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Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:37 pm

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You can always reinvent yourself as scum and you always need to be doing stuff that people won't point to recent scum experiences and be like HEY HE DID THAT AS SCUM.

That said I went undefeated as scum in 2018 while only actually trying in one game and pretty much just lurking the rest of them so you can get away with that even.

Rolling scum is like pressing the easy button
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Post Post #25 (isolation #1) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:59 am

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In post 24, Persivul wrote:
In post 4, RadiantCowbells wrote:You can always reinvent yourself as scum and you always need to be doing stuff that people won't point to recent scum experiences and be like HEY HE DID THAT AS SCUM.

That said I went undefeated as scum in 2018 while only actually trying in one game and pretty much just lurking the rest of them so you can get away with that even.

Rolling scum is like pressing the easy button
It's easy to win as scum if you play scummy when town. People will look at meta, say
he always plays that way,
and let it go. And there seems to be a trend toward that.

People like that should be policy lynched, vigged, or investigated.

Unfortunately, towns have gotten away from those things. So, now game developers are making town-sided setups.

Really, towns should just go back to fundamentals, and those fundamentals should be taught in newbies.
Are you implying that I'm scummy as town?

You might be interested to know that 3 years ago as town my most notable characteristic was that I basically never got mislynched and that over dozens of anonymous games I have only been lynched once and that was a turbo where I was plastered. So like turns out I'm pretty Towny in a vacuum contrary to your assertions. If you want an on-site example read Schadd's the coalition: I'm the person that everyone started townblocking on page one.

Or maybe that was a strawman designed to somehow pretend that my imagined faults as a mafia player are also responsible for the meta shift towards stronger towns that lost you that game, because simply blaming me for a townsided setup doesn't mesh with the reality of the setup nor the fact that town winrate in normals was a very reasonable 54% last year despite people constantly complaining that setups are townsided. (in a year where I played zero normal games, so not my fault either)
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Post Post #26 (isolation #2) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:01 am

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Truthfully I don't think that there's much chance that was a good faith comment but just in case it was I covered my bases.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #3) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:42 am

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In post 27, Persivul wrote:I recall you boasting about your scum win rate. I checked your 2015 games then and found that yes, you won all your scum games, but you had a low town win rate
I suppose so. I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make though. I did just below 60% this year!

And I've never been a naturally scummy player regardless of what you feel suits your agenda to say.
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Post Post #29 (isolation #4) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:45 am

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Your join date is 2015 which had a very low town WR in normals, so
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Post Post #42 (isolation #5) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:12 am

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The only two players who I think have ever historically sandbagged their town game for the benefit of their scum game are Elsa Jay now and Boonskiies a long time ago
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Post Post #51 (isolation #6) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:21 am

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lol

In the sense that your scum game being more advanced than it was before makes you harder to townread, sure, but don't delude yourself that any of this involves not playing to wincon as best as they can as town
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Post Post #53 (isolation #7) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:18 am

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Yes that is what persivul is implying

In that case it's no wonder he couldn't win that micro, it wasn't that it was townsided it was that he was intentionally underplaying as scum to keep his town meta sancrosanct, which is notably essentially trust telling.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #8) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:30 pm

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In post 55, Ankamius wrote:it's also why players that very commonly have a big impact towards their team winning as town can't get very far in the majority of their scumgames.
disagree

i think the getting better as scum -> town is way harder thing is a lot more pronounced than better town -> scum harder
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Post Post #58 (isolation #9) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:41 pm

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i don't think that's different on other sites, or at least not on mafia universe.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #10) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:19 pm

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i think nightless is more fun to play as both alignments
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Post Post #76 (isolation #11) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:26 pm

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the point of scum is to win

people irrationally overpraise scum on their ability to be 'towny' while underpraising them on their ability to close out games.
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Post Post #80 (isolation #12) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:28 am

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if all you can do is be towny and hope to reach endgame then you'll find yourself losing a decent 20%ish of games where that leaves you no path to endgame.
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Post Post #81 (isolation #13) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:32 am

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your towniness also pays the least dividends in terms of continuing to add value to your teams as scum once people have gotten suitably wary of you
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Post Post #83 (isolation #14) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:37 pm

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I mean

Elsa Jay openly claims that he plays as town to try to be like his scum game

I'm not sure he's averse to self sabotage :P
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Post Post #88 (isolation #15) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:43 am

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layperson understanding of good scum play is meaningless lol
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Post Post #93 (isolation #16) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:02 am

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I spent my whole life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless but not men.
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Post Post #95 (isolation #17) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:04 am

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That seems like an awful lot of mistakes :P
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Post Post #96 (isolation #18) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:07 am

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Like fucking creature has 11/8 scum wr

That's baseline

To be competent scum you gotta be far above that

And to be great scum you gotta be far above that.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #19) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:08 am

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I hope creature doesn't take offense to me using him as a case study :P
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Post Post #100 (isolation #20) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:16 am

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On the other hand people like NSG have overwhelming 80% town winrates in 2018 so good townies can definitely bring games in
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Post Post #110 (isolation #21) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:51 am

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Can I be the only person who was the first person to claim an innocent on you for purity when you were town?
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Post Post #118 (isolation #22) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:39 am

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In post 113, Persivul wrote:
In post 96, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like fucking creature has 11/8 scum wr

That's baseline

To be competent scum you gotta be far above that

And to be great scum you gotta be far above that.
There's no such thing as a good scum win rate in a vacuum.

I'd have more respect for someone with winrates of 60/60 town/scum, than someone with 30/100.
What about 60/100
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Post Post #119 (isolation #23) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:39 am

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Cuz that's what you're bashing me for
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Post Post #154 (isolation #24) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:07 pm

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In post 132, Persivul wrote:
In post 131, Creature wrote:I don't really think RC is sacrificing her towngame.
The last game I played with him, I noted he was doing scummy things, and people said
Yeah, but he does scummy things as town too
, and so gave it a pass.
Persivul

Your idea of reality
and reality

are two different things

You don't even know me why are you sitting around taking potshots at me what did I do to you
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Post Post #155 (isolation #25) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:08 pm

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In post 149, Ankamius wrote:
In post 148, Creature wrote:
In post 142, Ankamius wrote:There's a lot of ways to get your way outside of convincing people that your scumreads are scum
Faking guilties on them.
If you want people to stop trusting you in the future sure
Hmm. . .
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Post Post #156 (isolation #26) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:11 pm

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I really wish I knew what exactly it was about me that makes certain people so viscerally loathe me and feel the need to pull me down
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Post Post #158 (isolation #27) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:20 pm

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Not referring to you. Persivul
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Post Post #159 (isolation #28) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:24 pm

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Also my winrate was never 30% as town unless a very biased sample was chosen. Also having an 100% winrate as scum does cost you town games... but am I supposed to gamethrow as scum to win more toen games?
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Post Post #160 (isolation #29) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:25 pm

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Grr

I should just foe him tbh

I'm gonna do that
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Post Post #161 (isolation #30) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:29 pm

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There's so many valid criticisms to be made of me
Why is everyone insistent on making bullshit ones
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