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Post Post #7575  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:41 pm

@Boon: follow up to DrewVa's question -- does weak specifically apply to the mafia factional kill? As in they die when targeting town?

I can see a world where a mod might apply the modifier to roles but not to factional abilities, important to get that clarified -- if it gets an answer at all.
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Post Post #7576  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:41 pm

Wow, lucked out with a pagetop.
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Post Post #7577  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:41 pm

So to be clear, there is no reason whatsoever to think that you are the reason for the missing nightkill?

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Post Post #7578  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:49 pm

In post 7525, Jingle wrote:So we're left with two possible logic chains:

EJ is a scum traitor with no special modifiers, meaning Creat/dave/drewva/xtoxm were all stopped by an independent source or are lying AND has been claimed to have received the Weak modifier.

EJ is town who lies compulsively and plays like a survivor regardless of role PM.


Well not always as a Survivor nowadays, but when it works it works. Lying on the other hand, is very fun though obviously I change the amount and severity depending on the game and it's current state.

In short though: yes, I've lied, but it was brilliant in my mind and I baited scum to try and lynch me so we'd kill them.

Also I bet 20 Australian dollars with Ducky that I'd make it too night 5 after I claimed Traitor like day 1... And I'm nearly there.
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Post Post #7579  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:50 pm

Things I want today:
>Gamma Emerald to be more townie in this thread so I don't have to waste time defending her
>Xtoxm to [do more stuff]
>Nero Cain to say who he neighborized
>Creature to expand on his reasoning behind taking the ascetic modifier, and whether he would remove the ascetic modifier if he had access to a modifier scrubber given that has appeared in some rooms
>Dave to just keep doing dave for the moment, keep doing dave, dave.
>BrightEyedFish to talk about things that aren't the fucking day reps because that is just a really boring theory to me rn
>Nev and Max to... what do I want this slot to do. idk, "if you were scum with something smart, would you try to case alonzo in a boonus room to direct night actions there because you were killing him?" idk, it's bothering me a little that S_S directed us to Elsa when that would be a black hole, and your play in the boonus room seems a little closer to that to me now. just something bothering me. I guess a related question here is why did it feel like you were pushing alonzo more in the boonus room than you were in thread?
>Elsa: Who is a better lynch than you rn?

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Post Post #7580  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:51 pm

In post 7578, Elsa Jay wrote:In short though: yes, I've lied, but it was brilliant in my mind and I baited scum to try and lynch me so we'd kill them.


It wasn't brilliant at all. We would have lynched S_S without you lying...we just would have lynched you too - which we may have to do at some point anyway because....you lied.
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Post Post #7581  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:52 pm

I made impressive calculations in my head but I'm shit at Math.

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Post Post #7582  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:53 pm

Kinda just want to lynch you so you don't make it to N5.
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Post Post #7583  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:55 pm

Plz no. I got a family.

Also *cough* let's find scum *cough*

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Post Post #7584  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:55 pm

I'm petty.
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Post Post #7585  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:55 pm

And duck deserves it more.
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Post Post #7586  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:56 pm

Elsa probably gets lynched today because he's just too beautiful for this thread

Also because he fucking killed mcqueen indirectly

but MOSTLY because he's too beautiful for this thread

but I'd like to know who we should have lynched today instead so tomorrow is more interesting

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Post Post #7587  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:00 pm

But I've at the very least made the game more interesting, right?

Also, really liking the line of logic Jingle is saying why Nev in particular is scummy. Also see how confrontational he got too?

The Xtoxm thing is weird though. He ALSO said he targetted me yesterday, so we know he ain't a VT.
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Post Post #7588  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:00 pm

Xtox- Mechanical Information lynch.


An Xtox town lynch confirms Thanos.
An Xtox scum lynch means Thanos is potentially scum.

Finding that out sooner than later is +equity, especially since we have the ability to remove potential scum from the lynch pool in the effort to make the game nightless.

Xtox claimed to have targeted EJ with a vig N3, the same night as the robotic investigation gals. This presents several problems.

The flipped scum JK can only prevent one kill, not the two that supposedly went at EJ.
A town rolestopper/enchantress/etc probably wouldn't have targeted EJ given the high likelihood of vig/investigations on that slot and also the high amount of suspicion he was under at the time.
A scum rolestopper/enchantress is unlikely given the roleblocker flip.
A commuter EJ is unlikely given that I am a commuter and the roleblocker flip.
There were three missing kills that night, supposedly. In order for Xtox to have shot, there were 3 missing kills. We've seen one instance of scum being able to stop a kill. Presumably, that means there would have to be two town protective roles that stopped kills (while one kill evasion role holstered), OR that scum used multiple protections on one player and then attempted to fake a guilty on that player.

Additionally, there's the vig itself to consider. There is one vig shot bonus prize known. In order for Xtox to have recieved a vig Boonus Drewva needs to be scum lying about having kept it. Scum Drewva wouldn't give Town Xtox a vigshot. If he's a vig by role, why no other kills? He would have needed to holster Nights 1 and 2. If he won another shot (I can't remember if he was in Boonus rooms) why didn't he shoot last night? Why Elsa over SS, given that he suspected SS D1 and SS was MORE culpable than EJ in the D3 hammer shenanigans?
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Post Post #7589  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:02 pm

In post 7588, Jingle wrote:An Xtox town lynch confirms Thanos.
An Xtox scum lynch means Thanos is potentially scum.


wtf are you talking about, we just activated thanos. We can just get him to send another message, assuming people don't fuck up the boonus round again

why are you acting like he's 1-shot?

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Post Post #7590  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:02 pm

I don't think I've given a reason why Nev is scummy.
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Post Post #7591  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:03 pm

In post 7588, Jingle wrote:Xtox claimed to have targeted EJ with a vig N3


can someone quote this post for me plz

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Post Post #7592  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:03 pm

In post 7588, Jingle wrote:Xtox claimed to have targeted EJ with a vig N3


Where was this?
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Post Post #7593  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:04 pm

In post 7499, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 7496, PenguinPower wrote:I haven't intimated anything.

Go do some yoga and calm down.


Ahh yes, the old say some wild shit and then act like the guy responding is crazy act. I love this gaslighting


Not directly, but you and Penguin definitely triggered SOMETHING (_Smart) from him.
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Post Post #7594  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:05 pm

the mindmeld with penguin is real

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Post Post #7595  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:06 pm

In post 7589, DrewVa wrote:why are you acting like he's 1-shot?


First of all, I'm acting like he's conftown.

Second of all, a second friendly neighbor shot is a terrible use of a Boonus prize unless Xtox is scum. Him keeping it assumes that there's nothing better than friendly neighbor on the list of prizes. Pretty much every prize we've seen is better than friendly neighbor having a second shot.

Third, that's a very small part of why xtox is mechanically the best lynch and thus today's priority sort.
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Post Post #7596  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:08 pm

In post 7595, Jingle wrote:Pretty much every prize we've seen is better than friendly neighbor having a second shot.


I can confirm this is probably not true.
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Post Post #7597  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:09 pm

In post 6577, Xtoxm wrote:i also had an action fail on elsa last night

VOTE: Elsa


Hmm. I thought it was vig. Apparently it was just an action.
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Post Post #7598  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:10 pm

In post 6577, Xtoxm wrote:i also had an action fail on elsa last night

VOTE: Elsa



"Last Night" = Night 3 along with Drewva. DrewVa said they shot me. Xtoxm mever specified.

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Post Post #7599  (ISO)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:10 pm

In post 7595, Jingle wrote:First of all, I'm acting like he's conftown.

Second of all, a second friendly neighbor shot is a terrible use of a Boonus prize unless Xtox is scum. Him keeping it assumes that there's nothing better than friendly neighbor on the list of prizes. Pretty much every prize we've seen is better than friendly neighbor having a second shot.

Third, that's a very small part of why xtox is mechanically the best lynch and thus today's priority sort.


you just fucking proposed lynching xtoxm with one reason being "that clears thanos" -- like, come on dude, that's some shit reasoning

a second friendly neighbor shot is a perfectly fine use of a boonus prize given we should have like 4 winners per night and several people already have plenty of charges. the prizes are in addition to the +1, not exclusive.

third point you just need to remind me when xtox claimed a vig shot because I kinda just don't remember that

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pedit: okay, so yeah, xtox is NOT the best fucking lynch from a mechanical perspective

you can tell me more about BEF and N&M reads tho
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