Micro 845: The Room Odds - Game Over

[Plotinus]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Since the rooms stay open for the whole game, it is optimal to create as many as possible. We should do one batch of 4 rooms now, then another batch of 4 rooms when the post restrictions expire, and then a final room when those post restrictions expire.

Get a room: Plotinus, tris

[Plotinus]

You want all of them 2 people?

oh, I forgot we can have more than 2 in a room. I've modded it both ways before. Maybe 2:2:2:3 then. The dynamic's a little different with bigger rooms but it can work.

[Plotinus]

Okay, so our room is hammered. Who else wants a room?

[Plotinus]

get a room: Ruby and clemency

Get a Room

Ruby Red, Clemency (3): Ruby Red, Clemency, Plotinus

(R-0)

Not Voting (9): Dunnstral, tris, Plotinus, Clemency, Gamma Emerald, Persivul, Ruby Red, Something_Smart, Flavor Leaf

It takes 2n-1 votes to get a n player Room.

Ruby Red

and

Clemency

have gotten a Room.

[Plotinus]

now that that's hammered:

get a room: persival, gamma emerald, dunnstral

[Plotinus]

the 3 person room needs 5 votes, but yeah

[Plotinus]

How bout each of you get first dibs on the second batch of rooms this day phase, then? Who would you most want to be in a room with out of everybody here, Dunn?

The rooms are a tool. We should use all the tools we have available to us.

[Plotinus]

Since the rooms stay open for the whole game, it is optimal to create as many as possible.

Why is that optimal?

I've modded a bunch of games with this mechanic. It's optimal for town to have places to work together out of scum's eyes, and you can scumhunt people in private differently from you can scumhunt them in public.

With 4 rooms and everyone in a room, at least two of them and possibly 3 of them will be masonries. If the people in the masonries can figure out that they are in a masonry, synergy will ensue.

[Plotinus]

I'm not strongly against the room, it's just weird that we took this sudden change in approach. The previous rooms had people asking for them

I'd rather that people asked to be part of rooms, rather than assigning them for them. Also, do you not think that scum can pocket people inside of rooms?

I've played with your mechanic before (a long time ago) For the most part it worked out, but there was always a bit of paranoia, and people only got rooms with people they wanted to

who do you want to be in a room with? If you don't want to be in a room with Gamma and Persivul, that's perfectly understandable. Name some people you do want to be in a room with and then we can wait until their restrictions are over.

Sure, scum can pocket people, but so can town be aware of whether they are being pocketed. This mechanic favours whichever side is making the most of use of it

[Plotinus]

unget a room persivul dun gamma

I agree there is no point in you having a room that you don't want and won't use.

VOTE: Dunn

[Plotinus]

Because you didn't answer my question. Who in this game are you interested in working together with?

[Plotinus]

unget a room persivul dun gamma

I agree there is no point in you having a room that you don't want and won't use.

VOTE: Dunn

Because you didn't answer my question. Who in this game are you interested in working together with?

really bad vote

i tr dunn pretty strongly and not answering that essentially rsq is not scum-indicative

It wasn't an rsq. At that point, all dunn had done was whine about rooms, so I asked him what he *wanted* instead. It's easy to be reactive and just shoot down any plan that comes along and talk about what you don't want, it's harder to come up with your own plan or to actually scumhunt. But instead of answering my question, he backpedalled and spread paranoia about the rooms

Talk to me about your townread on Dunn. What are you seeing that I'm not seeing?

[Plotinus]

It’s 5 rooms per day, not 4. So it’s 2.

OK, he was thinking only 2-person rooms at that time, so the final room was for the odd people out.

yeah.

It's a little bit easier mathematically if the leftover people from round one are in a room together, but it's possible for everybody to get 2 rooms day 1 even if you guys don't room with each other. It requires some coordination though, or in the second round of handing out rooms, it'll come up again that the leftovers might not want to room with each other.

I am excited about the opportunity to apply graph theory to this coordination problem but we could scumhunt instead.

[Plotinus]

Also, haven't heard from Dunnstral about what he didn't like about Flavor's entrance. Is it the same as what Persivul is saying, or anything different.

That he immediately started talking about how he was worried that he was being framed and pointing out how they're likely partners

Looks more like scum wifom than something to actually ponder about

Also ss/flavor leaf is a relatively high % chance team anyway, so that ties into the wifom again

I thought this too initially but I've liked everything from Flavor since then so I'm okay with it now.

[Plotinus]

Clemency, you've disappeared. What are your reads?

[Plotinus]

If there is anyone who is as excited about math as I am we can be roommates when we're eligible for a new room!

[Plotinus]

Flavor, Something_Smart, what are your reads on each other? What did you get out of your room discussions?

I have a townlean on tris because I liked the way she was questioning me in our room. Also I felt like her vote on me made some sense because initially I'd agreed with Dunn's early vote on Flavor and then changed my mind about both of them in public without explaining where I was coming from. She's a newer player but she didn't seem intimidated by the room. I think as scum she would've been less questioning of my townread on her or less suspicious of me.

Flavor, do you want a room with me? You're probably my strongest townread right now.

Alternatively we could each state who we'd be willing to be in a room with and then work out a grouping that lets everybody be happy with their options for a second room.

I would be happiest to room Flavor Leaf, but wouldn't mind a room with Ruby, Something_Smart or Gamma. I don't want a room with Persival, Clemency, or Dunnstral.

[Plotinus]

Clemency in 5 minutes I want to hear about how your discussion with Ruby Red went and what your read on them is.

What would help you get an anchor in this game?

[Plotinus]

Who do you want to room with next, Clemency? Is there anybody you wouldn't want to have a room with?

[Plotinus]

Clem, what do you think of Ruby?
Ruby, what do you think of Clem and also I'm still waiting to hear about your Dunn read.

[Plotinus]

Context: his post restriction had 5 minutes left to go when i posted that.

[Plotinus]

VOTE: Persivul

[Plotinus]

I'm townleaning my roommate. I'm aware that if I'm right about Persivul being scum then she has a 25.7% chance of being scum, but it's too early for that.

[Plotinus]

Get a room: Gamma Emerald, Clemency

Get a Room

Gamma Emerald, Clemency (3): Something_Smart, Clemency, Plotinus

(R-0)

Not Voting (6): Persivul, Ruby Red, Flavor Leaf, tris, Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral

It takes 2n-1 votes to get a n player Room.

Gamma Emerald

and

Clemency

have gotten a Room

[Plotinus]

@Flavor: I do, you're my first choice, but I'm also happy to room with Something Smart if someone else wants to room with you.

[Plotinus]

I’m of the mind the 3-man should be splitting out to find single partners and the leftovers from that should form another 3-man

So I agree with this in theory but since none of them are stepping up to proactively avoid being last man out again, I'm going to assume they just don't care that much.

Get a room Plotinus, Flavor Leaf

[Plotinus]

Ruby, talk to me about your townread on Dunnstral. I still don't understand it.

Get a room: Something Smart, Tris

Get a Room

Something_Smart, tris (3): Something_Smart, tris, Plotinus

(R-0)

Not Voting (6): Persivul, Ruby Red, Flavor Leaf, Clemency, Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral

It takes 2n-1 votes to get a n player Room.

Something_Smart

and

tris

have gotten a room

[Plotinus]

Ruby, are you opposed to explaining your townreads or what?

[Plotinus]

Get a Room: Plotinus, Flavour Leaf

Hook me up, guys. The way for town to win the game is to coordinate in private in as many rooms as possible. I've moderated this setup a bunch of times and this is the best way, trust me. The more rooms there are, the harder scum has to work to be on top of the game. If you're town and a bit overwhelmed by the rooms, paradoxically, more rooms will make it better; it's a bit awkward when you're not in enough of them.

We need to lynch Persivul guys, he's scum. I waited until I was sure and went after other people who were doing scummy things because I can read him pretty well, but I've been sure since I voted him.

Point 1: Across the games that I've moderated with this setup,

70% of scum players complained in public about rooms

. Town were usually enthusiastic about them or at least neutral, though a few townies struggled to keep up if they were in fewer rooms than most people.

Point 2:

Selective listening

: When Persivul is trying to smear somebody and it turns out that his point is false, he completely ignores this information. For example, in 178-183, he ignores the clarification that Clemency's post restriction was 5 minutes away from expiring when I made that comment, so what I and Clemency understood my comment to mean was "I don't expect an answer in the next five minutes, but when you're free to talk about, please tell me..." He also continues to act like it's scummy that I'm pushing rooms when I've clarified multiple times that having modded this setup gives me insight into what the best strategy for town is. He has to do this because he knows that rooms are making it harder for him to control the game as scum.

He's not trying to find out the truth, he's just trying to push his agenda.

Point 3:

Tone

. Persivul tends to use a different tone when he's town than when he's scum.

[Plotinus]

I actually went back and counted across the 5 games I'd modded, and 7 out of 10 scum players complained about them. (Additionally 2 of the scum players who didn't complain about them did exhibit another behaviour in their rooms that I won't mention unless it comes up.) I didn't go back and read all of the games thoroughly, and notably I didn't go back and carefully reread the town ISOs, so I can't tell you what percentage of town players complained about them, just that I remember it being a lot less than that.

So I can't tell you that "a person who complains about rooms is x% likely to be scum." -- that would require going back and carefully counting up the behaviour of the town players and doing a Bayesian analysis. I can tell you that I believe the result of such analysis would indicate that they are much more likely to be scum than town.

[Plotinus]

In case someone has more time than me and cares to make such an analysis, the games in question are:

Slavic Music I - town win
Slavic Music II - scum win
Fire and Ice - town win, and I'm just remembering that there was another scum team in that game (I previously only looked at the fire team). Okay so update the results to 8/12 scum players complain about them (75%) and 2/3 of the scum players exhibiting the behaviour in their rooms that I won't mention even though it is not hard to figure out if you ask yourself what a player who is not very good at being scum would do in a room.)
Fractals - town win
Boombox - scum win

[Plotinus]

*8/12 == 66%

[Plotinus]

Clemency, while you're here do you want to hammer my room with flavour?

[Plotinus]

thanks! <3

Ruby, Persivul, and Dunn are leftover but it sounds like they're not interested anyway.

[Plotinus]

I read the games and I think "I think your vote is lazy af" isn't particularly mean. I think Persivul's tone here is more like what I would expect for him as scum.

it's also skeeving me out a little that Persivul dropped that vote and then hasn't revisited since

I'm reading. Alisae told me and TTTT to vote and then let the grown-ups decide the outcome, so that's what I'm doing. Her attitude irritated me, as she isn't conftown. That was my admittedly passive-aggressive protest. Plus, work has been hectic today.

I of course would have addressed anything new, but let's face it - there hasn't been anything new. You're just having understandable difficulty pulling the trigger. You don't really have to. No lynch won't kill us. Ali thought it was scummy of me to say we should consider that. You don't here her complaining about the possibility of it now.

I'm here for awhile if you want to talk.

It's true that the games I was thinking of were older because I haven't played in a while and neither has Persivul. But off the top of my head, wifom city, friends and enemies, Evolution mafia, Mexican standoff. I'll be the first to admit that those games were a long time ago, and the difference isn't as pronounced between your latest two games, though I do think it's there. Maybe your last scum game wasn't as frustrating as this one.

It's not a matter of being snarky; I like a bit of snark as much anyone. Your snark has a little more barbed when you're scum. That's all.

[Plotinus]

It's true I've been ignoring your case on me. I wasn1t particularly interested in it.

VOTE: Plotinus

From the room, 3 days ago:

[Redacted - do not quote from PTs]

Not sure why I can't quote myself, but anyway:

I was asked what I thought of plot. To paraphrase, I said:

- His first post is bad. I get using rooms for a reason. But, just making rooms to make rooms eventually sows confusion, and that benefits scum.

Disagree.

- Then I noted that I didn't like the reason given for the dunn vote in 140 because:

- It's not unusual for people to talk about novel mechanics at the start of a game.
- In 141, plot then addresses me and doesn't show suspicion, when I had expressed the same thoughts about rooms as dunn did.

If I can read someone based on my experience with them, that trumps reading them based on their doing something that is genericly scummy, and targetting a bunch of people at the same time is a waste of energy. I do better with a narrow focus.

- Again in 141 - "I am excited about the opportunity to apply graph theory to this coordination problem but we could scumhunt instead." But at that point, plot had mostly been talking about mechanics and had done very little scum hunting.

It is very hard for me to pay attention to anything unless I can tie it to one of my current interests, and I am very excitable about mathematics.

Then in 143 - "Clemency, you've disappeared. What are your reads?" This struck me as plot thinking

Oh yeah, I haven't been scum hunting either, better throw some in

.

I've been checking the activity meter a lot because sometimes when I forget people exist, it's because they're scum.

I'm feeling better about Clemency lately though.

Is the scum team {pers, dunn, ruby}?

If not, you're using a stat disingenuously to push me,

Probably, actually. I'm feeling pretty good about the odds that it's {pers, dunn}. If Ruby would explain their townread on Dunn, I'd listen to it, but she won't, so it doesn't mean anything to me. I'm thinking about other people but:

Flavour is town.
tris has been going back and forth between working together with me and being paranoid of me in a way that feels pretty town to me.
I'm feeling decent about Clemency recently but maybe I'm being too lenient.
I haven't minded any of something smart's posts
Dunno about gamma but he seems okay
Need more from Ruby
Dunnstral was worrying me and then I felt a bit better about him but now he's defending Persivul
Persivul is scum

!INFRACTION! - You cannot talk to or about Flavor Leaf right now

[Plotinus]

Persivul I thought they were close to the line but didn't quite cross it. I agree the games were closer in tone than previous ones might have been, but ultimately in your town game even though you did get annoyed with Chateau Lobby it felt like you were doing other things too. Here it has felt like you've been predominantly focused on opposing rooms and opposing me in particular (not exclusively, just mostly). I think the tone thing isn't black and white and can't be reduced to something easy like "did he use any naughty words" or "did he get angry" because obviously people can get frustrated as any alignment and you say fuck as both alignments; I checked. It's more subtle than that.

You asked what the scum motivation for attacking the person setting themselves up to be a townleader is, and I think both of us know that you enjoy being scum and you're not one to back down from a hard fight as scum, that we both realise that as scum we have two tools to use to eliminate problematic players: the night kill and the lynch, and if you can pull off a lynching a hard target then you have even more freedom for the nightkill.

Anyway, I have a job interview tomorrow so if I show up before 20 hours from now, tell me to go away.

[Plotinus]

could've sworn i posted

i think plot/persivul is likely to be t/t

don't tr dunn anymore really, plot i wasn't answering you because i was waiting to see dunn's posts the next time he entered the thread

Thanks for getting back to me on this. Now that I understand what you were doing I think it's townier than not that you waited so long to answer.

I could do Dunn today.

I don't have an opinion on Clemency; I worry about him when he disappears and then I feel okay about him when he's here. He was different in the newbie game I modded, but players there said he was different from usual there so I think that doesn't mean anything. I'd hammer him if it were close to deadline.

Pers, okay, you were a jerk in ClownTardis, too. I'm not arguing that you are 100% jerk as scum and 100% angel as town, that would be ridiculous.

[Plotinus]

Pers, okay, you were a jerk in ClownTardis, too. I'm not arguing that you are 100% jerk as scum and 100% angel as town, that would be ridiculous.

What exactly are you arguing regarding tone?

I provide counter examples to what you seem to be saying, but you say no, it's too subtle for that. You sound like scum pushing an agenda and moving the goalposts so that it's unfalsifiable, or town who's confbiasing.

That you are more likely to do it as scum than you are to do it as town. I don't think in absolutes; nobody switches between being dr jekyll and mr hyde just because they got a different colour role card; it's all about probabilities.

But ok, maybe I'm confbiasing.

I have a migraine and don't know how much longer I'll be up. The deadline is at 6am and I doubt I'll be around for it.

Is a Dunnstral wagon viable?

[Plotinus]

Let's find out.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Plotinus]

Guess not. Well, I'm off to bed.

VOTE: Persivul L-2

[Plotinus]

I'd like a room with Something Smart, and then maybe Ruby.

[Plotinus]

Get a room: Persivul and Ruby Red

[Plotinus]

Get a room: Plotinus, Something_Smart

Sure. I'm curious about your room with her, too.

[Plotinus]

Get a room: Persivul, Flavor Leaf, Ruby Red

[Plotinus]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Plotinus]

1 more. 2n - 1 is 5 for n = 3;

[Plotinus]

Welcome, Nancy Drew!

[Plotinus]

Welcome, Nancy Drew!

Have you ever played with this mechanic before? It seems really interesting. I hope we get one or do we just have to annoy the rest of the playerlist, in to voting us one?

I haven't played with this mechanic before, but I've modded it about 5 times.

I'd be happy to have a room with you. I know that Persivul and Flavour Leaf were hoping to get a room with Ruby, but each player is allowed to have 2 new rooms per dayphase so if you're interested in that room, too, then we've already got most of the votes we need for it. Up to you.

@Something_Smart now that we've had some flips, your chances of being scum with Dunnstral or Persivul has risen to a 0.91% chance each (or a combined 1.82%). I realise this doesn't detract from your point in a meaningful way but it itched.

[Plotinus]

That's a good point about Dunn :/ He's so scummy otherwise though ugh.

VOTE: Clemency

[Plotinus]

yeah, bold "get a room: person1, person2, etc." It takes 3 votes for a 2 person room, 5 for a 3 person room, 7 for a 4 person room.

[Plotinus]

yeah.

Get a room: Nancy and Plotinus

[Plotinus]

Because Plotinus is scum and now he gets to manipulate Nancy in a pt

Scum is still in you/Plot/SS likely

Why is it my fault when I quite clearly pointed out to Nancy that Persivul and Flavour had wanted the room with her first and that I was happy to go second? Are you reading the game or just pushing what you want to push whether it makes sense or not?

VOTE: Dunnstral

!INFRACTION! - You cannot talk to or about Nancy Drew 39 right now

[Plotinus]

shit i am really bad at remembering my post restriction.

What I meant to say is "Why is it my fault when I quite clearly pointed to everybody involved that there was a room with Persivul and Flavour in the works that we almost had enough votes for and that I was happy to wait until after that."

[Plotinus]

I am happy to vote for your room but in 1 day + 6 hours you might be able to have that 3 person room if the 3 of you still want it.

[Plotinus]

Dunnstral, I have been thinking that if you're scum then you're most likely paired with Clemency for a while now. I have a chart but I'm not sure I can post it while I'm post restricted, but all my roommates have seen it.

I mentiond this in private in a few places but I don't mind talking about it in public.

On this setup, if you are scum and you aren't paired with your most likely buddy, then you want to keep that person alive in case you get lynched, right?

So suppose Dunnstral is scum, but not with Flavor Leaf. In that case, he wants to keep Flavor Leaf alive because after Dunnstral is lynched we might go after Flavor Leaf instead of his real buddy, Clemency.
Or suppose Persivul is scum but not with Flavor Leaf either, well then he too wants to keep Flavor Leaf alive to protect his real buddy, Clemency.
Or suppose Clemency is scum and paying attention, which is doubtful, then same deal, he wants to keep me alive because I'm his most likely partner, and the suspicion will fall on me instead of his real buddy, Dunnstral.

And so on down the list. Everyone has someone they are most likely to be scum with, but there's at least a 2/3 chance that you're not scum with the person you're most likely to be scum with.

So for the nightkill, you don't want to kill someone you could frame as being scum with your buddy. So who was tris least likely to be scum with? Dunn and Clemency. So if that's the scumteam, then tris is never going to be framed as either of their buddies, she's vaguely townread and she was asking lots of questions.


Well some of my roommates have some arguments about why Dunn might be town that I'm listening to -- not wholly convinced, but listening anyway., and I liked that Dunn has brought out the math because it's the first time I can really understand where he's coming from. And some of my roommates have some arguments about why Persivul might be town which I'm listening to but it's a harder sell.

The only thing I have in support of Clemency is that it seems too easy.

VOTE: Clemency

[Plotinus]

If you want to make your own chart, copy the one in the rules, but put actual names instead of letters so you can read it, and remove the dead people. Adjust the totals accordingly.

pedit: Clemency, mainly because you've not been doing anything. i see that you are doing a few things right now so keep those up, maybe you can change my mind!

[Plotinus]

Now that my post restriction's over, here's a heatmap of current pairings

[Plotinus]

That was a hammer

[Plotinus]

We should mass claim. I'm a vt. Popcorn dunnstral.

[Plotinus]

Dunn, on the off chance that you're town, do you want to unvote before you lose this for us?

Also, since you were pointing out percentages earlier, why are you starting with the person who, from your perspective, has the smallest chance of being scum? From you perspective, I have a 38.7% of being scum, Nancy has a 45% chance, Persivul has a 54% chance, and Flavor has a 61% chance. Who do you think I'm partnered with?

From my own perspective, I'm aware that the two people I feel worst about (Dunn and Persivul) have the lowest percentages, so I'm not ready to vote yet.

[Plotinus]

Nancy who did your slot deflect off of on which nights? We can't know for sure, but it's possible that you deflected a kill, so anyone you deflected off of is slightly more likely to be town.

[Plotinus]

Flavor, it's pretty obvious from my comment to you in our room earlier today that I believed you were the deflector all along.

[Plotinus]

Nancy who did your slot deflect off of on which nights? We can't know for sure, but it's possible that you deflected a kill, so anyone you deflected off of is slightly more likely to be town.

How? Scum killed Tris and SS?

RR deflected you. I changed my mind 3 times. Ist, I chose Dunn, then Flavor and finally settled on you. RR deflected onto Clem. I deflected onto Persivul.

If either of you had deflected onto tris/something_smart, then we wouldn't know whether scum had targeted those people or the person you deflected off of.

But since you didn't, we don't know anything new about the alignments of your targets. Oh well.

[Plotinus]

Flavor, it's pretty obvious from my comment to you in our room earlier today that I believed you were the deflector all along.

Sure, I read it that way, but I don’t think that’s anything that couldn’t be faked as scum. I’m not entirely certain that it’s you over Dunn, but like I said before, I see Dunn/Persovul as T/S

I want to say I would've killed you, given that I thought you were the deflector, but I guess given your percentage I don't know what I would have done. But Nancy had a really strong townread on you last night and I believe she would've voted Dunn or Persivul with me, so if I were scum I could've killed you and won.

Something Smart was paranoid of you but I talked him down. I really didn't think you'd done anything scummy all game but it does worry me that you're suspecting me, it felt like a misrep but maybe that's unfair of me since it's LYLO afterall, and I'm reconsidering everything too.

If only one of Dunn/Persivul is scum, then it's with you. I don't know which of them it is. It could still be both.

[Plotinus]

if we do the rooms quickly then we can all agree to wait at least 48 hours before voting, i think that's only fair.

Get a Room: Nancy, Flavor Leaf

[Plotinus]

These are the options now:

	Dunnstral	Plotinus	Persivul	Flavor Leaf	Total	Percentage
Dunnstral	X	2	3	8	13	43%
Plotinus		X	6	4	12	40%
Persivul			X	7	16	53%
Flavor Leaf				X	19	63%

[Plotinus]

@Plot - I think it’s completely fair of me to be paranoid.

yeah, i guess it is. I am too, after all.

[Plotinus]

Then in 588, Plot points out his own low scum odds to Dunn, after the two people increasing his odds conveniently died.

Pers, you have this habit of describing my actions as if they had no antecedent. I was responding to something Dunnstral did in that post. You act like I did it completely out of nowhere for inscrutable reasons. The same with my vote on Clemency.

[Plotinus]

ok, well I don't which of you i want to vote yet. Flavor are you gonna hammer me or are you town?

[Plotinus]

thought so.
it's probably Dunn/flavor

[Plotinus]

At the time, my scumreads were Persivul, Dunnstral, and Clemency. I was voting Dunnstral, someone made a point about him that I thought was fair enough, so i switched to my other scumread.

The way I felt about Clemency was that sometimes when he posted i felt a little better about him but he really wasn't doing anything and he kept disappearing and it made me worry.

the way i felt about you was that you were a jerk but i thought maybe you hadn't been quite as much of a jerk as you tend to be as scum.

[Plotinus]

thought so.
it's probably Dunn/flavor

Nancy was ready to vote persivul, I forced a vote on you instead. I don't see how you can think I'm scum with flavor here

well maybe it's Persivul then. It's Flavor for sure though, that was an obvious quickhammer.

[Plotinus]

yeah it's definitely Pers. He FOSed me, flavor posted to show that he was here, then pers voted, then flavor quickhammered.

[Plotinus]

I know, but I was town, so if it's not you then it's them two

[Plotinus]

It's okay, Dunn. Persivul pocketed you, feeding your paranoia of me. Flavor pocketed me. It happens. We might've lynched Persivul today but I don't think we would've lynched Flavor tomorrow.

[Plotinus]

You did it out here

[Plotinus]

I'm good in neighbourhoods as scum,too. I think that's why Dunnstral was worried about me.

[Plotinus]

Maybe, but I think he would've worried about me anyway. I guess I have a tendency to leave people alone when they're suspecting me, figuring they'll come round or they won't, but I was suspecting him too so I wasn't sure what I would've said to him.

[Plotinus]

Yeah, I shouldn't have gotten distracted by Clemency

[Plotinus]

Thanks for modding, BulletNLynchproof!

[Plotinus]

Good game, scum

[Plotinus]

The mechanic favours the side that uses it the most. Weaker scum players tend to be intimidated by rooms or assume that it favours town, and it is true that it requires a lot more time commitment than just phoning it in a single game thread.