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Post Post #1500 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:34 pm

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In post 1494, Weiss Schnee wrote:Stan solve is: Alonzo, Jibril, {Kyouko or Creature} -- Stan, if you had decide between kyouko and Creature, which would you choose and why?
Atm im thinking creature because of:
In post 1192, TTTT wrote:I spoilered this last time but nobody reads spoilers...
In post 514, Creature wrote:For the rest of page 1 I'll just say Emperor flippyNips and TTTT are town.

I'm not that much of a spammer.
In post 689, Creature wrote:
In post 623, Slaxx wrote:Idk how TTTT flips town if Ruby flips town here.
What about it makes them not TvT?
In post 690, Creature wrote:
In post 659, Weiss Schnee wrote:why TTTT?
His interaction with Emperor FlippyNips looks TvTT
In post 810, Creature wrote:Okay, Slaxx, stan1ey and Flavor Leaf are all bad ideas. Where do we go next?
In post 843, Slaxx wrote:
Claim Vengeful Townie
In post 844, Slaxx wrote:Let me shoot TTTT
In post 853, Creature wrote:VOTE: Slaxx

Okay, I can see it being optimal now
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Post Post #1501 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:37 pm

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Actually I'm wrong, if they have a roleblocker they can block joges to stop a kill and then kill weiss to stop you telling us your result....
Okay its a little harder than i originally thought to win but still lynching alonzo is best
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Post Post #1502 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:44 pm

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They might not even hace a roleblocker? Neither you nor joges have been blocked so far right
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Post Post #1503 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:55 pm

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In post 1501, stan1ey wrote:Actually I'm wrong, if they have a roleblocker they can block joges to stop a kill and then kill weiss to stop you telling us your result....
Okay its a little harder than i originally thought to win but still lynching alonzo is best
OK, I think maybe you get why you kinda spooked me there then?

Also I reread your iso and you had no serious votes on scum until basically today so that's really concerning too

I think I need to just sit down and try to reprocess some of this game tomorrow some time

I'm kinda just going stream of consciousness tonight and I'm hoping that's not more distracting or unhelpful for town
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Post Post #1504 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:10 pm

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Yeah thats fine, if me being relaxed is whats worrying look at it from my perspective we have 8 players left, 4 are confirmed town and 1 is like 99% confirmed scum
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Post Post #1505 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:55 pm

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In post 1485, Jibril wrote:Stan1ey, ssb, creature eager to jump on Alonzo after he gets a vote. Those 3 make sense now. But I will go with or's decision.
Also can I just point out that jibril is saying me creature and ssb are scum - completely ignoring that alonzo and weiss counter eachothers claims!!

Also i feel like jibril has now thrown in ssbm because both her and alonzo were throwing creature under the bus lmao

Im pretty sure its creature over ssbm now
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Post Post #1506 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:06 am

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Okay, Weiss can rolecop me.
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Post Post #1507 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:53 am

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stan why is weiss confirmed town?
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Post Post #1508 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:26 am

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Because of the claim
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Post Post #1509 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:53 am

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Why can't the claim be fako? As Alonzo said, you want to believe in a claim that just checks dead people?
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Post Post #1510 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:02 am

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In post 1509, or wrote:Why can't the claim be fako? As Alonzo said, you want to believe in a claim that just checks dead people?
I don't buy it very much either, but as long we follow the {Jibril, ssbm, Weiss} PoE, we should be alright.
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Post Post #1511 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:08 am

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creature: Weiss or Alonzo which one do you believe more? Both? Neither?
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Post Post #1512 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:26 am

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In post 1485, Jibril wrote:Stan1ey, ssb, creature eager to jump on Alonzo after he gets a vote. Those 3 make sense now. But I will go with or's decision.
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Post Post #1513 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:47 am

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In post 1511, or wrote:creature: Weiss or Alonzo which one do you believe more? Both? Neither?
Well, I already made it clear I don't believe Alonzo. As for Weiss, well, I don't see anything that excludes this from being a scum theater.
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Post Post #1514 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:27 am

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Or how do you feel about kyouko?
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Post Post #1515 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:37 am

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I still think she's scum.
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Post Post #1516 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:47 am

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I think Weiss' claim makes her play throughout day 2 make a lot of sense
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Post Post #1517 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:34 am

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In post 1514, Weiss Schnee wrote:Or how do you feel about kyouko?
I don't have enough to go off of.
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Post Post #1518 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:15 am

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this game feels like a sudoku puzzle with all the interactions going on. here's where I'm having issues with, and I think is crux for me to solve today's game. Where did the n1 kill go?

Right now the only plausible explanation I have is that Alonzo blocked Creature successfully, which prevented him from N1 kill. This is also the simplest explanation, although Alonzo's claim is very fishy, since I don't think scum targets Flippy for the NK.

Can someone give me a different reason?
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Post Post #1519 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:23 am

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In post 1518, or wrote:I don't think scum targets Flippy for the NK.
why do you feel so strongly on this? Both me and FL were strongly TRing him, and I think he was very nearly a universal townread. I mean, clearly not universal, given joges, but... I don't really see why scum wouldn't shoot him?

I agree though that the way alonzo claimed has me kinda going in circles. But I just don't townread him outside of that. If he thinks he blocked a kill on Creature n1, why is he not thinking he was rb'd last night and instead is exclusively focusing on me? I just don't get any part of his thought process here, and I haven't gotten his thought process throughout the game.

I feel like at least one of the people enthusiastically pushing for his lynch would have to be a bus. The question is whether it isn't a bus, but instead a powerwolf blitz for win.

That's really why I want us to rule out some people if we can. Honestly I thought rereading Mumble's meta would make me say "this is town" so we can feel more strongly that there isn't a 3-man team outside of Alonzo but I actually did not find that to be the case looking back on some games.

Honestly I'm getting frustrated here though, Alonzo isn't spewing at all, so I am really tempted to just say we lynch there, get the flip, and then hope we have a better full solve tomorrow with some night actions.

I'm almost more waiting on Joges to tell me who I can rolecop. I don't want to gate him by more than one person so I'm pretty okay being leashed here.
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Post Post #1520 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:46 am

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because fl claimed weak investigative.
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Post Post #1521 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:59 am

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I mean, sure, but:
a) scum would not shoot FL if scum thought FL was lying (which seems likely given I thought FL was lying)
b) scum would not shoot FL if scum thought FL would be protected by a doctor
c) scum would not shoot FL if Stan was town and they knew FL would not have a guilty n1

So, given flippy was a near-consensus townread and unlikely to be protected, maybe they opted to kill him instead of FL?
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Post Post #1522 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:01 am

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Also, flip exclusively voted town power roles. His reads were bad enough that scum might have killed him for negative d2 associations.
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Post Post #1523 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:02 am

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In post 1518, or wrote:Can someone give me a different reason?
Yes, I can, but I don't want to tell.
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Post Post #1524 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:04 am

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Ok, so rereading the game feels a little like doing a sudoku puzzle that I'm really stuck on.

A couple things that stood out particularly to me: I think Jibril is town. RB looked town. FL thought Jibril is town, and I think Jibril is town. I think you [Weiss] are town, or at the least should not be lynched today.

The Stan vs Slaxx earlier on in Day 1 felt like s v t. Stan, despite being an extremely viable wagon just never received steam to go through, which is really strange considering the deadline business. I'm also not impressed by stan's push on what I think has been majority town, and his Weiss is 100 percent town seems like too much information.

Creature is also another scum read I'm having. Continuing on TTTT's case, stan-creature's dance, and the whole post count business. But I have to say, his posts today really warms me as town, and I often see myself agreeing with him. But I don't think town creature comes up "Alonzo + ssbm + Weiss" and says yep that's it - this is such a difficult set of reads, especially when he gives no reasons to discount stan scum is extremely fishy.
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