Newbie Queue Changes: The IC Role
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Newbie Queue Changes: The IC Role
After review of newbie feedback from a large sample of games and internal discussion with the team, I have made the decision to remove the Inexperienced-Challenged (IC) role from the Newbie queue. An additional SE role will take it's place, meaning that Newbie games will now have a minimum of 3 SE roles. Typically, the first post of an IC is an informative post explaining terms used on site and helpful tips (see here). This will be standardized and included by the moderator of the game in addition to the Newbie Setup post.
We do have a core group of ICs that dedicate their time to play in Newbie games for the benefit of the site. I appreciate their dedication, and hope they continue to play as SEs. At the end of the day, the best way for newbies to learn to play the game is to play, and our SEs already create a good environment for newbies to learn.
This change will take effect with Newbie 1917.<(") | (")>- Elsa Jay
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I think this is a net positive change tbh.
Having highly competent SE players who can keep an IC in check / also provide advice and feedback is always a huge boon and I think it's really valuable to increase the importance of those slots rather than lean on one player to be an express mentor figure.
The fluctuating rate of newbies / slowness of games firing does seem like a more urgent issue fmpov but, this likely isn't the place to air that..- BBmolla
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Will moderator feedback replace IC feedback or will more SEs do it postgame or just people do it if they feel like it?The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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Will there be increased accountability and consequences for SEs who are toxic, chronically replace out, refuse to be helpful, or do any number of other things we don’t want to see in newbie games?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Postgame feedback wasn't a consistent thing to begin with. If mods/SEs want to provide feedback to newbies they are more than able to, but it won't be compulsory.
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SEs (or any player) who are creating a toxic environment/violating site rules should be reported via the site's report function so that it can be reviewed by the Listmod team. This will help ensure accountability. Likewise, SEs who consistently replace out/flat out refuse to be helpful should be reported directly to me for review. SEs are not under the same obligations as an IC, but they are still site representatives for newer players.In post 10, mhsmith0 wrote:Will there be increased accountability and consequences for SEs who are toxic, chronically replace out, refuse to be helpful, or do any number of other things we don’t want to see in newbie games?
I'm not sure what the other number of things are, so I can't comment.<(") | (")>- Psyche
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great jobIn post 0, PenguinPower wrote:After review of newbie feedback from a large sample of games and internal discussion with the team, I have made the decision to remove the Inexperienced-Challenged (IC) role from the Newbie queue. An additional SE role will take it's place, meaning that Newbie games will now have a minimum of 3 SE roles. Typically, the first post of an IC is an informative post explaining terms used on site and helpful tips (see here). This will be standardized and included by the moderator of the game in addition to the Newbie Setup post.
We do have a core group of ICs that dedicate their time to play in Newbie games for the benefit of the site. I appreciate their dedication, and hope they continue to play as SEs. At the end of the day, the best way for newbies to learn to play the game is to play, and our SEs already create a good environment for newbies to learn.
This change will take effect with Newbie 1917.- TTTT
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As the last of the ICs (newb 1916), I am kind of sad about this. Thor did a wonderful job in my game and inspired my own sense of duty to the site. I get the change, but hope that it will be required of mods in particular to rate the SEs so that newer players can feel the community that is here. It has been the desire to contribute to the site that has kept me coming back even as I am busier in the winter.- PenguinPower
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As I said in the first post, there is a core group of ICs that have made it a point to play Newbies and focus on a good introduction to the site and provide an explanation of the play here. My hope is that they continue to do so as an SE.
I don't see the ability to contribute to the site as diminished by the removal of the role. Provide your feedback on play and site meta, provide end of game reviews - these are things you can still do. If an SE is going against site rules, is constantly flaking, or otherwise setting a bad example - report the post(s) or PM me directly.<(") | (")>- teacher
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Similar feelings hereIn post 17, teacher wrote:As the last of the ICs (newb 1916), I am kind of sad about this. Thor did a wonderful job in my game and inspired my own sense of duty to the site. I get the change, but hope that it will be required of mods in particular to rate the SEs so that newer players can feel the community that is here. It has been the desire to contribute to the site that has kept me coming back even as I am busier in the winter.
Will miss the IC role, though I don’t have a rational argument to keep it- Irrelephant11
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In my experience, a lot of SE’s played like an IC anyways, and I don’t see that changing. If anything, they’ll do it more. It also streamlines gameplay and gets rid of the “would be only do that kind of thing because he’s IC” WIFOM, which is solid.In post 18, PenguinPower wrote:As I said in the first post, there is a core group of ICs that have made it a point to play Newbies and focus on a good introduction to the site and provide an explanation of the play here. My hope is that they continue to do so as an SE.
I don't see the ability to contribute to the site as diminished by the removal of the role. Provide your feedback on play and site meta, provide end of game reviews - these are things you can still do. If an SE is going against site rules, is constantly flaking, or otherwise setting a bad example - report the post(s) or PM me directly."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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