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Post Post #36 (isolation #0) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:43 am

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Chito: VOTE: Super Smash Bros Fan
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Post Post #75 (isolation #1) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:55 pm

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Chito: I suspect Almost50 and mastina to be town.
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Post Post #103 (isolation #2) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:21 pm

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I was waiting on Chi-chan to post in the hydra PT and she never came, because she's a baka.

Anyway, I found or cropped some avatars for the poor souls without cute anime avatars
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Reasonably | Clem | A50 | Robert | B&Lproof | Askingx2 | Drixx | Flavorleaf

Also
VOTE: joan of arc

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Post Post #104 (isolation #3) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:24 pm

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Also, I want to go yuru camping
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Post Post #133 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:48 pm

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Chito: Alisae if you insult one of Yuuri's memes again not even the duck will be able to save you from my wrath
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Post Post #154 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:15 pm

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Chito:

I claim page 7 in the name of the town

scum is not allowed to post on page 7

if you are scum and you post on page 7 you are breaking the rules
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Post Post #218 (isolation #6) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:55 am

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Chito: I don't know, Mastina, RP did post on page 7... Do you think he is a rulebreaker?
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Post Post #237 (isolation #7) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:33 pm

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Chito: I think Xtoxm is Jet and Creature is Spike

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amiright?
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Post Post #240 (isolation #8) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:44 pm

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In post 239, Toogeloo wrote:Near X Mello
Kokichi Oma
Chito: I have a theory that Toogeloo is not scum with Near x Mello
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Post Post #242 (isolation #9) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:47 pm

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In post 0, Tatsuya Kaname wrote:Near x Mello (HYDRA: Wisdom + Kokichi Oma)
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Post Post #246 (isolation #10) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:59 pm

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Chito:

Page 7 Town OR Scum Who Broke the Rules (but would scum do that?)
Spoiler:
Dunnstral
Gamma Emerald
Torque
Near x Mello (HYDRA: Wisdom + Kokichi Oma)
Asking for a friend (HYDRA: Alisae + the worst)
Morality Flavor Leaf
Reasonably Psychotic (HYDRA: Cerberus v666 + Amzela)
Clemency
BulletNLynchproof
Toogeloo
Drixx
Joan of Arc

<--since this player list is massive, this is actually just a list of people I've arbitrarily decided not to think about for right now


People who did not post on page 7:

That I think are town anyway
Almost50
mastina

That make me wonder -- Is Jet Right?
Spike and Jet (HYDRA: Xtoxm + Creature)
Robert2424

That make me wonder -- Apathetic town or scum that didn't get excited about their role PM:
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Elena Fisher

What do you guys think? Which out of SSBF and Elena is busy town and which is scum that doesn't like their role PM?
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Post Post #248 (isolation #11) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:05 pm

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Chito:
In post 154, Chito and Yuuri wrote:scum is not allowed to post on page 7

if you are scum and you post on page 7 you are breaking the rules
So if scum posted on page 7, they are rulebreakers!

(That being said, I do think there might be scum that broke the rules in there somewhere :P )
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Post Post #251 (isolation #12) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:12 pm

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Chito: VOTE: SSBF
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Post Post #253 (isolation #13) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:13 pm

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Okay, first, me finding avatars for the insufficiently nerdy is not a form of memeing, but I'm glad you like the duck you duckbutts.

Second, since Joan posted on page 7, we have to move our vote.

VOTE: Spike and Jet

How do you two not have an anime avatar? (Definitely just about the lack of anime avatar, not that weird defense.)
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Post Post #254 (isolation #14) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:14 pm

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Yay teamwork!
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Post Post #259 (isolation #15) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:19 pm

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I mean, do you want an avatar of Spike eating a cigarette?

Cause I know where you could find one.
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Post Post #260 (isolation #16) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:19 pm

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I will probably think you are flavorleaf all game though
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Post Post #264 (isolation #17) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:24 pm

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Here's something
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Post Post #268 (isolation #18) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:27 pm

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In post 264, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Here's something
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Chito: Wow... Yuuri, you picked the same image I did, resized it faster, and got it working on imgur...

like our mindmeld is through the roof right now lol
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Post Post #270 (isolation #19) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:29 pm

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Chito: See but when you say Jaune I think of RWBY ... lol
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Post Post #271 (isolation #20) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:38 pm

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I also think of RWBY because the one of us who hadn't seen it is watching it and we're definitely not making it obvious who is who. Definitely not.
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Post Post #273 (isolation #21) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:12 pm

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In post 255, Almost50 wrote:Looking at the players list I don't seem to recall anything Super Smash Bros. Fan or Maria have posted. Checking the activity it's no wonder as each has only posted once (and Maria even did it under an alt).

Could the two of you please step into the center of the stage and perform a first dance?
Spoiler: In the interest of greater memes, this one is better

VOTE: SSBF
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Post Post #276 (isolation #22) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:32 pm

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Post Post #294 (isolation #23) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:31 pm

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Chito: Elena, what do you mean I don't believe my list? Do you think scum would have the audacity to post on page 7 after I explicitly told them that was against the rules?
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Post Post #306 (isolation #24) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:17 pm

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Elena, do you not believe that my partner believes that that's a list of people who posted on page 7? Or do you believe that scum would stoop so low as to break the rrrrrrrrurus?

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Post Post #308 (isolation #25) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:20 pm

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In post 305, Asking for a friend wrote:but then tw started feeling not so swell
So if he's sitting it out to get some bed rest, does that mean he's an
undercover
daycop?
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Post Post #313 (isolation #26) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:39 pm

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The Simpsons
, a true classic of anime
Why not this instead?
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PPE: You knew you were wrong and said it anyway
(Are these all watermarked, I've now officially put way too much time into trying to find one without the watermark)
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Post Post #317 (isolation #27) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:23 pm

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Chito: its never a bad time to pressure creature
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Post Post #323 (isolation #28) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:51 pm

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In post 320, Near x Mello wrote:neh, creature has improved
chito: people can improve but do they ever change
d
do they ever really

really change

or do they just get slightly better at convincing themselves they won't make the same mistakes over again?
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Post Post #369 (isolation #29) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:47 am

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In post 354, Near x Mello wrote:UNVOTE:

gamma is town

But i don't know who to vote

who wants to be sheeped by Near?

~Near
Chito:
Join us on smash

VOTE: smash
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Post Post #370 (isolation #30) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:52 am

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In post 333, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
<insert anime meme with sunglasses here>
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It was already waiting in the thread for you, what kind of a Yunocchi are you?
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Post Post #373 (isolation #31) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:00 am

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Post Post #387 (isolation #32) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:23 am

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Spoiler: Torque is so scummy you guys, but these are unrelated
In post 2, Tatsuya Kaname wrote:3. CHANNELS - At the start of the game, players may be invited to one or more numbered Channels (neighborhoods) (and don't worry, don't be thrown off by the channel numbers, there might be more, or less, channels than you think) where Role PM characters with the same/similar attributes (shows/genre/personality/gender?/etc.) are grouped together. You do not know what attribute(s) you share with your Channel neighbors, but it would become obvious fast. Channels are locked and no longer able at the start of Night 3. Channel information will be hidden when your role PM is revealed.
In post 169, Drixx wrote:
In post 145, BNL wrote: By the way based on how hoods are generated this game I don't think any hood is more likely than another to contain scum. In fact, even an all scum hood isn't implausible.
This REEKS of too much information. How could you possibly know the specifics of how the hoods were generated with enough certainty to declare that? You can't.
In post 327, Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote: Drixx brought up a good point here, in that you assume more information than town should know in this game.

This post implies that certain hoods do not contain scums and certain ones do but how would you know that unless you had info on what hoods are available in the game? It’s doubtful that a Townie would be able to do anything but assume let alone speculate on an all scum hood


Torque is such a scummy scumbutt blanket monster and probably talks like a grandma and needs a bath.
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Post Post #391 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:28 am

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Chito: Guys let's all join hands and get on this SMASHING wagon :3
Spoiler:
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Post Post #398 (isolation #34) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:59 am

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In post 396, Torque wrote:I m just sayin Yuuri > Chito ya arse skin
Chito:

I agree and I fully support Yuuri posting more gifs :3
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Post Post #409 (isolation #35) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:10 pm

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It's been brought to my attention that some people might think my last post was 100% serious.

Look at where our vote is. We have no problem with Torque, even if they do smell funny and talk like a grandma.

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Post Post #477 (isolation #36) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:49 pm

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Chito:

Jet is it possible that you and spike got different role pms?
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Post Post #500 (isolation #37) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:44 pm

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Chito:
Alisae don't replace out...

You are the best <3

I don't think Joan's comment was that good tbh

I'm assuming Joan is yume/plumber?

I'm sorry I didn't support your push after saying that but I tend to focus on sorting players I'm less familiar with over players I'm more familiar with first, so pushing Smash here wasn't really intended as a big counter-wagon or a dismissal of your argument but rather just is how I tend to approach the early game.

If I vote Creature with you will you stay please?

VOTE: Spike and Jet

Your push is good and we should get more content from them. Please don't go.
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Post Post #503 (isolation #38) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:56 pm

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Chito: I'm pretty okay lynching Joan of NicoYume if it will help you stay
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Post Post #545 (isolation #39) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:24 pm

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Chito: I wanted Alisae to stay but Pink Ball is pretty cute too, welcome

I guess we go back to this then

VOTE: Smash
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Post Post #546 (isolation #40) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:28 pm

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Chito: Can you expand on Gamma read, Jet? She doesn't taste townie to me quite yet
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Post Post #587 (isolation #41) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:35 am

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In post 521, Pink Ball wrote:I'm a beautiful princess
This avatar is a thing of beauty and I want to protect it. We're definitely not going to vote Pink Ball today.

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Post Post #589 (isolation #42) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:39 am

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Somehow it's not as cute on you
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Post Post #640 (isolation #43) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:59 pm

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Chito: Is there meaning in crossing out ever other letter of Reasonably Psychotic or was that just for mE
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Post Post #641 (isolation #44) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:00 pm

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Chito: I'm guessing you didn't consult with Jet at all given that Rob isn't crossed?
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Post Post #642 (isolation #45) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:01 pm

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Chito: I actually think this is kinda interesting

Jet have you talked with Spike about your read of Rob?
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Post Post #644 (isolation #46) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:10 pm

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Chito: Jet you'd still strike Gamma and rob right?
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Post Post #646 (isolation #47) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:21 pm

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Chito: It doesn't dramatically move me either way. I liked a few things a little bit but the "should I claim thing?" seemed just a bit more like how I feel scum would react to replacing into a scum slot under pressure than town. I wouldn't say it pings me really hard, though. Smash pinged me, I didn't townread the replace, and no, I'm not townreading Vedith's entrance.

I guess I feel sooo close to a mindmeld with you two, but the problem I'm having is that when I look at the last 6 names on my overlapping list with Spike's, I don't really... scumread any of the remaining names, they're just the "not townie enough to cross out" list

I just a little bit want to fight you on Rob too, but I don't have access to whatever he said in the PT that made you feel he was more townie I think

I certainly don't townread him for what he's said in Channel 5. (I don't scummread him for it either it's pure NAI)
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Post Post #649 (isolation #48) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:06 pm

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Chito:
In post 592, Vedith wrote:
In post 590, Almost50 wrote:I love your honesty. here's a reward:

UNVOTE:
That was a little easy. What if I was lying?
In post 602, Vedith wrote:Should I claim?
In post 607, Vedith wrote:
In post 605, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:People keep being dumb and asking for more details, when I've already stated where I'm at. *shrug*
If it helps I haven't read the game yet.

And the other head part was just me being a jerk, that was uncalled for as I'm reformed, on a side note of course.

Do you think I should lynch Spike and Jet? I think they are trying to buddy up to me, so I can take them under my wing.
Yeah, I wanna lynch this

Jet I think you're overestimating the force of your push, 607 is gross and manipulative, 602 is not a townie reaction to pressure, 592 is scum wifom. This slot stinks.
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Post Post #652 (isolation #49) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:45 pm

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Chito: Mastina, would you like to join our team and put your vote on Vedith?
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Post Post #742 (isolation #50) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:46 am

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Chito: You know I'd never thought about what time zone Dream Land is in until now
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Post Post #754 (isolation #51) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:22 pm

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Who is who?

NO ONE KNOWS
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Post Post #755 (isolation #52) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:31 pm

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Mastina, what was your read on Alisae before Pink Ball replaced in?

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Post Post #756 (isolation #53) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:44 pm

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In post 750, Pink Ball wrote:so I'm inclined to think that everyone read the OP while waiting
For the record, I didn't read the OP while waiting, and I was super psyched to play this game.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #54) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:11 pm

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Chito: What's your success rate on reading Maria, mastina?
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Post Post #771 (isolation #55) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:27 pm

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Chito: Not sure why you'd be indifferent to your mislynch because of role when you can reroll your role. And then eat a springroll.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #56) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:29 pm

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Chito: Can you expand on Vedith leantown?
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Post Post #774 (isolation #57) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:35 pm

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In post 771, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Not sure why you'd be indifferent to your mislynch because of role when you can reroll your role. And then eat a springroll.
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Post Post #776 (isolation #58) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:45 pm

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Chito:

I did not really like this post:

Spoiler:
In post 327, Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:First,
Unvote: Toogeloo
.

Reasonably Psychotic, may I ask why you have not committed to a vote yet? Even a pressure one would be more useful, especially since you never participated in RVS.
In post 185, Joan of Arc wrote:Also, I am town, so why should I care if I appear scummy or not?
That’s superfluous to bring up. If you didn’t care about how the Town views you, you would have said nothing. The fact that you needed to assert this shows that you do care about how the Town perceives you, which in itself is scummy.
In post 194, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 192, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 190, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 189, Near x Mello wrote:even if you cant be lynched if we waste a day on you youre still harming town

~Near
Me? You're the ones doing it by collectively deciding to waste a day on me for no adequately explained reason.
Mmm. I hate this "it's not my fault, it's yours!" mentality with a burning passion. Mostly because I see it used primarily by foul villains.
Phos is not a villain and everyone who says they are will have to answer to me.
Just because she is not a villain does not mean that you are town in this game. Given that this is a Upick game where we did not pick alignments, we cannot assume either way that picking a hero or villain will lead to a town or scum alignment.
In post 145, BNL wrote:By the way based on how hoods are generated this game I don't think any hood is more likely than another to contain scum. In fact, even an all scum hood isn't implausible.
Drixx brought up a good point here, in that you assume more information than town should know in this game.

This post implies that certain hoods do not contain scums and certain ones do but how would you know that unless you had info on what hoods are available in the game? It’s doubtful that a Townie would be able to do anything but assume let alone speculate on an all scum hood.
In post 147, BNL wrote:
In post 64, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 62, Almost50 wrote:OK, so here's a declaration: I won't claim which channel(s) I'm in and won't be posting in them either for the time being. You should all be concerned I could read what you say in your channel(s) without you realizing I'm in it.

[**note, this post has been edited to remove a nested spoiler tag starting here**]Damn, I couldn't have come up with a scummier declaration. Couple that with my RVS vote on myself, and I should be considered the antichrist of the game by all other players already. :twisted:
I had the thought of doing this as well, but I decided to speak in one of them.
Also, I think this is a scummy entrance
UNVOTE: Dunnstral
VOTE: Morality (Flavor Leaf's new account)

Discuss.
How is this post a scummy entrance from Morality? Choosing which hood he wants to speak in is his choice and should not be an indication of alignment. It’s what he posts in the hood he chooses to contribute to that should matter and unless you are in that hood with him, you have no way to tell if the posts resembles town or scum.

In fact, telling us to discuss your supposedly revealing post with no explanation on your part is rather disingenuous seeing as you expect Town to take you at your word instead of selling the prospect of voting for Morality.

VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

This wagon needs more traction. Joan is a close second as far as scum reads are concerned.
In post 244, Toogeloo wrote:Super Smash voted me before I posted in Channel 5.
Robert is voting Near x Mello, that may have also happened before Near made their presence known in Channel 5 as well.

Kind of humorous though that the small group of Channel 5 has 2 votes on each other.
Robert voted for Near x Mello after the later posted on Channel 5.
In post 246, Chito and Yuuri wrote:That make me wonder -- Apathetic town or scum that didn't get excited about their role PM:
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Elena Fisher

What do you guys think? Which out of SSBF and Elena is busy town and which is scum that doesn't like their role PM?
Given that this is a Upick game, which allowed us to pick three choices we want, it stands to reason that no matter what choice we got, we would be excited about our role. My inactivity in this thread until now was due to life being busy, not deliberately avoiding the thread.


Minor things; I often dislike foregrounding an unvote and then throwing up a vote in the middle of a post. It feels like he's trying to play up his changing read of Toog, and minimize the blowback from a push on STK/BNL. Second, I really, really disliked the very end of the post. "it stands to reason that no matter what choice we got, we would be excited about our role" -- this is just complete nonsense. Getting the flavor you want does not at all impact the mechanics of the role you received so this seemed like a really big cop out to me.

and, idk, I just feel like scum is much more likely to want to try to 'get everything in one post' than just be natural, so I don't think making super long posts is really all that townie
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Post Post #777 (isolation #59) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:46 pm

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Chito: That being said I'm not really hating your Gamma push, if you can break Jet out of his Gamma read I'm not strongly opposed to not joining you there, but I think I would rather see you join us on Vedith
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Post Post #778 (isolation #60) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:48 pm

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Chito: btw if scum kills us n1 I'm gonna be pissed because I am loving the f out of this hydra with yuuri and there aren't a ton of games right now that take hydras

YOU HEAR ME A50! IF YOU WANNA BAIT THE NIGHTKILL THIS GAME YOU GOTTA STEP UP
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Post Post #780 (isolation #61) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:51 pm

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Chito: if you're townleaning Smash because of the effort, then shouldn't you be like scumleaning STK? Because otherwise all Smash was doing was putting 'effort' into weak pushes

also I'm just a little bit drunk rn so I might stop posting before yuuri yells at me :P
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Post Post #824 (isolation #62) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:13 am

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In post 805, singletonking wrote:I am however starting to fear that this is a TvT because I'm in a similar state to him where I cannot catch up and I don't want to reach the state where we're lazily leaving votes on each other leading to a vicious cycle of growing scumreads.
Chito: It's really weird to me that you'd choose to frame your read on Morality as a "TvT"
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Post Post #830 (isolation #63) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:30 am

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In post 829, Akarin wrote:
In post 791, Vedith wrote:That's most likely because Gamma is by far the easier lynch of the 2 and gives you a chance tomorrow to just say, well Mastina just isn't paired with Gamma on a town flip.
I didn't know you could accuse people of lining up mislynches preemptively.

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Post Post #850 (isolation #64) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:50 pm

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Chito: Pink Ball are you my real dad?
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Post Post #884 (isolation #65) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:21 am

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In post 860, mastina wrote:If you were that scummer, I could understand the extra mastina experience leading to this level of hesitance.
So you're confident there's only one person Pink Ball could be that has the experience with you needed to take that stance?
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Post Post #886 (isolation #66) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:32 am

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Singletonking: Where does your townread on Dunn come from?

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Post Post #887 (isolation #67) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:57 am

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Chito: Don't forget that this is not a plurality lynch guys, at some point some of you people need to start doing more stuff and a wagon needs to actually look like a proper wagon in a 19 player game.
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Post Post #924 (isolation #68) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:38 pm

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Chito: Mastina-chan you should join us on Vedith-kun
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Post Post #933 (isolation #69) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:14 pm

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In post 929, Clemency wrote:i could claim scum in one of these and everyone would just gloss over
Is scum your flavor name?
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Post Post #958 (isolation #70) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:05 am

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Post Post #985 (isolation #71) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:57 am

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In post 984, Pink Ball wrote:You got me, I surrender, vote me please
Chito: !!!

This is not something my real dad would say!
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #72) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:50 pm

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Chito: My name is Chito and I don't know why people are saying Vedith is town here, and I approved this message
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #73) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:07 am

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Chito: Don't worry A50, I'm "vigging" you tonight because I "scumread" you and that's why there is no reason for the scumteam to shoot you because this is definitely something I really going to do and not wifom just to screw with them.
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #74) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:38 am

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STOP COPYING ME TORQUE!
Best OP of the season and this is what I was listening to when you posted that (same artist).


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P.S. We still want to lynch Vedith.
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #75) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:09 pm

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Chito: Cause Near is town and Mello is a survivor but there isn't a scum among the two of them!
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #76) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:37 pm

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In post 937, mastina wrote:Near/Mello as a scumread has remained much the same the entire game: given that this is a hydra of WISDOM and KOKICHI OMA, their entire presence here is incredibly lackluster. (For a start, I'd expect them to have the highest post count, bar none, given that BOTH heads are prolific posters. They have a respectably high post count, one of the highest, but it's spread across two heads who should have that amount if not double BY THEMSELVES, yet alone, as a hydra of both. But there's also the content OF the posts.)
Chito: It's possible that I did not actually bother reading all of 937 given I don't really want to lynch mastina a lot yet, but I agree that this characterization of Mello seems incorrect. It's not enough to make me want to lynch mastina, though it does suggest her read on you is unreliable.
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Post Post #1191 (isolation #77) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:49 am

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Post Post #1221 (isolation #78) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:39 pm

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Chito: Are we sure that Vedith does things with reasons?
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #79) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:09 pm

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Chito: was you a jester?
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #80) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:19 pm

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In post 1228, Vedith wrote:No, I was naughty!
Chito:
Spoiler:
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #81) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:29 pm

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Chito:
In post 165, Toogeloo wrote:Hello.

I'm a Priest, so if we get someone at L-1, I'll gladly confirm. Of course, I could be a scum Priest, but at least the mechanical inability to hammer will be confirmed.
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #82) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:31 pm

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Chito: Well at least your reaction test worked on someone, Toog. Now we know for sure that Torque has already forgotten page 7, which let us not forget, is the most important page of all.
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #83) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:45 am

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Chito: VOTE: elena

I'm okay starting here for now; would also like to hear Dunnstral's read on this slot and what he think of Near's argument
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Post Post #1366 (isolation #84) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:21 am

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Are we allowed to agree with Mastina about things without sheeping her or sacrificing any lambs or anything?

If not, then this is a pretty important conversation to have.

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Post Post #1369 (isolation #85) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:28 am

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I'm mostly saying that this argument is counterproductive and everyone should chill out and enjoy some nice survival-flavored rations.
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Post Post #1370 (isolation #86) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:33 am

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Joan, what do
you
think of Elena? Could you look at her ISO and say if anything stands out to you one way or another?
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Post Post #1380 (isolation #87) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:50 am

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Joan, seriously, what have either us (Chito and Yuuri) said to give you the impression we hate you?

Like your reply is actually pretty disrespectful and mean to me, I've never done anything to you, I'm trying to ask your opinion on something because I want to know what it is (the usual reason for asking things) and because I want to get you actually engaged. If you don't want anyone to ask you anything ever again, are you sure you're up to playing a social-deduction game, emotionally? Because right now you're just being mean to people trying to engage with you, and it's not helping the game state or anyone's emotional state or making anyone more likely to sheep Mastina even (look at Gamma's reaction.)

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Post Post #1387 (isolation #88) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:17 am

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Chito:
In post 1276, Near x Mello wrote:i see. Thats basically the reason I scumread her. When she is town she will do things I wont like and I will consider manipulative and such and I will end up scumreading her. Here she is quiet and has basically done nothing.

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Post Post #1390 (isolation #89) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:40 am

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Those reads match up extremely well with ours.

Happy AlmostBirthday
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Post Post #1392 (isolation #90) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:43 am

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In post 1388, Torque wrote:Shouldn't people be talking about how ssbf and Drixx picked trash anime... instead of.. whatever is going on currently
I was trying to keep being judgmental about people's shit taste to the privacy of the hydra QT. Regarding the comment from the other day, I'm enjoying hydraing with Weiss a ton, so I'm not sorry, but we should totally hydra next anime thing.

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Post Post #1461 (isolation #91) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:09 pm

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Chito: Near, if you change your mind on Elena, can you remind me if there are any reasons to townread Clemency? Because that's where I go if Elena is not today, I think.
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Post Post #1464 (isolation #92) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:14 pm

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Chito:
a) he softly claimed scum
b) he got off the Vedith wagon before EoD did he not?
In post 11, Clemency wrote:this is what happens when you pick antagonists
:up: :up:
In post 135, Clemency wrote:yuuri's memes suck lol gottem
maybe not AI but does make me more okay lynching here :P
In post 601, Clemency wrote:VOTE: vedith
In post 1134, Clemency wrote:VOTE: Gamma
:up: :up:

give me a reason to think this isn't getting on and off a bus
In post 1210, Clemency wrote:how much is vedith at?
does not actually get on but ok

I'm not locked on this but it doesn't look good at a glance

He did townread me so + for that but still
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #93) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:17 pm

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Chito: Fair points
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #94) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:23 pm

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Chito: Guess 1134 isn't necessarily bad since we don't actually know if Gamma is scum yet or not, I'll keep thinking about it maybe
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #95) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:33 pm

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Chito:
@Mastina
, I'm having a hard time making sense of your read on Gamma.
In post 653, mastina wrote:Gamma Emerald
You start off with Gamma in your long poe, but remove her from the short list.
In post 786, mastina wrote:
In post 769, Pink Ball wrote:By the way, the votecount is AWFUL, what's up with all the vanity votes? Is scum getting caught with that?
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
>Calls out vanity voters.
>Makes a vanity vote.
Seems legit. :cool:
Despite having Gamma in your long PoE, you call out Pink Ball for pushing Gamma
In post 937, mastina wrote:Gamma and SSBF were weakly nullscum, as in "could be scum but are mostly null because probably aren't".
On the 9th, you have Gamma as nullscum
In post 1166, mastina wrote:I can tell you I believe Gamma's town and I don't have that same townread on Vedith, but I can't say that's a strong read.
On the 13th, you say "I can tell you I believe Gamma's town"

but afterward Gamma remains in your lower PoE

is Gamma nulltown or nullscum? What happened between the 9th and the 13th that made you feel like you do in 1166?
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #96) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:01 pm

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In post 1475, Dunnstral wrote:It's not like scum don't know each other, they just can't talk
Chito: I think it's more I imagine Clem claiming scum as scum just because that's something he would want to do

The votes point Jet made have made me bracket him off for the moment though, I'm kinda more interested in sorting Elena/mastina/Gamma for the time being.
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Post Post #1513 (isolation #97) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:10 pm

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In post 1508, mastina wrote:Gamma was in my poe pool yesterday; she's not in it today, because the Vedith flip reduced her odds of being scum; there's some townspewing present indicating she's town, which was absent yesterday.
Chito: Can you be more specific about the townspewing from Vedith town that has made you townread her?
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Post Post #1514 (isolation #98) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:11 pm

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In post 1513, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Can you be more specific about the townspewing from Vedith town that has made you townread her?
ebwop: from Vedith flip
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #99) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:35 pm

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Chito: Ok I'm not 100% sure I buy your Gamma chainsaw but I'm having an easier time believing that you buy your chainsaw.

Do you have a lot of familiarity with robert? You've kinda moved him into your lower tier poe but I don't really see you talking about your scumread of him independently. Why is robert scum?
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Post Post #1522 (isolation #100) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:31 pm

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In post 1519, Gamma Emerald wrote:How is that read a chainsaw what the actual fuck
Chito: Actually you're right it's kinda like a reverse chainsaw. Or I am misusing the phrase. Or both!
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Post Post #1557 (isolation #101) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:46 am

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Chito:
@mod has Elena been prodded?
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #102) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:41 am

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In post 1650, Joan of Arc wrote:For the Homies

Chito: ... did you really just hardclaim homies-alignment

you do understand the meme right
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Post Post #1848 (isolation #103) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:19 pm

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Chito: We must make a decision. Which offering will most please the gods and grant us a bountiful harvest? We have tried to consult with the seers and oracles, but the results have been mixed.

I feel like Elena, who falls into the "meh" category so far, is likely to not please the gods, so for now I shall UNVOTE:

We could sacrifice Robert to the Gods of the Post Count. This is an offering that would likely not offend the gods, although whether it would grant us a bountiful harvest is unclear. Such sacrifices tend to be erratic in quality, but do not tend to be significantly worse than other forms of offering.

Then there is Morality.

Spoiler: What do the Seers Foretell?
In post 152, Morality wrote:In addition, I was pretty talkative in a channel, and I made a comment questioning the channel’s thoughts if I told them I was unable to speak in the main thread.

Almost50 bringing up the subject of being in channels and not outing themselves stood out to me simply because I had also thought about doing that, so it was a mind melt of sorts. I’m about 85% sure that A50 is town because of it, as opposed to the 72% I feel about the majority of everyone else. BNL’s comment brings him down to about a 60%, which at the moment, is most likely from what I have perceived. Yes, I made all those percentages up, but consider me an artist who is painting a mental picture for you to see where I’m coming from.

In post 277, Morality wrote:
In post 225, mastina wrote:
In post 220, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:@BNL: Confirmation or rejection of mastina's mason claim is pretty much mandatory at this point.
Also this is stupendously self-evidently a shitty idea and you know it.

If you have a different angle to approach BNL as scum from,
maybe
the idea of verifying a mason claim has merit.

By that I mean.
If BNL is under suspicion for a legitimate reason, then sure, yes, confirming mason status is an important thing.

But if BNL is under suspicion for shitty reasons that are self-evidently flawed and not the case, then confirming mason status is just stupid.
I disagree. At this point in the game, it is much less flawed than the case that BNL forcefully pushed forward. I’m assuming you were talking about the miller case, which was clearly stated that it was going to be considered as NAI. That was not the only reason, so treating it as it was is flawed in itself. I don’t disagree with the sentiment of the confirming mason status you made however, I just strongly disagree with the second part, as it appears you omitted the main reason and got stuck upon the admitted NAI comment. NAI things can become AI with other strings attached, and that hasn’t happened yet. It is still worth noting for those reasons. If BNL towns up, I expect that it will clear itself up regardless.

@SnJ - Yes, we’re masons.


We could sacrifice Morality to the Gods of Shitty Wifom. This offering may please the gods.

Yuuri has considerably mixed feelings on the offering for today, and I do as well. But right now I do feel like an offering of Morality to the gods would be most likely to grant a bountiful harvest for the coming season, so for now I shall place our vote there.

VOTE: Morality
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Post Post #1867 (isolation #104) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:46 pm

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Chito: It's been ages since I saw Death Note. Is saying a bunch of rambling nonsense about percentages a meme from the show or something?
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #105) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:48 pm

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In post 1566, Morality wrote:I gambit a lot as scum, yes, but I am incredibly safe while doing it. I think everything out to a T when I’m scum, as opposed to my town game where I try to be as completely transparent as possible, and just kind of do things, which is why i state when I’m baiting someone, or when I’m reaction testing. I like to not hide that from the players that I am not doing this towards. I am a chaotic town player, but it gets results.
Chito: I've also been thinking about this post but I've gone back and forth on whether you actually think your plays as scum are "safe" -- I certainly wouldn't say your fakeclaims in Overkill 2 were 'safe' from an objective point of view but I'm not sure whether you actually believe that about your play
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #106) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:49 pm

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In post 1868, Morality wrote:Onto a fucking CONFIRMABLE town role.
Chito: Are you confirmable because you're 'loud' or confirmable because you're a 'mason' apparently with an entire channel? Because loud doesn't mean shit and you acting like it should townclear you is pure nonsense that I'm inclined to think is beneath your town play
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Post Post #1872 (isolation #107) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:50 pm

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In post 1870, Morality wrote:Not random percentages, but there are a lot of percentages thrown around, yes. More by L, like when he says that Light has a 7% chance of being Kira early on in the series, and even though chances are low, he goes on with the assumption he is correct, and that’s the style I basically base this account on.
Chito: Ok, well consider the possibility that I didn't realize you were roleplaying and instead, was looking at Flavor Leaf presenting his reads surrounded by a bunch of nonsensical percentages?
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Post Post #1883 (isolation #108) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:56 pm

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Chito: You should probably bear in mind that I had an investigative result on you in that game which made it really easy to understand what were lies and why you were framing your lies in the way that you were.

All I know about your play right now is that you decided to start roleplaying and then spent the entire dayphase pushing my townblock, in addition to omgusing me at the drop of a hat. Mastina thinks you're simply being manipulative scum, I'm inclined to think she's town, and Near literally doesn't know and could probably be benefited from using his brainpower elsewhere.

So either you need to stop your bad pushes or you can go so that town can solve without dealing with your pointless survivalist nonsense.

pedit: wow that's a lot of posts
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Post Post #1888 (isolation #109) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:59 pm

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In post 1877, Morality wrote:If you’re Weiss, you literally just finished a game with me where I was town fake claiming.
Chito: A game where *I had mod confirmation about your role and thus knew exactly what you were doing while you were doing it*
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Post Post #1890 (isolation #110) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:00 pm

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In post 1885, Morality wrote:I’m confirmable
Chito: Stop scumcasing Near then because he is town af

Like you want to go yolo on Robert then that would be G, you want to help me figure out Elena's alignment that would be nice, but if I need to get a flip to resolve this thing between you and Near then it will be your flip.
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Post Post #1893 (isolation #111) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:02 pm

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Chito: Yeah no one actually asked for a full claim but even seeing it now I don't get how that makes you confirmable as town, and you should know by now that I don't townread people for claims, or for claiming early purely to deflect a wagon on them. Stop acting like you're the duck
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Post Post #1899 (isolation #112) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:05 pm

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Chito: This level of exasperated flail is like very slightly townie but I'm also kinda annoyed at you spam-omgusing me so I'm probably just going to take a step back now if I can

pedit: kinda rude to hardclaim before a replacement at like L-6 or whatever you were at but sure, go then
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Post Post #1905 (isolation #113) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:07 pm

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In post 1900, Near x Mello wrote:im guessing he cancels the replace out in 2 mins and asks to be townread for it
Chito: Please don't go there
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Post Post #2016 (isolation #114) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:17 am

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In post 2009, mastina wrote:Clearly, we are scum together and could in no way shape or form be town who have formed genuine scumreads on you.
Chito: To be clear, our vote hasn't moved from Morality yet because I want to talk to Yuuri about Elena's argument on Clem vs. Dunn's case on Robert in our hydra PT; also, perhaps, I very slightly want him lynched for talking shit about Nancy and so I wouldn't mind lynching him out of spite. But I'm not particularly optimistic he flips red at this point.
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Post Post #2029 (isolation #115) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:33 pm

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Chito: Yuuri has talked to me, and with her cooler eyes, she also thinks Boon omgusing everyone who pushes his slot is highly manipulative, and she agrees with mastina.

Frankly I want to lynch the slot anyway just for trying to present his canceled replace out in the last game I played with him as a trust tell, in addition for the toxic vile he spewed about Nancy.

Robert can be replaced and the replacement can spew. We still support a Flavor Leaf lynch.

Boon can omgus us all he wants and play up the AtE--he has destroyed his slot's credibility and crossed not one but multiple lines this dayphase.
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #116) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:46 pm

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Chito: Why not? Clemency's push on Vedith could very easily be a bus, and that (as well as the miller claim which is wholly NAI), is the main reason S&J were trying to talk us out of a push there. If you think he's scum, what's holding you back?
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Post Post #2111 (isolation #117) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:56 pm

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Flavorleaf, what's your read on Elena and why?

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Post Post #2117 (isolation #118) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:07 am

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Hi ooba!

You're the lead wagon at the moment, so we have an important question we want to ask you:
How do you feel about catgirls:
  • Strongly Approve
  • Approve
  • No Opinion
  • Disapprove
  • Strongly Disapprove
Choose wisely!
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Post Post #2193 (isolation #119) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:34 am

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In post 2181, Gamma Emerald wrote:FL's points on Near look damn solid
VOTE: Near X Mello
Chito: Can you summarize that case in your own words. Because I barely read it, I didn't particularly like the parts I did read, and I seriously get no indication here that you read it other than "this looks like a fight I can sheep one side on because a lot of things have been said". I think your reaction to FL's case is fake, which to me suggests you are more likely to be scum.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #2202 (isolation #120) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:45 am

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Chito: Why do you both want to ignore that Gamma literally just scumclaimed by saying Flavor Leaf's case was "damn good" when she has not read any post over two paragraphs this entire game?
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Post Post #2207 (isolation #121) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:48 am

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In post 2205, Flavor Leaf wrote:Because that’s NAI. Someone even already pointed that out.
Chito: Gamma making up reasons to sheep major wagons is NOT NAI.
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Post Post #2212 (isolation #122) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:53 am

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In post 2209, Flavor Leaf wrote:YOure right. It’s lazy town Gamma indicative.
Chito: Provide an example or you are now making up meta.
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Post Post #2223 (isolation #123) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:03 am

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In post 2165, Flavor Leaf wrote:ScumWisdom has to get rid of TownFL because I’m tunneling. If I am night killed, I will do damage to the scum team, and Clemency can become confirmed town.

ScumFL doesn’t need to push Wisdom here. I night kill threats and people that push me.
So is Clem not confirmed if you're lynched?

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Post Post #2239 (isolation #124) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:18 am

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In post 2181, Gamma Emerald wrote:FL's points on Near look damn solid
VOTE: Near X Mello
Chito: FL has made his point; he doesn't think this post is scummy. That's fine.

I would like other people's reads of Gamma, though, particularly Spike and Jet, A50, mastina, and Pink Ball, and I'd like to know whether they buy this as a town!Gamma vote.
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Post Post #2249 (isolation #125) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:34 am

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Chito: While I'm amused that I specifically am in a different tier than Yuuri, I'm more curious about Gamma being in two separate tiers actually.
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Post Post #2259 (isolation #126) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:45 am

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In post 2249, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: While I'm amused that I specifically am in a different tier than Yuuri, I'm more curious about Gamma being in two separate tiers actually.
Guess we know who the townier head is.
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Post Post #2276 (isolation #127) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:06 pm

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In post 2268, Clemency wrote:so i'm gonna stick with him, pocketed or not, because you're all garbage
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So you agree with Flavor's Gamma townread?

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Post Post #2302 (isolation #128) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:23 pm

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Hey, Joan, I for one am liking the way you're playing right now. Don't let a few mean comments tilt you. Stay positive and think of cute things.

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Post Post #2314 (isolation #129) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:36 pm

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In post 2305, Clemency wrote:can i also have cute things this game is upsetting me rn
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Post Post #2335 (isolation #130) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:03 pm

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In post 2239, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
In post 2181, Gamma Emerald wrote:FL's points on Near look damn solid
VOTE: Near X Mello
Chito: FL has made his point; he doesn't think this post is scummy. That's fine.

I would like other people's reads of Gamma, though, particularly Spike and Jet, A50, mastina, and Pink Ball, and I'd like to know whether they buy this as a town!Gamma vote.
Chito: Still want this; think Jet missed this post, and I'd like to hear from Dunn on his read of Gamma too.
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Post Post #2417 (isolation #131) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:26 pm

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In post 2414, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2395, Near x Mello wrote:gamma youve played with me enough.
saying fl's points on me were solid is not acceptable.

~Near
I could still say what I liked if C&Y still want it but there's no way I'm not voting FL anytime soon
Chito:

I'll hear you out. I remember earlier you "townbinning" someone just because they wrote wall posts so I'll be honest that I am skeptical, but maybe I am just being too cynical.
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Post Post #2435 (isolation #132) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:45 pm

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In post 2023, Gamma Emerald wrote:I like Near's case on Robert rn
In post 2181, Gamma Emerald wrote:FL's points on Near look damn solid
VOTE: Near X Mello
Chito: I didn't like 2181 on its own, Torque and RP both didn't like the progression from 2023 to 2181.

I'm trying to decide how I feel about Gamma going back on to FL-slot as per and saying she will explain her thought process on 2181.

What makes you give Gamma a townlean, Ank?
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Post Post #2437 (isolation #133) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:47 pm

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In post 1126, Pink Ball wrote:That way you guys will focus on real scum, like Gamma who's vote on me is basically a scumclaim
Chito:
@PB, how has your read of Gamma developed since this point?
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Post Post #2448 (isolation #134) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:59 pm

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In post 2438, Ankamius wrote:are there any specific posts that are especially indicative?
Chito: was for you, Ank.

Unfortunately it does also then require you to find Flavor Leaf's case on N&M, which is summarized in . So the problems people have with Gamma's slot hinge in part in how you think Gamma would respond to 2187.

My concerns with Gamma sheeping FL on N&M partly hinge on how Gamma presented her read of SSBF (Vedith redflip slot), which you can see here:

Spoiler:
In post 349, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also SSBF proly town
In post 408, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 382, Torque wrote:
In post 349, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also SSBF proly town
why
I liked what they were saying.
In post 469, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 438, Torque wrote:Gamma what of ssbf's catch up did you like lol i dont get it
In a sec
In post 553, Gamma Emerald wrote:Tbh I like SSBF's posting a lot less now. I think I just saw walls with seemingly thought out statements and townbinned it.


In short, for our previous redflip, Gamma said she liked the slot, stalled on explaining why, then backpedaled by saying she townread the slot only because of wallposts, which seems loosely similar to what she was doing irt to FL's posts on N&M this dayphase.
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Post Post #2454 (isolation #135) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:06 pm

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In post 2446, Pink Ball wrote:I don't think that Morality is scum because he's risking being lynched by taking a stand and pushing who he thinks is scum.
Chito: Perhaps, but hasn't each of his different claims seemed survivalistic?

He claimed he could be "confirmed" when he could not be
He implied he should be townread for being "loud" when there is no reason to believe this is the case
He apparently got Clemency-slot to "make him a bomb" (which I guess Ankamius can choose whether she wants to retract or not), thus meaning he cannot be killed safely by a town vigilante
I think somewhere someone said something about being quasi ascetic?
And at every point he has insisted he should be evaluated in later dayphases

This is not wholly distinct from his play in Overkill 2, where he initially claimed PGO to decrease the likelihood he would be targeted by town investigative actions, a strategy which reportedly worked (given he won the game in question).

Now, we could consider other tonal behaviors that might make him town. I don't feel particularly objective on the slot right now, given how much directed AtE FL pushed at me specifically. But his movement from hard OMGUSing me to arguing I was "warlocked" is the type of paranoid nonsense that certainly can come from town Flavor Leaf.

At this point I feel like my read on the slot is muddled by the AtE and replacement behavior and my own personal feelings about some things he has said.
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Post Post #2458 (isolation #136) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:09 pm

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In post 2453, Ankamius wrote:idk, I'm not seeing why this is more likely to come from scum than town. I've had moments almost exactly like that one at least a dozen times in the past as town, and I would kinda expect Gamma to already have an explanation ready or at least to try to pass it off with some made up bs rather than backpedal on it like she did.
Chito: I'll think about it. ftr, Yuuri is still feeling null on Gamma, so this is a one-headed push atm. If you present a better candidate that we both feel more strongly on, I'd be happy to hear you out. Not rushing you though, I know there's still a large part of the game to get through.

Would like to hear your initial gutread on Elena when you get a chance even though I don't particularly want to push there right now, just a slot I'm finding hard to settle on a read for and wouldn't mind a fresh take.
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Post Post #2595 (isolation #137) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:58 am

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Chito: you should maybe look into typio or lazarus, I've heard they work well for avoiding lost posts
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Post Post #2599 (isolation #138) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:25 am

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In post 2418, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thanks. I agree that me flipping perspectives like that was bad but it just goes to show I'm not focused on the game at all
Fyi that response might be a while as I am trying to fix a formatting error that breaks the site
Chito: I mean, what I want is an explanation of what you liked about FL's case. If multiquoting is going to break things, then maybe just summarize in your own words (like I originally asked)?
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Post Post #2607 (isolation #139) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:59 am

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Chito: Joan can you hit us with a full reads list?
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Post Post #2617 (isolation #140) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:10 pm

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Chito: So you have no reads on Elena, ooba/rob, Gamma, Dunn, or STK?

I mean I guess I get it if everyone else is in like some shade of grey but you seem to be complaining a lot about the propose FL lynch without really evaluating Rob/Ooba, Gamma, Elena, or anyone else under consideration?

Do you think Dunn's push on Ooba/Rob is good and town-motivated or a scummy push on a lurker slot?
Do you think Gamma really liked FL's case on N&M and has a town retraction when she was pushed on her 180 there, or that she is scum who can't remember where she's pushing?
Given you have Clemency/Ankamius as one of your own townreads, do you feel like Elena's push on that slot had merit?

I guess I'm a little surprised you're at 6 reads out of 100 pages tbh, particularly given the vocal enthusiasm you put behind mastina's reads earlier in the game and the relatively high dissonance you have with them now.
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Post Post #2650 (isolation #141) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:50 pm

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Chito: So Spike are you going to read more than the last two pages? j/w
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Post Post #2652 (isolation #142) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:54 pm

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In post 2645, Spike and Jet wrote:
In post 2578, Spike and Jet wrote:well if you guys dont think its a slip we can go back to ooba
Totally agree here, Jet

Chito: I know I just made a similar argument for Gamma, but considering Spike was clearly just reading the last two pages in reverse and posting on a few things, I'm really confused by why he would make this argument since I don't get the impression (could be wrong here) that he actually read the discussion surrounding the accused slip. (I actually kinda feel like the slip conversation was weak too, but I'm less certain this is an organic Spike response to that conversation)
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Post Post #2657 (isolation #143) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:59 pm

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Chito: To be clear, I'm not really sure if I'm accusing Spike of being scum here or not, but I feel like was Spike saying he was giving the OK to Jet to vote Ooba without using a hydra PT, and i'm not sure he actually cared that much about the vote or was really arguing it wasn't a slip. I mostly want Spike to stop being so apathetic so I can actually see some of his thought process post Vedith red flip.
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Post Post #2672 (isolation #144) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:31 pm

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In post 2650, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: So Spike are you going to read more than the last two pages? j/w
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Post Post #2679 (isolation #145) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:49 pm

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Chito: Spike is Creature and Jet is Xtoxm.
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Post Post #2684 (isolation #146) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:55 pm

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In post 2181, Gamma Emerald wrote:FL's points on Near look damn solid
VOTE: Near X Mello
Chito: I asked a while ago whether you thought this vote from Gamma was bullshit or real
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Post Post #2687 (isolation #147) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:58 pm

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Chito: Partly I'm asking if you think this is how Town!Gamma responds to FL's , Spike.
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Post Post #2702 (isolation #148) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:58 pm

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Would it help if I told you we had an image saved up for when Mastina turns out to be completely wrong about something?

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Post Post #2703 (isolation #149) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:00 pm

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So what do you guys (Spike and Jet) think about Gamma's vote here?
In post 2181, Gamma Emerald wrote:FL's points on Near look damn solid
VOTE: Near X Mello
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Post Post #2710 (isolation #150) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:39 pm

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Chito: Yeah we were hoping to get Creature's reaction, I had already seen your reaction Jet. Creature has a lot of familiarity with Gamma and I feel like he completely ignored the discussion about her so I don't know what's going on with that.
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Post Post #2890 (isolation #151) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:38 am

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In post 2889, Pink Ball wrote:VOTE: Spike and Jet

I wanted Gamma but it's not happening :(
Chito: but you were just on Elena?
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Post Post #2899 (isolation #152) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:31 am

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In post 2895, Elena Fisher wrote:More so I find it interesting that people think I would even be in a poe as scum in the first place, but carry on. Although maybe I would be on this account? It really depends. I don't know what makes me so hard to read to other people so maybe if I was scum I'd be in the poe? Hm, this isn't a topic for here I suppose. Just a thought that crossed my mind for the most part. I have only played one scum game on this account and it was pretty good. Alright, I don't mind a spike lynch mostly because I'm not townreading them, but that's not the main reason I'd want them dead
Chito: I guess for me the main thing is I don't feel like you're having fun this game and that is making it hard to toneread you as town. Maybe roleplaying as Elena makes you seem less relaxed?
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Post Post #2900 (isolation #153) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:38 am

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In post 2799, Spike and Jet wrote:
In post 2710, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Yeah we were hoping to get Creature's reaction, I had already seen your reaction Jet. Creature has a lot of familiarity with Gamma and I feel like he completely ignored the discussion about her so I don't know what's going on with that.
Well, I can't read Gamma that easily, sorry.

Giving a solid read on him is almost a 50/50 chance of going terribly wrong.
Chito: may be a weird question but did anyone else read this as xtoxm pretending to be creature?
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Post Post #2901 (isolation #154) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:39 am

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Chito: maybe that was xtoxm being xtoxm and I'm just confused actually
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Post Post #2912 (isolation #155) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:01 am

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In post 2911, Ankamius wrote:I'd have gotten a lot more mileage out of the FL slot tbh
Chito: Howso? I'm not sure I know what this means
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Post Post #2914 (isolation #156) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:12 am

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Chito: Ohhhh, well Clem had like flashes of towniness but was still pretty ??? I know some people were townreading that slot but I don't think it was widely obvtowned.
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Post Post #2919 (isolation #157) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:00 am

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Ank, you've read all the stuff between Clem and Flavor in your QT by this point, right? What do
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think of the plan they came up with to "mutually confirm" each other? And what do you think of how it was worked out in your channel?

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Post Post #2922 (isolation #158) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:24 am

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Ank:

Did Clem agree to it before Flavor claimed it?

Do you think Flavor/Morality legitimately thought he'd be the N2 kill?

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Post Post #3036 (isolation #159) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:13 pm

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Severa: if Creature were to flip town, would you still think that you should be obvtown to the rest of the game, or is that contingent on Creature flipping scum?

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Post Post #3082 (isolation #160) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:56 pm

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In post 1660, Clemency wrote:homie squad
rise up
Chito: I would like to know if Severa believes this post impacts Ankamius's alignment
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Post Post #3237 (isolation #161) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:51 am

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Chito: In channel 5, Almost 50 claimed that he has a post restriction for about (expired on 2019-03-06 06:50:42) that prevents him from posting in this main game thread. He can, however, post in Channel 5.

So I can relay messages for him, for instance, he DEFINITELY said:
Chito and Yuuri are the best! OMG I am the biggest fan of Chito and Yuuri! They are soooo~~~ great! Yay!

Definitely the first thing he told me to say today.

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Post Post #3272 (isolation #162) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:36 am

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Chito: Set this up for me and Yuuri, but you're all welcome to peruse as well.

At a glance the only thing that jumps out to me is Vedith's movement from 1.9 to 1.11 to 1.13 although I'm not sure what to do with that yet.

Spoiler:
Votecount 1.2
Joan of Arc(3) ~ Elena Fisher(1), mastina(3), Dunnstral(8)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~
Clemency
(15), Near x Mello(4)
Toogeloo
(1) ~
Super Smash Bros. Fan
(1)
Super Smash Bros. Fan
(1) ~
Chito and Yuuri
(2)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ Joan of Arc(8)
Near x Mello(1) ~ Robert2424(3)
Dunnstral(1) ~
BulletNLynchProof
(2)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(3)
Almost50(1) ~ Almost50(8)


Not Voting (7):
Spike and Jet
(0), Gamma Emerald(5),
Toogeloo
(0),
Flavor Leaf
(2), Reasonably Psychotic(7), Torque(11), Asking for a friend(5)


Votecount 1.3
Joan of Arc(3) ~ Elena Fisher(1), Dunnstral(19), Gamma Emerald(20)
Reasonably Psychotic(2) ~ Joan of Arc(21), mastina(16)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~
Clemency
(29), Near x Mello(16)
Toogeloo
(1) ~
Super Smash Bros. Fan
(1)
Super Smash Bros. Fan
(1) ~
Chito and Yuuri
(23)
Near x Mello(1) ~ Robert2424(4)
Morality
(1) ~
BulletNLynchProof
(9)
BulletNLynchProof
(1) ~
Morality
(10)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(5)
Almost50(1) ~ Almost50(18)
Dunnstral(1) ~ Torque(18)


Not Voting (4):
Spike and Jet
(11),
Toogeloo
(7), Reasonably Psychotic(14), Asking for a friend(27)

Votecount 1.4
Super Smash Bros. Fan
(3) ~
Chito and Yuuri
(36), Almost50(30), Near x Mello(28)
Reasonably Psychotic(2) ~ Joan of Arc(22), mastina(16)
Joan of Arc(2) ~ Dunnstral(20), Gamma Emerald(34)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~
Clemency
(34), Elena Fisher(10)
BulletNLynchProof
(2) ~
Morality
(16),
Super Smash Bros. Fan
(2)
Spike and Jet
(1) ~ Asking for a friend(49)
Near x Mello(1) ~ Robert2424(6)
Morality
(1) ~
BulletNLynchProof
(9)
Dunnstral(1) ~ Torque(28)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(6)
Asking for a friend(1) ~
Spike and Jet
(25)


Not Voting (2):
Toogeloo
(7), Reasonably Psychotic(19)

Votecount 1.5
Super Smash Bros. Fan
(3) ~
Chito and Yuuri
(36), Almost50(30), Near x Mello(43)
Joan of Arc(2) ~ Dunnstral(20), Gamma Emerald(38)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~
Clemency
(34), Elena Fisher(10)
BulletNLynchProof
(2) ~
Morality
(16),
Super Smash Bros. Fan
(3)
Asking for a friend(2) ~
Spike and Jet
(39), Joan of Arc(23)
Spike and Jet
(1) ~ Asking for a friend(58)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(16)
Near x Mello(1) ~ Robert2424(8)
Morality
(1) ~
BulletNLynchProof
(14)
Dunnstral(1) ~ Torque(37)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(6)


Not Voting (2):
Toogeloo
(7), Reasonably Psychotic(19)

Votecount 1.6
Gamma Emerald(3) ~
Clemency
(35), Elena Fisher(11),
Toogeloo
(8)
Super Smash Bros. Fan
(2) ~ Almost50(30), Near x Mello(46)
Spike and Jet
(2) ~ Pink Ball(74),
Chito and Yuuri
(39)
Pink Ball(2) ~ Gamma Emerald(38), Joan of Arc(24)
BulletNLynchProof
(2) ~
Morality
(14),
Super Smash Bros. Fan
(3)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(20)
Near x Mello(1) ~ Robert2424(8)
Morality
(1) ~
BulletNLynchProof
(14)
Joan of Arc(1) ~ Dunnstral(22)
Dunnstral(1) ~ Torque(41)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(7)


Not Voting (2):
Spike and Jet
(54), Reasonably Psychotic(19)

Votecount 1.7
Vedith
(4) ~ Almost50(30), Near x Mello(47),
Chito and Yuuri
(41), Torque(46)
Gamma Emerald(3) ~
Clemency
(38), Elena Fisher(11),
Toogeloo
(12)
Pink Ball(2) ~ Gamma Emerald(44), Joan of Arc(27)
Spike and Jet
(1) ~ Pink Ball(74)
singletonking
(1) ~
Morality
(14)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(21)
Near x Mello(1) ~ Robert2424(8)
Morality
(1) ~
singletonking
(15)
Joan of Arc(1) ~ Dunnstral(22)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(8)


Not Voting (3):
Spike and Jet
(66),
Vedith
(1), Reasonably Psychotic(19)

Votecount 1.8
Vedith
(5) ~ Near x Mello(48),
Chito and Yuuri
(50), Torque(46),
Clemency
(40),
Spike and Jet
(101)
Pink Ball(3) ~ Gamma Emerald(49), Joan of Arc(27), Robert2424(11)
Spike and Jet
(2) ~ Pink Ball(77),
Toogeloo
(15)
singletonking
(1) ~
Morality
(15)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(27)
Morality
(1) ~
singletonking
(15)
Joan of Arc(1) ~ Dunnstral(23)
Gamma Emerald(1) ~ Elena Fisher(12)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(8)
Almost50(1) ~
Vedith
(21)


Not Voting (2): Reasonably Psychotic(28), Almost50(33)

Votecount 1.9
Vedith
(5) ~ Near x Mello(67),
Chito and Yuuri
(63), Torque(54),
Clemency
(41),
Spike and Jet
(112)
Pink Ball(3) ~ Gamma Emerald(53), Joan of Arc(27), Robert2424(13)
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Elena Fisher(19), Pink Ball(104), Dunnstral(24)
Spike and Jet
(1) ~
Toogeloo
(19)
singletonking
(1) ~
Morality
(16)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(40)
Morality
(1) ~
singletonking
(17)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(9)
Almost50(1) ~
Vedith
(36)


Not Voting (2): Reasonably Psychotic(30), Almost50(36)

Votecount 1.10
Vedith
(5) ~ Near x Mello(73),
Chito and Yuuri
(67), Torque(60),
Clemency
(41),
Spike and Jet
(112)
Pink Ball(3) ~ Gamma Emerald(61), Joan of Arc(28), Robert2424(15)
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Elena Fisher(19), Pink Ball(122), Dunnstral(24)
Spike and Jet
(1) ~
Toogeloo
(19)
singletonking
(1) ~
Morality
(16)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(50)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(11)
Almost50(1) ~
Vedith
(39)


Not Voting (3):
singletonking
(18), Reasonably Psychotic(36), Almost50(43)

Votecount 1.11
Vedith
(5) ~ Near x Mello(73),
Chito and Yuuri
(70), Torque(60),
Clemency
(43),
Spike and Jet
(115)
Pink Ball(5) ~ Gamma Emerald(66), Joan of Arc(29), Robert2424(15), Almost50(44),
Vedith
(41)
mastina(2) ~
Toogeloo
(21), Pink Ball(124)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~ Elena Fisher(20), Dunnstral(25)
singletonking
(1) ~
Morality
(18)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(51)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(11)


Not Voting (2):
singletonking
(23), Reasonably Psychotic(36)

Votecount 1.12
Vedith
(4) ~ Near x Mello(76),
Chito and Yuuri
(74),
Clemency
(51),
Spike and Jet
(117)
Pink Ball(3) ~ Gamma Emerald(68), Joan of Arc(31), Robert2424(16)
mastina(2) ~
Toogeloo
(22), Almost50(45)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~ Elena Fisher(21), Dunnstral(25)
singletonking
(1) ~
Morality
(18)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(70)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(13)


Not Voting (5):
Vedith
(45),
singletonking
(29), Reasonably Psychotic(38), Torque(66), Pink Ball(150)

Votecount 1.13
Vedith
(4) ~ Near x Mello(78),
Chito and Yuuri
(76),
Clemency
(52),
Spike and Jet
(117)
Pink Ball(3) ~ Gamma Emerald(71), Joan of Arc(31), Robert2424(16)
mastina(2) ~
Toogeloo
(23), Almost50(52)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~ Elena Fisher(21), Dunnstral(25)
singletonking
(1) ~
Morality
(18)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(71)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(13)


Not Voting (5):
Vedith
(47),
singletonking
(30), Reasonably Psychotic(41), Torque(66), Pink Ball(156)

Votecount 1.14
Vedith
(4) ~ Near x Mello(79),
Chito and Yuuri
(76),
Clemency
(52),
Spike and Jet
(118)
Pink Ball(3) ~ Gamma Emerald(71), Joan of Arc(31), Robert2424(17)
mastina(2) ~
Toogeloo
(25), Almost50(52)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~ Elena Fisher(21), Dunnstral(27)
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina(71)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(14)


Not Voting (6):
Vedith
(47),
singletonking
(38),
Morality
(23), Reasonably Psychotic(41), Torque(66), Pink Ball(156)

Votecount 1.15
Vedith
(5) ~ Near x Mello(91),
Chito and Yuuri
(79),
Clemency
(52), mastina(73), Joan of Arc(32)
Pink Ball(3) ~ Robert2424(17), Gamma Emerald(78),
Morality
(29)
mastina(3) ~
Toogeloo
(25), Almost50(53),
Spike and Jet
(124)
Gamma Emerald(2) ~ Elena Fisher(22), Pink Ball(157)
Drixx
(2) ~
singletonking
(48), Torque(67)
Joan of Arc(1) ~ Dunnstral(29)
Clemency
(1) ~
Drixx
(19)


Not Voting (2):
Vedith
(49), Reasonably Psychotic(47)

Votecount 1.16
Vedith
(9) L-1 ~
Chito and Yuuri
(83), mastina(78), Joan of Arc(32),
Drixx
(22), Gamma Emerald(82), Torque(81),
Spike and Jet
(127), Near x Mello(97), Almost50(58)
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Elena Fisher(22), Pink Ball(163),
Clemency
(57)
Pink Ball(2) ~ Robert2424(17),
Morality
(29)
Joan of Arc(1) ~ Dunnstral(31)
Drixx
(1) ~
singletonking
(62)
mastina(1) ~
Toogeloo
(29)


Not Voting (2): Reasonably Psychotic(55),
Vedith
(74)

Votecount 1.16
Vedith
(10) ~
Chito and Yuuri
(85), mastina(78), Joan of Arc(32),
Drixx
(22), Gamma Emerald(82), Torque(82),
Spike and Jet
(127), Near x Mello(97), Almost50(58),
Vedith
(75) -- HAMMER
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Elena Fisher(22), Pink Ball(163),
Clemency
(57)
Pink Ball(2) ~ Robert2424(17),
Morality
(29)
Joan of Arc(1) ~ Dunnstral(31)
Drixx
(1) ~
singletonking
(62)
mastina(1) ~
Toogeloo
(29)


Not Voting (1): Reasonably Psychotic(55)

Votecount 2.1
Reasonably Psychotic(3) ~ mastina(12),
Spike and Jet
(4), Joan of Arc(10)
Robert2424(1) ~ Dunnstral(4)
Elena Fisher(1) ~ Near x Mello(14)


Not Voting (12): Gamma Emerald(2),
singletonking
(9),
Chito and Yuuri
(0),
Toogeloo
(1), Elena Fisher(0),
Morality
(0), Reasonably Psychotic(5), Almost50(2), Torque(0), Robert2424(0),
Clemency
(0), Pink Ball(1)

Votecount 2.2
Reasonably Psychotic(5) ~ mastina(19),
Spike and Jet
(15), Joan of Arc(38), Gamma Emerald(16), Torque(5)
Elena Fisher(2) ~ Near x Mello(39),
Chito and Yuuri
(13)
Robert2424(1) ~ Dunnstral(11)


Not Voting (9):
singletonking
(9),
Toogeloo
(6), Elena Fisher(0),
Morality
(19), Reasonably Psychotic(24), Almost50(9), Robert2424(0),
Clemency
(1), Pink Ball(1)

Votecount 2.3
Reasonably Psychotic(5) ~ mastina(22),
Spike and Jet
(16), Joan of Arc(38), Gamma Emerald(21), Torque(5)
Elena Fisher(2) ~ Near x Mello(41),
Chito and Yuuri
(18)
Robert2424(1) ~ Dunnstral(12)
Gamma Emerald(1) ~ Reasonably Psychotic(27)


Not Voting (8):
singletonking
(10),
Toogeloo
(16), Elena Fisher(0),
Morality
(29), Almost50(23), Robert2424(0),
Clemency
(3), Pink Ball(1)

Votecount 2.4
Near x Mello(3) ~
Morality
(80),
Clemency
(20), Joan of Arc(47)
mastina(3) ~ Near x Mello(81),
Spike and Jet
(18), Almost50(26)
Reasonably Psychotic(2) ~ Gamma Emerald(21), Torque(6)
Elena Fisher(2) ~
Chito and Yuuri
(20),
Toogeloo
(18)
Robert2424(1) ~ Dunnstral(13)
Morality
(1) ~ mastina(39)
Gamma Emerald(1) ~ Reasonably Psychotic(28)


Not Voting (4):
singletonking
(10), Elena Fisher(1), Robert2424(0), Pink Ball(3)

Votecount 2.5
Reasonably Psychotic(3) ~ Gamma Emerald(28), Torque(6),
singletonking
(11)
Near x Mello(3) ~
Morality
(80),
Clemency
(20), Joan of Arc(47)
mastina(3) ~ Near x Mello(84),
Spike and Jet
(18), Almost50(26)
Elena Fisher(2) ~
Chito and Yuuri
(20),
Toogeloo
(18)
Robert2424(1) ~ Dunnstral(13)
Morality
(1) ~ mastina(39)
Gamma Emerald(1) ~ Reasonably Psychotic(28)


Not Voting (3): Elena Fisher(1), Robert2424(1), Pink Ball(3)

Votecount 2.6
Reasonably Psychotic(3) ~ Gamma Emerald(32), Torque(6),
singletonking
(15)
Near x Mello(3) ~
Morality
(84),
Clemency
(22), Joan of Arc(57)
Elena Fisher(3) ~
Chito and Yuuri
(20),
Toogeloo
(19), Almost50(31)
mastina(2) ~ Near x Mello(99),
Spike and Jet
(18)
Robert2424(1) ~ Dunnstral(13)
Morality
(1) ~ mastina(42)
Gamma Emerald(1) ~ Reasonably Psychotic(28)
Clemency
(1) ~ Elena Fisher(9)


Not Voting (2): Robert2424(1), Pink Ball(5)

Votecount 2.7
Robert2424(4) ~ Dunnstral(22), Near x Mello(124),
Toogeloo
(22),
Spike and Jet
(37)
Reasonably Psychotic(3) ~ Gamma Emerald(38), Torque(18),
singletonking
(20)
Near x Mello(2) ~
Clemency
(42), Joan of Arc(65)
Flavor Leaf
(2) ~ mastina(47),
Chito and Yuuri
(31)
Elena Fisher(2) ~ Almost50(37),
Flavor Leaf
(172)
Gamma Emerald(1) ~ Reasonably Psychotic(39)
Clemency
(1) ~ Elena Fisher(9)


Not Voting (2): Robert2424(1), Pink Ball(9)

Votecount 2.8
Robert2424(6) ~ Dunnstral(22), Near x Mello(124),
Toogeloo
(22),
Spike and Jet
(37), Elena Fisher(9),
Clemency
(42)
Reasonably Psychotic(3) ~ Gamma Emerald(38), Torque(18),
singletonking
(20)
Elena Fisher(3) ~ Almost50(37),
Flavor Leaf
(172), Pink Ball(9)
Flavor Leaf
(2) ~ mastina(47),
Chito and Yuuri
(31)
Near x Mello(1) ~ Joan of Arc(65)
Gamma Emerald(1) ~ Reasonably Psychotic(39)


Not Voting (1): Robert2424(1)


Votecount 2.9
ooba(5) ~ Dunnstral,
Spike and Jet
, Elena Fisher,
Clemency
, Gamma Emerald
Elena Fisher(3) ~ Almost50,
Flavor Leaf
, Pink Ball
Reasonably Psychotic(2) ~ Torque,
singletonking

Flavor Leaf
(2) ~ mastina,
Chito and Yuuri

Gamma Emerald(2) ~ Reasonably Psychotic, Near x Mello
Near x Mello(1) ~ Joan of Arc
Clemency
(1) ~
Toogeloo



Not Voting (1): ooba

Votecount 2.10
ooba(3) ~ Dunnstral,
Spike and Jet
, Elena Fisher
Flavor Leaf
(3) ~ mastina, Near x Mello, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Reasonably Psychotic,
Chito and Yuuri
, Torque
Near x Mello(3) ~ Joan of Arc,
Flavor Leaf
, Pink Ball
Ankamius
(1) ~
Toogeloo

Elena Fisher(1) ~ Almost50
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~
singletonking



Not Voting (2): ooba,
Ankamius


Votecount 2.11
ooba(4) ~ Dunnstral(4),
Spike and Jet
(37), Elena Fisher(12),
Toogeloo
(29)
Flavor Leaf
(4) ~ mastina(25), Near x Mello(145),
singletonking
(36), Gamma Emerald(51)
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Reasonably Psychotic(25),
Chito and Yuuri
(37), Torque(30)
Near x Mello(2) ~ Joan of Arc(39),
Flavor Leaf
(200)
Elena Fisher(2) ~ Almost50(27), Pink Ball(20)


Not Voting (2): ooba(2),
Ankamius
(118)

Votecount 2.12
Spike and Jet
(5) ~
Severa
(262),
singletonking
(45),
Ankamius
(150), Dunnstral(53), Gamma Emerald(88)
ooba(4) ~ Elena Fisher(12),
Toogeloo
(29),
Spike and Jet
(104), Near x Mello(260)
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Reasonably Psychotic(26),
Chito and Yuuri
(37), Torque(30)
Severa
(1) ~ mastina(25)
Near x Mello(1) ~ Joan of Arc(39)
Elena Fisher(1) ~ Pink Ball(20)


Not Voting (2): Almost50(86), ooba(2)

Votecount 2.13
Creature
(9) ~
Severa
(262),
singletonking
(45),
Ankamius
(149), Dunnstral(53), Gamma Emerald(51), Near x Mello(266), Pink Ball(34), Elena Fisher(30), Joan of Arc(100) -- HAMMER
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Reasonably Psychotic(25),
Chito and Yuuri
(37), Torque(30)
ooba(2) ~
Creature
(104),
Toogeloo
(31)
Severa
(1) ~ mastina(25)


Not Voting (2): Almost50(88), ooba(2)
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Post Post #3273 (isolation #163) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:38 am

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Chito: Torque why were you thinking of townblocking Dunn?
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Post Post #3340 (isolation #164) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:27 am

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

-Yuuri
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Post Post #3381 (isolation #165) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:58 pm

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Chito: Why is Gamma null to you Dunn?
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Post Post #3386 (isolation #166) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:06 pm

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In post 3375, Dunnstral wrote:give me a few minutes and I'll let you guys know who we're actually lynching today
Chito: This is like off-topic nearly but I was kinda enjoying that the dickwaving had gone down with Severa and Boon dead, so can we refrain from acting like we're going to have one person dictating the lynch.
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Post Post #3395 (isolation #167) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:26 pm

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Chito: Dunn, did you miss the conversation about Gamma yesterday? That's some pretty obnoxious shade coming from someone who just insisted they weren't reading our posts.

Gamma's 180 on Flavor Leaf vs Near and Mello looks worse with FL having flipped town. Also, the way she stalled in explaining what she liked about FL's case on N&M was kinda sketch, even if I was kinda okay with the explanation when she did finally present it. To me it looks like Gamma was pushing each side of a TvT, with reads that have flipped at the drop of a hat.
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Post Post #3431 (isolation #168) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:36 pm

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Chito: A50 did claim a post restriction and that the post restriction would not cause him to be prodded in the main thread. A post restriction does not make him town with certainty but I do believe the post restriction is likely real.

@Dunn
when did your read of Gamma go from scummy to null? Your first impression of the slot in rvs was that she was scummy (but not enough that you voted her) so there must then be something since then that has improved your read of her?
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Post Post #3435 (isolation #169) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:11 pm

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In post 73, Almost50 wrote:Colour me both utterly glad and genuinely shocked then. "A50 is Town" I thought may or may not come from Cerb this early, but "better than me" totally threw me off. Cerb knows I don't see myself worthy of a comparison with him, let alone being called "better" than him.

OK, so first impression is your slot is Town (Cerb wouldn't be trying to "pocket" me, would he?). I also havge some Town vibes from Dunn, BNL, C&Y, FL (though I'll never trust my read in him this early, and off one post), Torque & AfaF (with the reservation that I don't like tw taking the backseat so early). I dunno what to do with Clem's Miller claim, but I'll give him a pass (he's -at least- honest about not having played the role before).

This leaves me with S&J, SSB, Gamma, Joan, Toog (I suspect he may have a 1-shot global protective ability?? :lol: ), Drixx, Maria (my nemesis), mastina, Robert & NxM to sort
preliminarily
.
In post 1469, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1460, Near x Mello wrote:who is scum, almost

~Near
I dunno
for sure
yet, but I agree Elena is likely scum. I also have no quite a few slots that are not in my "confidently TRs" list that may include some player everyone is currently leaning town on.

For example, mastina and RP are not scum
together
, yet one may still be, and I don't know which. They could both be town too.

Spike & Jet is another slot that I independently can't trust. Creature's not obv.owning and Xtoxm.. well, just read his signature on his main to know what I think of his scum game.

I'm leaning Town on Dunn but I have nothing much to prove it (or be confident in it).

I suspect BOTH Miller claims, and I wouldn't be too surprised if they BOTH were scum who went for am over the top gambit. Like, 2 Millers, one flips scum, the other is semi-cofirmed town. THIS though means one of mastina/RP
must be
scum, because these are the two players I can imagine going that far.

Finally, I have no read on Robert, and I dunno why PB suddenly jumped so high on mastina's readlist (despite the fact I personally had a TR on PB, mind you).

The rest I'm comfortable calling town for various reasons.
In post 1510, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1509, mastina wrote:
In post 1499, Toogeloo wrote:Mastina is just lining up my death regardless. If I don't die tonight, I'm going to be death tunneled all day tomorrow by her.
Rightly so! Because you claimed a fucking role that is meant to die N2. And if you don't die N2...why the fuck not.
I'm going to have to step in right now to say: You type a LOT, read little, and comprehend nothing.

Toog maybe scum (not according to me, but .. maybe). He could be checked on N3 (or he could've been checked on N1, mind you).

Yet he could be what he said he sis and he is dying on N2.

Or he could still be what he said he is and scum won't believe it so they won't try to kill him, especially with you offering him to them on a silver platter 9and that['s assuming you're town, which I think you might be, but if I had to choose between you & Toog then he is the townie 11 times out of 10)

Then again, he could be what SPIKE said he is and instead of having scum walk right into the trap you are telling them not to bother because you are their very own minion and will do their job for them without the risk.

So, which is it? Are you bad or are you really bad? Like, even if you didn't believe his claim, and even if you suspected him, why couldn't you just keep your mouth shut until after the fact to see what happens and then talk about it?

The more this hoes on the more I think Spike was actually trying to
protect
Toogeloo, and you (mastina) are persistent on walking in the other direction.

THAT is why (a) I don't read your walls, and (b) I never follow your reads. STOP BEING BAD AT THIS GAME.

Thank you.
Chito: I like A50 for town. 1469 is wrong in ways that are unlikely to come from scum, 73 is a level of early game solving that rarely comes from scum a50 and 1510 works against the way that a50 is more pockety as scum and less combative.
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Post Post #3436 (isolation #170) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:22 pm

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Chito: I'll also mention that his level of tilt at the nature of this push is slightly townie; so based on pt interactions I would say he is also likely town, but given you don't have access to that I will simply focus on his iso.
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Post Post #3447 (isolation #171) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:43 pm

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Chito: Ankamius is a strong player, but you have to evaluate her reads based on the merit of the arguments behind those reads.

She was arguing A50 was scum because a) toneread compared to the police game they played (old meta) and b) random setup speccy stuff

Considering that AP is A50's "jokey" account, I would say A50's play in this game has a comparable amount of jokiness and random setup speccy stuff compared to Ballroom Blitz, which is a more recent game: viewtopic.php?t=78486&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

I don't think it's wrong to take dead players' reads seriously, but I do think it is unwise to deadsheep players without evaluating the merits of their arguments.
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Post Post #3453 (isolation #172) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:33 pm

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In post 3382, mastina wrote:
In post 3268, Torque wrote:@Mastina
a townblock of Joan/Maybe Pink Ball/Dunn/RP/Chito & Yuuri/You/Me effective for today, yes/no
Maybe so--Pink Ball was hard-spewed-town by Vedith.
Reasonably Psychotic was hard-spewed-town by SuperfluousNinja.
Dunnstral was hard-spewed-town by his push on SuperfluousNinja.
Chito and Yuuri were hard-spewed-town for their push on Vedith.

The only name on there I'm not sure of being town is Joan, and even there I agree she's probably town. But I'd prefer to finish a reread of the game with full reevaluation. We've got two dead scum right now, and plenty of time to find the remaining two. I need to find the absolute best POE for the townbloc and make ABSOLUTELY sure there's no scum in it.
Chito: This is a pretty good sense of where your reads are now but can I see your full reads list atm mastina?
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Post Post #3456 (isolation #173) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:27 pm

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Chito: The argument was being made that he was *not jokey enough* and now you are arguing he is *too jokey* -- which suggests to me that the "jokiness" quota for A50 is complete garbage.

When have you seen A50 be scum in the manner in which he is in 1469, arguing that both millers may be scum?

Your assertion that 73 isn't "real solving" also seems weak; for A50, that is a fairly organized list of initial gut reads. If you compare to his scum reads list here viewtopic.php?p=10520306#p10520306 then of course there will be some similarities, because it is still the same person writing an early reads list. But in that list, he goes out of his way to over-explain his early read on his partner (Creature) even though that wasn't one of the slots he was pushing. Whereas in this game is just saying "okay I get town vibes from this group so I'm still sorting these people" rather than pretending like he has a coherent lynch pool. It is much more town tonally here.

As for 1510, A50 certainly will do reactionary wallposts as scum, but he doesn't tend to go immediately for the AtE -- viewtopic.php?p=10553073#p10553073 is him doing a reactionary wallpost in response to a push as scum, but compared to 1510 it is quite calm in tone.

So I can see where you're coming from -- coming up with early game reads, pushing back on people pushing his slot, these are all things that CAN come from scum A50, but scum A50 has a very particular tone, where he is a little bit more stepped back. Town A50 is more emotive.
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Post Post #3457 (isolation #174) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:30 pm

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Chito: I guess I can see where you're coming from a bit better after writing 3456, I can see how at a glance this looks a lot like scum A50. Some of the things I thought he didn't tend to do as scum he actually sometimes does, but I'm still having a hard time seeing him as scum here anyway.
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Post Post #3458 (isolation #175) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:42 pm

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In post 3443, Gamma Emerald wrote:Ffs
Maybe I need to die so I'll stop being a moron all over the thread with my brain leakage
Chito: As an aside, this is kinda how I feel like Gamma would feel about the thread after reading that her scumbuddy got modkilled. I guess a big thing for me here is that this feels a lot like how Gamma would be feeling about the thread after a scum modkill flip, particularly if there was already one scum down. The POV flips in regard to N&M and Morality continue to bug me there. There are like, little things in Gamma's iso that make me second guess myself, but I still think Gamma is one of the better flips.

I think N&M probably is getting thrown off because your push on A50 feels scum-motivated if you're townreading A50, which I think it is reasonable to do -- and let's just accept that that is more up for debate than you may think. I'll concede that A50 is perhaps not has obvtown as I thought he was before starting this conversation, and I can see where you're coming from.

I guess I'll step back a bit but I feel like our reads are overlapping a lot other than A50 -- who I think I see where you're coming from and disagree -- and N&M, who I would put over Elena atm.
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Post Post #3461 (isolation #176) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:56 pm

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In post 3459, mastina wrote:o you think that in a ROLE MADNESS game, Drixx was killed exclusively for counterclaiming the scum role?
Chito: tbh kinda yeah? idk I think NK spec tends to be pretty shoddy about 90% of the time
In post 3459, mastina wrote:She is one of the best players at reading Almost50. I rate her ability to read him as better than mine, and according to Joan, she had a rather notable scumread on him.

Chito: Yeah still don't like this. Ank may be good but she was in the thread for like 5 days and was not privy to today's flips, including Toogeloo who might have adjusted her PoE. Already talked about this though.
In post 3459, mastina wrote:RC is also a strong town player; he has a damn good process
Chito: I mean, Severa also literally said he just did not read Elena, so it's not like Severa was arguing A50 was scummier than Elena (at least not in this thread, lmk if he posted some night time reads list before he died).

I mean, bottom line for me is that A50 still seems tonally town. Partly that's from stuff he's said in the PT, and partly that's from his thought process I've seen throughout the game. But I'll talk with Yuuri about it and think about your arguments.
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Post Post #3530 (isolation #177) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:08 am

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Chito: Ok. No. It's not just "mastina/elena" that is what two people are saying. I'm saying we need to look at GAMMA.
In post 18, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hello all! Let’s mess the scum up shall we?
Scummy RVS entrance.
In post 81, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 79, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 18, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hello all! Let’s mess the scum up shall we?
In post 76, Gamma Emerald wrote:This game is remarkably shorter thanI would’ve expected lol
Scummy
I’d say you’re shit at reading me but you haven’t been Town with me in a while so I don’t know what the actual level is there
One of the few townie responses -- but compared to all the issues I have with this iso, this is not nearly enough for me.
In post 85, Gamma Emerald wrote:Lame tryharding.
Scummy.
In post 172, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 42, Clemency wrote:no you're not but nice try
I also find this worth filing away for later.
Scummy.
In post 174, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 55, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 55, mastina wrote:
In post 47, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 44, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 42, mastina wrote:Hi I'm a mason with Clemency.
VOTE: Joan of Arc.
Scum!
Any particular reasons why?
Because you scumslipped, duh.
Where?
In post 56, Joan of Arc wrote:Considering I am town, there isn't any and there can't be any, so you are bluffing.
Yeah this person is scrambling it seems.
VOTE: Jaune Arc
:wink: :P
Is this a real town reaction to Joan asking "where?" I don't think so. How does that make Joan "scrambling"?
In post 183, Gamma Emerald wrote:and you claiming that with your scrambling makes you scummier, as why would you scramble like that if you were unlynchable?
This doesn't actually make sense although I'm not sure it's scummy but it's not a townie thought process either
In post 349, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also SSBF proly town
This is a terrible position that Gamma later backpedals in the worst way after stalling
In post 407, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 368, Spike and Jet wrote:and anti-vaxxers say vaccines are bad, so what?
I think this is a town!Creature response
This is the second thing that Gamma says that actually strikes me as slightly townie -- so no, I'm not 100% sure Gamma is scum, and I feel like there's worth having a conversation here, but this is still not nearly enough to shake my read.
In post 469, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 438, Torque wrote:Gamma what of ssbf's catch up did you like lol i dont get it
In a sec
Scummy stalling.
In post 553, Gamma Emerald wrote:Tbh I like SSBF's posting a lot less now. I think I just saw walls with seemingly thought out statements and townbinned it.
What's really important here is how this relates to the N&M backpedal later, in addition to this being a scummy backpedal on a townread of scum.
In post 915, Gamma Emerald wrote:Mmm I feel like Morality is town but that'll be pending his return.
why would Morality's 'return' change his alignment?
In post 1068, Gamma Emerald wrote:Drixx wut are your reads rn?
In post 1076, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Drixx
post reads or die, that's where I'm at with you rn
In post 1081, Gamma Emerald wrote:half of those "reads" aren't conclusive. Clarify.
In post 1083, Gamma Emerald wrote:I have. No excuse for him to give wishy-washy looking garbage.
scummy
In post 1158, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Vedith mkay
0 reason to see this as not a bus

In post 1744, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1721, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 1720, Near x Mello wrote:im not trying to lynch him but ill let that aside

why is he not fakeclaiming that role? why should i automatically believe him? do you think morality is not good enough scum to play like he has played?

~Near
First off, each time I asked that exact same question, people flipped me off, so why shouldn't I do the same to you?

Second of all, here
In post 1674, Joan of Arc wrote:If you look at all my games since SU2, you'll see that I doubted the hell out of my hood-mates, every single time.
Oh, and this is the reason I usually make fluff posts, because every time I try to play seriously, people shut me out.
Feeling like Joan is town.
This isn't that bad on its own but it's worth pointing out that Gamma has flipped just about every single read this game, not just the scummy backpedal on Vedith, but basically every read flip flops nonstop.
In post 2023, Gamma Emerald wrote:I like Near's case on Robert rn
Like, this is not that long before the flip to voting Near.
In post 2072, Gamma Emerald wrote:holy fucking gross
just because I miscommunicate info I'm no longer town?
VOTE: Almost50, let's fucking jam my dude
In post 664, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 595, Almost50 wrote:
In post 592, Vedith wrote:
In post 590, Almost50 wrote:I love your honesty. here's a reward:

UNVOTE:
That was a little easy. What if I was lying?
If you had said anything else I would have suspected you were lying. This is the one and only reason I thought might make sense for that vote.
A50 is town guys.
Just putting this flip in juxtaposition.
In post 2093, Gamma Emerald wrote:lol whatever VOTE: Robert
In post 2091, Near x Mello wrote:this is the second time you ignore me

VOTE: gamma

~Near
Okay, my apologies but I'm watching a VOD in the meantime and I'm trying to not miss awesome moments
As for my reads I suspect Robert as stated, I also am kinda waffling on Morality/flavor
0 reason to think this is not a bus
In post 2181, Gamma Emerald wrote:FL's points on Near look damn solid
VOTE: Near X Mello
this is an insane flip and tantamount to a scumclaim imo
In post 2386, Gamma Emerald wrote:I kinda wanna just vote FL now
reminder that morality has been townread throughout this game before now
In post 1687, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1545, Morality wrote:I made my Hokage Naruto reference because I’m a character like that, and I’ll show you when I become Hokage.

That’s not my role, but it’s a solid parallel. I’ve already claimed in my channel. If you still want to push me, this is going to be an extremely over the top game. My channel and I have already pretty much nearly full claimed to each other. I can protect my channel and take out scum in the process.

I’m not going to say how, but I will take out a scum alongside me when my demise eventually comes.
This is town.
as such for context
In post 3439, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3337, Tatsuya Kaname wrote:
MOD DECISION: SuperfluousNinja is being modkilled
for intentionally trying to communicate with another player through PM, being aware of abusing the rules. Their alignment will now be turned into a Neutral Survivor. Their Role PM before being modkilled is shown below. As there are no critical issues that would compromise the game, game now continues normally.


Spoiler: SuperfluousNinja's Role PM
ANIME U-PICK: KING SIZE
CHIBA ERIKA

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Welcome,
Robert2424, ooba
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, your role is
CHIBA ERIKA (Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei), sided with the Youtube Copystrikers!
!

WHAT YOU HAVE
  • - You have your voice and vote, use them wisely and victory is yours.
    - You have [REDACTED] as your fellow Copystrikers. You all share a where you can talk with your teammates during nights and pregame. Your Factional PT is locked during day phases.
    - You also have a
    factional kill
    power. Decide with your teammates and confirm in your PT;
    who is going to kill whom?
    . You may change decisions until the end of the night. You may choose to not kill.
    - You are invited to join 12312312121. Click on a channel name to access it.
    - As a trained daughter of the Chiba family, your physical abilities and speed are well beyond average. You try to use your speed to confuse others.
    {(UNLOCKED NIGHT 1)You may distract another player by targeting them each night. The target will be notified that someone targeted them, but not that you did. This action has no further effect.}

    -
    {(UNLOCKED NIGHT 2) If there is someone targeting you (if more than one, a random person), their action will fail and they will receive this message: "Whoosh, you're too slow, the target ran away".
    [/color]
    - ETHEREAL HIDDEN SWORD TECHNIQUE - KIRIKAGE!
    {(UNLOCKS NIGHT 3)With this honed skill, any nightkills made by you will become critical and cannot be saved by any healing roles. (I'm speaking about roles like Doctor)}.

    -
    REMEMBER THAT SOME OF YOUR ABILITIES ARE GREYED OUT AND WILL BE UNLOCKED WHEN THE GAME REACHES THE PHASE WRITTEN IN FRONT OF EACH LOCKED ABILITIES. AT THE END OF DAY 3, YOU MAY DECIDE TO DROP THIS ROLE PM AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW ONE. MORE INFORMATION IN THE GAME THREAD.

HOW TO WIN
  • -
    You win when at least half of the living players are YTCSs (Like 2 in 4) and no hostile neutrals (if any exist) are alive.
Good luck, y̙͔̽̓ͥ̈́o͇̖͈̹̹̦̹ͯ́ͧ̔́u̢͓͙̪̓'̗̜̼͎͆͢lͣ͐ͣ̓ͫ͏̶̙̞͇̖̗͍l̳̝̪̬̀͊ͭ̂͢ ̭͍̭̰͉́̾ͭ͊ͨ͒̚̕͢n͙̗̝̙̺̘͆͋̇͆ͧ̓ͦ̆͗́ê̴̱̦͎͇̄ͫ̋̀ͅe̵̼͙̗̣͔̞͂ͮ͑ͮ̿͜͝d̵͙̹̫͚̿͆̊̄̃ͨ̊ͤͤ͟ ̞̠̜̤̪̰͖̎̿͒̂́̀i̡͈̳͎͈͖͙̥ͦ͡t̴͙̭͉̘̠̬̥͊͐͛!̐̊ͦ͌ͫ̆ͫͧ́͠҉̟̥͈̻̙̱
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In post 3440, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3347, Near x Mello wrote:thats not scum indicative for me. I bus weak buddies

~Near
Can back this up and Clem should too
In post 3441, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3409, mastina wrote:
In post 586, Vedith wrote:Well, I'm almost half way to being lynched. That's a pretty big thing to put onto one guy.
Now, I could have made it equal and voted Gamma, but that would make me as bad as the people voting me!
RED FLAGS RED FLAGS

Vedith entered the game as the largest wagon--he voted Pink Ball, the largest counterwagon, and avoided voting Gamma...with this bullshit excuse.

Try telling me with a straight face that his reason for not voting Gamma Emerald isn't absolute bullshit.
Are you trying to case me here? Cos it sounds like it.
this is exactly how I would see gamma responding to a scumbuddy being modkilled as scum.

I just read this iso, and the logical development *makes no sense whatsoever*

every position flips

every read changes at the drop of a hat

every vote on scum looks like a bus

there's like, two posts, I kinda like, out of the entire iso, but I wanna say those are pretty easily faked by scum Gamma.

This slot should go today.

Thankies.
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Post Post #3532 (isolation #178) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:17 am

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Chito: No. You need to give me one reason to townread Gamma other than "I said so." Don't insult Gamma's townplay by implying that this level of incoherence is characteristic of her towngame.

Gamma is not town based on meta so stop pretending like she is.
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Post Post #3542 (isolation #179) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:48 am

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Chito: Why can't we all just join hands, sing kumbaya, and lynch gamma emerald?
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Post Post #3553 (isolation #180) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 am

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In post 3552, Akarin wrote:
In post 3551, Joan of Arc wrote:repeatedly bashing his head against a block of concrete
Isn't this just a metaphor for forum mafia in general?

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Post Post #3555 (isolation #181) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:30 am

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Chito: What the fuck is your problem Dunn?
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Post Post #3562 (isolation #182) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:53 pm

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Chito: So anyway, me and Near have been having a side argument in channel 5 about Gamma. I get where he's coming from a bit better. He apparently thinks that there are tonal similarities to No Deadlines mafia, where Gamma was town--and simply put, I disagree.

If you're really reliant on meta for Gamma, then I did find a scum game that I think is a decent enough fit for the things that but me about the slot in this game:

viewtopic.php?t=77657&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

If you look at Gamma's read development in mini normal 2041, then you can see that he just randomly flip flops on certain key reads -- like PenguinPower -- when the wagon suits him.

In this sense, unnatural read development thought processes *are scum indicative* for Gamma.

While there are a few nominal similarities to no deadlines, and I get where you're coming from, the *underlying thought processes* are much more in line here with Mini Normal 2041 in my view.

So if you're making a meta argument, I want it clear that I don't think this is the town Gamma that does occasionally sheep wagons with little explanation, as seen in No Deadlines mafia, and instead I think this is the Gamma from Mini Normal 2041 that flips underdeveloped reads when the game state suits her.
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Post Post #3564 (isolation #183) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:56 pm

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Chito: I guess we're kinda in a point where people want to be really snarky and condescending to each other and not solve though so maybe this isn't even the right time for me to continue casing Gamma.

Like I know people are confident in their reads and stuff, I don't really know why Wisdom is now giving ultimatums for mastina, but I think when we get down to it and look at the evidence that *Gamma is scum* and is the best lynch for solving the game.

I have yet to hear a rebuttal to any of my key arguments other than Near who I guess in pedit is now making a more expansive argument
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Post Post #3566 (isolation #184) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:57 pm

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In post 3563, Near x Mello wrote:that was just an example. This is another instance of you assigning your own reasons to my reads.
Chito: Dude you said "read no deadlines and tell me this isn't the same gamma here" and then I read no deadlines and told you this *isn't the same Gamma here*

If there's another game you want to point to where Gamma has *this level of inconsistency in reads* then you are welcome to point to it but until then maybe you need to consider the possibility that you're the one who is making faulty assumptions about Gamma's meta.
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Post Post #3571 (isolation #185) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:05 pm

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Chito: Dude, neither of those slots are obvtown. They may be *lean town* for a variety of reasons but saying they are "obvtown from meta" is just unconvincing.

Joan's play this game, as I mentioned before, is not totally distinct from her play in Story Revisted, where she made a large part of her iso dedicated to having weird interactions with mastina -- not obvtown. If Joan is town she is town *despite* her weird interactions with mastina.

Frankly I think you saying that Dunn is obvtown based on meta is just... weaksauce, I don't even know what else to say, but he is not a simple player.
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Post Post #3572 (isolation #186) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:06 pm

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In post 3569, Near x Mello wrote:why am i constantly the only one who sees it
How can you read mastina claiming she pushed vedith and go "oh, ok, shes right" WHEN SHE DID NOT PUSH VEDITH ONE BIT?
Chito: I feel like you're getting really frustrated right now so maybe I should take a break from the thread because I'm not sure we're in a mood right now to solve.

But I do think saying "mastina is lying about her interactions with Vedith" will be a much more productive conversation than saying "I am never moving my vote from mastina and anyone who disagrees is throwing"

One of those two statements is much more likely to create an interesting conversation than the other.
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Post Post #3720 (isolation #187) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:44 pm

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Chito: Okay well there's a bunch of wallposts. My initial inclination, indeed I think the inclination of most people, is to kinda tune them out frankly.

Wallpost catchup part 1:
Spoiler:
But they exist, and theoretically there is some amount of useful content in at least some of them. Let's find out.

3614: Mastina: "I'm not scum with Elena because Elena made me loved and this surprised me." -- kinda a weak and wifomy argument but I'm not really in love with mastina/elena scum team anyway

3615: This post can be skipped

3617: this post can also be skipped

3619: This post is actually kinda gross because you have edited 651 to make it seem like you were putting a lot of emphasis on Vedith when you also commented on pink ball and cerb. Aside from that 'I was clearly willing to compromise on Vedith' which is fine but that's not the same thing as a push so w/e that's kinda immaterial to the argument that you were misrepping your interactions with Vedith d1

I also don't get why you would PM the mod that you're second guessing a read? That's just weird

okay so that's page 145.

3630: 1 is wifomy bs, 2 is wifomy bs, and also you arguing you 'might have killed joan' is laughable but also irrelevant

3642: This post is basically "read page 130 and decide if mastina SN is w/w, I don't think it is" -- like, okay that can be your argument, but I'm not even sure I agree. I mean SN's posts are so fucking weird that I don't know I can casually rule out overplayed theater. Considering how Joan/Mastina played Story Revisited, overblown scum theater is like mastina scum 101.

ok that was page 146

3654: Ok. First of all, why the fuck does everyone assume there IS a scum mastermind? Scum have been getting destroyed this game so arguing that there is a scum mastermind calling the shots is frankly unsubstantiated wifom. There's no evidence that there is a scum mastermind, all we've seen so far is scum imploding. That's one of the main reasons I've been saying it's Gamma; Gamma's play largely matches the trajectory of a directionless, imploding scumteam. This insistence from everyone that there's a deepscum mastermind I think has related in some of the dumbest, worst pushes this game.

Also your argument that scum has to be REALLY GOOD to pull off behind the scenes manipulation in a game with a billion PTs is nonsense.

OK can I just take a break here.

Mastina, if you write a fucking post like 3654 again, I will lynch you just for town sanity. Like, it is not okay to write something that looks like this:

Spoiler:
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In pure aesthetics, this looks like complete garbage. It's not okay mastina. You are not allowed to spam multiquotes of your own posts unspoiled. It looks awful.

No one is reading all that shit again who would not simply just read your iso.

When you actually get back to comprehensible content, you argue 590 looks bad (it does), but you double down that 825 also looks bad when it comes down to A50 townreading Vedith. Yes, A50 was demonstrably wrong on Vedith. That in and of itself does not make him scum and repeating the point with like three different quotes does not make your argument more convincing. I feel like the point is actually weaker with you repeating it so many damn times because I start tuning you out.

OK and then we get this:

Spoiler:
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Mastina, 3654 is the ugliest post, aesthetically, I might have ever seen on this site. If you keep writing posts that simply *look like garbage* and I mean that on the level of pure visuality, you're going to get lynched. In the scenario that you are town, you need to stop writing ugly posts. In the scenario that you're scum, you should also stop because if you're scum I'd rather lynch you because you're scummy and not because I gag when I look at your posts.

Back to AI things, wallpost catchup part 2:
Spoiler:
Also, stop saying that Drixx and Cerb scumread A50 for "mechanical" reasons when there isn't an iota of fucking mechanics there, they're saying he's scum because his votes on day 1 look bad. Hate to break it to you mastina but having shitty looking day 1 votes is pretty common for town too. Deadsheeping two players on a weak point does not make your point more convincing, nor does repeating that point 4 different times.

If you make any good point in this mess, it's that given A50 said he should try to sort Gamma/Robert/Elena, he probably should have done more to actually do that. I guarantee you most of the players did not read you making that point though because it was in your ugly as hell "big font" section.

You're right that A50's trajectory from 1457 to 2545 looks bad in juxtaposition, although there was also a significant amount of game time between those points. It is worth wondering about how A50 got to the point of making 2545 I guess.

You also argue that A50 has been unusually passive with his votes.

Okay, and that concludes the worst post, visually, that mafiascum has ever seen.

3655: this can be skipped since it is literally just 3654 with a fixed tag

3661: You're townreading Elena because she made you loved -- uhh, mastina

MECHANICS != ALIGNMENT

So giving Elena a "1 day pass" because she made you loved, which apparently is a big part of your argument, flies in the face of most of your own arguments.

Indeed, robert was in your PoE.

1516 is indeed one reason that I don't particularly want to lynch you right now which I know is what is driving Near up the wall.

1539 also looked pretty good to me.

This post actually does serve as a pretty good reminder of why I don't particularly want to lynch you.

*random explosion at RP at which point no one else needs to read the rest of this post*

3670: Can be skipped

Page 148 can also be skipped

okay I think I have survived these posts. I'm not going to pretend I read every word because I didn't and no one should.


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Here is the TL;DR of all this noise:
A) Elena made Mastina loved, and for no reason that isn't complete garbage this means mastina thinks Elena is off the table for today.
B) editing is almost enough to make me flip my read of you (mastina) given that the whole argument against you is that you are misrepping your past interactions, so it's incredible you would edit a post to change the emphasis you put on vedith
C) All your reasons to say you can't be scum because of NKA are pure noise. I'm not saying that to say you're scum, I'm saying that to reinforce that you are spewing a lot of *pure noise* which is making it easy for people to think you are simply trying to disrupt the gamestate with spammy walls full of garbage.
D) A significant part of your push on A50 apparently is based on the unproven premise that there is a "scum mastermind" and you apparently think that the "scum mastermind" must be lynched today rather than simply lynching the player that is objectively the most scummy. This seems like terrible logic.
E) You also think A50 is scum because he has been passive with votes and because he flip flopped on his Flavor Leaf/Morality read. These are decent points--but again, I don't see how they make A50 the scummiest person in the room, when these arguments apply to Gamma except x10. I also will address this point at the bottom of this post.
F) Mastina, if you keep writing posts that make everyone in the thread want to stop reading, like 3654 -- which might be the worst post ever in terms of design -- you will get lynched simply out of exasperation.
G) You keep misusing the word "mechanical" and that's also annoying and it makes it really easy to ignore almost everything you say about Cerb and Drixx.
H) and are probably the main reasons I would prefer to lynch Gamma over you right now. If you are town, it is mainly because of posts like that, where you actually seem to have a comprehensible read development.

So having read all of that, mastina you are making things worse for yourself, you are making it actually harder to spot the few good points you make about A50 which will help us have a real conversation about him, and you are caught up in a poor premise that it seems is turning this entire game into a dick-waving contest that everyone has to be the one to catch the "mastermind" rather than just catching scum.

In regard to your best points about A50, simply put, you yourself just modded Ballroom Blitz, where AP made passive unvote posts like: viewtopic.php?p=10700080#p10700080

But you are right that he does tend to *revote faster* even in Ballroom Blitz, and that he has been unusually passive this game.

So arguing A50 is scum from meta because his votes are too passive seems like it just isn't really that good of a reason to me. And saying that A50 is scum because, over the course of 1000 posts, he flipped his read on Morality, is like... WTF how are you focusing on that and *NOT* making Gamma your top priority?

I don't think you pushing A50 is totally insane, I don't think A50 is obvtown from your perspective (if you are town), and I still am not totally in love with the idea of you being scum, even though -- to be clear -- I really did not want to read your wallposts and seriously considered flipping you just so that, if I did read them, I could do so while already knowing your alignment.

So please, please stop writing posts that look awful. Condense your points and stop, stop, stop multiquoting yourself, and never, ever use the "large" font size again please. Thankies.

gdi even my TL;DR is too fucking long 0.o
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Post Post #3722 (isolation #188) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:55 pm

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Chito: ohhh the broken tag you mentioned in 3655 was the large font tag. Alright I shouldn't have complained so much about that, but I guess it goes to reinforce my point that there was *so much shit* in 3654 and simply saying "oh let me fix that tag" did not actually work to make it clear that we should just not read 3654 because it was unintentionally ugly. So sorry but not sorry, 3654 was still awful looking because of the spammy self multi-quote that makes the whole post easy to just tune out.

pedit: oh dear god there's another one
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Post Post #3723 (isolation #189) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:57 pm

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Chito: you get that no one is going to take you self-metaing an argument that you're not proactive as scum seriously when you spend every other post saying you can do literally anything as scum right

like why are you bothering to self-meta yourself, no one is going to buy it and it's just another pointless distraction
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Post Post #3733 (isolation #190) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:12 pm

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In post 3727, mastina wrote:
In post 3720, Chito and Yuuri wrote:3619: This post is actually kinda gross because you have edited 651 to make it seem like you were putting a lot of emphasis on Vedith when you also commented on pink ball and cerb.
I always highlight the relevant parts--yes, there are other parts that I cut out and yes there are other parts that I don't emphasize, but that's because I highlight the areas that are actually pertinent to my point. If I make a wallpost containing reads on every player, do you expect me when coming back to reference it to quote the entire thing, or just the part of it that I need?

...Precisely the same principle here.
Chito: No. Editing out the parts where you said someone's reads were bad because they had two other scumreads you disagreed with is a terrible idea when you are being accused of recreating a different narrative than is reality to make yourself look better for manipulative reasons. It's not even kinda the "same principle"
In post 3727, mastina wrote:Multiple reasons.
1: experience. There is almost always a scum mastermind.
2: Gut feeling. The signs of a scum mastermind feel like they are present.
3: The nightkills. The nightkills point towards a more conniving scum player.
1. No, there isn't "always" a scum mastermind.
2. There are a lot more signs of town cannibalism than scum masterminding.
3. No, they don't.
In post 3727, mastina wrote:
In post 3720, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Also, stop saying that Drixx and Cerb scumread A50 for "mechanical" reasons when there isn't an iota of fucking mechanics there
What's not mechanical about saying "Almost50 has a scum role cackling like a maniac" (more or less)?
That seems pretty blatant to me.
what the fuck happened to role != alignment?
In post 3727, mastina wrote:
In post 3720, Chito and Yuuri wrote:You're townreading Elena because she made you loved
Nope!
Well that's how you made it seem; what do you see in her posts that she liked? You make it seem like she's done something incredible in the PT but nothing in her iso in thread seems particularly TI, particularly given her insistence this is her "tryhard" account.
In post 3727, mastina wrote: Almost50 doesn't need to unvote and then immediately vote someone else.
But he does when unvoting need to not just
do nothing
with it.
And for that matter when voting to not just
do nothing
with it.

Yet here he is.
This is probably your best point but it's not enough to convince me A50 is a better lynch for today over Gamma or for that matter Elena, who your townread of is currently unconvincing.
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Post Post #3736 (isolation #191) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:44 pm

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In post 3734, mastina wrote:Except it fucking is.
Chito: Except no it isn't. It's not a "convenience" thing if you are trying to towncase yourself based on your early game interactions and then you then adjust those interactions to make your play look more explicitly protown. Like you're making it really easy to understand why Wisdom is scumreading you because you keep misrepresenting your early game interactions. I'm not even saying you're for sure scum for that post I'm just observing that it looks gross. Given your willingness to spam multiquotes of yourself in literally the exact same post, it makes 0 sense that you then would decide to snip away the parts of one post in particular that doesn't fit your narrative. You can either spam literally everything you wrote word for word, or you can paraphrase, but editing your own posts to make them look better is just distracting and annoying especially when you are ALSO spamming every other post word for word.
In post 3734, mastina wrote:That is the difference here.
Drixx and Cerb have setup-oriented reasons for believing Almost50's claimed role is a scum one
--the equivalent of a roleblocker claiming when a town cop and town doc are known to exist in the game.
The same Cerb that has maintained for most of the game that despite the spec about his role A50 is town, right?
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Post Post #3771 (isolation #192) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:20 pm

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Chito: @mastina, please correct the mod's vote count by voting Gamma Emerald ;)
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Post Post #3814 (isolation #193) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:29 pm

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In post 3743, Joan of Arc wrote:So ya think that it's laughable that anyone might respect my skills?
Chito: Didn't see this earlier.

I was more saying it's pretty unlikely mastina as scum nightkills you when you've made so much of your iso insistent on sheeping her reads, and when, if N&M is town, then your animosity toward that slot basically guarantees you stay alive. So based on the gamestate, mastina basically never kills you on n1-3. Not everything is a personal insult, you know.
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Post Post #3820 (isolation #194) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:04 pm

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Mastina, you figured out who Joan was by your 8th post in the game. Are you saying you wouldn't have expected her to push Near x Mello at some point?

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Post Post #3916 (isolation #195) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:05 am

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Chito: Since Near just asked for the Joan discussion to stop, I'll go ahead and throw out that she could easily flip scum her.

The number of exact similarities to Story Revisited in this game really bugs me. In particular:
-claiming flavor/implying mechanics for no reason
-tunneling one player at a time
-...while constantly emphasizing that everything can be explained by Steven Universe 2...
-...and complaining about being ignored in her tunnel and guilt tripping people as a result

Like, the reason Near thinks that Joan is town is because she cannot fake her animosity toward him or something as scum, but frankly that is a garbage reason to give her an easy townread. And frankly if she's going to keep playing like this, constantly shading people for pushes and trying to do pre-flip guilt trips, without actually explaining things other than "read Steven Universe 2" then I don't really see why she should be outside the PoE.

And no, Near, this isn't a fucking playstyle critique, this is an observation that there are a LOT of similarities to her play in Story Revisited where she was scum.

Claiming flavor/mechanics early for no reason:
Spoiler:
In post 23, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 18, jjh927 wrote:
In post 13, NicoRobin wrote:Hi, all ye who exist here.

My flavor is Portgas D. Ace.
Is your ability getting a big burning hole through your chest because if not it can be arranged

VOTE: NicoRobin

fwiw Katakuri was one of my picks but I didn't get him
Nah, nothing like that. My ability is to set a person on fire. I can do this twice per game. Also, I cannot use this ability before N2.


Insistence that strange choices for a town player to make are due to the desire to be "memeing"

Spoiler:
In post 42, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 24, Invisibility wrote:why clai everything now
memeing.
In post 82, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 75, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 13, NicoRobin wrote:Hi, all ye who exist here.

My flavor is Portgas D. Ace.
Why are you doing this now?
Memeing.

Here, have a cool song I found

In post 85, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 84, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 42, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 24, Invisibility wrote:why clai everything now
memeing.
Are you being serious about the claim though?
Obviously not, since I am memeing. :c


Bizarre tunnel on a single player (mastina)
Spoiler:
In post 420, NicoRobin wrote:@mastina Answer my question or die. >.>
In post 575, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: mastina

I'll remove it if you answer my questions when you come back, cos right now, this is feeling shifty.
In post 756, NicoRobin wrote:
Shoot: mastina
In post 790, NicoRobin wrote:Those who agree that mastina is scummy, say 'aye'. If we have enough, we can lynch her.


Frequent complaining about her nonsense tunnel being ignored:
Spoiler:
In post 1052, NicoRobin wrote:Morning. Also, I noticed some people are scumreading mastina, so why is m push on her ignored? >.>
In post 1094, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 1093, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why would she exclude you though?
That's precisely it. As town, she wouldn't exclude me.
In post 1403, NicoRobin wrote:Everyone, listen to me, and vote mastina!
In post 1841, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: mastina


Constant emphasis on Steven Universe 2, while not actually explaining what about that game is relevant or focusing on play in the game in question:
Spoiler:
In post 2912, NicoRobin wrote:I actually agree with Vecna. Just because a role seems town doesn't mean the alignment is. Read Steven Universe 2 for details, how about that?

VOTE: mastina
In post 2923, NicoRobin wrote:@Varsoon You were the mod of SU2, and you know what happened. So please back me up. They would actually listen to you as opposed to me..... :/
In post 2937, NicoRobin wrote:in spite of SU2, a game he played, proving otherwise.
In post 2953, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 2951, jjh927 wrote:If I'm making assumptions that you don't agree with then point them out. Otherwise my logic is fine and your outright "setup spec is never valid" logic falls TOTALLY flat when you recall that I have correctly used setup spec to assist in casing you in an RC game
Go read Steven Universe 2 game mafia, hosted by Varsoon. Focus on Reasonably Rational. Right there is the fault in your assumptions. People read his role as towny and yet he ended up being scum. Hence, reading someone as town on their role alone is a bad idea. Even mastina herself would agree with me on this one.


Return to complaining about being ignored:
Spoiler:
In post 3010, NicoRobin wrote:And don't ask me damn questions and then fucking ignore me.

You are getting in the way of victory here.
In post 3060, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 3059, Invisibility wrote:are we lynching mastina
I wanna, but dem idiots are refusing solely because of her role.


"Giving up" due to being ignored in her nonsense s/s tunnel:
Spoiler:
In post 3173, NicoRobin wrote:Nvm, I give up. Maybe falling flat on your face will do you good.


That doesn't mean everything is the same; she does also claim mechanical interactions as part of the bus:
Spoiler:
In post 3246, NicoRobin wrote:Hello. Mastina is not loyal.
In post 3249, NicoRobin wrote:I am a rolecop, and I checked her, and she is not loyal.
In post 3253, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: mastina

p-edit: I told you my results. If you have something else in mind, please tell me what, because I am drawing a blank regarding what more you could possibly want......


Even in the context of a mechanical bus, continued emphasis on Steven Universe 2:
Spoiler:
In post 3255, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 3248, Chickadee wrote:Like, walk me through everything step-by-step from your point of view, like I am stupid.
Okay, you shouldn't read mastina as town by role alone, which is endorsed by my ability, proving she lied about said role.

Further proof lies in Varsoon's SU2 mafia.

Both my role and my past experience prove she is more likely to be scum than she is to be town and that you should read her by play; and what aspect of her play is town?

^My POV in a nutshell


***All that being said, I don't really think we should flip Joan today, and I'm not even sure she's a top scumread.

But I don't see why we should act like her alignment is not in question or that she is simply tunneled town that we have to play around. She hides behind crap meta arguments and ridiculous tunnels as scum. I know that game she was being coached by mastina, but there is no reason she would not have simply picked up on mastina's coaching and tried to apply it on her own terms.

I'm just saying, trying to shut down discussion on this slot isn't healthy given I still have concerns, even if she's more a PoE 'can be scum if needed' than a scumread right now.

Also I think I just want to have this wallpost handy so that I have it ready to go every time Steven Universe 2 comes up, because given she will put nonstop emphasis on that game in particular as a reason to avoid giving reads as scum, I don't see how that's so different than her play here. So if she wants it to be relevant, she needs to cite specific posts or concepts that shape her read, not just "read this entire game that happened ages ago."
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Post Post #3917 (isolation #196) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:06 am

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Chito: I'm also okay expanding that every time you say to just ignore Joan. We have no mechanical clear on Joan and I'm not ignoring that slot just because you think she is too hostile to you to be scum.
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Post Post #3922 (isolation #197) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:11 am

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Chito: I am not a telepath and you have other reasons you have not said, then no, I don't know them and won't be taking the things you didn't say into account when considering my read.
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Post Post #3927 (isolation #198) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:28 am

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Chito: Yeah, but I'm not seeing posts there that look like in Steven Universe, which is one of the posts that bugs me in particular. So you're saying right now looks more like "mastina can have strong reads" not that "mastina is confidently outside her scum range" which is the argument everyone else is having. Near is not arguing that mastina has bad reads as town, he is arguing she is scum. So you are refuting an argument he isn't even making, as far as I can tell.

In that game, mastina simply updates her reads list a lot, but she doesn't make these long wallposts over-analyzing every movement of her reads list.

I'd still prefer to flip Gamma first but I'm not like, shocked that mastina is being scumread here, and I think that you trying to browbeat people with death threats is needless and distracting AtE. If you think she's town, say the thought processes that you think can only come from town mastina, don't go "if she flips town then I will murder you!" because that is just not an interesting argument.

Like, I'm not in love with scum mastina here, but threatening people about reads is not making this game more interesting or enjoyable to play. And it's not convincing me that you are attempting to take a fresh playstyle this game which makes me wonder whether your complaints about your main being outed aren't possibly in bad faith.
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Post Post #3953 (isolation #199) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:36 am

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Chito: Not really opposed to a mass flavor claim. Joan has heavily implied, a50 has claimed to half the list, we're already almost a third of the way there given how some people have heavily implied their flavor.
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