Mini Normal 2055: egyptian mau cats [Endgame]

[CultOfAthena]

Not sure how you guys got this to five pages in the span of a few hours, but I'm not giving up my random RVS fact that I wanted to say. “貓”, the Chinese character for cat, is pronounced "Mao".

P-Edit

@Dunstral : The newbie game i joined has started as well, and in that one its stated in the first post that mafia can day talk. Since thats how it works in a newbie game, i am guessing that is the rule of thumb on this site? I checked this game's first post after your question and nothing says that mafia can day talk though.

Be careful about talking about ongoing games.

[CultOfAthena]

Spoiler:

So you purposefully omgus'd him.

That you're more worried about who is voting you than finding scum.

Scumreading this.

Spoiler:

Nope but even a guilty result doesn't equal scum, you just have to work with what you have and in my opinion it's the scummiest thing that has happened to this point, which admittedly isn't much.

Sigh. I am assuming you guys have missed it, but I hope I am wrong.

"even a guilty" is a synonym for crime. The user here uses strong, vivid wording which clearly identifies their target audience in the retrospectal relativity of the admitted, or for a lack of word, assumed location. It's a simplifying anti-dated vision based on an unindicative indicator that should not be used in terms of theoretical point programs.

"scum" is a far too common of a word that statistically speaking, it should not be in this game on the forty-first post from a user with a supposed colour in their name. It's clear that 94.0052 +- 0.227% of users will use the word 'scum' once in their game (at least), but it's more profound to use it in a more formal or set-up situation with clear-cut definitions and wording.


"which admittedly isn't much" is clearly an ice-breaker style conversing momentum which often carries extra weight based on the time of day of the user; calculating statistically, it's 99.700214 +- 0.112% likely that the user wouldn't use this unless there is an intentional manipulation of tone and environment.

Seems like we've got the culprit; VOTE: Echovision

Townreading this.

Spoiler:

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My reaction to reading the thread

Also your contribution to said thread.

yeah ok

Also townreading this.

[CultOfAthena]

Hi, CoA.

Are you town?

Can't remember the last time I wasn't.

[CultOfAthena]

I’ll bite.

How are you townreading Mohabs long winded post?

He's obviously joking – even I can pick up on that. I think the fact that he feels comfortable enough to do... all of that... is town-indicative.

I was just wanting to talk to you, too – I feel like you've made two pretty bad votes so far. Not sure how you're seeing Ironman scum. Pushing him for the "Dunn scum if YS scum" comment I just can't understand. Feels more like you're just pushing a newbie rather than pushing something actually scummy.

[CultOfAthena]

Also really don’t like the “lol there’s nothing here I can use for reads” stuff

Feel like Mohab has been in enough games to, if not develop some early reads and converse smoothly in early game herself, at least know this transition from RVS to the real meat of the game is usually done fairly early. The confusion seems feigned.

What do you know about Mohab's meta? Or are you just talking about literally the number of games she's been in?

*shrugs* I knew i read somewhere about scum day talk....

TIL Dont read or post to hastily when playing Mafia.

On the bright side, im a good wagon. Think it will get you guys on the right direction once i flip. And you get rid of a town liability with the way im playing, so go for it

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Ooh. Don't say things like this. Or think like that.

Makes me doubt my townread, but only a little.

[CultOfAthena]

@COA you're scumreadinge me for being concerned with OMGUSing or your're scumreading the person OMGUSing?

You.

I’ll bite.

How are you townreading Mohabs long winded post?

He's obviously joking – even I can pick up on that. I think the fact that he feels comfortable enough to do... all of that... is town-indicative.

I was just wanting to talk to you, too – I feel like you've made two pretty bad votes so far. Not sure how you're seeing Ironman scum. Pushing him for the "Dunn scum if YS scum" comment I just can't understand. Feels more like you're just pushing a newbie rather than pushing something actually scummy.

Yeah no. It looks more like tryharding.

Also, I literally made the distinction of the difference between pushing him as a noob and pushing him as scummy. I think you need to reread and address my points individually instead of parroting his narrative.

...Tryharding? Really? Are you trying to tell me that it

isn't

a joke?

Let's review your points:

74

• "I have a hard time believing you actually believed what you said about Dunn." Okay, I don't.
  
• "Also instead of prying at motivation you’re just playing the victim, which is solidifying my read on you." I think it's reasonable for a newbie to have the thought in 67. I'll be straight up and say that I agree that 72 is pretty bad, but individually I don't necessarily think it's incredibly scum-indicative.

88

• "Ironman you’re not even trying to discern the alignment of people on your wagon. You’re either calling them scum or asking loaded questions you already have the answer to." I think that a feeling of being attacked by scum when voting is reasonable for a newbie.

I don't want everything I'm doing here to overstate the degree of a townread that I have on Ironman – I simply don't believe that your arguments for Ironman!scum are very reliable.

[CultOfAthena]

I’m going by the “goon” title and the fact I flipped through games to see if they had been in at least a couple. I don’t rely much on meta, but the piece here it was valid to differentiate between ignorance of site culture and feigned ignorance to avoid giving reads.

Right...

Well, let's do a bit more meta than looking at Mohab's title, why don't we?

Spoiler:

Subject: Mini Normal 1999: BooneyToonz VII - Join the Boonguard!

I've discord my intellectual capacity's immense near-limitless powers, and I've succesfully identified, with a 100% success rate, the members of the mafia group. However, I refuse to say the answers out loud, and I'll play along with your feeble minds in this game, so some of you humans can have fun. Do not expect though, that I'll not try to win; I'll surely try to win, but only use 1% of my intellectual powers, as to make this a fair game.

VOTE screenplay

Welcome,

Mohab500

, you are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

• During the day, you can vote and talk
• You do nothing special.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here.. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

[CultOfAthena]

@COA: You don't think the OMGUSing or daytalk scumslip are scumtells?

I don't think OMGUS is a very reliable scumtell, no. I don't think that was a scumslip.

... you don’t think someone playing the victim, throwing shade at their wagoners, and asking charges questions is a good vote for page 4?

You’re fucking kidding me right?

I've made my thoughts clear. Sure, I guess I could see it as a "good vote" just to get things moving.

Again – my doing all of this defense is probably making it look like I have more of at townread on Ironman than I actually do. I don't want that being overstated or overestimated.

[CultOfAthena]

Meh. Thinking about it a bit more, I'm not sure I actually scumread anyone active right now.

Vote: Tarkus

[CultOfAthena]

Don't break my heart CoA.

Sorry. Not feeling all that up to it lately.

This deserves my effort, though.

[CultOfAthena]

Funnily enough, second game in a row I came back to see a thread locked from a Day 1 lynch that happened without me around.

Let's see if the rest of the pattern continues.


Also, thanks for the fruit.

[CultOfAthena]

It's frustrating to come back to see someone you called as town from their first post be lynched, as a power role no less.

[CultOfAthena]

TTTT I townread.

Penguin still town.

I like Clem for town.

Don't remember any other townreads off the top of my head and from skimming.

[CultOfAthena]

This votecount probably points YellowSnow scum a decent percent of the time, as well as probably scum on the Mohab wagon?

The problem is that the only person on there I don't townread apart from YS himself is OkaPoka. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but experience has told me that it might be a good idea to question some of my easier townreads.

VC 1.9 - Final

Mohab500

[7]

- TTTT, Slaxx, YellowSnow, PenguinPower, OkaPoka, Clemency, Mohab500 -----

[LYNCH]

YellowSnow

[4]

- Ironman Btw2, EchoVision, rosterfoster, Tarkus
Tarkus

[1]

- CultOfAthena
Ironman Btw2

[1]

- Dunnstral

Not Voting - N/A

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[CultOfAthena]

i have an idea

we let clemency decide the lynch today

if its town we lynch him tmr

if its scum we follow him until he lynches town

Well.

I feel decidedly more comfortable with the idea of OkaPoka scum, now.

So there's that.

[CultOfAthena]

Echo and Dunn can both go back in the townbin for now.

Both rosterfoster and Tarkus give me bad feelings.

[CultOfAthena]

{CoA}
{PP}
{Clem, TTTT}
{Dunn, Echo}
{Ironman}
{Tarkus, roster}
{OkaPoka}
{YellowSnow}

OkaPoka becomes scummier on a YS scumflip, rosterfoster scummier on a YS townflip.

[CultOfAthena]

Maybe I'd like to do something other than instantly lynch someone the literal first time that I open the game thread for this day phase.

[CultOfAthena]

What?

I'm not really mad at all. Probably something about the way I type.

[CultOfAthena]

I don't understand your point.

[CultOfAthena]

That wasn't a snarky jab at whatever you're saying – I literally don't know what you're attempting to get across.

[CultOfAthena]

Right. Well, I understand what you're attempting to get across now, but I still can't see your point.

[CultOfAthena]

Gotcha. Well, your impression is incorrect. It wasn't frustration with anyone in specific, moreso just that something had taken place.

I'm gonna stop responding now and probably vote YellowSnow after getting a chance to talk to everyone else.

[CultOfAthena]

I think there's a very real case to be made on YS from the fact that he doesn't seem to actually scumread Clemency, he's merely making an argument that he has "zero town value". It seems to me like his points are coming from a position of someone already knowing Clemency is town and yet still trying to convince others to lynch him.

@rosterfoster

, why don't you seem to townread anyone?

[CultOfAthena]

The issue is he has no content. It's difficult to build a comprehensive case that way.

If he has no content, why do you scumread him?

If you scumread him because he has no content, why is it difficult to build a comprehensive case around that?

[CultOfAthena]

I had very little content until coming back yesterday. Why didn't you scumread me?

[CultOfAthena]

I've done some meta research on you and based on what you did posed I concerned there was a probability of you providing content later which proved to be true.

What kind of research? Elaborate on that.

[CultOfAthena]

I've done some meta research on you and based on what you did posed I concerned there was a probability of you providing content later which proved to be true.

What kind of research? Elaborate on that.

posting history.

Obviously you looked at my posting history. What I'm asking is what

specifically

you looked at.

You know... games I was in? Scumgames? Perhaps what you learned from any of them?

I'm looking for reasons to not scumread you here, you have to help me out if you're actually town and don't want to get mislynched.

[CultOfAthena]

I'm working at the moment so it will be awhile before I can make a comprehensive post.

That's all well and good, but that wasn't really what I was looking for. Any meta research can be faked, given time. If you've actually looked through old games, all I want is names and a concise summary of what you remember from looking at them.

The amount of time this response took and how long it will apparently take does nothing to lessen my scumread on you.

[CultOfAthena]

I'm going back and forth atm.

[CultOfAthena]

I'll join you there, Dunn.

VOTE: OkaPoka

[CultOfAthena]

Honestly I thought this day phase had been going on for a lot longer, like 5 days, and so it seemed like I was just sitting on iron with no progress. I don't know why I thought that, it's only been 2 days I guess.

Funnily enough, I felt the same way. I felt like I had been gone for something like three days since day start. When I actually looked, though, I'm not sure I was even in prod range.

This progression is what I don't like - It seems he has multiple reasons to vote Yellow but kind of sits on the fence instead, after COA says something about Oka being scummier on a yellow scumflip he feels the need to mention that he's not townreading yellow then votes elsewhere anyway

I agree with you entirely. It almost felt like he was trying to distract from a YS lynch, which is why I said he becomes scummier on a YS scumflip. Especially 515 I felt was some kind of bait to trap me into some extended conversation that would distract from what was being talked about at the time.

[CultOfAthena]

the fact that ive gathered so many votes so quickly means that if im scum, this would be an all town 5 votes which is a hard pill to swallow

Not really. I don't like the way you've worded this defense here. If you had an actual scumread on someone on your wagon, I would expect you to call that out more specifically. Instead, it feels as if you're simply using the inherent statistical unlikelihood of an all town wagon as a way to fearmonger people off of your wagon.

[CultOfAthena]

It's counterproductive if someone notices it and points it out, as I've just done.

[CultOfAthena]

Catching up.

[CultOfAthena]

Let's talk about the night kill

Penguin didn't want to kill Yellowsnow

Thought CoA was town

had no opinion on anybody else (to my knowledge)

Night 1, slaxx was killed. Unsure of his stance but he didn't seem like he was for lynching yellowsnow either.

I know somebody will call wifom on this - why has nobody brought these up yet though? We just go back to voting yellowsnow?

Vedith's slot should have been the day 1 lynch.

It's possible that scum thought that Penguin had an investigation result on me given his insistence that I'm town. Unfortunately for scum, the truth is that Penguin and I are simply very good at reading each other.

Apart from that, I'm not sure he was all that widely townread outside of myself (speaking from memory here — correct me if I'm wrong) and I don't believe he had any unique scumread—with the possible exception of suspicion on TTTT—that scum could silence, so that seems the most likely to me.

Slaxx is generally a "town leader" type. Not sure if his D1 was indicative of that enough for it to be worth a kill on this game alone, so might point to someone with experience or knowledge of him.

[CultOfAthena]

Vedith > Rosterfoster > Tarkus

That's where I'm at for a scum list

I might move Tarkus before Roster, here.

Clemency, CultOfAthena, Dunnstral, EchoVision, rosterfoster, Tarkus, TTTT, YellowSnow, Vedith

vedith, tttt, and dunn are town 110%
i don't even remember tarkus speaking so he's prob scum bc i don't think a lot of the active slots are scum
yellow's prob scum but like it's a lost cause voting there plus idek anymore
coa is prob town but not sure bc idek anymore
clem's prob scum because process of elimination
roster's prob scum instead of yellow bc process of elimination and i think? there's 3 ??? i honestly don't care enough to check

with that said i'm lost as fuck so VOTE: EchoVision

I'm going to echo Dunn's question here because you didn't answer it and ask another one of my own — Why are Vedith and TTTT 100% town?

If you're going to say "process of elimination" for your scumreads, I'd like you to actually make your "process" clear.

ok so Vedith is town.

Why?

[CultOfAthena]

2. why do you think nobody is bothering pushing one of us for the Oka lynch?

I can answer this. Because I wasn't online yet.

What a stunning example of purely scum-motivated play. I would support Vedith's lynch for purely policy-motivated reasons even if I did not believe he had a decent chance of being scum regardless.

I—along with a few others—was avoiding voting YS and was digressing (so to speak) onto OkaPoka primarily because of the replacement so that the slot would have a chance to actually contribute before the day ended.


If you're scum, well done on such a scum wincon-promoting move that nobody seems to care about. If you're town, the exact same thing but read with fara more sarcastic tone.

[CultOfAthena]

@Clem

— If you're town, don't let this happen.

[CultOfAthena]

Did you... quote the right thing there?

I have no idea how you can interpret that as a "look at me I'm town because I say so" statement, nor do I understand how my voting history factors into it at all.



Vedith is your top townread because Clemency says he's scum and you think Clemency is scum....?



Really?

[CultOfAthena]

VOTE: Vedith

[CultOfAthena]

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