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Post Post #19300  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:23 pm

In retrospect, I believe bill clinton should have resigned.
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Post Post #19301  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:24 pm

Or maybe there's a valid viewpoint that things like Taxes, supporting the military, abortion, and gun control are valid issues to vote on?

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Post Post #19302  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:24 pm

In post 19260, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think socialist economic policies are as popular as many people seem to think.


The economic policies that you are citing as 'socialist' poll at an average of 70%.
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Post Post #19303  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:27 pm

In post 19302, YellowSnow wrote:Or maybe there's a valid viewpoint that things like Taxes, supporting the military, abortion, and gun control are valid issues to vote on?


All of these are valid issues to vote on.

If a person is supporting a racist party, that still makes them racist-adjacent.

And they can decide for themselves if that matters to them.

Edit: This started with me saying that non-bigoted republicans stomach a lot of bigotry in order to support policies they agree with.

Here you're saying that non-bigoted republicans are voting republican to support policies they agree with.

And we have both stated that we believe Donald Trump, current head of the Republican party, is a racist.

So where is our disagreement, exactly?
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Post Post #19304  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:29 pm

In post 19304, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19302, YellowSnow wrote:Or maybe there's a valid viewpoint that things like Taxes, supporting the military, abortion, and gun control are valid issues to vote on?


All of these are valid issues to vote on.

If a person is supporting a racist party, that still makes them racist-adjacent.

And they can decide for themselves if that matters to them.


I think the right would argue that they're not a "racist party" that the left is trying to steer the conversation that way to make their leftist policies more mainstream than they really are.

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Post Post #19305  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:32 pm

In post 19305, YellowSnow wrote:to make their leftist policies more mainstream than they really are.


In post 19303, T-Bone wrote:
In post 19260, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think socialist economic policies are as popular as many people seem to think.


The economic policies that you are citing as 'socialist' poll at an average of 70%.

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Post Post #19306  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:33 pm

In post 19305, YellowSnow wrote:I think the right would argue that they're not a "racist party"

If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck and it supports racist policies like a duck

it's probably a duck

Edit: and if all of the organized hate groups in the country support that duck...
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Post Post #19307  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:34 pm

In post 19247, Creature wrote:So I take the usual conservative policies like anti-abortion, anti-legalization, pro-guns, pro-death penalty, small government have nothing to do with that kind of conservatism, am I right?

The american republican party used to stand for those things until Nov, 2016.

After that, it's all been about white nationalism.

We had a blanket muslim ban try to go through multiple times and finally succeeded because of Brett if I remember correctly.

We have republicans trying to build a wall because despite all evidence to the contrary, brown man scary.

American's think illegal immigrants are mexicans hoping a fence.

Only once did I find some random article on facebook point this out to me, but the talk is about mexicans coming to America.

A wall facing mexico isn't going to fix visa overstays from Europeans or Canadians.

However, those are not talked about because republicans don't care as long as they're white people.

Nationalism because Trump is literally pulling out of every single national treaty that he possibly can
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Post Post #19308  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:41 pm

even if it’s not the racist party it for sure is the racists’ party
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Post Post #19309  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:54 pm

I'd really like to get to the bottom as to why YellowSnow thinks that very popular proposals from the left are unpopular. I'm interested in why he thinks that.
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Post Post #19310  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:57 pm

In post 19310, T-Bone wrote:I'd really like to get to the bottom as to why YellowSnow thinks that very popular proposals from the left are unpopular. I'm interested in why he thinks that.


I can't speak for YS, but I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio and read a lot of alt-right media for reasons that... defy explanation

and they push the silent majority narrative on this stuff all the time
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Post Post #19311  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:59 pm

In post 19311, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19310, T-Bone wrote:I'd really like to get to the bottom as to why YellowSnow thinks that very popular proposals from the left are unpopular. I'm interested in why he thinks that.


I can't speak for YS, but I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio and read a lot of alt-right media for reasons that... defy explanation

and they push the silent majority narrative on this stuff all the time


There's a difference between agreeing with a policy and then actually voting for it in an election.

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Post Post #19312  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:02 pm

In post 19312, YellowSnow wrote:There's a difference between agreeing with a policy and then actually voting for it in an election.

:neutral:
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Post Post #19313  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:04 pm

In post 19309, Psyche wrote:even if it’s not the racist party it for sure is the racists’ party

I can get on board with this
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Post Post #19314  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:05 pm

In post 19313, Ginngie wrote:
In post 19312, YellowSnow wrote:There's a difference between agreeing with a policy and then actually voting for it in an election.

:neutral:


well he has a point

you can support, or oppose, an opinion all you want - what matters in the end is what you're actually voting for.

can I tag team someone in to bring this line of logic home? cuz I'm too tired to properly engage with YS, FB and Creature.
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Post Post #19315  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:07 pm

In post 19312, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19311, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19310, T-Bone wrote:I'd really like to get to the bottom as to why YellowSnow thinks that very popular proposals from the left are unpopular. I'm interested in why he thinks that.


I can't speak for YS, but I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio and read a lot of alt-right media for reasons that... defy explanation

and they push the silent majority narrative on this stuff all the time


There's a difference between agreeing with a policy and then actually voting for it in an election.


Alright, but I'm asking you, specifically.

I'm not trying to go "got ya!" or trick you in any way.
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Post Post #19316  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:13 pm

In post 19243, Creature wrote:
In post 19242, Untrod Tripod wrote:a minority of conservatives (but a worryingly large minority) openly support racist policies. most conservatives support white supremacy by definition because the current power structure is white supremacy.

saying conservatives don't support white supremacy is like saying fascist sympathisers aren't fascists.

Welp I find this wrong considering white supremacy is at most a subgroup of conservativism and not the other way around.

Also assuming current society is white supremacist, conservatives want to keep the current society and therefore that they're white supremacists is so superficial. Most conservatives I know are conservatives because they want free economy, small government and ethics applied to everyone regardless of their race.

correct me if I'm remembering it wrong, but you are a teenager and not an American. The only reason I bother engaging with you is that I don't think you're a lost cause like TSO or some other alt right gasbag who is just here to troll. Maybe you are. I don't know. I'm a big leftist weirdo because I try not to shit on people who don't know better I guess.

white supremacy isn't just being all "rah rah master race". The trick that conservatives have pulled over the last 40 years is convincing themselves and others that being in support of a racist system is okay as long as you aren't saying the n-word. Most conservatives are in support of a government and economy that either provides systemic advantages to white people or systemic disadvantages to non-white people. These things are always expressed in the language of who is "deserving" and "entitled" to benefits. That is, by definition, white supremacy. You do not need someone to write on a piece of paper "we are doing this because fuck everyone who doesn't look like me" for it to be white supremacy. Unless you believe people of color are actually inherently inferior you can't look at society as it currently works and come to any other conclusion than that the game is rigged.
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Post Post #19317  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:27 pm

In post 19317, Untrod Tripod wrote:The trick that conservatives have pulled over the last 40 years is convincing themselves and others that being in support of a racist system is okay as long as you aren't saying the n-word.


I have a theory that all of the anger against PC culture stems from people who never agreed that saying the n-word was wrong in the first place and felt oppressed by a culture that demonized its use by white people.

I have zero evidence to back this up, but it feels true.
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Post Post #19318  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:29 pm

In post 19315, InflatablePie wrote:cuz I'm too tired to properly engage with YS, FB and Creature.

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Post Post #19319  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:31 pm

In post 19316, T-Bone wrote:
In post 19312, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19311, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19310, T-Bone wrote:I'd really like to get to the bottom as to why YellowSnow thinks that very popular proposals from the left are unpopular. I'm interested in why he thinks that.


I can't speak for YS, but I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio and read a lot of alt-right media for reasons that... defy explanation

and they push the silent majority narrative on this stuff all the time


There's a difference between agreeing with a policy and then actually voting for it in an election.


Alright, but I'm asking you, specifically.

I'm not trying to go "got ya!" or trick you in any way.


I think the right media feels like the left dominates the media discourse for the most part so they like to take the david role to the left media's goliath role.

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Post Post #19320  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:33 pm

In post 19247, Creature wrote:anti-abortion, anti-legalization, pro-guns, pro-death penalty, small government + private funding

I think the point is that the moderate right will keep voting Republican as long there's no democrat that supports all/almost all of these (and plus a few others I may have missed) policies.

Like, when I took the political siding quiz, I got the closest to Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro, despite voting yes for same sex civil marriage, while like all Democrats were polar opposites to me.

I'm somewhat still trying to find a democrat that would interess me, but I've only seen those whose policies are like eh to me.

And no, Hillary wasn't moderate right despite her desire for wars.
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Post Post #19321  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:34 pm

In post 19319, Firebringer wrote:
In post 19315, InflatablePie wrote:cuz I'm too tired to properly engage with YS, FB and Creature.

I love u too inflatablepie

as much as I think you dislike me inflatable, I think if we ever met in rl, we would get along really well I think.
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Post Post #19322  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:36 pm

I only dislike you a little if we're being upfront, it's mostly exasperation

I've told you before you're nowhere near TSO/Garmr levels of... whatever you'd call their posting. similar to why UT isn't talking down to Creature (altho he has more self control with not gettin snarky, my b)
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Post Post #19323  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:37 pm

In post 19317, Untrod Tripod wrote:the game is rigged.

I recognize the white started with an advantage, but what could we do now? We can't just restart the game (even though I think most of the upper class would regain their wealth) nor can we start a new game with new rules.

Also I feel like the left policies are just gonna make the minorities dependent on the government.
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Post Post #19324  (ISO)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:38 pm

In post 19324, Creature wrote:Also I feel like the left policies are just gonna make the minorities dependent on the government.

why. show your work.
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