what's going to lose town the game

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Post Post #2144 (isolation #274) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:56 pm

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that's already the end of it alisae

if anyone cares enough to look at what I mean then they can figure it out themselves

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Post Post #2162 (isolation #275) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:21 am

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In post 2153, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2106, Ankamius wrote:I'm getting less optimistic about our chances of winning this game every day
It think some bad choices in pairings have been made.

Slaxx should have chosen me or Alisae over Dunn

and I’m of course concerned about Fire threatening to flake.

As for Ank/Allo, Ank got screwed mechanically.
The problem is more fundamental than that

I think that the way everybody's reads have shaken up is going to result in people feeling slighted if they aren't listened to and we don't get results, which is likely with Pink Ball/Clemency apparently being suicided at the start of the game and being likely town, as well as the fact that with that happening, we only have one lynch before scum gets their kill and IC choice.

The problem is that if we have all 3 scum alive and get to this point, then we are pretty much screwed unless we have someone who is both correct and able to rally everybody around them despite the fights that are happening.

I CAN be the rallying force, but I don't have the willpower to do that this game and I need to be very confident in my ability to read the game first, which is unlikely to happen since it's looking like I will have very little time to read the replacements since they are taking so long and the first dance is looking like it will be too short to build a solve around.

The only other person here I think has the ability to be that rallying force in that situation is Alisae, but I really don't see em being able to keep eir willpower up long enough to do it either.

So I'm not exactly sure what the path to a win is, because this is looking like it will be a loss in the longterm the farther the game goes without progressing correctly
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Post Post #2179 (isolation #276) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:49 am

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scum are unlikely to pair together anyways since that's like 20x more risky than having TvS pairings
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Post Post #2190 (isolation #277) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:01 am

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In post 2188, Pink Ball wrote:Noooooo Clem my boo :( :(

Damn I was ready to stop reading the thread since I was going to kamikaze tomorrow, but with a new partner it's not optimal with me being obvtown and with my partner being probtown.
You shouldn't kamikaze in the first place
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Post Post #2192 (isolation #278) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:49 am

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What are your reads
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Post Post #2194 (isolation #279) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:02 pm

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Are those scumreads
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Post Post #2197 (isolation #280) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:06 pm

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Okay good talk

Back to the abyss I go
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Post Post #2202 (isolation #281) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:16 pm

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Sigh
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Post Post #2208 (isolation #282) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:35 pm

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Thank you FakeGod for continuing to create and run these interesting setups with how often the games themselves turn toxic or run into other problems
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #283) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:55 pm

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I'm really regretting coming back to this site
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