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Post Post #19089  (isolation #0)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:35 pm

In post 19078, YellowSnow wrote:I'm undecided on 2020. I know the economy is strong and personally I am better off financially than I have been at any other time in my life. I don't know that I can attribute that to Trump but I don't know that I want to change captains either. Also I tend to be conservative economically and liberal socially. Not sure I agree with Warren and Sanders on their tax proposals in principle. On the other hand I know it sucks to be a minority or woman under the Trump regime.


Why do you not agree with them on the tax proposals?

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Post Post #19094  (isolation #1)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:51 pm

In post 19092, YellowSnow wrote:Don't agree on robin hood economics.


It’s not really Robin Hood economics. The wealth disparity in this country is ridiculous. Wages, benefits, and a decent standard of living have been slowly plucked away from people for decades now and it’s finally become too much. This isn’t thievery for charity, it’s resetting a balance that’s gotten absolutely out of hand. I’m fine with millionaires and even billionaires, but not while the median American is struggling the way they are now. How much wealth and power are people allowed to consolidate before asking for change doesn’t become Robin Hood economics?

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Post Post #19097  (isolation #2)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:59 pm

In post 19097, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think you should be penalized for being wealthy. We live in the largest economy in the world and the "average american" is better off than a good portion of the rest of the world and the rich shouldn't feel guilty or punished for success.


They’re not penalized for being wealthy.

Do you believe in a flat tax?

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Post Post #19105  (isolation #3)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:16 pm

In post 19102, Creature wrote:There should be a balance. Progressive tax is okay as long it doesn't get to the point of hindering the economy.


I’d argue the current tax rate is hindering the economy. Not the stock market but the health of the nation overall. Eventually your middle class burns through discretionary income.

And... I don’t even know what yellow snow is on about. Our top bracket is higher than 20%.

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Post Post #19110  (isolation #4)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:29 pm

The people who make that much have made it off the backs of working class people pretty much every time.

And that’s fine, society shouldn’t be inherently equal.

But I don’t see how it’s only thieving when the poor do it to the rich, but when the rich slowly erode away safety nets, worker rights, and a thriving middle class it’s all the sudden justified.

Real wages have fallen so much while the top bracket continues to explode with growth. Most families have two people working a job to get by, and the fact they have an iPhone and a fridge does not make up for that.

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Post Post #19112  (isolation #5)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:31 pm

Eventually this is going to collapse in on itself, as the more strapped the middle class is the harder companies have to work to get their products out the door. Progressive tax isn’t a penalty it’s an investment in the workforce and insurance against civil upending.

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Post Post #19115  (isolation #6)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:33 pm

In post 19112, YellowSnow wrote:Because of statements like "no one wants to punish the rich".


It’s not a penalty, it’s taxes. They’re still making plenty of money, I promise. No one is living on the margins at $1mil a year.

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Post Post #19119  (isolation #7)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:34 pm

In post 19114, Creature wrote:I would be pretty pissed if I was being taxed more than 70% of my income.


They’re only taxed that rate once they hit that bracket.

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Post Post #19120  (isolation #8)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:36 pm

Also, since the last tax overhaul the stock market has been sideways. It’s all a house of cards if the average American isn’t able to get by and have a little extra, and it always will be.

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Post Post #19123  (isolation #9)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:39 pm

In post 19122, Creature wrote:
In post 19118, Psyche wrote:
In post 19114, Creature wrote:I would be pretty pissed if I was being taxed more than 70% of my income.

the proposed 70% rate is marginal
do you know what that means

Yes, profit. I don't think anyone would have a 10 million dollars wage anyway.


Which is why capital gains tax needs reformed too. Put it in brackets.

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Post Post #19124  (isolation #10)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:40 pm

In post 19123, YellowSnow wrote:Unemployment is at a historical low, don't you think having a job helps your income?


Lol

If that job isn’t even enough for you to get by or actually build wealth, then no, it doesn’t matter does it? Which is my point about wage disparity.

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Post Post #19126  (isolation #11)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:44 pm

Rich people, effectively, make huge money selling things and services to a huge amount of people.

If there aren’t a huge amount of people with discretionary income to buy those things it falls in on itself.

Taxes help offset that disparity by providing a safety net and an opportunity to grow.

Without my dads VA college benefits, I’d still be in a single wide trailer doing nothing of use for the economy.

Meanwhile my 18 year old sister will have a $500 a month student loan payment. Good luck selling her stuff!

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Post Post #19127  (isolation #12)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:45 pm

In post 19126, Creature wrote:
In post 19124, Slaxx wrote:
In post 19122, Creature wrote:
In post 19118, Psyche wrote:
In post 19114, Creature wrote:I would be pretty pissed if I was being taxed more than 70% of my income.

the proposed 70% rate is marginal
do you know what that means

Yes, profit. I don't think anyone would have a 10 million dollars wage anyway.


Which is why capital gains tax needs reformed too. Put it in brackets.

Considering I could've gained a profit of 10 million dollars, losing 7 million is already pretty saddening. Increase that ammount and you'll see good people giving up about growing their business while bad people finding ways to tax fraud.


Actually, as in the days of Eisenhower, that high tax rate encourages people to actually put it back into their business since the cut they got wasn’t as much.

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Post Post #19129  (isolation #13)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:47 pm

I’m not even saying this as a moral argument.

I’m telling you that as wealth disparity increases that the system falls in on itself. We are heading in the wrong direction, and a tax is a good correction. A poor middle class tanks the economy. Every time.

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Post Post #19132  (isolation #14)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:49 pm

In post 19132, YellowSnow wrote:Historically communist nations have a history of falling on itself while capitalist nations grow exponentially.


A progressive tax is far from communism.

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Post Post #19135  (isolation #15)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:50 pm

In post 19131, Creature wrote:
In post 19125, Slaxx wrote:
In post 19123, YellowSnow wrote:Unemployment is at a historical low, don't you think having a job helps your income?


Lol

If that job isn’t even enough for you to get by or actually build wealth, then no, it doesn’t matter does it? Which is my point about wage disparity.

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I don't care that much if someone is gaining billions. I care if someone is getting enough to survive and self-develop themselves.


They aren’t, friend.

Getting by, maybe, developing themselves... maybe going in to debt to do it.

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Post Post #19140  (isolation #16)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:54 pm

In post 19138, Creature wrote:
In post 19130, Slaxx wrote:I’m not even saying this as a moral argument.

I’m telling you that as wealth disparity increases that the system falls in on itself. We are heading in the wrong direction, and a tax is a good correction. A poor middle class tanks the economy. Every time.

Cool, I want lower taxes for middle class too. Though, I don't want to tax the rich more because I know we'll end paying their tax if we tax them more. Government should do cuts.


No, they should just actually staff the IRS and focus on getting money from the wealthy people who owe it.

And trust me, the government should be streamlined. Oh how I know it should. I think actual cuts aren’t necessary.

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Post Post #19143  (isolation #17)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:57 pm

Yeah the fact communism was brought up with a progressive tax rate is like

Wut

I have to say I like Creature though, I can at least hold a discussion there.

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Post Post #19144  (isolation #18)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:57 pm

Tulsi is expected to drop out Creature :P

Campaign manager on the way out rumor has it

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Post Post #19147  (isolation #19)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:59 pm

In post 19146, Psyche wrote:creature is worse


I’d argue he’s just worse because he’s better

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Post Post #19152  (isolation #20)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:26 pm

In post 19151, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 19148, Slaxx wrote:
In post 19146, Psyche wrote:creature is worse


I’d argue he’s just worse because he’s better

do you have any idea how many times marginal tax rates have been described to Creature?


Uh

Four?

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Post Post #19156  (isolation #21)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:04 pm

In post 19154, Psyche wrote:btw hi slaxx aint seen you in a while pls stay also how did you know about gabbard where do you get news


I saw it on 538. They discussed what each potential candidate was doing.

They sourced from WaPo I thiiink but not for sure.

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Post Post #19157  (isolation #22)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:05 pm

In post 19156, Creature wrote:
In post 19145, Slaxx wrote:Tulsi is expected to drop out Creature :P

Campaign manager on the way out rumor has it

Oh, Tulsi had me interested.

Also good to see you Psyche!

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Post Post #19158  (isolation #23)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:05 pm

No clue why I quoted that.

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Post Post #19174  (isolation #24)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:14 pm

I think it’s hilarious we even have to discuss whether to feel sorry for someone that gets to keep $3 million dollars while Americans dig themselves into debt to pay for tuition and live shorter lives because of poor access to healthcare.

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Post Post #19175  (isolation #25)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:14 pm

Nothing about that is hilarious actually

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Post Post #19220  (isolation #26)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:55 pm

In post 19208, YellowSnow wrote:Unpopular with liberal websites...


You're clearly not interested in good faith discussion.

I mean really, three out of the last five presidents were Republican? What kind of ass backwards metric is that? You don't get to choose when to stop in a sample, first of all. That is like, so damn far from how any honest argument is constructed. Second of all, I am fairly sure you are privy to the fact that of those presidents that two won without the popular vote. Third, as others mentioned, you are using historical data to try to argue the popularity of fairly, at least to the mainstream, new ideas in the US.

I absolutely refuse to believe you're interested in actually understanding another point of view, so why front? Just say you're mind isn't going to be changed and leave it at that. Don't waste people's time.

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Post Post #19236  (isolation #27)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:44 am

In post 19226, Kublai Khan wrote:Slaxx is awesome.


<3

Missed ya

Glad to see you’re still around

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Post Post #19237  (isolation #28)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:44 am

In post 19236, Panzerjager wrote:
In post 19231, Psyche wrote:yeah well i imagine ur not from the south


Yeah, never even been to the south or the middle of the country.


I live in Indiana, which somehow embodies both.

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Post Post #19416  (isolation #29)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:39 pm

inb4 someone misunderstands affirmative action

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Post Post #19490  (isolation #30)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:19 pm

In post 19487, T-Bone wrote:Halp, straight white males are a minority on mafiascum.


I feel so oppressed.

Welp, better go back to the real world where my gender, sexuality, and race all give me an edge in a lopsided system. I don’t know if that will make up for mafiascum not being more uniform, but dammit, it’s worth a try.

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Post Post #19491  (isolation #31)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:20 pm

I get you were joking T I’m just playing along.

Realized for those who don’t know me they might take that comment seriously.

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Post Post #19611  (isolation #32)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:18 pm

Oh.... expecting all people of a race to be homogenous in their opinions...

You’re tipping your cards here.

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Post Post #19621  (isolation #33)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:34 pm

In post 19621, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19620, Flubbernugget wrote:What happens when a white person and a black person share opinions?


We live in a brave new world.


...wow

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Post Post #19625  (isolation #34)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:47 pm

The whole point of protest is for it not to be a good time to protest.

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Post Post #19626  (isolation #35)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:48 pm

“Excuse me sir or mam I’ve got some grievances about how minorities in this country continue to be treated and I would like to schedule a time when you are free and couldn’t possibly be doing anything else in a location that won’t even remotely be out of your way, would you like to hear the ploy of my people?”

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Post Post #19628  (isolation #36)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:49 pm

In post 19628, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 19621, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19620, Flubbernugget wrote:What happens when a white person and a black person share opinions?


We live in a brave new world.

This is fucking garbage.


Yes, it’s concentrated bullshit. So many implications in such a backhanded way.

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Post Post #19632  (isolation #37)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:05 pm

Technically you’re right to my knowledge, the NFL could fire them.

But that would only be the case if enough fans boycotted or complain.

So one group of people is protesting a very real issue and risking their career, while the other doesn’t want their bubble popped by pregame antics.

And society is split on who should give.

The whole concept proves the point.

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Post Post #19663  (isolation #38)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:38 pm

There’s no way he wins.

Republicans are behind Trump. The New England Republican doesn’t exist outside of Collins and the governors.

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Post Post #19664  (isolation #39)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:39 pm

And I’m cool with that brand of republicanism. It’s more of a progressive libertarianism.

Anyone who read the 538 article on him this morning knows I’m basically parroting what they wrote but I do think it has merit.

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Post Post #19666  (isolation #40)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:43 pm

If the party was more like Weld I would probably have at least a few crossover votes here and there.

Idk if a divided primary does much to or for trump.

I think his cult or personality benefits from having an enemy.

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Post Post #19669  (isolation #41)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:50 pm

Yeah shaking up Washington is big right now.

People feel left behind. Obama won on change. Trump won on tearing shit down. The next person will have to be anti-establishment. It’s in vogue even if no one ever actually commits to it.

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Post Post #19682  (isolation #42)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:49 pm

In post 19671, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 19665, Slaxx wrote:And I’m cool with that brand of republicanism. It’s more of a progressive libertarianism.

nothing in Collins voting record says progressive libertarianism


Nah Susan Collins isn’t really the New England Republican I had in mind.

I’m thinking more blue state governors.

Collins specifically did one of the most despicable things a senator has ever done with that kavanaugh speech.

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Post Post #19707  (isolation #43)  » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:33 pm

In post 19705, Psyche wrote:really liked that observation someone made that the core of rep's defense in this situation is "the man at donald trump's side has very reliably and very transparently been a scumbag for his entire public career"


And also deputy chair of the RNC

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Post Post #19708  (isolation #44)  » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:34 pm

Book deals, Boxes, Battlestar Galactica.

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Post Post #19714  (isolation #45)  » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:25 am

They call me Matt Calamari sometimes

Or they did once

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Post Post #19781  (isolation #46)  » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:05 pm

In post 19777, Creature wrote:Image


Which one's the bigger clown?

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Post Post #19887  (isolation #47)  » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:09 pm

So, Muellers team doesn’t seem happy with Barr?

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Post Post #19897  (isolation #48)  » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:34 pm

Who even is George Washington really

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Post Post #19902  (isolation #49)  » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:01 pm

In post 19901, schadd_ wrote:isnt he the peanut guy


No that’s Jimmy Eat World, the guy who sings about Cheeseburgers.

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Post Post #19995  (isolation #50)  » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:24 pm

I feel like Citations Needed might be close. They’re more left than liberal and are... a fairly investigative podcast? They interview local organizers and experts and stay pretty close to the source material. I’m not for sure what your bar is here.

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Post Post #20009  (isolation #51)  » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:28 pm

Anyone have any good data on whether money generates political enthusiasm as opposed to just measuring it?


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