Micro 844: Geriatric Half Mast Nightless [Endgame]

[Gamma Emerald]

Whoa hold the fuck up, you gonna lynch before I get the chance to say anything? Pretty awful play if you ask me. Congrats URperson2 and Shoshin: you start with a deficit of towniness!
Now onto actual reading plans. This is my second time replacing into a game with posting restrictions of this kind so I’m gonna attempt to use the same method or a similar one I did last time (for reference, the previous time was Mini 1934).

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Since I just noticed slimer was voting there before he replaced out.
Gonna catch up now.

[Gamma Emerald]

{Shoshin, Urap} town bloc

let's gooooooo

i don't agree with your reasoning on slimer. He's still null

BH's entrance pinged me in that I-should-have-known-just-from-RVS sort of way. It's supes awkward.

It also jokingly endorses the whole idea that town should be wary of wasting posts, which encourages lurking discourages discussion. I know that this rule set nominally encourages that behavior which makes BH's comments a little less scum-indicative, but honestly the post restrictions are not that oppressive.

VOTE: brassherald

I agree with this assessment of brass.

Also feel like Cheeky is town on Page 1.

This might be the perfect playerlist to do this. Y'all wanna do some RAoPS? (Random Asking of Philosophy Stage) where we hit each other up with some philsophical questions about how we view the game should be played? Yes? Please? Yes?

10 posts every 24 hours is a lot lmao I don't think I really need to hardcore restrict myself.

First question should be, do you believe in lynching lylo liabilties (aka policy lynching people who are troll-y)?

Now that I’m not scum I want to really engage this. If I had two equally strong scumreads and one was a lylo liability I’d probably opt to vote them. But if I had a stronger scumread I’d go for that.

@

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Is this a rose? Nice!

RQS is scummy

WHAT? I feel like I’m more inclined to do it when I’m town so what makes you say this?

Slimer isn't a Jester? That probably won't make sense to anyone but that's okay for now.

This related to the recent Jester Nightless? If not what does it mean?

Brassherald, why did you have to townslip of all people? You were already my strongest townread.

I am uncertain on OkaPoka. but I am a sheep.
VOTE: theslimer3

Well I wasn’t, so it helps me. Think in terms of the collective my comrade.

Just how in the hell are you getting so many town reads by page 4?

For some reason this post feels scummy.

Yay! Good work team. Great posting.

Wat

If NL has been paying enough attention to notice Brass' slip then surely she would have noticed other things that she could comment on if she were actually scumhunting.

I assume you think NL hasn’t posted many other thoughts, which I think isn’t true?

[Gamma Emerald]

i thought there were more votes on maestro. running out the door but have my vote back

VOTE: maestro

Well yeah, I removed slimer’s vote there
I’m still catching up but prolly won’t finish today. As such I’m not gonna worry about finishing just yet and talk in the now.

[Gamma Emerald]

WOW, no one posted while I was aft (absent from thread).

[Gamma Emerald]

No. What don’t you get about letting me read?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll be here later today hopefully
Sorry for not posting for a while, I want to make significant progress catching up and posting when I’m not ready hurts that

[Gamma Emerald]

Page 5-8 of catchup

Okay, I'm even dumber than I thought, someone else said two in a different game, I said two early because I thought this was that game when I was posting originally, and now, I'm just a real idiot, so it was all me, I am wrong and like, that's really all I can say, I know you don't really believe me, Cheeky, but I can only report the news, not force you to believe.

I still think shoshin's handing out town reads like it's candy on Halloween is suspicious, which is why my vote has not changed.

I could see U2 as scum, but I feel he has moved more towards townie than scum since my last post and Shoshin has not.

You have been rubbing me wrong the whole game for some reason, Cheeky, but I can't put my finger on why so I haven't really brought it up because I don't want to try to sell a gut feel to anyone else, but I don't understand this push on no lunch at all, he's null on my reads, and I generally have fewer town reads than anyone on the site from my recollection.

Aubrey does not have enough content for me to be confident with but I'm not feeling that as scum anymore.

Slimer looks cool now, slimer is the town block.

I need more from No Lunch and Maestro.

For the first time ever, I'm going to provide a tiered read list, insert this anywhere you want, and it'll still be valid.
Town: {Me}
Scum: {It's everyone else, isn't it? I've lost}

Sorry Oka, but brass feels Town to me here.
Did you ever answer my question btw, Oka?

Invisible was obvscum in PYP early on and I was in a really bad place, personally, then. Specifically, my relationship with my fiance was falling apart and I played different because of that. I'm an emotional guy.

As to how handing out TRs helps scum, its the long con, I saw rb do it once where he handed out town reads and acted like he was bussing his team, but as the deadline approached, he'd inevitably "compromise" and lynch town.

To chime in on the subject, I saw rb do this in Mini 1905 I think, it’s been a while since that game happened.

Excellent, U2 tell me how it makes any sense to lock!town me and then a few posts later say oh no you did it too early?

giving people town reads too early is something I'm working on presently. In our game together, I town read pintu too early, too.

-snip-

I had this problem in my second coalition game too where I let DVa pocket me but then on reread I called her out, and she turned out to be scum.

okay

VOTE: cheeky

The problem, CT, is that you told me to check out their last

FEW

games.
You implied that you had done a meta dive of no lunch (you say you have no experience with them, but say they are far from their town meta -> you did a meta dive)
If you had done any meta work on No Lunch, you would have known they only have one game to look at.
But you told me to check out their last few games.

Analysis:
You misled town when you implied that you had looked into No Lunch's meta.

Town has no reason to do this.

You are scum.

Ooh. I have a personal interest in this misleading meta point as I’ve caught scum with it myself. In You’ve Got Mail, Thor presented a bunch of meta to try and justify a scumread on me, and I ended up ripping through it proving that their analysis of my games was way off, and if they had analyzed my games properly their read might make more sense, and I think I extrapolated from that info that Thor was bullshitting his sorting.
So I agree this is probably scum indicative for Cheeky.

Although probably not both of {maestro, oka}

It would be kind of weird for them both to come out in strong defense of cheeky with wall posts two minutes apart as a scum team

This is unironically funny to me.

Pray tell, why would that be weird if you see us both as Scum? Scum have Daychat cuz there's no Nights idjit they could be doing whatever the fuck they want. Also, I wasn't explaining

why I was quoting posts

, I was explaining why my catch-up was weirdly disjointed. It's like you're not even reading, my dude.

I agree with UPerson2’s post below: day chat makes it less likely they’d double up the defense. This makes me think Oka is town.

I'm sad that my townreads scumread me.

Not impressed by this AtE

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh I forgot to ask it
Who do you think is/was a lylo liability this game?

[Gamma Emerald]

lol k

[Gamma Emerald]

well i was townreading him because he seemed to do an active read and catchup to solve but he gone again and now my townread doesnt exist because this is how scum gamma plays

This is gross, you’re not going to account for geriatric affecting my playstyle, which I’ve already stated is the case?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am bust, yes, and the reason why I'm not near the cap is I'm trying to not go overboard.
Resuming catch-up now, fuckers

[Gamma Emerald]

I decided on that choice of words, because I have heard of you through acquaintances who play here.

Who?

Stop fishing and play the game.

I'll be mislynched before I give away identifiable information.

If you can't read me without meta even after pretending to have meta dived me, that is a you-problem and not something I need to correct.

I am a fairly easy read.

lol k
I was fine with whatever way you got your info but keeping your sources hidden makes things fishy.

Dat Cheeky turn around on U2 is so quick it gave me whiplash.

Why did you decide U2 was town so suddenly?

Indeed. Looked like she saw a hint of blowback and retracted. That's not how town behaves imo.

Anyway the point of this was to get you guys sorting each other - don't worry about sorting me, you can assume I'm scum. If I'm scum you'd want me to spew all my stances on others so there's no reason to shut me down early.

This line feels quite organic imo. Town points for Cheeky.

Cheeky's still making stuff up because Maestro didn't WK her.

I'm open to lynching Aubrey/Oka instead of Cheeky.

I'm never lynching Brass. I'll consider NL/U2 only if there's 4 players left.

Yuck. Looks like a scum lynch order, especially the two people she'd lynch at 4 left. those sound like her My/LyLo plan.

Town reads are too numerous, I don't remember loving the analysis.

I'd like to refer you to my town meta, then. I especially urge you to take a look at American Presidents since you modded the game, but also take a look at any other recent town games (TAZ, Fifth Fortnight, Mini Normal 2042, or even A Story Revisited).

In terms of analysis, I tend to say less than I'm actually thinking so if there's anything you don't understand, please ask. I'd also appreciate if you could reread as objectively as possible so that you don't let confirmation bias cloud your judgment.

Why'd you leave out Labyrinth? Kinda fishy tbh.

Oka, I still throw out lots of townreads as scum because it's my town meta but those reads are much more targeted towards a scum agenda (e.g. pocketing, survival, etc.).

If I were scum in this game, I'd never townread Brass because he's a wild card who can't be pocketed plus an easy mislynch among players who don't know how to read him (and it would have been easy to push a mislynch on him because he doesn't even know that I'm capable of reading him). The fact that I'm saying he shouldn't ever be lynched is strongly town indicative for me.

I don't see reason to trust this since it's self-meta.

[Gamma Emerald]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooor

and hear me out

we flip cheeky and lower the number of required reps to one

so far I have had nothing but success with this method

[CITATION NEEDED]

Spoiler: Up to Page 8

Oops, didn't realize what geriatric was. Waste a lot want a lot. I'll cram everything in to one post then:

VOTE: No lynch
Found scum

I believe attempting to no lynch in a nightless setup is far more likely to come from a member of the mafia. I am but an advocate for midday calorie reduction.

VOTE: theslimer3

Feel like #5 was pretty obviously a joke but okay.

theslimer's probably town. If scum, I doubt he starts the game by needlessly attracting attention to himself.

theslimer's probably town. If scum, I doubt he starts the game by needlessly attracting attention to himself.

Ha. Hahahahaha

Clearly you've never played with me

That doesn't look like SVS and I like Shosh's attempt to leave RVS early, so we can call Shosh town.

VOTE: No lynch
Found scum

I believe attempting to no lynch in a nightless setup is far more likely to come from a member of the mafia. I am but an advocate for midday calorie reduction.

VOTE: theslimer3

I'm buying what this guy is selling both as a read and as dieting advice

VOTE: slime

What's worse than making a vote on an obvious joke? Sheeping one.

u r a person 2 is town as well. I like how the game is going so far.

You lost me

Not sure yet. Scum can't afford too many townreads on town in this setup so challenging them early is plausible play from scum. At the same time, the "???" isn't how I see scum going about that. Feels more like genuine confusion at how anyone could have a townread so quick. So if I had to guess, maybe town?

{Shoshin, Urap} town bloc

let's gooooooo

i don't agree with your reasoning on slimer. He's still null

BH's entrance pinged me in that I-should-have-known-just-from-RVS sort of way. It's supes awkward.

It also jokingly endorses the whole idea that town should be wary of wasting posts, which encourages lurking discourages discussion. I know that this rule set nominally encourages that behavior which makes BH's comments a little less scum-indicative, but honestly the post restrictions are not that oppressive.

VOTE: brassherald

Good early interactions. Didn't like URP@'s first vote but the early attempt to prod and solve looks really good. I'm cool with that being null-town.

My thoughts are some people put way too much weight on RVS votes and I don't trust reads this super early, even my own.

Also I generally have no idea what Aubrey is trying to say. And did not remember there was a person named No Lunch in this game until you voted for him/her.

To use a phrase I have used in the past, and generally explain why I don't get what Aubrey is saying, I'm not getting the plain English meaning of the words he is posting.

That's gross.

I am comfortable making reads, I just question them constantly early on.

People should weigh up initial posts, I just do think there are some who put too much weight into them, and then write long winded posts about them, and those people are more likely scum trying to find an easy read out of nothing.

Initial thought is this is that wordy type of scum that tries to make themselves seem like theyre analyzing the game but busts a circuit trying to fabricate reads. This is all airy hypothetical BS that says nothing.

This might be the perfect playerlist to do this. Y'all wanna do some RAoPS? (Random Asking of Philosophy Stage) where we hit each other up with some philsophical questions about how we view the game should be played? Yes? Please? Yes?

10 posts every 24 hours is a lot lmao I don't think I really need to hardcore restrict myself.

First question should be, do you believe in lynching lylo liabilties (aka policy lynching people who are troll-y)?

I fucking hate this shit.

It distracts from the game. I think misguided town do it sometimes but it feels like a way to waste a solid 48 hours of play. I think it is NAI here since no one was coming under fire

but

the lack of commenting on anything else going on reads as null-scum.

What about lurkers? Would you policy lynch people who actively prod doge etc.? If you scumread someone vs troll/lurker, do you pick the latter lynch early game?

Why would you ever vote for a policy lynch over a legitimate scum read? That's just poor play. I spent a while crusading against Policy Lynching in general but have backed off that quite a bit since then, but lynchin g a scum read is obviously the better option here.

I don't do reads lists, however, I will share a few quick thoughts so far.

Shoshin is sus to me, its been a while since I'm around, but damn, the early townblocking looks like a big case of buddying to me, feel free for people to tell me why I'm wrong, I love being told I'm wrong.

VOTE: Shoshin

u r a person 2 has me frustrated with a comment about an obvious joke being an "endorsement" as if anyone in the world has ever fucking listened to me or that I am actually going to conserve my posts. But, that being said, I do get called awkward constantly, and I doubt shoshin and this person are both scum with the early town block of the two of them if there are two.

Oka, I want to know what you actually think about policylynching for reals, because I've been confused before when people are asking someone to clarify whether they believe the question, so please do that for me.

The rest of you can count on me reading your shit and sorting you as time goes, which is not to say I have not sorted you or that I have, just that if I have, I am choosing not to share at this time.

I'm a Wildcard.

-Brass Conservation Awkward Herald Awkward, Wildcard.

Okay...But URAP2 is the one that did the town bloc so...no? Also well-justified early townreads are really nice. Strongest scum read so far is brass with Oka as a followup.

brassherald's town based on his paranoia that I'm buddying via early townreads.

I don't like Oka's posting. Lots of words to say nothing.

VOTE: Oka

Shosh is like. So town.

u r a person 2 has me frustrated with a comment about an obvious joke being an "endorsement" as if anyone in the world has ever fucking listened to me or that I am actually going to conserve my posts. But, that being said, I do get called awkward constantly, and I doubt shoshin and this person are both scum with the early town block of the two of them if there are two.

Hey I'm sorry I called you awkward. I couldn't think of a better word at the time.

I have no idea whether people listen to you or not.

It was a read out of, and to move us out of, RVS. Recent postings read slightly town

I like the move to Oka. I don't understand why you would actively move us back towards a random whatever when we were already quickly leaving RVS. As sho insinuated, you used it as a chance to say nothing of value from a sorting perspective while looking active

VOTE: oka

Yes. This is good. Good. I'm on board with the Shosh/UPA2 townblock.

I'm not liking Oka, to be fully honest. I am not a fan of people who suggest policy lynches over voting for actual scum reads. I get that we don't have any PRs, but you should be able to play to tell the difference between, say, Not_Mafia and a scum player. I'm not sure if it's lazy or scum.

As to Shoshin over U2, it's mostly because I don't want to be making votes based on less logical and more emotional thinking. U2's post that was pinging me might have just been emphasized in my head because it was about me, and I don't want to do that and I didn't want to let myself do it. That being said, I may have over adjusted in my attempt to be more rational.

I still don't feel good Shoshin and I would also prefer to have that slot sorted early to U2 right now, as well. I am not really at real confidence in my reads just yet, so vote is more of a sorting vote/I can only vote for one person at a time vote.

Jesus christ he is leaving his options open. This is scum.

I'm kinda liking U-r-a-Person-2's demeanor so far.

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Shoshin is someone I have a raised eyebrow on. The first read came across as a potential fabrication. Now that she has explained it, I understand it better, but I'm still not on board with her reasoning.

"First person generating a wagon = town"

. And as far as I'm concerned, 2 votes doesn't make a wagon right out the gate. I don't know what to make of the Bass read yet.

I do like the energy being put out right at the beginning of the game though.

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I've had the pleasure of briefly seeing Cheeky's scumplay as we were both partners at one time. And by pleasure I mean she constantly attacked me left and right. Totally two different scum players. How's it been dude?

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I fear Oka is going to be a pain for me to read and grasp. It's so spontaneous. The way he writes is perfect for his avatar though.

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I haven't put much thought into Brass. The only thing that stuck out to me was the sense of anger after receiving criticism from U-r-a-Person. it didn't seem necessary, but I don't know how indicative that is to either alignment.

More yucky weak stances. Null-scum.

brassherald's town based on his paranoia that I'm buddying via early townreads.

I don't like Oka's posting. Lots of words to say nothing.

VOTE: Oka

Still want an answer to mh previous question. But this is a good vote.

VOTE: OkaPoka

Yes it is.

actually, no, i think the no lynch early is nai

The fact he withdrew part of his case is probably town-indicative. Show's transparency and not driving lynches.

Brassherald, why did you have to townslip of all people? You were already my strongest townread.

I am uncertain on OkaPoka. but I am a sheep.
VOTE: theslimer3

Not convinced that is a town slip. This does make NL look more town though.

Just how in the hell are you getting so many town reads by page 4?

This does not read as frustrated town. If this flips scum, whatever town reads were reaching a consensus here were probably correct.

Still don't see what Shoshin means by

Lots of words to say nothing.

Cheeky response by quoting me, but I don't feel it so ehh? Its going over my head.

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Brass I think that we should lynch people that will get autolynched in lylo or corrupt how lylo is played out. For example, someone who straight up lolhammers should be autolynched before lylo. Saving them for "later reevaluation" is naive.

Not planning this game (or any game) for lylo is setting up for failure.

Town can piece together the game a lot better as the game goes on (should be self-evident) thus wouldn't you want the best people to be there when you have the most to work off of? Assuming that we can be successful with little-no information is just silly and at that point we are rolling dices to win. Especially in mountainous games where interaction is key to finding things out.

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Nothing slimer has done is AI.

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Townslipping does not exist and solidifying townreads off of "townslips" and early interactions is yikes.

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u r a person 2 is getting scary close to how i played DDU.

VOTE: u r a person 2

Don't know what no lunch sees in u r a person 2 but whatever.

Yikes.

if there isn't scum between Cheeky and Shoshin I'll retire. handing out townreads everywhere in a game where 1/3 of the list is scum, is hilarious.

...why. If you have 3 townreads in a game of 2:7 is it that crazy to have three townreads in a game of 3:6? This has face value but when you follow it to its logical conclusion doesn't really mean much. Also, there was a townbloc on page 1 or 2 and that just...escaped you?

Cheeky's weird, but always weird. Her alignment is contingent on the accuracy of her reads.
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Brassherald, I've played PYP with you. Why weren't you like this? Or why aren't you like you were in PYP?
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no lunch you are voting slimer?

How is no one voting him yet?
VOTE: OkaPoka

....#132 why the hell is there a wagon on shoshin...no wonder I'm coming in under heat.

Cheeky, are you voting u r a person 2 because you agree with my assessment or something else?
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no lunch are you an alt?
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maestro is starting to border on the lurking territory, I'd hate to policy lynch, but I'm not afraid to policy lynch.


More thoughts later today hopefully

"I'd hate to policy lynch but I'm not afraid to policy lynch" a lurker...no mention of Maestro...This is like, scum.

Oh my fucking god. #175 is Oka

scumreading URAP2 for Oka's scum meta.

Like what in the actual hell.

#177 from Brass is bad. Reeks of bandwagoning opportunism. Spent two paragraphs on the people they didn't vote then just calls that slot scum and votes. okay.

I got tired of doing PbyP's so thats reaction to #177. U2AP and Shoshin are town, I'm taking that to the bank.

@UP2
Maestro and OkaPoka are 2 of the scum. If #174 isn't distancing I truly don't know what is. #189 seems a bit ballsy for that but I still think it is the right choice, especially after you gave them confidence in #188. #213 is a giant copout not to scumhunt.

I'm fine with OP or Maestro but VOTE: Maestro. This flips scum. I think I left a Oka vote somewhere in the spoiler tags but I can't be fucked to go back and read it.

First vote on Maesto that isn't my slot. I get the feeling scum weren't planning for this wagon, so I'll put this down as town.

You aren't misrepping. I've been in your shoes and laughed at policy lynches, but I've seen too many games get too close or lost because certain slots weren't dealt with earlier. C9++ should be evidence enough for a game that got too close. I do mention maestro though in that sentence. I still deep down don't like policy lynching, but its a necessary evil.

Anyways I can see why you think that I'm using my own scum meta to case U2. I really can. But it goes beyond that. I'm just citing my own play as examples of why U2 play is scum-indicative. If you want, ignore the me part of the equation. U2 is still guilty of what I accuse him of, I just want to see if Cheeky got what I was saying, because getting Cheeky sorted was the most important factor for me this game. Its not meta. Its thinking like scum to catch them.

I feel like this interaction between Oka and UPerson2 is two town interacting.

I'm out of posts, but we've got time in the day to entertain this for a hot minute

@slaxx did you read the thread before replacing in? Did you choose CT's slot over Slimer's?

UNVOTE:

I went in blind. I like nightless vanilla type setups and hopped in. No choice, just saw it in the replacement queue and hopped in.

btw a word on this (this has nothing to do with any reads). Mods are supposed to replace in the order of "first opened, first filled". A queue style.

Hi Slaxx. You seem more likeable than your pred.
VOTE: OkaPoka

VOTE: Oka

Not a fan of the sudden momentum towards OkaPoka.
There's a lot on this one page tbh.

Hooooo boi the replacements are wagoning me

Yeah this is a nice spot of shade.

VOTE: maestro

VOTE: Maestro

Hm. Shoshin voting there kinda hurts my scumread on her. though it is kinda late on the wagon, maybe the plan was to let Maestro hammer?

This is all the stuff before I posted but I still need to look at the newer stuff closely. probably will ease off the wallpost gas though.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: let gemma get 2 words in

yeah it's possible Maestro was intended to hammer. Remember him posting before hammer though so I'll see what he does there before concluding on what I think the wagon comp should be.

The only way in which you give out townreads that early is tonereading shoshin.

None of my reads have anything to do with "tone." You need to break out that box you're in,

stretch your mind

a bit. My reads are based on predictions about what players would do as either alignment when confronted with this environment.

As an example, I townread Brass/NL in part because both would have been doing a lot more work as scum to pocket me (an action, not a "tone"). Why are you saying my reads are based on "tone" when they'er obviously based on predictions about likely behaviors?

I don't like this at all from you. It feels like you're trying to shake confidence in my reads without actually addressing their substantive content.

HI!
Brass you seeing this?

So you base these predictions off of ___

Its tonereading.

Sure you can have extra reasons that follow after blah blah. But your predictions are off of what?

Gamma is town because scum gamma doesn't actually read the thread and post reads. sample size = 3.

I did that in Mini 2041 though?

VOTE: Maestro

Yup. Shoshin definitely still on the table for scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi I might finish this tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Shoshin
Really don’t see my vote not going here so I’m fine voting before being fully caught up.

[Gamma Emerald]

Although probably not both of {maestro, oka}

It would be kind of weird for them both to come out in strong defense of cheeky with wall posts two minutes apart as a scum team

Although probably not both of {maestro, oka}

It would be kind of weird for them both to come out in strong defense of cheeky with wall posts two minutes apart as a scum team

This is unironically funny to me.

Pray tell, why would that be weird if you see us both as Scum? Scum have Daychat cuz there's no Nights idjit they could be doing whatever the fuck they want.

Also, I wasn't explaining

why I was quoting posts

, I was explaining why my catch-up was weirdly disjointed. It's like you're not even reading, my dude.

emphasis mine

I've been going back and forth. Does this spew oka town? I think it might.

Agreed.

Meh page 4 really makes it looks like not Gamma. Also idk Gamma super well but I don’t think he throws a fit as scum about his buddy being hammered. Still going back and forth on Oka as well. I think it’s Aubrey (idk if I buy his vote on maestro as I hinted yesterday) and the. Maybe one of my town reads is wrong.

Slaxx is right about one thing: why would I pitch a fit about lynching Maestro when it would probably reflect poorly? I could have just said “hold up” in the scum PT most likely.

regardless of alignment, I sincerely respect your play so far, btw.

Prior to your replacing CT, I would have argued that a maestro red flip implicated your slot. I'm aware that you led the push to maestro. I just think we need to see where everyone is at wrt your slot.

I think Slaxx is town for leading that wagon btw.

[Gamma Emerald]

K. Whose the flag bearer then?

Honestly, I don’t care about aiming to lynch flagbearer. That’s got half the chances of hitting correctly over just aiming for scum, and we can theorize what the plan was if we hit non-flag bearer scum anyway.

I promise it wasn't a loaded question that answer just baffled me.

So, I find myself actually agreeing with Oka. If Aubrey flips red her Brass starts looking really bad in his ISO. We probably shouldn't be townblocking him. You/Shosh I think are the only people I am comfortable with seeing in endgame, lynching whoever is third. Hopefully we can get endgame on Day 3 or 4 though.

Why so worried about people thinking your question is loaded?

Lynching to hit a flag bearer at the expense of lynching to hit scum is an awful strategy.

Exactly.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's get on with this game. Lynching Oka/Aubrey/Gamma should win the game. If not, lynch Slaxx, U2, NL, in that order.

hm, maybe it’s Shoshin and brass

Let's get on with this game. Lynching Oka/Aubrey/Gamma should win the game. If not, lynch Slaxx, U2, NL, in that order.

[unv][/unv]

Consider me voting Shoshin because I see no commitment to... anytihng basically
HURT: Shoshin

I'm not realy clear on Cheeky's wagon but he's only a null for me for

reasons

and I'm honestly really fknig pissed somebody thinks I'm WKing them since that's something I don't trhink I do that as either alignment so I'm almost tempted to say "fuckit, have your lynch if you want"

There was a wagon on Shoshin and I both with three votes.

I townread Shosh and I’m not scum so my best guess is that he didn’t want to attract attention to himself, but I also have an inkling that maybe both wagons already had scum on them.

I got the feeling from this he wanted to avoid commiting yo voting Shoshin.

Like, especially if an Aubrey lynch happens and Aubrey flips red, just remember who here is trying to push a counterwagon on me because I'm "not producing original content" like I'm some fucking monkey who as to jump through hoops for you and play a specific way rather than the way I have proven multiple times works and gets results.

The argument is a shit one in general tbh
Like I can’t count the number of time people have accused me of “not scumhunting” when I was town. Maybe fucking recalibrate your shitty read metrics.
And FYI this isn’t a scumtell from Slaxx, it just means I dislike his reasoning

I feel like it's shoshin and slaxx, because as I said, I don't see the aubrey scum read, and no one seems to be willing to share about it. I got some sarcastic shit remark about my own post as if I hadn't already reviewed before my question and that's it.

Hm. Looks like there was some support for Shoshin voting before I did it. Wonder why no one acted on it until I did.

If we're not lynching Aubrey, we lynch Oka. Don't overcomplicate this game, please.

is gamma in your lynch pool?

I pretty clearly am from her previous posts, why’d you ask?

[Gamma Emerald]

OkaPoka (1):

no lunch 541

VOTE: Aubrey

Oka clearly hasn't checked Shoshin meta.

Uh...

[Gamma Emerald]

Hot take: Everything is wrong and it’s NL/Shosh

I’m down with this idea

[Gamma Emerald]

What ya'll think about a gamma wagon?

Hm, this combined with his last post tells me UPerson2 is rather interested in alternative options
and Slaxx you need to get a spine, your posting on the same page as this post gives me the feeling you're letting people sway your reads too much.

Whoa hold the fuck up, you gonna lynch before I get the chance to say anything? Pretty awful play if you ask me. Congrats URperson2 and Shoshin: you start with a deficit of towniness!
Now onto actual reading plans. This is my second time replacing into a game with posting restrictions of this kind so I’m gonna attempt to use the same method or a similar one I did last time (for reference, the previous time was Mini 1934).

i dont have the historical accuracy with gamma or the confidence level to be sheeped

for me, when sheeping people on a scum read I'm looking for 1 - (historical read success rate)(read confidence) < (chance slot rolled scum)

but we should lynch aubrey or gamma today

p.edit who do you see NL as scum with? I kind of see him as scum only in a world where he is scum with you

Wdym historical accuracy? I don't remember playing with you ever? WTF?

Yeah, it's later than I would have expected it. I'm going to drop this now, as I do not want to run astray of the rules, but, this may be an actual scum tell.

I need to ponder it.

FYI there's probably enough free info to discuss this. Not that I really think it's relevant rn, and it wouldn't do much more than re-affirm me read if I'm right.

[Gamma Emerald]

we can absolutely discuss instances where the game is completed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, show some follow through then
like I feel like you frequently have been changing reads, which probably isn't a scum thing but does mean you should get more engaged

[Gamma Emerald]

FOS: URAP2

Don’t want to just throw a vote down immediately but this is where my suspicions lie rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Hell. Fucking. Yes.

Gamma let’s jam. Where did that come from?

I’ve already expressed suspicions about the way URAP2 is lynch shopping. My pet theory rn is he and Aubrey aw scummates and he wanted to cancel the bus.

[Gamma Emerald]

FOS: URAP2

Don’t want to just throw a vote down immediately but this is where my suspicions lie rn

Why are you holding on to your vote?

Because I don’t like voting just as a day is starting. It’s a personal principle.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think brass is still town
Not even 1% surprised by the Shoshin flip

Then why did you hammer?

Two reasons. Guess.

You’re Mafia and needed a town flip.

There I guessed, give me something better.

Why are you not interested in seeing things from my perspective?

Why are you making him play guessing games?

[Gamma Emerald]

Pls don’t hammer out of pure boredom

[Gamma Emerald]

Pls don’t hammer out of pure boredom

I would still like an answer. I promise not to hammer without a response from no lunch.

Thanks
Had a game where the same idiot lolhammered like 5 town in a row in a Nightless setup, throwing the game completely to scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

And btw the fucker that did so replaced in

[Gamma Emerald]

Where is Gamma anyway?

Gamma, for your return, can you let me know what you think on both Slaxx and Oka?

Still think Oka is town.
Slaxx not so much.

[Gamma Emerald]

Argh I'm back
I'm not avoiding thread, it's just not priority one rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I wish Gamma was here. I miss Gamma.

I’m here now
What do you wanna talk about?

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to say Slaxx is town still for bringing town towards the Maestro lynch but that could have been a bus play for large towncred, idk.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also think Oka is town but U2 I’m down with lynching

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright u gucks I’m gonna destroy everything at some point so prepare ur butts

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s enough time on the clock that I don’t feel like I’d be putting a replacement into a shitty situation

replace out

I’d been hoping to force myself to do this by hyping myself up but I’m not feeling it at all

[Gamma Emerald]

Nothing like my replacement sheeping me to help me realize I was awful this game even beyond being a flake

[Gamma Emerald]

But hey thanks for the compliment Vedith? If you think I'm worth sheeping that means something