Micro 847: BASTARD++ (GAME OVER!)

[Allomancer]

first!

[Allomancer]

Wow hawkleader, I would've expected you to vote for yourself!

[Allomancer]

Ok then. Lynchers don't help town, so VOTE: tris

[Allomancer]

Well the setup was modified and we weren't told how. i would still doubt there would be many hated roles, however

[Allomancer]

joges, why aren't you voting for overki11?

[Allomancer]

Alright, logic is good. Either joges or Overkill is Cult Leader.
VOTE: joges

L-1

[Allomancer]

0 deaths probably means no serial killer since there can only be one doctor.

[Allomancer]

0 deaths probably means no serial killer since there can only be one doctor.

jorges was a serial killer. There's not gonna be two.

Wait nvm. I forgot.

[Allomancer]

Guess it's time to read why mafia wanted 0verkill to die unless Mafia no-killed for some reason.

VOTE: hawkleader3

How you
know this?

Don't say it was
Dong.

Are you fishing for
roles already?

I'm assuming Dong is telling the truth. I guess he could be lying, but if Dong is telling the truth, are there any other scenarios that I'm missing? Like maybe someone blocked who the mafia wanted to kill (and that person wasn't 0verkill)? There's way too many scenarios in this setup. Nothing's definite lol. I just woke up, saw nobody died, saw Dong's claim, and said "Okay. Why would mafia kill 0verkill or decide to no kill". Didn't think about the plethora of other scenarios there could be.

What other situations could there be? The only roleblockers in Bastard++ are Mafia...

[Allomancer]

Okay, so looking through the setup, I noticed the jesters.

@Mod: If a Jester is lynched, does everyone else lose or does the game continue?

[Allomancer]

I highly doubt there would be a cult in a micro. Even for a bastard, the balance would be seriously messed up. I think most likely it was nothing more than a 2-person mafia and a SK (alongside the survivor, the lyncher, and potentially a jester or second survivor)

[Allomancer]

Also tris you seem like you're scumhunting? Are you actually a lyncher with me as your target or was it just a joke?

[Allomancer]

Yes but the randomization of the setup is meant to balance it out in the end no matter how the dice fall. With only a 1-shot doctor and presumably a cop, its pretty anti-town also having a SK and a hated townie. A cult would be way unbalanced; we would be expected more town PRs then.

[Allomancer]

I really didn't like 111 and 114. the fact that chateau changed their mind so quickly is suspicious. If you just have a question about someone's logic, you shouldn't be voting them for it. The fact that he was willing to unvote after a post explaining a single statement means it wasn't really a valid scumread in the first place.

[Allomancer]

null-read on mcqueen. Doesn't feel scummy, but isn't really scumhunting either. Either mcqueen is 3rd party or mcqueen is just apathetic town.

[Allomancer]

townleaning on hawk but he hasn't posted enough for me to be sure

[Allomancer]

tris is a fairly strong townread. 117 was good, and there's just a general towny feeling about her.

[Allomancer]

everyone else has claimed and i have no reason not to believe them. So of the four people who could be scum here (excluding myself for obvious reasons) my preferred lynch order is chateau > mcqueen > hawk > tris

[Allomancer]

Also important to add that since there is a survivor there is guaranteed to be a lyncher. be on the lookout for who this might be. While obviously lynching scum is more important, it is also important to be aware.

[Allomancer]

VOTE: chateau lobby

[Allomancer]

It's getting
lonely
voting for
McQueen.

Ever considered that might be because your read is wrong?

[Allomancer]

if survivor and mafia combined have majority, survivor can team with mafia to lynch town and win. Lynching a survivor therefore effectively extends lylo by a day, so there's really no harm in lynching a survivor. Check the wiki page on survivor for more info.

[Allomancer]

Oh I missed where he said he was loved. Yep, Chateau has to be scum here.

[Allomancer]

If Chat is mafia, then I think Allo's townread on Tris is probably wrong, as that vote off Chat and on to my slot seemed forced.

oh yeah the naked vote is definitely scummy but right now chat is the scummiest and i don't think he's a jester.

[Allomancer]

UNVOTE:
Probably a jester here. I would doubt there was a loved Cult Leader.

[Allomancer]

I'm townreading mcqueen. don't think it's him. VOTE: hawkleader

[Allomancer]

I'm townreading mcqueen. don't think it's him. VOTE: hawkleader

That’s me now you goob

lol i forgot

[Allomancer]

VOTE: mcqueen

after further review, he doesn't even seem to be trying, but he also doesn't feel like a jester.

[Allomancer]

Here's my theory. I didn't want to state it, but I'll say it now. Dongempire can confirm or deny this. He's actually a loved towny. Dongempire is a Doctor, not a 1-shot Doctor. Loved Towny can't exist with 1-shot Doctor, but can with Doctor. DE claimed 1-shot Doctor instead of Doctor to avoid getting shot at night.

Dongempire, is this true?

[Allomancer]

Why are you asking him to confirm/deny that? That’s not town at all.

He doesn't have to respond. He can even lie. It's just the only logical explanation I could find without assuming the setup has been heavily modified, which is possible. After all, there would be no reason for a Jester or Cult Leader to claim Loved, knowing it would bring more attention onto them.

[Allomancer]

Ok, well if Chateau isn't a townie, VOTE: Chateau. He doesn't seem like a jester IMO.

[Allomancer]

UNVOTE:
Probably a jester here. I would doubt there was a loved Cult Leader.

Ok, well if Chateau isn't a townie, VOTE: Chateau. He doesn't seem like a jester IMO.

What made you change your mind on this?

211 and 235 felt unjestery IMO

[Allomancer]

I was I specter. Inspected McQueen n1 and got 3rd party, inspected saxx last night and got no result. Sad I didn't get to see the end.