no deadlines mafia [game over]

[Wisdom]

why is gamma town

[Wisdom]

or we just lynch gamma

[Wisdom]

like im way more confident on gamma than singleton

the last thing i need is a town singleton flip to he used as an excuse to not lynch gamma

[Wisdom]

Why is gamma town, nancy?

[Wisdom]

then you don't have a townread on gamma?

[Wisdom]

im back in scum Nancy camp

i dont like her avoiding giving a clear stance on gamma, her reasoning for scumreading singleton is weak bs and looks like shes just trying to fuel my scumread there, and her "lets lynch singleton to resolve wisdom and gamma" feels like a way to save gamma and push me after single flips town

[Wisdom]

how is nancy in the hood, fl?

do you think she could be scum?

[Wisdom]

because it isnt

go ahead and vote me nancy, youre not getting me lynched anyway and it will only make me more confident im right

[Wisdom]

what effort have you put in here?

[Wisdom]

again, which reads of yours are you referring to when you say youve put "so much effort" in sorting?

[Wisdom]

That post is not effort. That post is waffling on gamma read, pushing shit reasons on single, and pushing the singleton town -> wisdom scum -> leave gamma alone agenda i described. You are not trying to sort anyone.

[Wisdom]

Dense town you believes in moonlogical things and doesnt see reason

thats not whats happening here

youre actually pushing a scum agenda

[Wisdom]

ill even bite and ask you more questions;

Why is singleton putting xtoxm at L-2 scummy?
Why is singleton asking me and voting me scummy?
Why am I not s/s with singleton?

[Wisdom]

as well as my thinking she could be town

You have yet to put this thinking into words
Go ahead

[Wisdom]

Yeah he does all that
The question was whats scummy about it

[Wisdom]

youre still not explaining

[Wisdom]

Thats not what you need to explain.

You need to explain what is your "own thinking" on gamma town you talked about

And you need to explain what the scum motivation was in the singleton actions you pointed at.

[Wisdom]

I seriously wish you would stop being so scummy because it’s just confusing me and totally not helping at all. :/

also this "im scumreading you but not really" act is just making you more scum, not less. Just saying.

[Wisdom]

cool, i wont insist

Now we lynch gamma, folks.

[Wisdom]

Youve explained nothing and I have shown it. Acting like you have only makes you look worse.

[Wisdom]

purr realize youre pocketed yet?

[Wisdom]

I thought i was scum, nancy

Have you resorted to just discrediting me now?

[Wisdom]

sigh how is it possible to not see nancy is obvscum after i put effort into showing it

[Wisdom]

yes you do

light is town, gamma is another obvious scum

[Wisdom]

at daystart i was just scumreading both of you based off what i remembered which was not much

then i started rereading

[Wisdom]

Do you have a stance on gamma?

[Wisdom]

I did? Maybe it wasn't clear enough: his entire Theta tunnel was bad, and then he made other posts today like 906 and 1007 "hey how dare you scumread me", then there was 1039 telling people how to read him.

what changed from this?

[Wisdom]

That was a long time ago, I forgot about those because I got disengaged, and recently not much has pinged me from Gamma either way

i can buy that
you should reread him. I think you have the necessary experience to tell hes scum.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: nancyall this wahhh wahhh back n forth to play everyones emotions while generating nonsene

Is worthy of a vote

"weird"

Because showing her scum agenda and cornering her where she avoided answering my questions and explaining her bs is "weird"

get pocketed

[Wisdom]

quotes are irrelevant

[Wisdom]

oh yea I wanted to ask rlly quick

do I need to claim? my slot is at L-2? rnow but idk what the protocol is for games of this size

Don't claim. Especially with some pressure (I haven't been paying as much attention as I should be, but I have noticed that at least mastina thinks your lynch is bad) we can get a wagon going in a different direction.

I'll show up in a p big way hopefully some time tomorrow and get things going in a strong direction.

enter is town btw

[Wisdom]

btw if multiball the other scumteam contains the brie and single

[Wisdom]

like i don't like the brie at all in my reread and i wonder how i havent noticed till now

[Wisdom]

Can't talk much rn but VOTE: dannflor

This isnt scum either

[Wisdom]

nancy do i look like purr or sheep to you? Keep your "omg such mindmelding" tactics for them

[Wisdom]

btw if multiball the other scumteam contains the brie and single

yeah reiterating that although i don't like these two theyre prolly not scum with danfloor

dan's thebrie push for example

[Wisdom]

I agree with this. If Mastina were to flip town, Enter looks a lot like scum trying to buy town cred last second before the wagon goes through

more reason for enter town

[Wisdom]

The only way ill reconsider my read on you is if you vote gamma which youre avoiding like the plague

[Wisdom]

@Wagonimics I want to lynch xtoxm, Vax, Mastina, and Wisdom.

ridiculous
4/4 town most likely

guess what

[Wisdom]

The only way ill reconsider my read on you is if you vote gamma which youre avoiding like the plague

Well, that mostly on you, since your continued bizarre flipflpping on me, is not only confusing the hell out of me but messing with my ability to attempt to sort Gamma correctly.

And you not at all seeing that, makes me want to bang my head against a wall, repeatedly.

more excuses, got it

or rather the same tired one

[Wisdom]

And I think Gamma is town. Early on he might not have had a lot really in his content, but now I feel he's engaging well now, and trying to help everyone get stuff done.

bs
Because he asked people to give 4 scumreads?
wow, what a difficult thing to do as scum

[Wisdom]

I told you, either vote gamma or youre dying after he flips red

anything else you post just makes you look worse

[Wisdom]

leave xtoxm alone and lets finally lynch gamma
he should be dead since at least d2

[Wisdom]

yes. This has been scum gamma since d1 and he hasnt bothered hiding it. He has done nothing even remotely close to what town gamma does.

[Wisdom]

what wisdom is doing here is pushing scum all game and getting ignored as usual

[Wisdom]

my intent is not to harass you, it is to show people youre his buddy

[Wisdom]

there are other things youve done other than not voting gamma that make me think you're scum and ive mentioned them

the other people who refuse to see gamma is scum have actually done town things which ive also mentioned

[Wisdom]

Kill: Party Boat

i had forgotten brie was d3 vig as well

so yeah, one more point towards her being in a different team and not with danflor

[Wisdom]

I finally finished rereading

For many parts of the game it was like reading for the first time

Locktown: Flavor, sheep, enter, light

Likely town: Purr, xtoxm

Scum A: Gamma + Nancy

Scum B: singleton + TheBrie + vonflare

If not multiball then someone from scum B is an sk and vonflare is on A or something

[Wisdom]

forgot kokichi, put him in likely town

[Wisdom]

I am absolutely not contributing in mislynching xtoxm

Gamma is ridiculously obvscum, i can read him like a book and he himself knows it, which is why hes avoided any interaction with me

Brie and singleton are acceptable lynches

Everything else is shit

[Wisdom]

please dont murder gamma
its like u guys want me to meow in a sad tone

Gamma is town.

Gamma isn't scum, xtoxm def is and flavour prob is

You three are more than likely all town and you need to drop your out of nowhere townread on gamma.

What, you feel its not out of nowhere? Then explain to me what gamma has done that you think is town so I can show you how its bullshit. Until then you are actively trying to help scum, especially seeing as you are not even pushing singleton or Brie.

[Wisdom]

I finally finished rereading

For many parts of the game it was like reading for the first time

Locktown: Flavor, sheep, enter, light

Likely town: Purr, xtoxm

I HIGHLY doubt flavour and xtoxm is T/T

Based on what?

[Wisdom]

Pedit: based on that they have each other pocketed, based on everything xtoxms done up to and including the fakeclaim, based on flavour's push on me right from his replace in which is based on the laziest reasoning I've ever seen (even though I'm probs the easiest person to mislynch on this site) and xtoxm sheeping it 100%

none of these support a "one of them has to be scum" mindset. They are both town and wrong about you.

[Wisdom]

enter you shouldnt let ethical things affect town/scum reads

You might feel that replacing out is wrong but it doesnt indicate scum

Its just personality

[Wisdom]

After all that, I think Nancy's town, and I don't know what the what Wisdom is. Annoying anyway.

funny how im annoying the moment i start scumreading you

up to now you just kept avoiding saying anything about me

[Wisdom]

dont defend scummy actions just because you dislike me

brie's handling of me is not town brie

[Wisdom]

Town Brie (NeenieKit) in The Coalition

Compare this post for example

I'd like to say I agree with this, but there's a small part of me that is paranoid of Wisdom. He feels like town, but he almost feels too much like town. His confidence on me being town, is a little stronger than seems reasonable, and I can't help thinking he could be trying to pocket me. Probably not, but I want to make sure.

Is Wisdom commonly given to strong assertions of people being town?

to her constant shallow read on me here

And a scum Brie though it's old

[Wisdom]

brie and dann arent on the same team either way because i doubt they have two d3 vigs

[Wisdom]

tough luck gamma
theres no way you roll scum in a game with me and me not seeing it

[Wisdom]

^awful

[Wisdom]

because you're acting like gamma has a point and you're waffling based on it

it's scum waffling

gamma has no point.

[Wisdom]

you're 100% not scum with him though, it's proven once again

you're hesitating exactly because of this

his buddies are commiting to the bus right now, they don't do this waffling

[Wisdom]

like how nancy awkwardly labeled her vote "i am sheeping purrcocet" instead of talking about gamma at all

[Wisdom]

Yes. Nancy is scum with gamma, and you are scum with singleton.

[Wisdom]

purr you know

[Wisdom]

nancy if im wrong and youre town dont let that affect your opinion on my other reads
singleton and brie are scum

[Wisdom]

until ive played with scum you its unreasonable to demand i read you correctly

[Wisdom]

They default townread you because you look like town you and dont let themselves get paranoid

If they haven't played with you they don't know if this is town you or scum you so thats foolish

[Wisdom]

see the problem is that I don't scumread Brie because I think she looks like that one distant scumgame

but I can't explain that to you and you just want a scumgame so you got a scumgame

[Wisdom]

because i am

[Wisdom]

brie and dann arent on the same team either way because i doubt they have two d3 vigs

[Wisdom]

we are saying the same thing
except i think its multiball

[Wisdom]

gamma is hammered, kokichi

[Wisdom]

nancy hello?
I know pb was vigged by brie
Read the quote again

[Wisdom]

We already have two town dayvigs, cheeky and kokichi

[Wisdom]

dann is the scum A dayvig and brie is the scum B dayvig

[Wisdom]

how are you more important than a dayvig

[Wisdom]

xyzzy hasnt been around

[Wisdom]

i hate this game
i bet the mod is trolling me

[Wisdom]

supposedly i use fruit to shoot
i shot gamma n2, nothing happened
i shot the brie last night, nothing happened

either scum are blocking me or the mod is trolling me and i cant actually shoot

[Wisdom]

i was wrong nancy, what is to explain

plus the fact he didnt die from my shot

[Wisdom]

VOTE: singleton

[Wisdom]

this was also the first night we didn't have two kills
what does that mean?

[Wisdom]

what block roles? Three of them have flipped town and you think there are more?
And what about the two blocks on me?

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

There are 3 claimed people out of 11 right now. With only 1 scum lynched i think we should maybe massclaim at this point

[Wisdom]

Kokichi Oma - D3 vig
Enter
TheBrie
singletonking
light_ganski
Purrcocet
Wisdom - fruit enabled vig
Xtoxm - Neighbor
vonflare
sheepsaysmeep
Nancy Drew 39 - Neighbor

[Wisdom]

oh and purr is fruit vendor, I forgot

so we have 5 claims out of 11

[Wisdom]

let me try this again

Kokichi Oma - D3 vig
Enter
TheBrie - D3 vig
singletonking
light_ganski
Purrcocet - Fruit vendor
Wisdom - fruit enabled vig
Xtoxm - Neighbor
vonflare
sheepsaysmeep
Nancy Drew 39 - Neighbor

[Wisdom]

I think we should fill this up

And since I claimed I popcorn to singleton

[Wisdom]

Can't talk much rn but VOTE: dannflor

I dont remember why but during my reread i found this to be a sign of light not being a dann buddy

do you disagree, xtoxm?

[Wisdom]

I chose to believe you were trolling
If thats what you still go with we're prolly lynching you

[Wisdom]

No scum in history has bussed? Jingle had agreed to hammer Martina already it was a meaningless vote could well have been optics.

lemme reread, its obviously not just the fact she voted dann

[Wisdom]

ok my thought was that

With dann's entrance the slot got towncred and the wagon fell apart

I see little to no reason for light to vote dann at that point, where she could join the crowd in townreading dann

[Wisdom]

no i read it and still thought you're trolling

why did you vote singleton though? Why would you sheep me?

@vonflare

[Wisdom]

your fruit should have killed gamma and thebrie

but they keep blocking me

[Wisdom]

not a fan of vonflare making a huge deal out of nothing

its like he was looking for something to grab onto

[Wisdom]

ive never seen a death miller in a game
you claimed one and then you did nothing all game
it felt obvious to me that was a troll claim

[Wisdom]

yeah thats a possibility i guess
though his play sucks if that's the case because he could have easily gotten lynched earlier or vigged

[Wisdom]

xtoxm, light: How do you feel about singleton? Think you can truce for a moment to get a lynch there?

[Wisdom]

If youre claiming bp say it now.

[Wisdom]

I use fruit given to me to vig

if i dont have fruit i cant vig

[Wisdom]

Purr i refuse to believe you think im scum here

[Wisdom]

why did you give me fruit after you saw gamma flipping town?

[Wisdom]

I use fruit given to me to vig

if i dont have fruit i cant vig

So Purr needs to enable your role? Similar to GIF/Rennais in Labrynth, right?

i dont remember gif's role
but mine is simple, i need to expend fruit to shoot

[Wisdom]

looked at it
gif needed to be alive so that the jk could function
in my case i dont need purr or vax to be alive, i just need to have received fruit
like, right now i have fruit, even if purr died i can still use it to vig

[Wisdom]

i have crumbed i need fruit since my first post

And i repeat, why did you give me fruit last night?

[Wisdom]

i said yesterday i do something with fruit
why do you find vigging to be unlikely?

[Wisdom]

Also i said on d3 that i was blocked, remember?

[Wisdom]

cool. I see no reason for you to be a town bp d3 vig, so youre either scum or 3pm

VOTE: thebrie

[Wisdom]

3p*

[Wisdom]

With the game being kill heavy, it makes sense giving scum/sk a bp shot

[Wisdom]

in my scumgame i try to mirror my towngame, purr
you'll always find similarities

[Wisdom]

btw i dont scumread nancy anymore. I was just so confident in my gamma read that her attempt to push singleton instead of gamma felt super shady to me and caused me to tunnel her.

I think xtoxm might have some chance of flipping scum now.

But singleton and thebrie are definitely flipping scum or 3p.

[Wisdom]

I also maintain that light, enter and sheep are town.

[Wisdom]

in my scumgame i try to mirror my towngame, purr
you'll always find similarities

.............................................................................You were scum in that game

is this a slip

you were talking about my scum game, that's what i replied to you about

[Wisdom]

Kokichi Oma - D3 vig
Enter
TheBrie - Bulletproof D3 vig
singletonking - VT
light_ganski
Purrcocet - Fruit vendor
Wisdom - fruit enabled vig
Xtoxm - Neighbor
vonflare - Death Miller
sheepsaysmeep - VT
Nancy Drew 39 - Neighbor

[Wisdom]

singleton, xtoxm, purr = mafia

thebrie = sk

vonflare = jester

wisdom, nancy, sheep, enter, light, kokichi = town

how is this solve

[Wisdom]

read today for why vonflare is jester

thebrie is sk because she claimed bulletproof - and since she has the same role as dannfloor it makes sense shes not his buddy, thus sk

purr is scum because poe and because his push on me doesnt make any sense

[Wisdom]

i wasnt blocked, i shot thebrie who is bp

[Wisdom]

and the motivation for scum purr to keep giving me fruit is the fact i scumread people not in his team (thebrie, vonflare, you prior to today) so i can kill people for them

[Wisdom]

actually nvm that part, he didnt know im vig until now

eh idk but it makes more sense than giving fruit to me while scumreading me

[Wisdom]

then again i had said i do something with fruit
and with his "scumread" on me he had an easy excuse not to give me fruit yet he did
i dont know

[Wisdom]

i said i didn't scumread u until u claimed .

which doesnt make sense

[Wisdom]

I had no fruit n1 maybe?

[Wisdom]

again, this is the timeline

I received fruit from Vax on N1, this means at the end of N1
I used said fruit to vig Gamma on N2, nothing happened (I was blocked?)
I got no fruit on N2, which I also mentioned on D3
Then I got fruit from you on N3 (again, end of night)
And used it to shoot TheBrie on N4, nothing happened because TheBrie is BP.
I got another fruit from you at the end of N4.

[Wisdom]

Your role works like you shoot on the nights you get fruit and you said Vax sent one N1?

I use fruit to shoot
I get fruit at the end of nights
Therefore it's impossible to shoot N1

[Wisdom]

no
I need to have fruit in order to do the action at all
Think of it as you being an inventor and sending me a vig shot
I cant use it on the night you send it to me

[Wisdom]

because light is the designated mislynch a long time now

note how singleton keeps being ignored

[Wisdom]

I think the best we can do is leash thebrie under lynch threat and make her shoot whoever we want, then lynch singleton

[Wisdom]

vonflare so we dont waste a lynch on him

[Wisdom]

light it's your turn to claim

[Wisdom]

I'm not sure you understand what we were talking about either
nobody is shooting anyone today

[Wisdom]

what about thebrie? do you agree her bp claim makes her sk?

[Wisdom]

and what do we do with her in your opinion?

[Wisdom]

yeah but she will deny being sk unless we actually try to lynch her

[Wisdom]

brie is not going to listen or even accept she is sk so we're lynching singleton

[Wisdom]

just need Enter to finish the massclaim

[Wisdom]

lynch single, shoot xtoxm?

[Wisdom]

btw im officially the 3p catcher apparently

still havent lynched a scum but caught a jester and an sk

[Wisdom]

brie cant shoot during the day, shes sk

[Wisdom]

nancy focus
she was a d3 vig, like the other d3 vigs
but shes also sk

[Wisdom]

anyway we wait for enter and then lynch single

[Wisdom]

i agree but i want to finish this massclaim

[Wisdom]

Claiming vt

[Wisdom]

Enter i get the impression you didnt read if you think brie is town
She accepted she is sk and agreed to shoot for us

[Wisdom]

VOTE: single

[Wisdom]

singletonking - VT
light_ganski - VT
sheepsaysmeep - VT

Trekkie99 - VT

Kokichi Oma - D3 vig

CheekyTeeky - D3 vig

TheBrie - Bulletproof SK and D3 vig

Dannflor - D3 vig

Gamma Emerald - Roleblocker
mastina - Jailkeeper
Leodanny - Jailkeeper

Flavor Leaf - Neighbor
Party Boat - Neighbor

Nancy Drew 39 - Neighbor
Xtoxm - Neighbor

Vaxkiller - Fruit vendor

Purrcocet - Fruit vendor
Wisdom - Fruit enabled vig

Enter - 2shot Commuter

Jingle - Triple voter
Wagonomics - 3month vig
profii - non consecutive JOAT

vonflare - Death miller

Ausuka - Jester

[Wisdom]

A vt claim, a neighbor, and the second fruit vendor. Thats where I see the scum being.

We (or at least I) also know scum are confirmed to have a roleblocker. That will most likely be the one with the vt claim.

[Wisdom]

Also note that gamma blocked xtoxm on the night I was blocked, which means xtoxm is not the roleblocker.

[Wisdom]

Purr: you gave me fruit on N3 and N4, and you gave Nancy fruit on N1, correct? What did you do on N2?

[Wisdom]

Gamma who did you block?

Xtoxm

[Wisdom]

and yes like i said in my solve: singleton/xtoxm/purr

[Wisdom]

Nobody claimed a block on me or a doc on Gamma on N2 therefore scum are confirmed to have a roleblocker who blocked me.

[Wisdom]

if im right singleton is the roleblocker, and purr did the nightkill on n2 hence why he didnt give fruit to anyone.

[Wisdom]

no, the fourth is dann who has flipped

[Wisdom]

4 scum, 1 sk, 2 jesters

[Wisdom]

yes you can hammer

Reminder that TheBrie has to shoot Xtoxm.

[Wisdom]

you're hammered man

[Wisdom]

so kindly confirm you were scum for us

[Wisdom]

no you arent, you just know you arent really hammered

[Wisdom]

sure
am i right on who your buddies are?

[Wisdom]

light why did you remove the bp part from brie when you quoted my post

It didn't end up mattering but you were talking about brie completely ignoring she has claimed bulletproof and night vig

[Wisdom]

i only caught the 3ps this game. and i guess purr but he sort of scumclaimed

gg

[Wisdom]

Nancy take this lesson to be less stubborn in your meta reads. Both sheep and hebi were scum.

this isnt me blaming you, i was townreading them as well. But be less stubborn and consider the setup too. You opened today ignoring there is a scum rb.

[Wisdom]

oh yeah

well misreading gamma has me not being proud of my play this game

[Wisdom]

it wasnt really coordinated