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Whoa hold the fuck up, you gonna lynch before I get the chance to say anything? Pretty awful play if you ask me. Congrats URperson2 and Shoshin: you start with a deficit of towniness!
Now onto actual reading plans. This is my second time replacing into a game with posting restrictions of this kind so I’m gonna attempt to use the same method or a similar one I did last time (for reference, the previous time was Mini 1934).<Embrace The Void>
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I agree with this assessment of brass.In post 16, u r a person 2 wrote:{Shoshin, Urap} town bloc
let's gooooooo
i don't agree with your reasoning on slimer. He's still null
BH's entrance pinged me in that I-should-have-known-just-from-RVS sort of way. It's supes awkward.
It also jokingly endorses the whole idea that town should be wary of wasting posts, which encourages lurking discourages discussion. I know that this rule set nominally encourages that behavior which makes BH's comments a little less scum-indicative, but honestly the post restrictions are not that oppressive.
VOTE: brassherald
Also feel like Cheeky is town on Page 1.
Now that I’m not scum I want to really engage this. If I had two equally strong scumreads and one was a lylo liability I’d probably opt to vote them. But if I had a stronger scumread I’d go for that.In post 27, OkaPoka wrote:This might be the perfect playerlist to do this. Y'all wanna do some RAoPS? (Random Asking of Philosophy Stage) where we hit each other up with some philsophical questions about how we view the game should be played? Yes? Please? Yes?
10 posts every 24 hours is a lot lmao I don't think I really need to hardcore restrict myself.
First question should be, do you believe in lynching lylo liabilties (aka policy lynching people who are troll-y)?Is this a rose? Nice!
WHAT? I feel like I’m more inclined to do it when I’m town so what makes you say this?In post 52, CheekyTeeky wrote:RQS is scummy
This related to the recent Jester Nightless? If not what does it mean?In post 76, Shoshin wrote: Slimer isn't a Jester? That probably won't make sense to anyone but that's okay for now.
Well I wasn’t, so it helps me. Think in terms of the collective my comrade.In post 80, no lunch wrote:Brassherald, why did you have to townslip of all people? You were already my strongest townread.
I am uncertain on OkaPoka. but I am a sheep.
VOTE: theslimer3
For some reason this post feels scummy.In post 92, Aubrey wrote:Just how in the hell are you getting so many town reads by page 4?
WatIn post 99, CheekyTeeky wrote:Yay! Good work team. Great posting.
I assume you think NL hasn’t posted many other thoughts, which I think isn’t true?In post 99, CheekyTeeky wrote: If NL has been paying enough attention to notice Brass' slip then surely she would have noticed other things that she could comment on if she were actually scumhunting.<Embrace The Void>
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Well yeah, I removed slimer’s vote thereIn post 352, u r a person 2 wrote:i thought there were more votes on maestro. running out the door but have my vote back
VOTE: maestro
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Sorry Oka, but brass feels Town to me here.In post 104, brassherald wrote:Okay, I'm even dumber than I thought, someone else said two in a different game, I said two early because I thought this was that game when I was posting originally, and now, I'm just a real idiot, so it was all me, I am wrong and like, that's really all I can say, I know you don't really believe me, Cheeky, but I can only report the news, not force you to believe.
I still think shoshin's handing out town reads like it's candy on Halloween is suspicious, which is why my vote has not changed.
I could see U2 as scum, but I feel he has moved more towards townie than scum since my last post and Shoshin has not.
You have been rubbing me wrong the whole game for some reason, Cheeky, but I can't put my finger on why so I haven't really brought it up because I don't want to try to sell a gut feel to anyone else, but I don't understand this push on no lunch at all, he's null on my reads, and I generally have fewer town reads than anyone on the site from my recollection.
Aubrey does not have enough content for me to be confident with but I'm not feeling that as scum anymore.
Slimer looks cool now, slimer is the town block.
I need more from No Lunch and Maestro.
For the first time ever, I'm going to provide a tiered read list, insert this anywhere you want, and it'll still be valid.
Town: {Me}
Scum: {It's everyone else, isn't it? I've lost}
Did you ever answer my question btw, Oka?
To chime in on the subject, I saw rb do this in Mini 1905 I think, it’s been a while since that game happened.In post 115, brassherald wrote:Invisible was obvscum in PYP early on and I was in a really bad place, personally, then. Specifically, my relationship with my fiance was falling apart and I played different because of that. I'm an emotional guy.
As to how handing out TRs helps scum, its the long con, I saw rb do it once where he handed out town reads and acted like he was bussing his team, but as the deadline approached, he'd inevitably "compromise" and lynch town.
I had this problem in my second coalition game too where I let DVa pocket me but then on reread I called her out, and she turned out to be scum.In post 126, u r a person 2 wrote:
giving people town reads too early is something I'm working on presently. In our game together, I town read pintu too early, too.In post 125, CheekyTeeky wrote:Excellent, U2 tell me how it makes any sense to lock!town me and then a few posts later say oh no you did it too early?
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Ooh. I have a personal interest in this misleading meta point as I’ve caught scum with it myself. In You’ve Got Mail, Thor presented a bunch of meta to try and justify a scumread on me, and I ended up ripping through it proving that their analysis of my games was way off, and if they had analyzed my games properly their read might make more sense, and I think I extrapolated from that info that Thor was bullshitting his sorting.In post 167, u r a person 2 wrote:okay
VOTE: cheeky
The problem, CT, is that you told me to check out their lastFEWgames.
You implied that you had done a meta dive of no lunch (you say you have no experience with them, but say they are far from their town meta -> you did a meta dive)
If you had done any meta work on No Lunch, you would have known they only have one game to look at.
But you told me to check out their last few games.
Analysis:
You misled town when you implied that you had looked into No Lunch's meta.
Town has no reason to do this.
You are scum.
So I agree this is probably scum indicative for Cheeky.
I agree with UPerson2’s post below: day chat makes it less likely they’d double up the defense. This makes me think Oka is town.In post 189, Maestro wrote:
This is unironically funny to me.In post 188, u r a person 2 wrote:Although probably not both of {maestro, oka}
It would be kind of weird for them both to come out in strong defense of cheeky with wall posts two minutes apart as a scum team
Pray tell, why would that be weird if you see us both as Scum? Scum have Daychat cuz there's no Nights idjit they could be doing whatever the fuck they want. Also, I wasn't explainingwhy I was quoting posts, I was explaining why my catch-up was weirdly disjointed. It's like you're not even reading, my dude.
Not impressed by this AtEIn post 191, Shoshin wrote:I'm sad that my townreads scumread me.<Embrace The Void>
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This is gross, you’re not going to account for geriatric affecting my playstyle, which I’ve already stated is the case?In post 505, OkaPoka wrote:well i was townreading him because he seemed to do an active read and catchup to solve but he gone again and now my townread doesnt exist because this is how scum gamma plays<Embrace The Void>
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lol kIn post 208, no lunch wrote:
Stop fishing and play the game.In post 206, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Who?In post 205, no lunch wrote:I decided on that choice of words, because I have heard of you through acquaintances who play here.
I'll be mislynched before I give away identifiable information.
If you can't read me without meta even after pretending to have meta dived me, that is a you-problem and not something I need to correct.
I am a fairly easy read.
I was fine with whatever way you got your info but keeping your sources hidden makes things fishy.
Indeed. Looked like she saw a hint of blowback and retracted. That's not how town behaves imo.In post 224, brassherald wrote:Dat Cheeky turn around on U2 is so quick it gave me whiplash.
Why did you decide U2 was town so suddenly?
This line feels quite organic imo. Town points for Cheeky.In post 231, CheekyTeeky wrote:Anyway the point of this was to get you guys sorting each other - don't worry about sorting me, you can assume I'm scum. If I'm scum you'd want me to spew all my stances on others so there's no reason to shut me down early.
Yuck. Looks like a scum lynch order, especially the two people she'd lynch at 4 left. those sound like her My/LyLo plan.In post 242, Shoshin wrote:Cheeky's still making stuff up because Maestro didn't WK her.
I'm open to lynching Aubrey/Oka instead of Cheeky.
I'm never lynching Brass. I'll consider NL/U2 only if there's 4 players left.
Why'd you leave out Labyrinth? Kinda fishy tbh.In post 254, Shoshin wrote:
I'd like to refer you to my town meta, then. I especially urge you to take a look at American Presidents since you modded the game, but also take a look at any other recent town games (TAZ, Fifth Fortnight, Mini Normal 2042, or even A Story Revisited).In post 253, brassherald wrote:Town reads are too numerous, I don't remember loving the analysis.
In terms of analysis, I tend to say less than I'm actually thinking so if there's anything you don't understand, please ask. I'd also appreciate if you could reread as objectively as possible so that you don't let confirmation bias cloud your judgment.
I don't see reason to trust this since it's self-meta.In post 291, Shoshin wrote:Oka, I still throw out lots of townreads as scum because it's my town meta but those reads are much more targeted towards a scum agenda (e.g. pocketing, survival, etc.).
If I were scum in this game, I'd never townread Brass because he's a wild card who can't be pocketed plus an easy mislynch among players who don't know how to read him (and it would have been easy to push a mislynch on him because he doesn't even know that I'm capable of reading him). The fact that I'm saying he shouldn't ever be lynched is strongly town indicative for me.<Embrace The Void>
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In post 303, u r a person 2 wrote:ooooooooooooooooooooooooor
and hear me out
we flip cheeky and lower the number of required reps to one
so far I have had nothing but success with this method[CITATION NEEDED]
First vote on Maesto that isn't my slot. I get the feeling scum weren't planning for this wagon, so I'll put this down as town.In post 308, Slaxx wrote:Spoiler: Up to Page 8
I got tired of doing PbyP's so thats reaction to #177. U2AP and Shoshin are town, I'm taking that to the bank.
@UP2
Maestro and OkaPoka are 2 of the scum. If #174 isn't distancing I truly don't know what is. #189 seems a bit ballsy for that but I still think it is the right choice, especially after you gave them confidence in #188. #213 is a giant copout not to scumhunt.
I'm fine with OP or Maestro but VOTE: Maestro. This flips scum. I think I left a Oka vote somewhere in the spoiler tags but I can't be fucked to go back and read it.
I feel like this interaction between Oka and UPerson2 is two town interacting.In post 313, OkaPoka wrote:You aren't misrepping. I've been in your shoes and laughed at policy lynches, but I've seen too many games get too close or lost because certain slots weren't dealt with earlier. C9++ should be evidence enough for a game that got too close. I do mention maestro though in that sentence. I still deep down don't like policy lynching, but its a necessary evil.
Anyways I can see why you think that I'm using my own scum meta to case U2. I really can. But it goes beyond that. I'm just citing my own play as examples of why U2 play is scum-indicative. If you want, ignore the me part of the equation. U2 is still guilty of what I accuse him of, I just want to see if Cheeky got what I was saying, because getting Cheeky sorted was the most important factor for me this game. Its not meta. Its thinking like scum to catch them.
btw a word on this (this has nothing to do with any reads). Mods are supposed to replace in the order of "first opened, first filled". A queue style.In post 317, Slaxx wrote:
I went in blind. I like nightless vanilla type setups and hopped in. No choice, just saw it in the replacement queue and hopped in.In post 315, u r a person 2 wrote:I'm out of posts, but we've got time in the day to entertain this for a hot minute
@slaxx did you read the thread before replacing in? Did you choose CT's slot over Slimer's?
UNVOTE:Not a fan of the sudden momentum towards OkaPoka.
There's a lot on this one page tbh.
Yeah this is a nice spot of shade.In post 329, Maestro wrote:Hooooo boi the replacements are wagoning meHm. Shoshin voting there kinda hurts my scumread on her. though it is kinda late on the wagon, maybe the plan was to let Maestro hammer?
This is all the stuff before I posted but I still need to look at the newer stuff closely. probably will ease off the wallpost gas though.<Embrace The Void>
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yeah it's possible Maestro was intended to hammer. Remember him posting before hammer though so I'll see what he does there before concluding on what I think the wagon comp should be.
HI!In post 345, Shoshin wrote:
None of my reads have anything to do with "tone." You need to break out that box you're in,In post 344, OkaPoka wrote:The only way in which you give out townreads that early is tonereading shoshin.stretch your minda bit. My reads are based on predictions about what players would do as either alignment when confronted with this environment.
As an example, I townread Brass/NL in part because both would have been doing a lot more work as scum to pocket me (an action, not a "tone"). Why are you saying my reads are based on "tone" when they'er obviously based on predictions about likely behaviors?
I don't like this at all from you. It feels like you're trying to shake confidence in my reads without actually addressing their substantive content.
Brass you seeing this?
I did that in Mini 2041 though?In post 354, OkaPoka wrote:So you base these predictions off of ___
Its tonereading.
Sure you can have extra reasons that follow after blah blah. But your predictions are off of what?
Gamma is town because scum gamma doesn't actually read the thread and post reads. sample size = 3.Yup. Shoshin definitely still on the table for scum.
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Agreed.In post 378, u r a person 2 wrote:In post 188, u r a person 2 wrote:Although probably not both of {maestro, oka}
It would be kind of weird for them both to come out in strong defense of cheeky with wall posts two minutes apart as a scum team
emphasis mineIn post 189, Maestro wrote:
This is unironically funny to me.In post 188, u r a person 2 wrote:Although probably not both of {maestro, oka}
It would be kind of weird for them both to come out in strong defense of cheeky with wall posts two minutes apart as a scum team
Pray tell, why would that be weird if you see us both as Scum? Scum have Daychat cuz there's no Nights idjit they could be doing whatever the fuck they want.Also, I wasn't explainingwhy I was quoting posts, I was explaining why my catch-up was weirdly disjointed. It's like you're not even reading, my dude.
I've been going back and forth. Does this spew oka town? I think it might.
Slaxx is right about one thing: why would I pitch a fit about lynching Maestro when it would probably reflect poorly? I could have just said “hold up” in the scum PT most likely.In post 384, Slaxx wrote:Meh page 4 really makes it looks like not Gamma. Also idk Gamma super well but I don’t think he throws a fit as scum about his buddy being hammered. Still going back and forth on Oka as well. I think it’s Aubrey (idk if I buy his vote on maestro as I hinted yesterday) and the. Maybe one of my town reads is wrong.
I think Slaxx is town for leading that wagon btw.In post 394, u r a person 2 wrote:regardless of alignment, I sincerely respect your play so far, btw.
Prior to your replacing CT, I would have argued that a maestro red flip implicated your slot. I'm aware that you led the push to maestro. I just think we need to see where everyone is at wrt your slot.<Embrace The Void>
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Honestly, I don’t care about aiming to lynch flagbearer. That’s got half the chances of hitting correctly over just aiming for scum, and we can theorize what the plan was if we hit non-flag bearer scum anyway.In post 418, Aubrey wrote:K. Whose the flag bearer then?
Why so worried about people thinking your question is loaded?In post 438, Slaxx wrote:I promise it wasn't a loaded question that answer just baffled me.
So, I find myself actually agreeing with Oka. If Aubrey flips red her Brass starts looking really bad in his ISO. We probably shouldn't be townblocking him. You/Shosh I think are the only people I am comfortable with seeing in endgame, lynching whoever is third. Hopefully we can get endgame on Day 3 or 4 though.
Exactly.In post 446, no lunch wrote:Lynching to hit a flag bearer at the expense of lynching to hit scum is an awful strategy.<Embrace The Void>
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hm, maybe it’s Shoshin and brassIn post 462, Shoshin wrote:Let's get on with this game. Lynching Oka/Aubrey/Gamma should win the game. If not, lynch Slaxx, U2, NL, in that order.In post 462, Shoshin wrote:Let's get on with this game. Lynching Oka/Aubrey/Gamma should win the game. If not, lynch Slaxx, U2, NL, in that order.
I got the feeling from this he wanted to avoid commiting yo voting Shoshin.In post 465, Slaxx wrote:
There was a wagon on Shoshin and I both with three votes.In post 258, Maestro wrote:[unv][/unv]
Consider me voting Shoshin because I see no commitment to... anytihng basically
HURT: Shoshin
I'm not realy clear on Cheeky's wagon but he's only a null for me forreasonsand I'm honestly really fknig pissed somebody thinks I'm WKing them since that's something I don't trhink I do that as either alignment so I'm almost tempted to say "fuckit, have your lynch if you want"
I townread Shosh and I’m not scum so my best guess is that he didn’t want to attract attention to himself, but I also have an inkling that maybe both wagons already had scum on them.
The argument is a shit one in general tbhIn post 473, brassherald wrote:Like, especially if an Aubrey lynch happens and Aubrey flips red, just remember who here is trying to push a counterwagon on me because I'm "not producing original content" like I'm some fucking monkey who as to jump through hoops for you and play a specific way rather than the way I have proven multiple times works and gets results.
Like I can’t count the number of time people have accused me of “not scumhunting” when I was town. Maybe fucking recalibrate your shitty read metrics.
And FYI this isn’t a scumtell from Slaxx, it just means I dislike his reasoning
Hm. Looks like there was some support for Shoshin voting before I did it. Wonder why no one acted on it until I did.In post 487, brassherald wrote:I feel like it's shoshin and slaxx, because as I said, I don't see the aubrey scum read, and no one seems to be willing to share about it. I got some sarcastic shit remark about my own post as if I hadn't already reviewed before my question and that's it.
I pretty clearly am from her previous posts, why’d you ask?In post 496, u r a person 2 wrote:
is gamma in your lynch pool?In post 492, Shoshin wrote:If we're not lynching Aubrey, we lynch Oka. Don't overcomplicate this game, please.<Embrace The Void>
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I’m down with this ideaIn post 585, Slaxx wrote:Hot take: Everything is wrong and it’s NL/Shosh<Embrace The Void>
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Hm, this combined with his last post tells me UPerson2 is rather interested in alternative optionsIn post 503, u r a person 2 wrote:What ya'll think about a gamma wagon?
and Slaxx you need to get a spine, your posting on the same page as this post gives me the feeling you're letting people sway your reads too much.
Wdym historical accuracy? I don't remember playing with you ever? WTF?In post 523, u r a person 2 wrote:
i dont have the historical accuracy with gamma or the confidence level to be sheepedIn post 333, Gamma Emerald wrote:Whoa hold the fuck up, you gonna lynch before I get the chance to say anything? Pretty awful play if you ask me. Congrats URperson2 and Shoshin: you start with a deficit of towniness!
Now onto actual reading plans. This is my second time replacing into a game with posting restrictions of this kind so I’m gonna attempt to use the same method or a similar one I did last time (for reference, the previous time was Mini 1934).
for me, when sheeping people on a scum read I'm looking for 1 - (historical read success rate)(read confidence) < (chance slot rolled scum)
but we should lynch aubrey or gamma today
p.edit who do you see NL as scum with? I kind of see him as scum only in a world where he is scum with you
FYI there's probably enough free info to discuss this. Not that I really think it's relevant rn, and it wouldn't do much more than re-affirm me read if I'm right.In post 547, brassherald wrote:Yeah, it's later than I would have expected it. I'm going to drop this now, as I do not want to run astray of the rules, but, this may be an actual scum tell.
I need to ponder it.<Embrace The Void>
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I’ve already expressed suspicions about the way URAP2 is lynch shopping. My pet theory rn is he and Aubrey aw scummates and he wanted to cancel the bus.
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Because I don’t like voting just as a day is starting. It’s a personal principle.In post 680, brassherald wrote:
Why are you holding on to your vote?In post 667, Gamma Emerald wrote:FOS: URAP2
Don’t want to just throw a vote down immediately but this is where my suspicions lie rn<Embrace The Void>
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Why are you making him play guessing games?In post 691, no lunch wrote:
Why are you not interested in seeing things from my perspective?In post 690, Slaxx wrote:You’re Mafia and needed a town flip.
There I guessed, give me something better.<Embrace The Void>
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ThanksIn post 729, brassherald wrote:
I would still like an answer. I promise not to hammer without a response from no lunch.In post 728, Gamma Emerald wrote:Pls don’t hammer out of pure boredom
Had a game where the same idiot lolhammered like 5 town in a row in a Nightless setup, throwing the game completely to scum.<Embrace The Void>
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Still think Oka is town.In post 842, brassherald wrote:Where is Gamma anyway?
Gamma, for your return, can you let me know what you think on both Slaxx and Oka?
Slaxx not so much.<Embrace The Void>
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I’m here nowIn post 911, brassherald wrote:I wish Gamma was here. I miss Gamma.
What do you wanna talk about?<Embrace The Void>
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There’s enough time on the clock that I don’t feel like I’d be putting a replacement into a shitty situation
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I’d been hoping to force myself to do this by hyping myself up but I’m not feeling it at all<Embrace The Void>
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