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Post Post #13  (isolation #0)  » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:50 am

In post 11, drmyshottyizsik wrote:I would also like to take this time to point out that you can connect to Internet Explorer from a Wendy's POS.

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Post Post #92  (isolation #1)  » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:20 pm

In post 91, LlamaFluff wrote:This whole thread an image:
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Post Post #637  (isolation #2)  » Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:43 am

In post 619, zoraster wrote:2012 Presidential Election
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that colored map could just be titled "large population and cultural centers are colored blue"
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Post Post #732  (isolation #3)  » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:58 am

In post 710, Killthestory wrote:
In post 708, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 707, drmyshottyizsik wrote:but he is the best man for the country, I believe.

So the lack of any previous political experience doesn't faze you?

And Hillary's who's literally nicknamed "The Evil Clit" doesn't faze you? I mean, it's pretty said when all the presidential candidates who have political experience are doing about equal to Trump.

How fitting that the type of people who are opposed to Hillary would use images of female genitalia to try to summon revulsion in others
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Post Post #813  (isolation #4)  » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:23 pm

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Post Post #1007  (isolation #5)  » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:10 am

In post 955, LlamaFluff wrote:Yeah, I am older than you and the "out of 1600" wasn't an option when I took it.

tbf the writing portion is nonsense
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Post Post #1009  (isolation #6)  » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:22 am

bragging about your SAT score is not a good look though, just saying
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Post Post #1151  (isolation #7)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:01 am

In post 1149, drmyshottyizsik wrote:liberalism, be it socialism, communism, or fascism, this doesn't make me ignorant

it's ironic because those are four very different political ideologies!
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Post Post #1163  (isolation #8)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:36 am

In post 1154, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1151, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1149, drmyshottyizsik wrote:liberalism, be it socialism, communism, or fascism, this doesn't make me ignorant

it's ironic because those are four very different political ideologies!

And vapor, ice and water are all very different but are still made of H2O. All of those ideologies are liberal in nature. Now they are vastly different ideologies yes, but that are similar and from the same spectrum.
no... political ideology doesn't function along a line segment like you're suggesting

and, fuck, if fascism isn't a right-wing ideology what IS according to you?
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Post Post #1399  (isolation #9)  » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:42 pm

In post 1396, Kublai Khan wrote:Trumpeters.

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Post Post #1445  (isolation #10)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:28 am

In post 1440, Psyche wrote:shotty is partial to bing

bing is the superior engine for porn searching

and Trump is the politics version of money shot compilations
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Post Post #1446  (isolation #11)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:28 am

which I guess makes him the Girl Talk of politics
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Post Post #1447  (isolation #12)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:28 am

it all makes sense now
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Post Post #1526  (isolation #13)  » Wed May 04, 2016 4:05 pm

honestly Trump is the least terrifying to me of all of the realistic options from the Republican side....
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Post Post #1528  (isolation #14)  » Wed May 04, 2016 4:21 pm

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Post Post #1998  (isolation #15)  » Thu May 12, 2016 10:53 am

In post 1979, drmyshottyizsik wrote:lesser parts of the world

canada... Finland

why would you identify Canada and Finland as "lesser"
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Post Post #2000  (isolation #16)  » Thu May 12, 2016 10:57 am

why is it even on the list of "lesser" countries though

and wow, the US has lots of run down parts too.

why did you identify those two countries, specifically, as "lesser" is my question
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Post Post #2002  (isolation #17)  » Thu May 12, 2016 11:00 am

okay then
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Post Post #2004  (isolation #18)  » Thu May 12, 2016 11:04 am

I just wanted to know what your reasoning was because those two seemed incongruous with the rest of the list
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Post Post #2042  (isolation #19)  » Thu May 12, 2016 6:27 pm

In post 2037, Shadoweh wrote:He's probably been to Canada too.

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Post Post #2266  (isolation #20)  » Wed May 18, 2016 10:15 pm

In post 2264, kuribo wrote:
In post 2261, Accountant wrote:I don't like Trump but I don't like the movement to call him Drumpf, it's insane and childish. He has the right to be referred to as whatever he wants :|




I don't like it because it's just continuing the childish mindset where the right has spent years referring to "Obammy," "Obummer," "Barack HUSSEIN Obama," "Barry," etc


It's stupid and childish, as you say and has no bearing nor effect on any policy or opinion. It's the equivalent of calling rival sports teams the Stealers or the Cowgirls.

The Democrat Party is my personal favorite
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Post Post #2514  (isolation #21)  » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:10 pm

In post 2508, Egg wrote:All I wanna say real quick is that a man who can go into the convention in front of all Republicans and say he's going to take care of the LBGT community definitely sounds like someone who would unite the country if people listened to him and not the media's perception of him. Ok, pretend I was never here.
is that what he said?
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Post Post #2558  (isolation #22)  » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:31 pm

In post 2553, Albert B. Rampage wrote:You're spouting BS faster than Hillary can torpedo her own campaign with DWS. Go talk about something that makes you happy or take a chill pill while watching Clinton Cash while we avert the greatest disaster of a presidential candidate that has ever faced the U.S. thanks to DJT.

what makes Hildog the greatest disaster ever?
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Post Post #2569  (isolation #23)  » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:32 pm

In post 2563, T S O wrote:
In post 2558, Untrod Tripod wrote:what makes Hildog the greatest disaster ever?


Your choice for POTUS is the most corrupt politician alive. That's not slander, that's not an opinion, that's fact. She's so corrupt that there have been films made about it. If you want to argue the point, sure. Watch Clinton Cash and then refute the points from there. It's a good place to start from.
I have heard that Hildog is corrupt before but I'm not sure as to the level of corruption. What metric should I use to measure corruption?
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Post Post #2571  (isolation #24)  » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:42 pm

to be fair I wouldn't describe any of those guys as "politicians"
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Post Post #2575  (isolation #25)  » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:54 pm

come on, don't be a dick
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Post Post #2579  (isolation #26)  » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:40 pm

I want to know what he thinks and I don't think that will happen by mocking him?
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Post Post #2599  (isolation #27)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:51 pm

In post 2594, Albert B. Rampage wrote:everyone is thinking but afraid to say
yeah, I wasn't thinking that.
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Post Post #2612  (isolation #28)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:38 pm

is it really so hard to believe that things are the way they are because of a disorganized clusterfuck of groups throwing money, favors, and words into the void
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Post Post #2622  (isolation #29)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:05 pm

In post 2620, Davsto wrote:
In post 2618, Majiffy wrote:I'm guessing that's a tentacle joke?

If so, lol
If not, I don't get it.

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I'm not sure which I like better to be honest
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Post Post #2625  (isolation #30)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:18 pm

his willingness to kowtow to the religious right is troubling, regardless of his willingness to say fuck you to bribery
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Post Post #2763  (isolation #32)  » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:30 pm

In post 2754, Narna wrote:propaganda for multiculturalism.
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Post Post #2769  (isolation #33)  » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:38 am

In post 2766, Narna wrote:It is really that unfathomable that people born and raised in the third world would be more prone to crime in first world nations? It seems to me like a given, even ignoring the differences in morales and religion.
"don't you see, you can't move here because you people are more prone to crime. the reason why is that as a country you have poor morals and worship a different invisible sky wizard than we do"

also, apologizing for bad sourcing then linking us to Breitbart is pretty funny
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Post Post #2779  (isolation #34)  » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:34 pm

In post 2773, mykonian wrote:
In post 2771, Accountant wrote:It can be used to illustrate how fundamentally absurd someone's argument is from a different perspective


You've failed to see the key change. "Different" became "poor". So where Narna's sentence could easily describe a clash of moral systems, which is a key issue in immigration problems, esspecially with second gen immigrants, UT's "perspective" is mostly just calling Narna a racist. Narna's sentence did not have a judgement on foreign morality, just pointed it out as a source of social conflict. UT's did have the judgement, and it changes the entire argument.

So in this case, it'd have been a lot better if UT had kept his illustration away and actually argued the point being made, in stead of making one up for Narna which he knew he could beat.

oh you're right

I should have just said "why are people from poor countries more prone to crime?"

it was a ridiculous assertion on its face so I really didn't see a need to engage with it as if it wasn't nonsense
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Post Post #2792  (isolation #35)  » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:18 pm

In post 2783, mykonian wrote:
In post 2779, Untrod Tripod wrote:"why are people from poor countries more prone to crime?"


Because they tend to have other issues at the same time. First gen, many don't speak the language. They end up with poorer jobs because of that, but also because why would you take the risk on such a person as an employer? So with less income, such people (already socially vunerable) end up in worse neighbourhoods. This in the country of social seggregation, the whole system is set up to create pockets of hopelessness. And if the situation looks that hopeless, you don't know where you can go for help, because everything is kind of weird, crime is an easier step than for the common man.

And that's first gen. Second gen, your parents don't know the language and you find yourself already taking some responsibilities for the family in a situation where the world is going too fast for the parents. With that responsibility comes increased freedom of actions, in a strange situation where there's one set of morality at home, and the other on the street. That's something we couldn't figure out, sitting here talking casually to another. People haven't figured that out for ages. The step towards crime is again quite a bit easier than for the average person.

Now lets not imagine that if we all just hug people the problem of immigration would go away. It's been a problem since forever and I do understand that it's my blue-and-yellow-stars glasses that I think the way the States treats its minorities exacerbates the problem.

And we could make this whole thread a bunch of namecalling as everybody rushes out to call Narna a racist, but surely we can be better than that? He's not wrong that immigrants create issues. I do fear that's about as much as I can throw Narna, because after that I start to disagree with him. I think there's a flipside to the coin, in that I see historic examples in every era, where a country with a large influx of immigrants prospered in decades after. Hell, how's the USA not the prime example? From the start, but think also the immense economic impact the Asian immigrants as a group have had. Fresh ideas, mixing them up, but also having an influx of people who have an incentive to create a place for themselves, since there is no status quo to hold.

I think seeing the problems and arguing to just not have immigrants then is shortsighted. It'd make the problems go away now, and it'd ruin your economy starting a couple years from now as cheap labour dries up and decades from now as the population gets stale.

The coolest bit though, is Narna's view on immigration policy, and how that compares to the EU. The main difference I see is that the EU has a policy of spreading immigration out, mixing them with the population, while the USA has a habit of keeping people apart and grouped by origin or economic standing. Not by policy, but by lack of one. What I referred to a little above, I feel this exacerbates problems, as it creates pockets of hopelessness, bad neighbourhoods, etc. Now I don't know if Narna got that, but the EU's policy has been standing for years. It's only with the recent increase in immigrants that the system is stretched to the limit and the public problems arise. One notices it, because it has changed. It's news. Sadly the issues with minorities in the states are almost not news anymore. I do believe a change in policy, towards integration, could break you out of deadlocked issues, not now, but maybe in time for your kids.

First of all I never called Narna a racist. The fact that you're jumping to that conclusion says a lot more about you than it does about me. Second your ENTIRE argument is founded on the assumption that immigrants have a higher rate of crime than the general population. Prove it.
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Post Post #2793  (isolation #36)  » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:20 pm

In post 2785, Narna wrote:It's more that I think the muslim refugees will have issues with our religion and morals. Religious values have depreciated in the west, but that's not so much the case in the third world. The islamic faith is also quite hostile to homosexuals and blasphemers.
where is your proof that muslim refugees have a higher rate of crime than the general US population?
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Post Post #2804  (isolation #37)  » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:25 am

Since I don't read Dutch, do you think you could help me out with that chart?

Also, are those numbers are from 2002? Isn't the current wave of immigrants different, demographically speaking?
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Post Post #2805  (isolation #38)  » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:26 am

In post 2801, mykonian wrote:With the recent news it's no longer unknown to you that the police see a higher percentage of crime come from these minorities as a percentage of their size. (which is where part of the problems stem from, btw).
I think it's an issue of poverty, not skin color, when you're talking about increased incidence of crime. At least in the United States.
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Post Post #2833  (isolation #39)  » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:44 pm

In post 2808, T S O wrote:
In post 2782, zoraster wrote:The attacks on multiculturalism kinda reek of white supremacy


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Post Post #2834  (isolation #40)  » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:46 pm

In post 2807, T S O wrote:
In post 2793, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 2785, Narna wrote:It's more that I think the muslim refugees will have issues with our religion and morals. Religious values have depreciated in the west, but that's not so much the case in the third world. The islamic faith is also quite hostile to homosexuals and blasphemers.
where is your proof that muslim refugees have a higher rate of crime than the general US population?


I live in Europe, and Europe is where the migrant crisis has hit first, so this would seem like a good place to start with, rather than the USA. You asked for proof that refugees have a higher rate of crime than the general native population. After a four-second Google search:

Here is an article by the Gatestone Institute explaining the migrant crime rate in Germany.

Here is a wikipedia article about Cologne on New Year's Eve, and the sexual assault of hundreds of German women. An interesting quote from the article: "The German Federal Criminal Police Office said on 9 January that the incidents were a phenomenon known in the Arab World as taharrush gamea in Arabic. Translated as "group sexual harassment in crowds".

Of course, there are more, from websites like Breitbart, but even when Breitbart quotes statistics from Germany's ministries word-for-word it's all clearly lies, so I didn't link those. Even so, these articles are not niche or hard to find. They are on the first page whenever you Google any terms remotely related to migrant crime rate, which leads me to wonder whether you ever searched for evidence of that at all. I'm sure your response will make some reference to their crime rates being higher because they're poor, or because they don't speak English, or something that doesn't specifically discern them as refugees. The point remains that you're importing a group of people who commit crime at a disproportionate rate. It's that simple.

It's possible for someone to see all this evidence and still be for the widespread importation of refugees. Perhaps you're a very altruistic citizen, and you feel the needs of the many refugees must outweighs the needs of the few citizens who get raped or stabbed. But even if you can live with that thought process, which I certainly couldn't, it's intellectually dishonest to try to pretend that refugees are not more prone to crime than the native population of countries like Germany. They are. There are a hundred separate sources saying they are. Common knowledge of how women are treated in the Middle East says they are. It would be nice, though obviously too much to ask, if the left would deign to admit they are as well.

Thanks! I'll read these and see what I think.
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Post Post #2877  (isolation #41)  » Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:38 pm

In post 2874, RadiantCowbells wrote:and IF he does anything he'll make it state rights.
unfortunately it's not up to him if it's legal or not. nor is it up to individual states. saying "states rights" just shows his ignorance
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Post Post #2887  (isolation #42)  » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:04 pm

In post 2878, RadiantCowbells wrote:Donald may make things state problems as opposed to federal problems.
this is an actively bad idea in a lot of civil rights cases
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Post Post #2888  (isolation #43)  » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:05 pm

In post 2881, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2880, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 2878, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't think it's worth electing Clinton to speed that up.

yeah just let people suffer for a bit longer


The poor will suffer forever as long as the government continues to favour the rich at the expense of the poor. I don't think you understand just how poor the poor in America are relative to the poor of the rest of the industrialized world. Shit is really fucking bad over there and LGBT issues are unfortunately small potatoes at the moment FMPOV.
one candidate wants to increase the federal minimum wage to $15/hr and the other wants to keep it very close to where it is so I don't really buy that your concern is about poor folks
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Post Post #2895  (isolation #44)  » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:18 pm

In post 2891, RadiantCowbells wrote:
this is an actively bad idea in a lot of civil rights cases


I am aware that this will lead to lots of abortion bans, some awful curriculum changes, etc.
I just think the price is worth paying.
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Post Post #2930  (isolation #45)  » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:24 am

In post 2928, Wraith wrote:That NYT report is YUGE.

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Post Post #3056  (isolation #46)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:03 pm

In post 3050, GreyICE wrote:
In post 3040, Drench wrote:ok anyway legitimate q do people actually believe clinton's underpinning values have changed significantly since 1992

like not policy platforms but the values underpinning them

Like, 24 years ago? Back before she was first lady, then senator, then Secretary of State?

Man, there's trumpeteers in this thread who weren't even a broken condom in 1992. If her values and beliefs haven't changed at all in that time I'd be fucking disturbed.

Hey I resent that. I was 4.
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Post Post #3353  (isolation #47)  » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:16 pm

*tips freedom*
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Post Post #3398  (isolation #48)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:11 am

In post 2435, Fluminator wrote:
In post 13894, Fluminator wrote:
This was decently interesting.

Also, I posted this in the speakeasy thread, but found it interesting enough to post here as well.
that video was made back in May and his strategy isn't working particularly well in a general election
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Post Post #3672  (isolation #49)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:18 am

what if killing two babies saved like five babies
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Post Post #3677  (isolation #50)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:24 am

In post 3675, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3651, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh my god you guys are repeatedly denying that something that is literally confirmed to be happening.

Why are you mistaking apathy for denial?

Is this the first year you're peeked behind a political curtain? YOu seem really shocked that political strategists are strategizing like they are paid to do. Politics isn't a bunch of people with honorable intentions making speeches about how their policies are the best.

I'm sure the unseen backroom stuff for Trump, Stein, and Johnson are equally as bad.

> implying Jill Stein has a plan
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Post Post #3835  (isolation #51)  » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:52 pm

In post 3833, Accountant wrote:why do people give so much of a shit about the constitution?

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Post Post #3897  (isolation #52)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:47 am

Now someone who isn't a lawyer will come in to huffily say "well actually..." and try to contradict the actual lawyer
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Post Post #3926  (isolation #53)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:03 pm

Hey shotty. Miss you buddy.
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Post Post #4110  (isolation #54)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:18 am

I think it's probably worth remembering that he's a youngish teenager
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Post Post #4113  (isolation #55)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:37 am

In post 4112, Shaziro wrote:I think arguing "oh accountant is a teenager so don't take what he says seriously" is dumb. I think it's insulting to his ability to think complexly and I think that if we just shrug off what he says because "meh it's a teen" he isn't being challenged and made to grow as a person.
it makes the dumb shit he says a lot more understandable

is what I'm saying
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Post Post #4148  (isolation #56)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:27 pm

In post 4139, zoraster wrote:Stop engaging with him.
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Post Post #4155  (isolation #57)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:31 pm

In post 4152, Davsto wrote:wait you said stop engaging nvm
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Post Post #4260  (isolation #58)  » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:56 am

every time I try to read one of his posts I check to see if he's a mastin alt
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Post Post #4264  (isolation #59)  » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:38 am

Holy shit I didn't have an impulse to check that post
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Post Post #4456  (isolation #60)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:25 pm

In post 4450, karnos wrote:
In post 4449, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 4448, karnos wrote:I'd rather go with choice #3, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

Trump is illiterate. That makes him a horrible candidate.


Hillary is a felon. She is not electable.
not to split hairs, but what felony has she been convicted of?
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Post Post #5817  (isolation #61)  » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:23 am

This is a good novelty alt account.
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Post Post #6180  (isolation #62)  » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:43 pm

Let's not get too hyperbolic. He's fine at what he does and his political opinions are completely irrelevant.
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Post Post #6682  (isolation #63)  » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:28 am

In post 6680, Shiro wrote:Capitalism is a system that is right wing economicaly. You said you believe in left economics
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Post Post #7042  (isolation #64)  » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:46 pm

LOLOLOLOLOL BECAUSE LIBERALS ARE REALLY JUST FASCISTS AMIRITE GUYS
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Post Post #7206  (isolation #65)  » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:47 am

In post 7180, Political Clout wrote:
In post 7176, Aeronaut wrote:I agree that the flag should be afforded respect; I don't agree that we should shoot people for being disrespectful.


they are a fucking worthless brainded scumfuck bastard pile of trash mental dickface that should be gunned down in the street like the degenerates they are.

Yes you are a nice and proper liberal who thinks we all have ideas worth sharing I get it you went to a college and learned to empathize and be worldy and considerate and that makes you better than me.
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Post Post #7222  (isolation #66)  » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:22 pm

In post 7219, theplague42 wrote:
In post 7217, Zachstralkita wrote:@garmr it's not just a link. poverty does cause crime, far more than thug culture which by the way, dope dealers and gangbangers stem from poverty. it's not especially surprising that youth with poor parental structure, few limitations, and several destructive opportunities in a low income environment would turn to crime. If your brothers/friends are murdered/in jail/gangbanging who do you have to look to? why should you want to go to school and make an honest living in a society that doesn't give a shit about you, won't pay you like crime can, and thinks you're worthless? when you could sell crack and make $5000 a day? These kids don't have the information that you and I do and very few have the sense to realize the long-term effects of such a lifestyle -- or they don't care about their lives. That is the environment they were born and that's all they know. And it's what their children will know if they don't die. So the cycle continues. It's not as simple as blaming the guns/drugs/thugs. Where did all the guns come from initially? Why did crack become a serious epidemic in the 80s-90s in predominantly black neighborhoods, as if by design? Why did the CIA help traffick cocaine into inner-cities and why are we still feeling repercussions in inner-cities today? Why was the War on Drugs the worst move for American drug policy ever? It's why the illegal drug trade is very profitable and stretches all the way back to the cartels. Why is changing the environment not the focus? Instead we blame the symptoms and don't opt to create solutions. Police treating blacks that way is just another symptom with the resentment on both sides.

Good summary of the POV of myself and I assume many other liberals. Reagan claimed in his classic "We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker." that liberals somehow abandon the idea of personal responsibility, but that's not really true. We would just rather target the root causes of crime, rather than only treat the symptoms. That could entail better schooling, weapons restrictions, affirmative action, marketing role models, increased community engagement with the police, or any number of ideas.
yeah well Reagan was the fucking antichrist so...
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Post Post #7385  (isolation #67)  » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:06 pm

This is what we call "fractal wrongness"
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Post Post #7389  (isolation #68)  » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:27 pm

why is it a good thing?
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Post Post #7391  (isolation #69)  » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:32 pm

that sounds like you think it is a good thing
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Post Post #7424  (isolation #70)  » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:37 am

eh it's just Iran Contra again

it's not sustainable and doesn't change the economic realities that cause manufacturing to go overseas
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Post Post #7425  (isolation #71)  » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:39 am

nor does it do anything to aid the tens of millions of working poor
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Post Post #7435  (isolation #72)  » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:42 pm

In post 7428, karnos wrote:
In post 7425, Untrod Tripod wrote:nor does it do anything to aid the tens of millions of working poor


Do you have any idea how economics works?

Supply & Demand?

Tip: as long as there are millions of non-workers, ready to take your job for minimum wage, you aren't going to be getting a big raise.

The first step is to get more jobs. When workers are valuable rather than a limitless commodity, wages will go up.
it's always funny when the people whose knee jerk reaction to disagreement is to call their opponent ignorant have very little knowledge themselves. I think they call that projection.
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Post Post #7441  (isolation #73)  » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:11 pm

In post 7439, karnos wrote:
In post 7437, theplague42 wrote:The first step is to get more jobs. When workers are valuable rather than a limitless commodity, wages will go up.

It's not that simple.


Please explain to me why a corporation would give a raise to $15/hr, when they have a list of hundreds of applicants willing to work for minimum wage?
yes, it would be nice to change the balance of power between capital and labor

Labor rights, however, are one of those things that make it more profitable to do business overseas
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Post Post #7443  (isolation #74)  » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:14 pm

In post 7441, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 7439, karnos wrote:
In post 7437, theplague42 wrote:The first step is to get more jobs. When workers are valuable rather than a limitless commodity, wages will go up.

It's not that simple.


Please explain to me why a corporation would give a raise to $15/hr, when they have a list of hundreds of applicants willing to work for minimum wage?
yes, it would be nice to change the balance of power between capital and labor

Labor rights, however, are one of those things that make it more profitable to do business overseas

Sorry I edited that post while you responded because it was trite and not helpful
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Post Post #7446  (isolation #75)  » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:44 pm

Would the job increases at american manufacturing companies outweigh the loss of jobs at companies like Wal Mart and Target? Wal Mart would have to change its entire model if they had to offer more expensive products due to tariffs and/or buying american, and they employ a massive amount of people
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Post Post #7448  (isolation #76)  » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:09 pm

food and housing costs will almost certainly increase given increased income, absent government price-freezing
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Post Post #7471  (isolation #77)  » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:04 pm

This is a pretty common tactic

It's called "I hope you don't check my sources"
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Post Post #7474  (isolation #78)  » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:57 pm

Fractal wrongness
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Post Post #7505  (isolation #79)  » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:43 am

In post 7499, karnos wrote:
In post 7498, Showtime wrote:
In post 7495, Garmr wrote:Morally it may be a good thing that china is finally getting told to back off taiwan.


Morally, maybe.

Practically, what it demonstrates - as if it needed any further demonstration - is that Trump has no idea of how international diplomacy works or what affect statements like this will have.


Honestly, all it demonstrates is that you are unable to comprehend Trumps plan, which is pretty much by design.

That fact alone doesn't mean there is any problem with his plan.
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Post Post #7562  (isolation #80)  » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:58 pm

In post 7559, pisskop wrote:We voted for this
a rambling incoherent mess?
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Post Post #7584  (isolation #81)  » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:09 pm

That photo is fucking hysterical
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Post Post #7616  (isolation #82)  » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:10 pm

In post 7615, Accountant wrote:
In post 7610, Sesq wrote:Why are you so trusting of officials?

It's their literal job to make your lives better. If you can't trust them, who can you trust?
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Post Post #7670  (isolation #83)  » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:42 am

In post 7666, Showtime wrote:In other news, I'm trying to stay out of the whole Accountant thing, but I really can't resist:

In post 7656, Accountant wrote:You claim that I am very sheltered and have no idea how the world works. The fact that you consider this to be a weakness is very telling.


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Post Post #7690  (isolation #84)  » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:35 pm

please, please, please, just ignore him
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Post Post #7769  (isolation #85)  » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:23 pm

Professionally
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Post Post #7852  (isolation #86)  » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:08 pm

HAHAHAHA BECAUSE DEMOCRATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS AMIRITE
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Post Post #7858  (isolation #87)  » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:58 pm

considering that there are still societal forces that lock black folks into the cycle of rent-seeking behavior and artificially low wages, I don't think it's fair to claim that black folks are being "put ahead" of you

shit, the fact that my parents own their home was a huge leg up for me, and I'm still going to be at least decade behind on building equity when I'm finally out of the negative territory because it's impossible for me to save money. lots of folks have it worse than me. pulling people out of generational poverty helps us all.
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Post Post #7865  (isolation #88)  » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:10 pm

In post 7860, pisskop wrote:Like why is it so hard to get? Its not about being black or being slaves, Poverty is everywhere.
well I think the argument is that it is more difficult for minorities than for whites to break the cycle of generational poverty because of biases inherent to existing power structures.
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Post Post #7872  (isolation #89)  » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:20 pm

"thug culture"
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Post Post #7969  (isolation #90)  » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:26 am

In post 7959, chamber wrote:
In post 7958, Persivul wrote:I was born white, male and middle class in the US in the 60s. As such, I've had more opportunity than 99%+ of the people who have ever lived. I recognize that and support affirmative action.

The problem is people who equate that position with voting Democrat. Dems have no interest in doing more than paying lip service to helping blacks.

Similarly, I agree that wealth inequality is getting out of hand, and taxing the hell out of the 1% is a good idea. The problem again is equating that position with voting Democrat. The Dems have no interest in taxing the hell out of the 1%, as those are some of their biggest contributors. Why do you think Hillary talked about the basket of deplorables during a fundraiser, rather than taxing the hell out of the wealthy? Because she was addressing a bunch of wealthy contributors. They could feel good about themselves because they weren't deplorable, thereby excusing/avoiding their income inequality.


On race I think you are completely wrong. The democrat's do clearly care about identity politics.

On dealing with the wealth gap, you are 100% right though, neither party gives a shit about that.
ehhhhh addressing economic issues would be the number one thing politicians could do to address social issues, and no one as far as I can see it is doing anything to help wealth inequality that isn't a band aid
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Post Post #8319  (isolation #91)  » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:03 pm

Hoo boy these cabinet picks
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Post Post #8390  (isolation #92)  » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:55 pm

Oh boy
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Post Post #8501  (isolation #93)  » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:59 am

let's just hope Rick Perry can remember where he works now
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Post Post #8534  (isolation #94)  » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:54 pm

Fucking lol
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Post Post #8576  (isolation #95)  » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:07 am

hoo boy
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Post Post #8668  (isolation #96)  » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:52 pm

"blown out"
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Post Post #8815  (isolation #97)  » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:53 pm

nah bro muh freedom
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Post Post #8816  (isolation #98)  » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:59 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/23/politics/ ... d=32719564

"Jason Greenblatt, the executive vice president and chief legal officer for Trump's business empire, will take on the title of special representative for international negotiations. A source familiar with the appointment told CNN that Greenblatt will primarily will be working on Israel-Palestinian peace process, the American relationship with Cuba and trade agreements."

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha stop the ride I want to get off
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Post Post #8827  (isolation #99)  » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:06 pm

By that definition which presidential elections haven't been blowouts?
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Post Post #8905  (isolation #100)  » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:27 pm

In post 8883, pisskop wrote:Im fairly certain the issue is a little deeper than 'you dont like my skydaddy'.

A religion which hereto governed the formation of our laws, the media we injested, it dictated the formation and layout of towns, and it was how we were born (baptized), how we died, and what we did in between. Our holidays, our days of rest, recreation, and bonding, are based around it, and our morale philosophy is stemmed in it.

Its everywhere, or its products are. Even today, when we have divorced the religion from our de facto governments and holidays and educational institutions its effects are still there, and still evident. Everything that the religion was is still there.



The war on religion is a war on (the overwhelming and vast majority of it) Christianity. Its a sick meme that it includes other religions, because for the most part it doesnt (why is not what Im discussing here). But we have this trend of abhorrent rejection of our history in this country, and our history is catholicism.
yeah, no one was an atheist until 1980

it just never happened

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Post Post #8906  (isolation #101)  » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:28 pm

we don't have time. we just don't have time.
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Post Post #8983  (isolation #102)  » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:00 am

In post 8980, pisskop wrote:obummer
I thought only weird comment bots said this
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Post Post #9200  (isolation #103)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:45 am

In post 9174, Psyche wrote:In the aftermath of WWII, Germans were horrified by what their state had done. In the aftermath of the civil war, Southern Whites weren't. What drove the difference? That's actually a really good research question.
I would think the Confederacy saw what it was doing as an attempt to liberate themselves and create a new state, whereas the Germans were trying to be conquerors.
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Post Post #9263  (isolation #104)  » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:02 pm

In post 9252, pisskop wrote:The future is not democracy.
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Post Post #9327  (isolation #105)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:03 pm

wait what's wrong with Dan Carlin?
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Post Post #9337  (isolation #106)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:06 pm

Go go gadget dying of preventable medical issues!
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Post Post #9338  (isolation #107)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:06 pm

Alternatively: go go gadget medical bankruptcy!
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Post Post #9339  (isolation #108)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:12 pm

Anyway, I'd actually be interested to see a score card after 4 years of the jobs Trump "saved"

I'm sure companies will call him out publicly for their firings as well?
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Post Post #9380  (isolation #109)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:29 pm

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Post Post #9388  (isolation #110)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:51 pm

In post 9383, pisskop wrote:I read the article, thinking, what color were they?

'hate crimes', usually the first thing people do is describe who hated what.

Took to the last paragraph :|
Shitlord: NO ONE WILL CALL IT A HATE CRIME THIS IS AN OUTRAGE WHEN BLACK PEOPLE DIE POLICE ARE MURDERED IN RIOTS

News source: *Hate crime*

Shitlord: THEY DIDN'T NAME THE RACES UNTIL THE END OF THE ARTICLE THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

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Post Post #9392  (isolation #111)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:57 pm

In post 9389, pisskop wrote:Le Lul.

Keep defending the double standard.
oh, absolutely, a lot of news sources have a tendency to sensationalize some forms of hate crimes in order to titillate their liberal base.

it was just funny to watch that happen in real time.
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Post Post #9534  (isolation #112)  » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:58 pm

DAMN pisskop tell us how you really feel
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Post Post #9538  (isolation #113)  » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:02 pm

I also love the assumption there that people who benefit from any kind of affirmative action are "worth" less

~comedy~
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Post Post #9540  (isolation #114)  » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:03 pm

In post 9517, pisskop wrote:when you cant raise the lower class you destroy the upper
thats how you get equality.


if youre a shameless progressivist
also this

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Post Post #9690  (isolation #115)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:10 pm

what if the poisoned m&m killed white supremacists alt-right people?
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Post Post #9695  (isolation #116)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:27 pm

In post 9691, karnos wrote:
In post 9690, Untrod Tripod wrote:what if the poisoned m&m killed white supremacists alt-right people?


What do you mean "if"? Here is one situation where it already happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orla ... b_shooting
is this an example of when you say something dumb on purpose to "show me" that I'm being dumb?
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Post Post #9714  (isolation #117)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:47 pm

Do you think that all immigration to the US has been bad historically? If not, when did it start being bad?
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Post Post #9728  (isolation #118)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:18 pm

I think alcohol, smoking, driving etc. deaths feel a lot different in abstract because they seem closer to being self inflicted?
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Post Post #9729  (isolation #119)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:19 pm

In post 9727, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Guns in the right hands can save a life. The analogy doesn't hold for that reason.
I wonder how many deaths or life-changing injuries guns prevent compared to how many they shift onto a "guilty" party

That's probably a really interesting stat
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Post Post #9739  (isolation #120)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:27 pm

In post 9731, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Not if you're being assaulted by a drunk person while you yourself are sober, not if you get hit by a car due to road rage or incompetence, not if you suffer from 2nd hand smoke as a child growing up with smoking parents. Take the islamic terrorist that attacked Ohio State with a car and a knife, he got shot in under one minute before he could harm anyone else.
okay... but I'm saying that comparing alcohol deaths to gun deaths feels wrong because most people who die as a direct result of alcohol do it in a self-inflicted way
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Post Post #9743  (isolation #121)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:30 pm

In post 9740, karnos wrote:The good outweighs the bad
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Post Post #9778  (isolation #122)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:46 am

the US economy added 156k jobs in December

are we crediting all that to Trump, or just the ones he tweets about?
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Post Post #9792  (isolation #123)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:29 am

In post 9784, karnos wrote:
In post 9778, Untrod Tripod wrote:the US economy added 156k jobs in December

are we crediting all that to Trump, or just the ones he tweets about?


If you want to link to the articles supporting this, we could talk about it. As it is, I have no idea what jobs you are talking about , there is no context, so can't answer your question.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
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Post Post #9795  (isolation #124)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:16 pm

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Post Post #9797  (isolation #125)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:19 pm

seriously though, what context do you want?
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Post Post #9799  (isolation #126)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:30 pm

what's the ideal way to regulate it, though? you can't just throw your hands up in the air and say "oh it'll just become illegal if we do anything". and there's tangible benefit from having some restriction on who can own a handgun. what's the best way to have some regulation but prevent the slippery slope?
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Post Post #9804  (isolation #127)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:46 pm

In post 9801, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 9799, Untrod Tripod wrote:what's the ideal way to regulate it, though? you can't just throw your hands up in the air and say "oh it'll just become illegal if we do anything". and there's tangible benefit from having some restriction on who can own a handgun. what's the best way to have some regulation but prevent the slippery slope?


I'd rather keep government out of most things, not regulate more and more.
does that mean you'd prefer to have none?
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Post Post #9806  (isolation #128)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:47 pm

In post 9803, karnos wrote:
In post 9799, Untrod Tripod wrote: and there's tangible benefit from having some restriction on who can own a handgun.


No, there really isn't.
non-citizens? people who have been convicted of a violent felony? minors? the mentally handicapped?
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Post Post #9807  (isolation #129)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:49 pm

In post 9805, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Not none. Just keep things from getting more regulated.
right, I'm asking what you think the ideal mechanism for that is
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Post Post #9811  (isolation #130)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:52 pm

In post 9802, karnos wrote:
In post 9797, Untrod Tripod wrote:seriously though, what context do you want?


Lets see.

When I linked the Ford article, you had quotes from Ford executives saying they are creating these jobs due to Trump, you have tweets from Trump talking about creating the jobs, you have the article title saying that Trump saved the jobs.

In your article, we have some raw stats... and no mention of who is responsible for creating these jobs, why, or even if it's a newsworthy thing- maybe these jobs are just part of the normal growth, who knows? There is no context.
well, if you're looking for some kind of "Person A 'created' these jobs" quote, that doesn't really exist
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Post Post #9817  (isolation #131)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:59 pm

I said handguns for a reason. Currently, restrictions in most places on handguns are stricter than rifles or shotguns. The most recent FBI data has handguns responsible for 68 percent of gun-related murders (with an additional 24 percent as "Not Stated". If you were going to try to use any kind of restriction, you would start at handguns.



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Post Post #9819  (isolation #132)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:03 pm

In post 9816, karnos wrote:
In post 9811, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 9802, karnos wrote:
In post 9797, Untrod Tripod wrote:seriously though, what context do you want?


Lets see.

When I linked the Ford article, you had quotes from Ford executives saying they are creating these jobs due to Trump, you have tweets from Trump talking about creating the jobs, you have the article title saying that Trump saved the jobs.

In your article, we have some raw stats... and no mention of who is responsible for creating these jobs, why, or even if it's a newsworthy thing- maybe these jobs are just part of the normal growth, who knows? There is no context.
well, if you're looking for some kind of "Person A 'created' these jobs" quote, that doesn't really exist


That is the point.

Some jobs are just created organically. Some jobs are created because Trump made a phone call.

Organically created jobs shouldn't be applied to Obama if he had nothing to do with their creation.
and the point I am making is that despite all of the fanfare about Trump "saving" jobs, it is a very small percentage of current organic job growth. And I wasn't crediting it to Obama, so let's just drop that whole argument before it even starts.
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Post Post #9824  (isolation #133)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:09 pm

In post 9820, karnos wrote:
In post 9817, Untrod Tripod wrote:I said handguns for a reason. Currently, restrictions in most places on handguns are stricter than rifles or shotguns. The most recent FBI data has handguns responsible for 68 percent of gun-related murders (with an additional 24 percent as "Not Stated". If you were going to try to use any kind of restriction, you would start at handguns.



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The problem is that the vast majority of weapons used to commit violent crimes are not legally owned.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... es-commit/

You have 100 people using illegally obtained guns to commit crime, and 5 people using legally purchased guns. You put a ton of restrictions on buying guns, now those 5 people who legally purchased guns to use in crime either have to jump over a few more hurdles to get their guns, or they just turn to the black market like everyone else.

OTOH, you just made life harder for every legit legal gun owner, for absolutely zero gain in safety.
okay, but do you think there is an acceptable amount of restriction on who can own a handgun?
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Post Post #9827  (isolation #134)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:12 pm

when I last purchased a handgun, I had to pass a background check and a mental health check with the Sheriff. Since there was nothing on my record, it took almost no time at all, the whole process from walking into the Sheriff office to walking out of the gun store was about 90 minutes. I guess I don't have any personal experience with what it's like if you're in a restricted group but you're otherwise lawful, so I can't speak from experience there. But, from my personal experience, it seemed like a reasonable process?
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Post Post #9839  (isolation #135)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:44 pm

In post 9832, karnos wrote:
In post 9824, Untrod Tripod wrote:okay, but do you think there is an acceptable amount of restriction on who can own a handgun?


You need to be more specific.

Example: I would find a 'minimum owner's age of 6 years old' restriction acceptable, but I am assuming that is not what you are talking about.
I was asking what you thought
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Post Post #10030  (isolation #136)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:55 pm

I sure am excited for Trump taking credit for every good thing that happens in the next four years and blaming every bad thing on other people
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Post Post #10032  (isolation #137)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:00 pm

this whole "is Trump a bad person!?!?!" thing is a smokescreen

you don't have to be a good person to be an effective leader
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Post Post #10041  (isolation #138)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:07 pm

In post 10038, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Sessions confirmation going swimmingly :D love that guy
his views on marijuana are what I find most concerning, but people seem more concerned with making him look racist based on old quotes

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Post Post #10045  (isolation #139)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:21 pm

isn't the AG responsible for the feds taking action against people in states that legalized it?
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Post Post #10046  (isolation #140)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:22 pm

In post 10044, Albert B. Rampage wrote:He fought against the KKK to get them the maximum allowable sentence. Doesn't get much less racist than that.
ehhhhhh that's not really necessarily true. the KKK was committing murder, not just being racist

regardless it's a good thing he did
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Post Post #10052  (isolation #141)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:48 pm

oh, net neutrality?

lol what a clusterfuck

haven't you heard it's Obamacare for the Internet
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Post Post #10237  (isolation #142)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:32 pm

In post 10234, karnos wrote:
In post 10232, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 10230, karnos wrote:so poor they can't vote.
why should you have to buy something to vote?


Polling station won't let you inside naked. you have to buy clothes to vote. Clothing requirements are racist!

Why should you have to wear clothes to vote?!
public decency laws?
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Post Post #10267  (isolation #143)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:18 pm

In post 10263, karnos wrote:
In post 10256, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 10234, karnos wrote:
In post 10232, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 10230, karnos wrote:so poor they can't vote.
why should you have to buy something to vote?


Polling station won't let you inside naked. you have to buy clothes to vote. Clothing requirements are racist!

Why should you have to wear clothes to vote?!

so now you're equating the need for clothing with a time/monetary investment that has no other use
good logic there


"A driver's license or ID has no other use except for voting" - shaft.ed

This is the ignorance of a liberal, folks.
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Post Post #10275  (isolation #144)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:06 pm

see this is why we should just all be issued IDs

then it'd be a moot point and no one would have an excuse for not having government ID
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Post Post #10293  (isolation #145)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:25 pm

In post 10287, Accountant wrote:wait I hate racism and all but what does crack/powder cocaine have to do with race
cocaine is a rich person drug
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Post Post #10355  (isolation #146)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:18 am

In post 10352, karnos wrote:CNN & BuzzFeed actually thought the above was real news.
...that's a joke, right?
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Post Post #10371  (isolation #147)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:34 pm

wait, when was the original thing confirmed as fake?
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Post Post #10426  (isolation #148)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:52 pm

In post 10413, karnos wrote:Only the stupidest of idiots would lie about something that could be verified so easily.


http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

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Post Post #10458  (isolation #149)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:02 pm

In post 10455, zoraster wrote:why is he playing chess?
isn't it obvious
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Post Post #10472  (isolation #150)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:25 am

I take it all back, this election was a success after all
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Post Post #10591  (isolation #151)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:51 am

I'd prefer universal health care to universal insurance, but hey
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Post Post #10631  (isolation #152)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:29 pm

In post 10622, Davsto wrote:
In post 10603, karnos wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4001266/The-victim-Merkel-s-welcome-culture-Death-teenager-raped-murdered-Afghan-migrant-Germany-sparks-protests-latest-backlash-against-open-door-policy.html

The savage rape and murder of a beautiful 19-year-old medical student in Germany at the hands of a teenage Afghan refugee has sparked a frenzied backlash against the 'open door' asylum policy of Chancellor Angela Merkel.

"There is nothing anybody could have done!"

Well, yeah: you could just not go in the pool (i.e., stop taking on refugees)

Ahahahahahaha using the daily mail as if it's a legitimate source ahahahahahaha you tickle me in so many ways, none of them right
...are you arguing that DM made the story up, or...?
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Post Post #10635  (isolation #153)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:46 pm

it is however a bad argument to dismiss a news item out of hand because a source is openly partisan

the political leaning of the Daily Mail has no bearing on whether or not the attack actually happened
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Post Post #10689  (isolation #154)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:07 pm

hadn't seen that website before. that was a weird place that I will continue lurking at for a while....
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Post Post #10830  (isolation #155)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:10 am

the only solution, clearly, is for daily identification checks with the proper authorities
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Post Post #10912  (isolation #156)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:09 pm

In post 10911, karnos wrote:
In post 10908, Annadog40 wrote:Wouldn't it be imperative to make jobs that can't be taken over by a robot a few years later?


All jobs can be taken over by robots.
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Post Post #10973  (isolation #157)  » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:47 pm

So I wonder what the status of net neutrality will be during this administration

I'm not optimistic
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Post Post #11026  (isolation #158)  » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:18 pm

I don't think she would have been able to be pardoned in the first place, though? Is the president able to preemptively pardon someone?
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Post Post #11057  (isolation #159)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:55 pm

In post 11055, karnos wrote:Until you can prove it's fake, we have assume it's true
why?
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Post Post #11059  (isolation #160)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:59 pm

or wait, is he doing that thing again?
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Post Post #11064  (isolation #161)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:39 pm

it's super gross to me to see people who were outraged by people getting sucker punched at Trump events celebrating neonazis being suckerpunched

but hey, there's both left and right wing authoritarianism
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Post Post #11066  (isolation #162)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:51 pm

also, all of references to "America first!" in the inauguration address reminded me of something

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Party_(2002)

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Post Post #11087  (isolation #163)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:01 pm

"Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of manipulation through persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying in an attempt to destabilize and delegitimize a target. Its intent is to sow seeds of doubt in the targets, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity."
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Post Post #11096  (isolation #164)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:15 pm

well there's also being an enthusiastic supporter of fascism
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Post Post #11098  (isolation #165)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:16 pm

yep, that authoritarian right wing philosophy. it's hilarious.
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Post Post #11101  (isolation #166)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:26 pm

In post 11100, Sesq wrote:authoritarian?

where?

"Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum."

somewhere around word 7
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Post Post #11103  (isolation #167)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:29 pm

okay
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Post Post #11122  (isolation #168)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:35 pm

In post 11116, Sesq wrote:regressive left
tone that down if you want to have a convincing ruse
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Post Post #11196  (isolation #169)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:20 am

In post 11150, CommKnight wrote:I mean you have people here talking down to me and the others. I'm here warning you right now. The centrists that have leaned right, they're slowly being picked up and joining the ranks of the right. The number of neo-nazis and people who actually think segregation should return is rising. You've been warned before that Trump would win, I'm telling you now if things keep going the way they're going, you will see how a real Nazi-Germany looks. Some Trump supporters are trying to explain themselves out and you know what, they keep getting talked down to, they keep getting ignored. There's going to come a day they stop trying to share their stories of harassment and when that day comes, be ready for the storm afterward.
...so you're saying Trump suporters are latent nazis...?
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Post Post #11199  (isolation #170)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:26 am

despite our obvious differences that's goal I can respect
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Post Post #11205  (isolation #171)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:36 am

this certainly is a productive conversation that is happening
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Post Post #11217  (isolation #172)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:05 pm

"If we're going to keep referring to the press secretary in those types of terms I think we're going to have to rethink our relationship here," she said.

can you imagine if the Obama administration had said this. holy mother of god.
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Post Post #11219  (isolation #173)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:08 pm

shades of "the reality based community"
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Post Post #11230  (isolation #174)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:39 pm

do we know for sure that they didn't send someone around to pick up the trash or that they put it the trash where large-waste collection goes?
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Post Post #11291  (isolation #175)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:02 pm

yeah unfortunately you can't publicly have any kind of nuanced discussion about Islam at this point in time

or be wrong

or whatever

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Post Post #11313  (isolation #176)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:13 pm

you're right, people should just agree with you about all things because you sure demolished an argument no one was making
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Post Post #11446  (isolation #177)  » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:13 pm

from the AP:

An Agriculture Department research agency has banned the release of news releases, photos and other material to the public.

In a memo to employees at USDA’s Agricultural Research Service, chief of staff Sharon Drumm said the agency would immediately cease releasing any “public-facing” documents.

“This includes, but is not limited to, news releases, photos, fact sheets, news feeds, and social media content,” read the email memo obtained by The Associated Press.

A statement released by ARS spokesman Christopher Bentley said the agency “values and is committed to maintaining the free flow of information between our scientists and the American public as we strive to find solutions to agricultural problems affecting America.”

The statement said some material would still be available on the agency’s website.
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Post Post #11506  (isolation #178)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:38 am

In post 11497, karnos wrote:lie
the preferred nomenclature is "alternative fact"
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Post Post #11512  (isolation #179)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:03 am

In post 11508, karnos wrote:
In post 11506, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 11497, karnos wrote:lie
the preferred nomenclature is "alternative fact"


:lol:
Regardless of anyone's political affiliations, I hope America can come together as one to agree that "alternative fact" was really, really silly
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Post Post #11522  (isolation #180)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:43 am

which wall, the one that American taxpayers are going to pay for?
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Post Post #11524  (isolation #181)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:44 am

I think the issue for most people was that we DID think Trump would do things
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Post Post #11526  (isolation #182)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:45 am

also, am I remembering wrong that TSO lives in Europe?
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Post Post #11530  (isolation #183)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:49 am

In post 11528, T S O wrote:You're remembering goddamn right. But I identify as trans-American, and if you don't support me then you're a fucking bigot.
nice

echoing the above. are you considering a move to the US now that Trump is president?
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Post Post #11616  (isolation #184)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:44 am

In post 11613, T S O wrote:Mexico is going to pay for the wall. At the very least, it will be 50/50.
Right now, the plan Trump is talking about is for the US to pay for it and then get 100% reimbursed by Mexico

DAVID MUIR: Are you going to direct U.S. funds to pay for this wall? Will American taxpayers pay for the wall?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Ultimately it'll come out of what's happening with Mexico. We're gonna be starting those negotiations relatively soon. And we will be in a form reimbursed by Mexico which I will say …

DAVID MUIR: So, they'll pay us back?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yeah, absolutely, 100 percent.

DAVID MUIR: So, the American taxpayer will pay for the wall at first?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: All it is, is we'll be reimbursed at a later date from whatever transaction we make from Mexico. Now, I could wait a year and I could hold off the wall. But I wanna build the wall. We have to build the wall. We have to stop drugs from pouring in. We have to stop people from just pouring into our country. We have no idea where they're from. And I campaigned on the wall. And it's very important. But that wall will cost us nothing.
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Post Post #11633  (isolation #185)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:11 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcri ... d=45047602

I had a massive amount of people here. They were showing pictures that were very unflattering, as unflattering -- from certain angles -- that were taken early and lots of other things. I'll show you a picture later if you’d like of a massive crowd.

In terms of a total audience including television and everything else that you have we had supposedly the biggest crowd in history. The audience watching the show. And I think you would even agree to that. They say I had the biggest crowd in the history of inaugural speeches

in terms of talking points, saying that it includes remote viewing is defensible, if unverifiable
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Post Post #11656  (isolation #186)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:10 pm

In post 11653, karnos wrote:Your citizens are illegally crossing the border in droves

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/m ... o-the-u-s/
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Post Post #11690  (isolation #187)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:40 pm

In post 11682, Psyche wrote:like, even now there are probably taxes or other funds flowing in from mexico
maybe not a net positive flow, but a flow
what really stops trump from increasing those even marginally and earmarking the added yearly amount for the wall?

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Post Post #11706  (isolation #188)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:38 pm

Let's not give credence to the fantasy that the President runs the economy
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Post Post #11723  (isolation #189)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:55 am

noooooooooo don't start talking about gamergate noooooooooooooooooo
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Post Post #11725  (isolation #190)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:59 am

In post 11724, Annadog40 wrote:Why is everything gate?
it's about ethics in overreacting to everything :(
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Post Post #11726  (isolation #191)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:05 am

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Post Post #11755  (isolation #192)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:55 pm

In post 11751, karnos wrote:Sheep
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Post Post #11789  (isolation #193)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:02 pm

Staaaaaaaaahp
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Post Post #11801  (isolation #194)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:30 pm

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Post Post #11882  (isolation #195)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:32 pm

Everyone who disagrees with me is a sheep, and other really smart arguments
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Post Post #12094  (isolation #196)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:47 am

In post 12092, Garmr wrote:I wouldn't use the term man child for people that dislike her veiws and debate against them. Manchild for me would be people known for there hissy fits and being so angry all the time or people who say they don't care about a topic and then proceed to show different.

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Post Post #12101  (isolation #197)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:04 pm

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Post Post #12103  (isolation #198)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:39 pm

I'm not sure I like the implication here, sir
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Post Post #12309  (isolation #199)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:52 am

In post 12306, Psyche wrote:Mr. Brain, if you look at the part of politifact mentioned in this image, its sourcing is not a donald trump tweet but a bill o'reilly interview. Even if Donald said the exact same thing in the interview, this image doesn't do the work of showing that politifact was wrong at all.
the process of watching people gradually discredit all of the fact checking websites has been really fascinating to watch
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