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Post Post #2975 (ISO) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:13 pm

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Ok, seems reasonable.
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Post Post #2976 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:22 am

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Prod received.
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Post Post #2977 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:40 am

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In post 2974, Michael Scott wrote:I think what's best is if you move to the bottom again, and drag ProFlavor beneath you (If jjh927 is lynched). This way, Varsoon's quite a few positions away from ProFlavor *and* Alchemist|You. I think the only way to kill him in that case would be an air attack; and if Almost Chara is town, they should mostly block it, thus forcing scum to perhaps choose a different target.
This is the kind of plan I could see being from either alignment. On one hand yeah it’s keeping people in your solve away where they might have a harder time killing Varsoon, but it’s also dragging one of them outside of Varsoon’s killing range which is kind of sus.
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Post Post #2978 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:53 am

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so what do i need to know

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Post Post #2979 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:44 am

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Votecount 3.6

jjh927(3)
~ (131), (30), (36)

Tibor and Lumia(1)
~ (26)
ProFlavor(1)
~ (29)


Not Voting (4): Almost Chara(22), Mewtaph(19), Alchemist21(12), ProFlavor(3)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-02-06 00:04:42)


MOD REMINDERSVarsoon needs a prod. The last post was at: 2/1/2019 8:42:00 AM which was 2 days 8 hours 0 minutes 37 seconds ago.

Tibor and Lumia has failed to pick up their prod so I will put in the replacement request.

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Post Post #2980 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:50 am

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Firebringer replaces Tibor and Lumia
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Post Post #2981 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:52 am

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i am only going to read the last 20 or pages. I haven't been keeping up with this.
a summary of important shit would be nice.
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his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #2982 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:53 am

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i did read varsoons terribad push yesterday on worst/shoshin slot. That shit was toxic.
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Post Post #2983 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:09 pm

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Hey man, sorry I'm awful
again.
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Post Post #2984 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:09 pm

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Sometimes you think you're right and then you're not.
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Post Post #2985 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:32 pm

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do you ever think back on your pushes during them and are like "hey maybe I should tone it down here I am going a bit over board here"
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Post Post #2986 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:51 pm

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Every now and then, yeah. Then the person I was pushing like that usually does something to tilt me all over again.
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Post Post #2987 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:04 pm

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In post 2977, Alchemist21 wrote:This is the kind of plan I could see being from either alignment. On one hand yeah it’s keeping people in your solve away where they might have a harder time killing Varsoon, but it’s also dragging one of them outside of Varsoon’s killing range which is kind of sus.
Eh, on further thought I don't think it matters. Night actions resolve before movement, so if my solve's right Varsoon can be NK'd anyway.

Also, I'm kinda against Varsoon using his vig, too.
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Post Post #2988 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:01 pm

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To be perfectly clear, Jjh is not "just" a scumread for Auro and I -- we consider him to be
mechanically proven scum
.

This is what Jjh claimed:
In post 2766, jjh927 wrote:Go on then-

I was a drone who had to choose a place to build a hatchery N1, and I wanted #7 but apparently was put in #8. Can't move after that.

Now I'm a building and a bulletproof one at that.


So yeah I can't really say I figured out Varsoon's role with just my role PM proficiency. I have crumbed pretty much everything in my role.



Can we not popcorn it? I want Brass next
In post 2775, jjh927 wrote:Or you're scum who doesn't like playing scum when an invulnerable jjh927 just revealed himself and started playing the game
In post 2776, jjh927 wrote:This is like, last call on removing me from the game
In post 2778, jjh927 wrote:I'm not unlimited BP that would be dumb
In post 2781, jjh927 wrote:That said my pm specifically points out that certain abilities might be able to bypass my bulletproofness so maybe it's not last call
So his claim essentially is that he is a drone that turns into a hatchery that is "bulletproof unless hit by an ability that bypasses my BP". Notice he said never said anything about being X-shot BP -- he is claiming that the only way he could be nightkilled is if he is hit by a specific ability that bypasses his BP.

"unlimited BP hatchery unless hit by a bypassing shot" is not a real role because that would be nearly impossible to balance. It's very unlikely that all three scum have the ability to outright bypass BP, because it wouldn't make sense for the entire scumteam to have this ability. So if, say, only one scum has the ability to bypass BP, and if that scum were to be lynched, that would literally make Jjh 100% immune to nightkils for the entire remainder of the game. And that's why it's a fake role that doesn't exist.

Jjh is scum and needs to be lynched today.


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Post Post #2989 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:50 pm

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this is coming from me, and i'm still scumreading jjh, but.
he did explicitly claim he isn't unlimited BP. he didn't say if he was x-shot or not. he could be odd or even night, or something else.
roles that bypass BP would be a strongman.
and he later claimed scum might need to use two kills or something.

jjh does need to fullclaim his BP, i agree with that. how many shots he has and the circumstances of how he might die. but he isn't mechanically confirmed anything.

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Post Post #2990 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:52 pm

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also i really don't think we need to be doing anything to prevent scum killing Varsoon. no offense to him but when he's this disillusioned with his own play and his chances of winning this game? we don't need to be pulling all these stops to protect him. if i was in his position i certainly wouldn't be happy about being dragged to lylo.
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Post Post #2991 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:54 pm

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is jjh still at l-2? i'll probably vote there due to deadline and inactivity. Varsoon shouldn't shoot if he flips town. if he flips scum i think a pintu shot would be best.
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Post Post #2992 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:57 pm

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In post 2976, Alchemist21 wrote:Prod received.
hi Alch, remind me where you're at right now? game is super inactive and if MS is power scum we're losing this one. if not i think we're still okay.
jjh feels like an inevitable lynch and that's what worries me about him being town. i know that scum could just not be putting their full effort in, of course, but when it's minimum effort in a gamestate like this to be active, it's a great time for the scum to make sure things are going their way.
it's also very likely we'll die tonight if scum doesn't shoot Varsoon so i'd to talk while i'm still here.
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Post Post #2993 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:58 pm

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In post 2981, Firebringer wrote:i am only going to read the last 20 or pages. I haven't been keeping up with this.
a summary of important shit would be nice.
i'm town, you're town, and as a collective we have killed a lot of town. that's about it.
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Post Post #2994 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:18 pm

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In post 2991, Almost Chara wrote:Varsoon shouldn't shoot if he flips town. if he flips scum i think a pintu shot would be best.
Agree on the former; what makes you think Pint is bussing jjh927? Any strong evidence pointing to them being scum together, or simply because they'd be adjacent then?

I'm of the mind that a jjh927 scumflip indicates Pint is more likely town.
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Post Post #2995 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:41 pm

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hm. you might be right, actually. i was thinking that pintu scum looked like it'd make sense with this gamestate, especially if jjh flipped town, but i got it confused in my head.
i don't have any strong feelings anymore that jjh will actually flip scum, is the issue. but not lynching him seems foolish.
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Post Post #2996 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:52 pm

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In post 2989, Almost Chara wrote:this is coming from me, and i'm still scumreading jjh, but.
he did explicitly claim he isn't unlimited BP. he didn't say if he was x-shot or not. he could be odd or even night, or something else.
roles that bypass BP would be a strongman.
and he later claimed scum might need to use two kills or something.

jjh does need to fullclaim his BP, i agree with that. how many shots he has and the circumstances of how he might die. but he isn't mechanically confirmed anything.

Mewtaph: you were because of how you seemed to casually be in everyone's scumlist with no one really interested in lynching you. it just was giving me that sort of feeling.
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If Jjh is town and he is X-shot BP, that is exactly what he should have said upfront. I don't expect anyone to say
how many
shots it takes to break the BP, but X-shot BP should be stated upfront. In fact in his initial roleclaim post, the only thing he stated was that he is bulletproof. That's it. He then called himself "invulnerable” and talked about how today was "last call" to kill him, as if to suggest that he is immune to nightkills. It was only after being pressed by T&L on the legitimacy of his roleclaim that he went on to say, "I'm not unlimited BP" followed by "there is a shot that can bypass my BP". Again, he never explicitly stated that his BP would be destroyed after X-shots, so his claim read as "I'm not unlimited BP, there is a shot that can bypass my BP". In other words, his BP is not destroyed by X amount of "regular shots" (i.e., a normal scum nightkill); the
only
way it could be destroyed is if hit by a certain ability (that only one scum would likely have) that
bypasses
his BP. That would be an overpowered role and thus is not possible.

If Jjh's roleclaim was supposed to be, "I am an
X-shot
bulletproof hatchery. There is
ALSO
a certain shot that can bypass my BP", then
ALL of that should have been immediately stated upfront in ONE post with his entire roleclaim
. He didn't even include the bit about the shot that can bypass his BP in his initial roleclaim post, he only shared that detail in a later post
AFTER
T&L called him out on his claim being fake. And he never directly stated that he is X-shot BP.
That's how we know that his roleclaim is fake and that he is scum
.

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Post Post #2997 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:07 pm

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If anyone needs a recap on the exchange between Jjh and T&L, please review posts - . Jjh only shared more details about his roleclaim after T&L claimed limited-shot BP and called Jjh out on his claim being fake.


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Post Post #2998 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:24 pm

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In post 2995, Almost Chara wrote:hm. you might be right, actually. i was thinking that pintu scum looked like it'd make sense with this gamestate, especially if jjh flipped town, but i got it confused in my head.
i don't have any strong feelings anymore that jjh will actually flip scum,
is the issue. but not lynching him seems foolish.
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Jjh is scum. Aside from the issues with respect to how he claimed, there aren't three town-aligned BP roles in this game. We've claimed BP, T&L claimed BP, and Jjh claimed BP. We know that we are town, and we strongly believe that T&L (Firebringer now) is town as well. Which leaves Jjh as scum.

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Post Post #2999 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:27 am

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VOTE: JJH

Also fine with this.
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