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Post Post #19250  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:13 pm

In post 19249, YellowSnow wrote:I mean we have a clearly racist president which doesn't make it easier for conservatives to argue that but the president doesn't speak for the average conservative I think.

then why is his approval rating among republicans so high?
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Post Post #19251  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:15 pm

[quote="In post 19251, Psyche"][/quote]

Because most republicans think any conservative is better than any liberal. Also there is an anti government sentiment that Trump taps into.

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Post Post #19252  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:15 pm

There are plenty of conservatives that aren't racist.

But the racists vote republican

So if Republicans don't like being identified with White Nationalism they should clean house.

Liberals didn't make the kkk vote republican (well, except by being the party to support the civil rights act..) but we do seem to be the only ones that give a shit that ya'll are aligned with them.


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YS, you hit it on the head with that comment. The President is a Republican and a white nationalist. If one voted for trump, then he voted for a white nationalist

If that's not "supporting white nationalism" then what is? Do they have to change the elephant to a burning cross first?
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Post Post #19253  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:15 pm

In post 19248, YellowSnow wrote:It's easier for liberals to call conservatives a bunch of racists than to admit there are valid reasons to be conservative that aren't racist.

I think they (liberals) have a complex of pity.
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Post Post #19254  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:16 pm

I want poor people to die and decrease the surplus population. What could be wrong with that? Duppence is duppence, after all.
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Post Post #19255  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:16 pm

I recommend you to watch out because they must have a very different definition of racism than you.
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Post Post #19256  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:17 pm

doesn’t make sense as a thinking process
when im asked if i approve of my boss i don’t answer based on whether he’s the worst boss possible or not but rather based on whether he meets reasonable standards for a boss or not
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Post Post #19257  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:17 pm

In post 19252, YellowSnow wrote:Because most republicans think any conservative is better than any liberal. Also there is an anti government sentiment that Trump taps into.


If a person has an easier time stomaching a white nationalist in the oval office than making sure people have healthcare and allowing dreamers to stay

like, I'm sorry, but that person has fucked up priorities, and has a greater than random chance of being a racist
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Post Post #19258  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:18 pm

In post 19255, RadiantCowbells wrote:I want poor people to die and decrease the surplus population. What could be wrong with that? Duppence is duppence, after all.

I wasn't talking about financial condition.
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Post Post #19259  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:23 pm

I don't think socialist economic policies are as popular as many people seem to think. And a lot of people will stomach a racist president as opposed to a liberal economic policy.

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Post Post #19260  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:27 pm

In post 19257, Psyche wrote:doesn’t make sense as a thinking process
when im asked if i approve of my boss i don’t answer based on whether he’s the worst boss possible or not but rather based on whether he meets reasonable standards for a boss or not

those reasonable standards are going to include comparing your boss to other bosses you had though. otherwise what standards do you make for a good boss if doesn't include comparison.
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Post Post #19261  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:29 pm

I think most people approve of their boss if he signs your paycheck.

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Post Post #19262  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:32 pm

In post 19260, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think socialist economic policies are as popular as many people seem to think. And a lot of people will stomach a racist president as opposed to a liberal economic policy.

I think people weight what president has the ideas that match the most with them and also put a congress to prevent them from going wild. It boils down to who's more manipulable to the center.
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Post Post #19263  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:33 pm

In post 19260, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think socialist economic policies are as popular as many people seem to think. And a lot of people will stomach a racist president as opposed to a liberal economic policy.


The sad part of this is that very few liberals in America are actually socialists. Even those that call themselves democratic socialists are usually social democrats, which is still mostly capitalistic. But it gets used as a buzzword and people buy into the McCarthyist scare tactics.

As far as racism goes, the majority of America and the right is not racist, but a lot of them definitely overlook way too much when it's a candidate on their side.
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Post Post #19264  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:33 pm

In post 19260, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think socialist economic policies are as popular as many people seem to think. And a lot of people will stomach a racist president as opposed to a liberal economic policy.


If that doesn't make them racists, it certainly makes them racist-adjacent, and it highlights the gap in commitment to tolerance between Democrats and Republicans


Look at the difference in treatment between Rep Steve King and Gov. Northam.

Steve King said racist shit for years and years before finally pushing the republican party to slap his wrists

Nearly every democrat in the damn country has called for Northam to resign immediately.

In this country one party considers racism absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.

So yeah, we can debate whether the Republican party is "racist" but the practical realities are obvious and unhidden
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Post Post #19265  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:34 pm

not true about the boss, people could hate them but be stuck with them.
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Post Post #19266  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:40 pm

In post 19264, Agent Sparkles wrote:
In post 19260, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think socialist economic policies are as popular as many people seem to think. And a lot of people will stomach a racist president as opposed to a liberal economic policy.


The sad part of this is that very few liberals in America are actually socialists. Even those that call themselves democratic socialists are usually social democrats, which is still mostly capitalistic. But it gets used as a buzzword and people buy into the McCarthyist scare tactics.

As far as racism goes, the majority of America and the right is not racist, but a lot of them definitely overlook way too much when it's a candidate on their side.


I guess that's your opinion. Most liberals would vote for a democrat, even if they were, say, pro life or pro death penalty even if they disagreed with those positions.

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Post Post #19267  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:40 pm

In post 19265, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19260, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think socialist economic policies are as popular as many people seem to think. And a lot of people will stomach a racist president as opposed to a liberal economic policy.


If that doesn't make them racists, it certainly makes them racist-adjacent, and it highlights the gap in commitment to tolerance between Democrats and Republicans


Look at the difference in treatment between Rep Steve King and Gov. Northam.

Steve King said racist shit for years and years before finally pushing the republican party to slap his wrists

Nearly every democrat in the damn country has called for Northam to resign immediately.

In this country one party considers racism absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.

So yeah, we can debate whether the Republican party is "racist" but the practical realities are obvious and unhidden

Actually I'm surprised people event elect them if they say racist things as often I think you're describing here. Like, is there no other viable non-racist Republican candidate out there?
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Post Post #19268  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:41 pm

In post 19261, Firebringer wrote:
In post 19257, Psyche wrote:doesn’t make sense as a thinking process
when im asked if i approve of my boss i don’t answer based on whether he’s the worst boss possible or not but rather based on whether he meets reasonable standards for a boss or not

those reasonable standards are going to include comparing your boss to other bosses you had though. otherwise what standards do you make for a good boss if doesn't include comparison.

there have been loads of times i disapproved of what obama was doing without thinking “boy i wish we had a republican instead”
i mean, maybe i just wished i had a more consistent or competent avatar of my values?
the idea that this is somehow hard to grasp by conservatives is either false to an insulting extent or speaks a lot to their tribalism
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Post Post #19269  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:41 pm

Also yeah, I sorta expect someone to overreact over a policy that would make them pay for something that likely won't even benefit them.
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Post Post #19270  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:44 pm

In post 19269, Psyche wrote:
In post 19261, Firebringer wrote:
In post 19257, Psyche wrote:doesn’t make sense as a thinking process
when im asked if i approve of my boss i don’t answer based on whether he’s the worst boss possible or not but rather based on whether he meets reasonable standards for a boss or not

those reasonable standards are going to include comparing your boss to other bosses you had though. otherwise what standards do you make for a good boss if doesn't include comparison.

there have been loads of times i disapproved of what obama was doing without thinking “boy i wish we had a republican instead”
i mean, maybe i just wished i had a more consistent or competent avatar of my values?
the idea that this is somehow hard to grasp by conservatives is either false to an insulting extent or speaks a lot to their tribalism

i am very confused by the last sentence here psyche
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Post Post #19271  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:44 pm

In post 19265, u r a person 2 wrote:In this country one party considers racism absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.


In this country one party considers sexual harassment and abuse absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.

In this country one party considers homophobia and transphobia absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.

The not-bigoted conservatives sure can stomach a lot in the name of tax cuts.
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Post Post #19272  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:49 pm

In post 19272, u r a person 2 wrote:In this country one party considers homophobia and transphobia absolutely intolerable

If by homophobia and transphobia you mean something like this site's rule, then surely a lot of people would be hella scared that their humour sense could get themselves arrested.
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Post Post #19273  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:50 pm

In post 19272, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19265, u r a person 2 wrote:In this country one party considers racism absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.


In this country one party considers sexual harassment and abuse absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.

In this country one party considers homophobia and transphobia absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.

The not-bigoted conservatives sure can stomach a lot in the name of tax cuts.


I don't think that's a fair statement. I think most republicans would prefer a conservative tax code and equal rights for minorities.

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Post Post #19274  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:55 pm

In post 19268, Creature wrote:Actually I'm surprised people event elect them if they say racist things as often I think you're describing here. Like, is there no other viable non-racist Republican candidate out there?

He's a member of the house of representatives, which means that his entire district is roughly 700,000 people.

Because of how gerrymandering and demographics work, it's nearly impossible to elect a democrat (or any other party) to his seat.

He has faced primary challenges from within his own party on a few occasions, but people don't really pay attention to primary contests for safe seats like his, and very little money is spent on these campaigns.

In the elections of 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2018, he only faced a primary challenger twice, in 2016 and 2018. Vote totals for those contests were less than 45,000 people, roughly 1/7-1/10 of the number of votes cast in the general election.

tl;dr: You would think there would be more competition to be a congressman, but really no one pays attention until the choice is Republican vs Democrat

and then, like YS has pointed out, they hold their nose and vote their party (or embrace the racism, w/e)
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