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Love 'em and Leave 'em

1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Temporary Lover

1 Town Temporary Lover
1 Couple's Counselor
8 VT

Temporary lovers have a compulsive action during the confirmation stage and each night where they must target a player. Until they successfully target another player, they are lovers with that player. Neither player is notified if the action is successful.

Couple's Counselor is a Jailkeeper, but if they target a player with a lover, they also target that player's lover.

Night action resolution is Jailkeeper, Lovers, NK.

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Do dead players show up in the parole list? Say someone is made a parolee and shot by the vig at the same time, are they then put on the parole list?

Additionally, say Player A is targeted by the town parole officer and performs the kill in the same nightphase. Does the player show up as guilty?

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Eh. I think it's more relevant to note that if two players are put on parole, one is almost certainly town. I'd probably avoid adding anyone as the scum parole officer for that reason, especially because if the vig is put on parole the mechanic becomes useless until the vig dies, so it's not particularly damning anyway. Additionally, as scum I'd consider having someone on parole kill after there're a few names on the list to make people think that all scum are on parole. Basically, it seems like it's a bunch of extra information, but it boils down to WIFOM. I kinda like that it can be an unreliable tracker if parole happens before kill though.

I think the optimal strategy there is to always lynch from within the council, yeah.

Yes. Not only do you have a 25% chance instead of a 16.7% chance of hitting scum, if you hit scum early it conftowns the remaining players AND you don't have to worry about outing your power by running them up until you find the mafia councilor. D1 Mafia councilor lynch means a D2 with 3 confirmed town. D1 Town councilor lynch means the vig shoots. You have a roughly 58% chance of a mafia flip before D2 and a 100% chance of a mafia flip before D3. So in the second best case for scum it works out to be the same as 2v9 with two days of associations. Mafia is obviously in a better position if they hit the vig N1, but that's not a very likely outcome. Honestly, I think a smaller player pool would make the game more interesting.

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That doesn't work. After the Mafia Councillor dies the mafia just shoots the remaining Councillors for three extra kills. Maybe if you have it be every time a Town councillor is lynched, in which case you leave the Councillors to the vig, but balance via extra kills is very iffy.

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I kinda prefer the WIFOM of letting scum choose the lovers, but it's probably a little bit scum siding. True love (And I think your numbers by extrapolation, but I'm not checking atm) is exactly 50% EV, so you might need to add something to town to make up for it/further distinguish the setup.

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I very much doubt that's scumsided. If a member of a pair flips scum, the other member is conftown, so you have a 1/4 chance of an IC that can't be dealt with after the first lynch. I have a feeling that the observed winrate will be a bit above EV as well.

Also, you might want to put something in the setup about ending it early if a town win is inevitable (two scum lynches whose partners are living and town has 2 confirmed players to scum's remaining one.)

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I very much doubt that's scumsided. If a member of a pair flips scum, the other member is conftown, so you have a 1/4 chance of an IC that can't be dealt with after the first lynch. I have a feeling that the observed winrate will be a bit above EV as well.

Also, you might want to put something in the setup about ending it early if a town win is inevitable (two scum lynches whose partners are living and town has 2 confirmed players to scum's remaining one.)

The setup isn't nightless, and scum have a nightkill starting night 1. So the setup will become 3:8 mountainous, modulo the additional information. Scum will likely kill any conftown.

Oh. I misunderstood then.

Each day before lynching town must vote on an arbitrary sized set of players to be sent to party B instead of party A

Is the set made public? Like, I get that if it's a majority it's obvious, but do you tell the players what the randomly chosen group is if no majority is reached?

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Hmm... What happens when a person is lynched? Does the ring shrink or is that person's guidee vanilla?

And how is the pairing determined? Is it forced to be one circle or can two separate loops form?

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Hmm... What happens when a person is lynched? Does the ring shrink or is that person's guidee vanilla?

And how is the pairing determined? Is it forced to be one circle or can two separate loops form?

The pairings only occur once pre-game. So if someone is lynched their guidee becomes vanilla. They won't know though because that information wouldn't be revealed in the flip. It is possible therefore for scum to effectively have no nightkill depending on who dies when. Balance wise I think it shouldn't be a big deal given the high number of scum. If I come up with a more elegant approach I'll change this though.

I'm not sure I understand the 2nd question. But the guide pairing is independent from the guidee pairing. A player could have two different players or the same player. In other words player A guides player B. Player B may guide player A or may guide player C. You just can't have:
-mafia guiding mafia
-one player guiding two players
-two players guiding the same player

I'm sure someone smarter than me has a better way of randomizing it but the easiest way I came up with is to randomize the playerlist normally, then number them 1-12, where players 1-4 are scum and then you pair 1 with 12, 2 with 11 etc. That's one pairing. Then randomize just the townies (no. 5-12), re-number them, and pair the whole list again the same way.

First, you only have to pair once. If Player A guides Player B, Player B is guided by player A. Second, you already answered the question by saying the same person could be guide and guidee of another player, but my question was whether you were forcing a complete loop, such that if you travel from guide to guidee from one player you go through every player before reaching your starting point.

I feel like massclaiming guidee's D1 and then never targetting is probably the highest EV for the setup because it's mountainous nightless with a bunch of impossible pairs. I think you should consider leaving the option of mafia pairing as a chance so that you can't confirm town with a scumlynch.

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Say I have 6 players, A B C D E F G.

A Guides B
B Guides E
C Guides A
D Guides F
E Guides C
F Guides D

I don't have to randomize again because the Guidee's are controlled by who is guiding them. C, for example, is guided by E, so C is Guidee to E. Also, you can fully randomize the setup with 2 list randomizations.

First randomization is numbered 1-12. 1-4 are scum. Second randomization #1 is removed from the list. The first four town names are guided by 1-4. The other seven names are assigned in order, but if a player would be assigned to themselves they are instead assigned to the next person in line. Player one is guided by the last person out. This gives a slightly > chance for a player to be assigned the player after them in the list, but not enough of one to be significant and the list wouldn't be published to abuse anyway.

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Romeo, Romeo, Romeo, Romeo Jeff looks balanced btw, and I'd definitely like to see it played. Perhaps during the marathons.

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Giving RC's some thought I think it's probably scumsided. The mechanic feels ~tracker. Similarly to a tracker, the results aren't conclusive for innocents until you've lynched all but one scum. There is very little potential for early guilties. There is no conftown power role. There IS a high potential for late game revelations that turn the early information into useful info.

Seems like it'd be crazy complicated to calculate EV though.

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Hmm...

First, it's unclear, but I assume each guesser can only guess once.

Second, I wonder what forcing scummy players to make a guess in the thread does to confirm them as not Mafia Head. You could probably guarantee a D1 scumlynch.

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I'm opposed to modkills as a balancing agent. You could make it so that guesses are submitted via PM and a valid guess is published by the mod and not have to deal with modkills being in the setup rules.

I think modifying the wilderness is preferable than a hail mary, but that's just me. You could also make Wilderness lynch an N-M threshhold, where N is the number of players and M is the number of living mafia.

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Um... Doesn't that have an 83% town win rate?

2/7+5/7*1/3+5/7*2/3*2/5

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that's okay, some people are incorrect about things sometimes!

Yes. Subtraction is hard.

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14 players:
1 Mafia Head
2 Mafia Goons
1 Town Headhunter
8 Vanilla Townies

I just noticed that 1+1+2+8 is 12.

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I think that just having the two mafia and a town still be capable of scum bussing means you can leave alignment reveals as public. The others on a mafia flip aren't necessarily town anymore, and there's definitely an advantage to be gained from bussing.

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Collected all the setups in the thread. I'll probably try to keep this updated, and presumably if we're saying one submission per person the last one is the submission. I did standardize formatting into spoilers.

Current Submissions

Spoiler: Recruitment

3 Mafia

9 town

2 Mafia Lovers

8 Vanilla Townies

2 Applicants

Mafia have daytalk. One of the applicants is Town, the other one is Mafia. The names of the applicants are known to the Mafia. Only the lovers and a recruited Mafia Associate can kill. At night, the Mafia can, if the majority agrees(so all of them) pick an applicant to recruit the next day. If the Mafia Lovers get lynched without recruiting the Mafia applicant the applicant is endgamed. Picking the Town applicant endgames Mafia. The applicants do not flip their alignment(it is secret) but instead flip as applicant.

Spoiler: Love 'em and Leave 'em

1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Temporary Lover

1 Town Temporary Lover
1 Couple's Counselor
8 VT

Temporary lovers have a compulsive action during the confirmation stage and each night where they must target a player. Until they successfully target another player, they are lovers with that player. Neither player is notified if the action is successful.

Couple's Counselor is a Jailkeeper, but if they target a player with a lover, they also target that player's lover.

Night action resolution is Jailkeeper, Lovers, NK.

Spoiler: City Council V3

16 Players

2 Mafia Goons

1 Mafia City Councillor

3 Town City Councillors

1 Town Sergeant-at-Arms

9 Vanilla Townies

All players are told who the city councillors are, but not their alignments. The city council gets a separate thread that only they can post in, but it is viewable by all players. The Sergeant-at-Arms has a nightkill, but may only shoot councillors.

Every time a Town City Councillor is lynched, scum gets an extra nightkill the next night as long as the Mafia City Councillor is still alive.

Spoiler: Rivalries

9 Town Rivals

3 Mafia Rivals

Rivals are paired; there are 3 town-town pairs and 3 town-mafia pairs (mafia are always paired with town). Pairs are each given a private topic.

On day one, instead of voting normally, rivalry pairs will be announced publicly and the town must vote to exonerate a member of each pair. Each townie gets six votes, one to be used on each pair. If a member of any pair reaches 7 votes, that member is exonerated and no more votes can be placed on members of that pair.

If all six exonerated players are town, a town victory is declared. Otherwise, the game becomes a normal mountainous game going into night one with all twelve players alive.

Optional variant (1): mafia choose who their rivals are in pregame, with the remaining players being paired together randomly.
Optional variant (2): when signing up, players are allowed to select rivals, with scumteams being randomized from among those possible when the game starts.

Spoiler: House Party

3 mafia goons
11 vanilla townies

Each day before lynching town must vote on an arbitrary sized set of players to be sent to party B instead of party A

If there is no majority it will be randed, however parties included by multiple players grow in odds more than linearly: 1 vote is one chit, 2 votes becomes 3 votes becomes 9 chits

If a scum kill requires the player to cross party lines they will be publicly confirmed as scum.

Spoiler: Guidance

4 Mafia Goons (compulsive NK)
8 Town Co-Jailkeeper (compulsive)

Before the game starts the mod will randomly split the players into pairs in a way that satisfies the following conditions:
- Mafia cannot be paired with other mafia
- Each player must be paired with exactly one other player.

This is done twice, first time to assign each player's guide, and the second time to assign each player's guidee. So each player will dictate the targets of another player and have a player who will dictate their own targets. The guide/guidee may or may not be the same person.

In each player's role PM they will be told who their guidee is, but not who is guiding their own actions.

A guide chooses a target for their guidee's night action. This includes both the town's jailkeeping ability and the mafia's factional kill (if the goon being guided is the one performing the kill).

Choosing a target for your guidee is optional. If any action is attempted without being guided by another player the action will fail.

Players whose action has failed either through jailkeeping or by having no guide are not told that their action has failed.

The act of choosing a target for your guidee is never blocked.

Mafia have daytalk.

Spoiler: Romeo, Romeo (Romeo, Romeo, Romeo, Mercutio)

3 goons

8 vts

1 Mercutio

Nightless.
Pre-game, Mafia put all players in lover pairs, which are then announced at the start of D1.
Mafia win by achieving parity
When Mercutio dies, he may un-pair two other lovers. Once per game, any time before this happens, scum may guess Mercutio’s identity in their PT, and if they guess correctly he becomes a vt.

Spoiler: three strikes

2 Mafia Lovers
1 Town Innocent Child
7 Vanilla Townies

Nightless. Town win if a Mafia member is lynched. Mafia win if they are both alive at the start of Day 4.

Spoiler: The Wilderness

14 players:

1 Mafia Head

2 Mafia Goons

1 Town Headhunter

10 Vanilla Townies

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• This game features
  The Wilderness
  .
  • All players may discuss and privately vote during the day phase. Votes are messaged privately to the moderator.
    
  • At deadline, the player who receives the most votes is lynched. In the case of a tie, the player to have reached that number of votes first is lynched.
    
  • Once all votes have been placed, any who recieved at least one vote and is not the lynchee is moved into
    The Wilderness
    , a Private Topic where all members may talk amongst themselves, for the night.
    
  • There are various things players may do in
    The Wilderness
    • Players may
      talk
      amongst themselves as much as they please.
      
    • All players within
      The Wilderness
      are participating in a game of
      "Ready, Aim, Fire!"
      that resolves upon the end of the night phase. They must privately submit one of the following actions:
      • Shoot PLAYER
        - Assuming the player is not protected or shoots themselves, the player dies.
        
      • Shoot SELF
        - If any amount of players shoot you, they die. If no one shoots you, you die.
    • Any invalid action will be switched to
      Shoot SELF
      .
      
    • Any shot player is killed and flips upon the start of the day phase.
      
    • The Wilderness
      is locked and is not to be used again. A new one is made for each night.
• The
  Headhunter
  is an alternate win condition for the Town.
  • During the day, the
    Headhunter
    may privately message the moderator to guess the identity of the
    Mafia Head.
    If he is correct, town immediately win.
    
  • During the day, the
    Mafia Head
    may privately message the moderator to guess the identity of the
    Headhunter
    If he is correct, the
    Headhunter
    dies, and the
    Mafia Head
    becomes
    Deathproof
    .
    • Once
      Deathproof
      , the
      Mafia Head
      may still be voted into
      The Wilderness.
      
      
    • Once
      Deathproof
      , the Mafia win condition becomes White Flag.
  • The
    Mafia Head
    cannot
    Shoot SELF
    .
    
  • If the
    Headhunter
    shoots the
    Mafia Head
    in the
    The Wilderness
    and he dies, town immediately win.
    
  • Once a guess is made, the other Role may not guess.
    
  • If the guess is incorrect, the Mod posts in thread
    "An incorrect guess was made,"
    and the game continues.
• Mafia do not have a nightkill.
  
• If going into the night phase, all remaining town players are in
  The Wilderness
  , the game ends in a Mafia victory.
  
• Town win if all Mafia are eliminated or one of the other Town win conditions are met.
  
• Mafia win if they equal or exceed the number of remaining Town going into the dayphase or one of the other Town win conditions are met

Spoiler: The Boardroom 3: Shredded Documents

6 Townies

2 Mafia Goons

Daytalk
Nightless
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During the day, one player is elected to go into the boardroom by majority vote. The elected player chooses two others to bring with him.

The game enters night phase for 2 IRL days and the thread is locked. During the night, the three players in the boardroom go into a private topic and participate in a 3-way vote and whoever gets 2 votes is lynched. If they don't reach a conclusion within 2 days, the mafia privately choose one of them to be lynched.

The alignment of the lynched player is only revealed to the player who cast the second vote.

To keep the timers flowing smoothly, this could be done any time during the night. The survivors return to the game after the timer is up, and it is announced which player was lynched

without an alignment flip

, and the next day begins.

If two mafia and one townie enter the boardroom, the townie is automatically lynched without any discussion and the night phase still lasts 2 days.

Spoiler: Three Pods

3 Mafia Day 1 Lover, Pod recruiter
7 Vanilla Townie

On Day 1, if Mafia is lynched, Town wins

Otherwise, on Night 1, each Mafia recruits two townies into their pod. Two Mafia cannot recruit the same townie into their pods, so all 6 townies will be distributed among 3 Pods.

On Day 2, the thread is locked, and it's announced who is in which Pod. Each Pod will have a PT, and the alignments of everyone outside that Pod will be revealed in that Pod. Then, in each Pod, the players choose who to lynch, just like in 3p LyLo, so Day 2 is like 3 simultaneous LyLos, hidden from each other.
Town wins if they "win" a majority of LyLos, i.e. lynch at least 2/3 scum, and Mafia win if town doesn't win by then.

Spoiler: The Representative

20 players; 6 scum, 14 town. These are arranged by the moderator into 4 groups of 5 players each; one group contains 3 scum, one contains 2 scum, one contains 1 scum, one contains 0 scum. Which players share a group with which other players is public information, chosen either during signups or during role randomization, but the number of scum in each group is not told to the town (i.e. the moderator randomly chooses which group is the 3-scum group, which is the 2-scum group, and so on).

Scum can privately communicate with each other at any time; there are no nightkills. The groups have neighbourhood functionality, with players able to talk with other members of their group via a Private Topic for the group, but only during Private phases.

The game alternates between Private phases (where it starts) and Public phases. During a Private phase, the main game thread is locked, each group elects a "representative" for the group via voting. This is compulsive; due to the potential for ties when groups can be scum-dominated, scum may specify in advance of the deadline how they wish any ties they're involved in to be broken, and if a tie happens entirely among town or scum fail to specify a tiebreak before deadline, the moderator breaks the tie secretly at random.

During a Public phase, the neighbourhoods are locked, and the identity of each group's representative is made public. Only these representatives may talk in the main game thread (although they can certainly read through their locked private topics to find points that they want the rest of their group to say). As usual, posts from the private topic cannot be posted directly in the public thread, only paraphrased.

The representatives can talk among themselves in the public game thread, and vote for an entire group to eliminate (this is compulsive, with scum able to break ties they're involved in, just as with the private discussions earlier). Once a group has been chosen, then every player in that group is eliminated; all the representatives are also eliminated, taking no further part in the game. (So at the end of Public Phase 1, eight players will be eliminated; the four representatives, plus the other four players in the eliminated group). The eliminated players all flip, but in different locations: an eliminated representative flips only in their group's private topic (without the flip being posted publicly), and a player from an eliminated group (other than the representative) flips publicly in the main game thread. (This means in turn that the representative of the eliminated group doesn't flip in a useful way at all, with only eliminated players being able to see it.)

This process repeats for six phases total, except that in Private Phase 3, each group elects two representatives rather than one (so Public Phase 3 has four players posting, not two). This means that 8 players are eliminated in Public Phase 1, 6 players in Public Phase 2, and 5 players in Public Phase 3. At this point, there will only be one player left remaining; that player's faction wins. (The game can be called early if one faction is mathematically incapable of winning, e.g. if both non-representative players in Public Phase 3 have the same alignment.)

Spoiler: Face Eaters

3 Face Eaters
1 Town Patroller
1 Town Widow
1 Town Face Recognizer
1 Town Dentist
1 Town Janitor
1 Town Make-up Artist
1 Town Stomach Pumper
1 Town Vengeful Face Licker
1 Town Face Psychiatrist

(12 players)

Face Eaters can communicate during the Night, but they do not have a factional kill. Instead, every Face Eater can target any number of town-aligned players, alive or dead, to guess their starting roles. Face Eaters can't target the same player simultaneously, and the faces of the targeted players must still be intact. If all guesses by all Face Eaters are correct, the Face Eaters independently devour the faces of the players they targeted, killing them and gaining their starting abilities. If any Face Eater makes an incorrect guess, nothing happens. By default, players flip with their starting role name. Players killed by face removal just flip as Town. The consumption of dead players' faces is silent and does not trigger an additional flip.

The Patroller targets two living players, learning whether their first target targeted their second target in the same Night.

The Widow can visit a living player and a dead player every Night to determine whether the former targeted the latter in the same Night.

The Face Recognizer can target another living player to guess their starting role. The guessed role has to be town role. The result is "Correct" or "Incorrect".

From Night 2 onward, the Dentist can target a living player and a dead player to determine whether the former ate the latter's face in a previous Night.

Every Night, the Janitor may target at most nine living players to guess their starting roles. All guesses must be for unique town roles. If the role of the lynched player was correctly guessed by the Janitor on the Night before, the player just flips as Town.

The Make-up Artist can give a living player a make-over. To do so, the Make-up Artist must guess the player's real role and specify their apparent role. If the guess is correct, the targeted player will flip as the specified role when lynched or vengekilled. Because the make-over occurs in the dark while the target is sleeping, the target is unaware of it and the Make-up Artist receives no indication of its success. This overrides the Janitor's ability.

The Stomach Pumper can target a living player. If the target is a Face Eater, they lose all abilities gained from other players, as well as any abilities they would have gained that Night.

The Vengeful Face Licker can target another player during the Night. That player is informed their face is licked. When lynched, the Vengeful Face Licker can kill one player with a licked face (a Face Eater with this ability is informed of all licked living players when lynched).

The Face Psychiatrist can target another player to determine whether they have face-related frustrations. A Face Eater has face-related frustrations if they have never successfully eaten a face and they are not in the process of successfully eating a face.

Lynches are compulsive. Face Eaters can use all of their abilities in one Night.

Spoiler: Tough on Crime

14 players:

1 Mafia Parole Officer

1 Mafia Jailkeeper

1 Mafia Goon

1 Town Parole Officer

1 Town Vigilante

1 Town Tracker

8 Vanilla Townies

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• Each day, in addition to voting for a lynch, the town may vote to place someone "on parole".
  • The list of players who are on parole is always public.
    
  • Parole does not expire.
    
  • If a player who is on parole commits a kill during the night, it will be made publicly known that someone violated parole, but not exactly whom.
• Parole officers may target someone during the night to place them on parole, resolving
  before
  any kills are made. Thus, if anyone commits a kill the same night they are targeted to be placed on parole, the parole notice will be raised. The updated list is made public at the start of each day.
  
• The Mafia may not perform an action and perform the nightkill in the same night.

Previous Submissions

Spoiler: Tough on Crime

14 players:

1 Mafia Parole Officer

1 Mafia Jailkeeper

1 Mafia Goon

1 Town Parole Officer

1 Town Vigilante

1 Town Tracker

8 Vanilla Townies

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• Each day, in addition to voting for a lynch, the town may vote to place someone "on parole".
  • The list of players who are on parole is always public.
    
  • If a player who is on parole commits a kill during the night, it will be made publicly known that someone violated parole, but not exactly whom.
• Parole officers may target someone to place them on parole during the night, resolving after any kills are made.

Spoiler: City Council

16 Players

2 Mafia Goons

1 Mafia City Councillor

3 Town City Councillors

1 Town Sergeant-at-Arms

9 Vanilla Townies

All players are told who the city councillors are, but not their alignments. The city council gets a separate thread that only they can post in, but it is viewable by all players. The Sergeant-at-Arms has a nightkill, but may only shoot councillors.

Spoiler: I Want To Talk About It

12 players in 6 lover pairs
3 scum, 9 town
Mafia chooses pairs pre-game, and then the pairs are announced
Nightless

Spoiler: City Council V2

16 Players

2 Mafia Goons

1 Mafia City Councillor

3 Town City Councillors

1 Town Sergeant-at-Arms

9 Vanilla Townies

All players are told who the city councillors are, but not their alignments. The city council gets a separate thread that only they can post in, but it is viewable by all players. The Sergeant-at-Arms has a nightkill, but may only shoot councillors.

Every time a Town City Councillor dies, scum gets an extra nightkill the next night.

Spoiler: The Councillors

2 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Traitor Councillor
8 Vanilla Townies
3 Town Councillors

The traitor and Goons know each other, but don't share a PT. If both goons die, the traitor inherits the Nightkill.

The councillors together form the Council. They all share a PT. Furthermore, they all control an extra vote listed on the VC as "Council", controlled by majority vote in the Council PT.

Scum must kill all townies to win, not just obtain majority. 1 Goon vs 1 Town Councillor is a town win because the goon has only one vote but the Councillor has two votes: their own, and the Council vote which is in full control of the town councillor.

Spoiler: The Wilderness

14 players:

1 Mafia Head

2 Mafia Goons

1 Town Headhunter

8 Vanilla Townies

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• There is no lynch during the day phase, instead this game features
  The Wilderness
  .
  • All players may discuss and vote during the day phase.
    
  • Once all votes have been placed, all players who were voted for are moved into
    The Wilderness
    , a Private Topic where all members may talk amongst themselves, for the night.
    
  • There are various things players may do in
    The Wilderness
    • Players may
      talk
      amongst themselves as much as they please.
      
    • If there is a unanimous
      vote
      on a player in the Wilderness (excluding the player being voted), that player is lynched at the end of the night phase.
      
    • All players within
      The Wilderness
      are participating in a game of
      "Ready, Aim, Fire!"
      that resolves upon the end of the night phase. They must privately submit one of the following actions:
      • Shoot PLAYER
        - Assuming the player is not protected or shoots themselves, the player dies.
        
      • Shoot SELF
        - If any amount of players shoot you, they die. If no one shoots you, you die.
        
      • Shoot SKY
        - Do nothing.
        
      • Protect PLAYER
        - If that player is shot by anyone excluding themselves, you will die instead.
        • If two players protect each other, both protection fails.
    • A lynched player does not participate in the game of
      "Ready, Aim, Fire!"
      Any actions targeting them will be considered invalid and changed to
      Shoot SKY
      .
      
    • Any shot player is killed and flips upon the start of the day phase.
      
    • The Wilderness
      is locked and is not to be used again. A new one is made for each night.
• The
  Headhunter
  is an alternate win condition for the Town.
  • At any time, when able, the
    Headhunter
    may publicly guess the identity of the
    Mafia Head.
    If he is correct, town immediately win.
    
  • At any time, when able, the
    Mafia Head
    may publicly guess the identity of the
    Headhunter
    If he is correct, the
    Headhunter
    dies, and the
    Mafia Head
    becomes
    Deathproof
    .
    • Once
      Deathproof
      , the
      Mafia Head
      may choose to "No Vote" during the day. He may still be voted into
      The Wilderness.
      
      
    • Once
      Deathproof
      , the Mafia win condition becomes White Flag.
      
    • Once
      Deathproof
      , Mafia gain an additional nightkill during the next possible night. This only lasts for that night.
  • If the
    Headhunter
    shoots the
    Mafia Head
    in the
    The Wilderness
    , town immediately win.
    
  • Once a guess is made, the other Role may not guess.
    
  • If the guess is incorrect, the Mod responds to the guess with a simple
    "Incorrect,"
    and the game continues.
• During the night, Mafia may select someone who is
  NOT
  in
  The Wilderness
  to die. Players within
  The Wilderness
  may not be targeted with the Mafia's nightkill.
  
• If going into the night phase, all remaining town players are in
  The Wilderness
  , the game ends in a Mafia victory.
  
• Town win if all Mafia are eliminated or one of the other Town win conditions are met.
  
• Mafia win if they equal or exceed the number of remaining Town going into the dayphase or one of the other Town win conditions are met

Spoiler: The Boardroom

6 Townies

2 Mafia Goons

Daytalk
Nightless

During the day, one player is elected to go into the boardroom by majority vote. The elected player chooses two others to bring with him.

The game enters night phase for 2 IRL days and the thread is locked. During the night, the three players in the boardroom go into a private topic and participate in a 3-way vote and whoever gets 2 votes is lynched. If they don't reach a conclusion within 2 days, the mafia privately choose one of them to be lynched. To keep the timers flowing smoothly, this could be done any time during the night. The survivors return to the game after the timer is up, and it is announced which player was lynched, and the next day begins.

If two mafia and one townie enter the boardroom, the townie is automatically lynched without any discussion and the night phase still lasts 2 days.

Spoiler: The Boardroom 2: Corporate Secrets

6 Townies

2 Mafia Goons

Daytalk
Nightless
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During the day, one player is elected to go into the boardroom by majority vote. The elected player chooses two others to bring with him.

The game enters night phase for 2 IRL days and the thread is locked. During the night, the three players in the boardroom go into a private topic and participate in a 3-way vote and whoever gets 2 votes is lynched. If they don't reach a conclusion within 2 days, the mafia privately choose one of them to be lynched.

The alignment of the lynched player is only revealed in the boardroom private topic.

To keep the timers flowing smoothly, this could be done any time during the night. The survivors return to the game after the timer is up, and it is announced which player was lynched

without an alignment flip

, and the next day begins.

If two mafia and one townie enter the boardroom, the townie is automatically lynched without any discussion and the night phase still lasts 2 days.

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I might be missing something but what is the associative group?

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Cool setup though.

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I think the way to play it as town is to never claim roles. Janitor/Licker holster, and everyone else looks for guilties or innos. Scum is then incentivized to only guess one role per night while eating corpses because two guesses cuts their information drastically.

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Hmm. Guessing that scum will choose to put one member in each group of three, you get a 1/4 chance of lynching scum D1, and no chance of lynching the stronger power roles.

What do you mean making the failures independent?

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I wasn't saying the 25% was inherently good or bad, just talking to myself mostly.

You also have the advantage of the day one lynch being on either scum or a powerrole you're not concerned about losing.

A thought occurs: Scum A and Scum B both target Player C and guess Player C's role correctly. Who get's the power? What if A also guesses D's role and B also guesses E's role?

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Bump to reminder that tomorrow is the submission deadline.

Do we know how the voting is gonna work this month?

I honestly don't see why we can't do it publicly. Winning doesn't have a prize and public feedback should mean a better idea of the kind of setups people like, which should increase quality in future months.

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Kay, I'm gonna vote and put thoughts on the setups now. If we decide against public voting just assume I've changed all of my opinions. Also, I'm leaving mine out.

In order from favorite to least favorite:

Tough on Crime - I ran this during marathon with nsg's help. It was awesome.

Rivalries - I want to play this. If it doesn't win, I'll probably run it at some point.

Romeo, Romeo (Romeo, Romeo, Romeo, Mercutio) - I like the idea of Mafia choosing the lover pairs. Honestly, I'm not sure Mercutio is as important to the setup as anything other than a named townie, but the discussions of who would choose who as their partner seems interesting to me.

House Party - I'm a fan of leaving power in the hands of the majority instead of having power roles, especially in opens.

Three Pods - I'm signed up to play a similar game run by BNL in the micro queue.

three strikes - Seems like an interesting setup for people who like dayplay heavy games. Not my cup of tea, but I'm not necessarily the target audience.

The Representative - I want to dislike this because it seems overly complicated, but looking at it I feel like it deserves to be run to see how things actually pan out. I think honestly the complication is more in the description than the running. I will say that I'm reluctant to endorse a setup where the lynch is decided by players who are basically already dead.

The Wilderness - I like it, but honestly I think it might be a little too complicated for an open.

City Council V3 - Probably balanced, but not a big fan of having a separate pool for vig shots mechanically built in. I'd play it with the right playerlist though.

The Boardroom 3: Shredded Documents - I'm not a fan. Seems complicated, redacted flips, and I don't really like the idea of a lynch-in-private mechanic.

Guidance - As written, I think it's probably unbalanced. With that said, I know Buj has been working on a revision, and I think the setup has promise. I'm just not sure that the setup is ready as is.

Recruitment - Bigger than I'd prefer and I'm not a huge fan of redacted flips.

Face Eaters - I'm putting this at the bottom because it technically doesn't meet the requirements.

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Adding my own:

Tough on Crime - I ran this during marathon with nsg's help. It was awesome.

Rivalries - I want to play this. If it doesn't win, I'll probably run it at some point.

Love Em and Leave Em.

Romeo, Romeo (Romeo, Romeo, Romeo, Mercutio) - I like the idea of Mafia choosing the lover pairs. Honestly, I'm not sure Mercutio is as important to the setup as anything other than a named townie, but the discussions of who would choose who as their partner seems interesting to me.

House Party - I'm a fan of leaving power in the hands of the majority instead of having power roles, especially in opens.

Three Pods - I'm signed up to play a similar game run by BNL in the micro queue.

three strikes - Seems like an interesting setup for people who like dayplay heavy games. Not my cup of tea, but I'm not necessarily the target audience.

The Representative - I want to dislike this because it seems overly complicated, but looking at it I feel like it deserves to be run to see how things actually pan out. I think honestly the complication is more in the description than the running. I will say that I'm reluctant to endorse a setup where the lynch is decided by players who are basically already dead.

The Wilderness - I like it, but honestly I think it might be a little too complicated for an open.

City Council V3 - Probably balanced, but not a big fan of having a separate pool for vig shots mechanically built in. I'd play it with the right playerlist though.

The Boardroom 3: Shredded Documents - I'm not a fan. Seems complicated, redacted flips, and I don't really like the idea of a lynch-in-private mechanic.

Guidance - As written, I think it's probably unbalanced. With that said, I know Buj has been working on a revision, and I think the setup has promise. I'm just not sure that the setup is ready as is.

Recruitment - Bigger than I'd prefer and I'm not a huge fan of redacted flips.

Face Eaters - I'm putting this at the bottom because it technically doesn't meet the requirements.

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Yeah just pretend I submitted boardroom 2 - 3 isn't quite right

Probably wouldn't change my position, tbh. :shrug:

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More to the point, even if someone did check they probably wouldn't bother pointing it out.