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Post Post #19078  (isolation #0)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:57 pm

I'm undecided on 2020. I know the economy is strong and personally I am better off financially than I have been at any other time in my life. I don't know that I can attribute that to Trump but I don't know that I want to change captains either. Also I tend to be conservative economically and liberal socially. Not sure I agree with Warren and Sanders on their tax proposals in principle. On the other hand I know it sucks to be a minority or woman under the Trump regime.

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Post Post #19081  (isolation #1)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:12 pm

Yeah but progressive economic policies didn't really help during Obama and I don't think you can just arbitrarily assign all good outcomes to democrats and all bad outcomes to republicans.

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Post Post #19086  (isolation #2)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:17 pm

This falls under the "government is a good thing" theory I suppose.

Obamacare was not progressive I assume.

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Post Post #19092  (isolation #3)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:41 pm

Don't agree on robin hood economics.

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Post Post #19094  (isolation #4)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:49 pm

So at what point is the equality considered equitable then?

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Post Post #19097  (isolation #5)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:55 pm

I don't think you should be penalized for being wealthy. We live in the largest economy in the world and the "average american" is better off than a good portion of the rest of the world and the rich shouldn't feel guilty or punished for success.

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Post Post #19101  (isolation #6)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:05 pm

I would support a flat tax, yes, but I doubt that would be approved.

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Post Post #19103  (isolation #7)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:11 pm

liberals do want to tax the rich, if they could have a 20% tax on millionaires and have it signed into law they would, why don't they just admit it?

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Post Post #19105  (isolation #8)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:15 pm

yes.

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Post Post #19107  (isolation #9)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:17 pm

I was talking about in addition to the current tax code.

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Post Post #19109  (isolation #10)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:23 pm

they're not secretly plotting it they overtly desire it.

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Post Post #19112  (isolation #11)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:30 pm

Because of statements like "no one wants to punish the rich".

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Post Post #19119  (isolation #12)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:34 pm

I meant a 20 percent higher tax and I think that was pretty clear.

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Post Post #19123  (isolation #13)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:39 pm

Unemployment is at a historical low, don't you think having a job helps your income?

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Post Post #19132  (isolation #14)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:48 pm

Historically communist nations have a history of falling on itself while capitalist nations grow exponentially.

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Post Post #19140  (isolation #15)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:52 pm

In post 19134, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 19097, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think you should be penalized for being wealthy. We live in the largest economy in the world and the "average american" is better off than a good portion of the rest of the world and the rich shouldn't feel guilty or punished for success.

Hey, this is definitely a thought of someone who has no idea what Enron is.


Dumbass comment...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron:_Th ... n_the_Room

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Post Post #19147  (isolation #16)  » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:58 pm

In post 19143, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 19140, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19134, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 19097, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think you should be penalized for being wealthy. We live in the largest economy in the world and the "average american" is better off than a good portion of the rest of the world and the rich shouldn't feel guilty or punished for success.

Hey, this is definitely a thought of someone who has no idea what Enron is.
Dumbass comment...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron:_Th ... n_the_Room

Okay, you showed me that you can be surly and google a documentary. Can you explain the situation that it's a documentary of and how much punishment the rich get vis-a-vis how the "average american" does?


not if you're going to insult me because I have a different point of view than you.

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Post Post #19179  (isolation #17)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:37 pm

I'm not defending Trump as a person but Republicanism seems more mainstream to me than the leftist policies that the democratic party is moving towards.

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Post Post #19181  (isolation #18)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:52 pm

They're not. Two of the last three and three of the last five presidents have been Republicans.

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Post Post #19197  (isolation #19)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:46 pm

I voted Hillary.

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Post Post #19201  (isolation #20)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:07 pm

I will say that Republicans are a) not great at public relations and b) Republicanism is more popular in less populated areas than more populated areas. Doesn't mean liberalism is better.

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Post Post #19208  (isolation #21)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:02 pm

Unpopular with liberal websites...

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Post Post #19232  (isolation #22)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:11 pm

Shouldn't the prop bet be "will the super bowl champions visit the white house" not "what will they eat"?

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Post Post #19234  (isolation #23)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:30 pm

Sorry can't keep track of who visits the white house these days.

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Post Post #19241  (isolation #24)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:35 am

I lived in Tennessee for awhile and the comminuties seemed fairly segregated

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Post Post #19246  (isolation #25)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:39 pm

I don't know if racial equality is going to be achieved any time in the near future due to disparity in the justice system and educational and professional opportunities especially for lower class minorities. Things have improved since the early and mid 20th century but I understand why that isn't adequate for most. I don't know that there is any easy solution either though.

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Post Post #19248  (isolation #26)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:07 pm

It's easier for liberals to call conservatives a bunch of racists than to admit there are valid reasons to be conservative that aren't racist.

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Post Post #19249  (isolation #27)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:12 pm

I mean we have a clearly racist president which doesn't make it easier for conservatives to argue that but the president doesn't speak for the average conservative I think.

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Post Post #19252  (isolation #28)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:15 pm

[quote="In post 19251, Psyche"][/quote]

Because most republicans think any conservative is better than any liberal. Also there is an anti government sentiment that Trump taps into.

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Post Post #19260  (isolation #29)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:23 pm

I don't think socialist economic policies are as popular as many people seem to think. And a lot of people will stomach a racist president as opposed to a liberal economic policy.

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Post Post #19262  (isolation #30)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:29 pm

I think most people approve of their boss if he signs your paycheck.

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Post Post #19267  (isolation #31)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:40 pm

In post 19264, Agent Sparkles wrote:
In post 19260, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think socialist economic policies are as popular as many people seem to think. And a lot of people will stomach a racist president as opposed to a liberal economic policy.


The sad part of this is that very few liberals in America are actually socialists. Even those that call themselves democratic socialists are usually social democrats, which is still mostly capitalistic. But it gets used as a buzzword and people buy into the McCarthyist scare tactics.

As far as racism goes, the majority of America and the right is not racist, but a lot of them definitely overlook way too much when it's a candidate on their side.


I guess that's your opinion. Most liberals would vote for a democrat, even if they were, say, pro life or pro death penalty even if they disagreed with those positions.

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Post Post #19274  (isolation #32)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:50 pm

In post 19272, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19265, u r a person 2 wrote:In this country one party considers racism absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.


In this country one party considers sexual harassment and abuse absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.

In this country one party considers homophobia and transphobia absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.

The not-bigoted conservatives sure can stomach a lot in the name of tax cuts.


I don't think that's a fair statement. I think most republicans would prefer a conservative tax code and equal rights for minorities.

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Post Post #19277  (isolation #33)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:58 pm

In post 19276, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19274, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19272, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19265, u r a person 2 wrote:In this country one party considers racism absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.


In this country one party considers sexual harassment and abuse absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.

In this country one party considers homophobia and transphobia absolutely intolerable, and one thinks that tax policy is more important than human dignity.

The not-bigoted conservatives sure can stomach a lot in the name of tax cuts.


I don't think that's a fair statement. I think most republicans would prefer a conservative tax code and equal rights for minorities.


I can't argue what they would prefer, but they are certainly stomaching this shit


Well, there are a multitude of issues for voters to consider and I think most republicans(and liberals for that matter) consider social justice just one issue out of many.

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Post Post #19285  (isolation #34)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:05 pm

In post 19283, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19277, YellowSnow wrote:Well, there are a multitude of issues for voters to consider and I think most republicans(and liberals for that matter) consider social justice just one issue out of many.


Right, and they are stomaching the bigotry because they consider other issues more important. We're in agreement.


I don't think there's anything wrong with suggesting that social justice isn't the overriding issue of our generation. Important, yes, but there ARE other things. And that doesn't make you racist to think so.

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Post Post #19289  (isolation #35)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:08 pm

In post 19287, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19285, YellowSnow wrote:I don't think there's anything wrong with suggesting that social justice isn't the overriding issue of our generation. Important, yes, but there ARE other things. And that doesn't make you racist to think so.


It does make you racist-adjacent.


No, it really doesn't.

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Post Post #19291  (isolation #36)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:10 pm

In post 19290, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 19285, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19283, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19277, YellowSnow wrote:Well, there are a multitude of issues for voters to consider and I think most republicans(and liberals for that matter) consider social justice just one issue out of many.


Right, and they are stomaching the bigotry because they consider other issues more important. We're in agreement.


I don't think there's anything wrong with suggesting that social justice isn't the overriding issue of our generation. Important, yes, but there ARE other things. And that doesn't make you racist to think so.

yes they did deliver those massive tax cuts for billionares and hard up corporations
definitely worth kicking a few minority groups


yay class warfare!

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Post Post #19293  (isolation #37)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:13 pm

That's like saying by voting Bill Clinton you support mysoginism and sexual harrassment.
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Post Post #19295  (isolation #38)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:16 pm

Did you support bill clinton in 1996?

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Post Post #19298  (isolation #39)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:18 pm

In post 19296, u r a person 2 wrote:I'm old, but not old enough to have done that.


Looking back, though, would Bill Clinton or Bob Dole(or Ross Perot) have been the better candidate?

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Post Post #19302  (isolation #40)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:24 pm

Or maybe there's a valid viewpoint that things like Taxes, supporting the military, abortion, and gun control are valid issues to vote on?

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Post Post #19305  (isolation #41)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:29 pm

In post 19304, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19302, YellowSnow wrote:Or maybe there's a valid viewpoint that things like Taxes, supporting the military, abortion, and gun control are valid issues to vote on?


All of these are valid issues to vote on.

If a person is supporting a racist party, that still makes them racist-adjacent.

And they can decide for themselves if that matters to them.


I think the right would argue that they're not a "racist party" that the left is trying to steer the conversation that way to make their leftist policies more mainstream than they really are.

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Post Post #19312  (isolation #42)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:59 pm

In post 19311, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19310, T-Bone wrote:I'd really like to get to the bottom as to why YellowSnow thinks that very popular proposals from the left are unpopular. I'm interested in why he thinks that.


I can't speak for YS, but I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio and read a lot of alt-right media for reasons that... defy explanation

and they push the silent majority narrative on this stuff all the time


There's a difference between agreeing with a policy and then actually voting for it in an election.

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Post Post #19320  (isolation #43)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:31 pm

In post 19316, T-Bone wrote:
In post 19312, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19311, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19310, T-Bone wrote:I'd really like to get to the bottom as to why YellowSnow thinks that very popular proposals from the left are unpopular. I'm interested in why he thinks that.


I can't speak for YS, but I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio and read a lot of alt-right media for reasons that... defy explanation

and they push the silent majority narrative on this stuff all the time


There's a difference between agreeing with a policy and then actually voting for it in an election.


Alright, but I'm asking you, specifically.

I'm not trying to go "got ya!" or trick you in any way.


I think the right media feels like the left dominates the media discourse for the most part so they like to take the david role to the left media's goliath role.

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Post Post #19331  (isolation #44)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:45 pm

In post 19328, T-Bone wrote:
In post 19320, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19316, T-Bone wrote:
In post 19312, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19311, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19310, T-Bone wrote:I'd really like to get to the bottom as to why YellowSnow thinks that very popular proposals from the left are unpopular. I'm interested in why he thinks that.


I can't speak for YS, but I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio and read a lot of alt-right media for reasons that... defy explanation

and they push the silent majority narrative on this stuff all the time


There's a difference between agreeing with a policy and then actually voting for it in an election.


Alright, but I'm asking you, specifically.

I'm not trying to go "got ya!" or trick you in any way.


I think the right media feels like the left dominates the media discourse for the most part so they like to take the david role to the left media's goliath role.


What do you consider left media? Any specific examples?


CNN/NBC/CBS etc...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/860 ... l-leaning/

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Post Post #19344  (isolation #46)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:03 pm

Mainstream media outlets like CNN need to at least to APPEAR to be impartial when it comes to ideology but they spend a great deal of time ciritizing the current administration and don't really care to show the other sides perspective. Liberal policies are popular in largely populated areas(and with women and minorities) and not so much in suburban or smaller populated areas(and with white men).

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Post Post #19349  (isolation #47)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:11 pm

In post 19346, AniX wrote:
In post 19248, YellowSnow wrote:It's easier for liberals to call conservatives a bunch of racists than to admit there are valid reasons to be conservative that aren't racist.


But there is no valid reason to be conservative that doesn't involve one enabling racism, consciously or unconsciously.


That being said that doesn't validate the liberal position or invalidate the conservative position for the non racist portions of the conservative party.

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Post Post #19357  (isolation #48)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:14 pm

In post 19348, AniX wrote:
In post 19249, YellowSnow wrote:I mean we have a clearly racist president which doesn't make it easier for conservatives to argue that but the president doesn't speak for the average conservative I think.


Aren't you waffling on whether to vote for him? Your stance that him being President is personally beneficial to you but he is a racist so you MAY not vote for him is...pretty much a perfect example of what I'm talking about.


I'm saying the president is beneficial to me and possibly the economy on the whole so I think that even minorities could benefit in some areas under Trump when it comes to unemployment, wages etc. I think it will depend on who the democratic nominee is. I'm not sure if I see myself voting for Warren or Sanders. I could see myself voting for Harris or Biden.

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Post Post #19381  (isolation #49)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:42 pm

In post 19379, theplague42 wrote:
In post 19376, u r a person 2 wrote:Okay, so I'm seeing an argument for gun control as racist

but where exactly is the argument that gun rights is racist?

Because it's not about "gun rights" or "gun control." It's about how gun rights are the most important thing in the world until black people have the guns.


Don't you think the argument could be made that blacks are more violent with firearms than whites(especially with gang violence).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 83d9a78ff7

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Post Post #19386  (isolation #50)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:45 pm

In post 19384, theplague42 wrote:
In post 19381, YellowSnow wrote:Don't you think the argument could be made that blacks are more violent with firearms than whites(especially with gang violence).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 83d9a78ff7

gun control doesn't stop the criminals though so why bother passing it


I'm in favor of strict gun control(police/military only for all firearms).

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Post Post #19389  (isolation #51)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:49 pm

In some areas, yes.

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Post Post #19401  (isolation #52)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:58 pm

In post 19391, Creature wrote:
In post 19386, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19384, theplague42 wrote:
In post 19381, YellowSnow wrote:Don't you think the argument could be made that blacks are more violent with firearms than whites(especially with gang violence).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 83d9a78ff7

gun control doesn't stop the criminals though so why bother passing it


I'm in favor of strict gun control(police/military only for all firearms).

I'm not. I'm in favor of gun ownership until a certain point (and under some restrictions obviously).


I have never had a gun and I feel a lot safer than I would having had one. I've never been attacked by anyone. I don't know if I'm just a nice guy or what but I don't think I need a gun to defend myself and I don't think the ungodly amount of people killed by guns justifies the need for defense.

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Post Post #19407  (isolation #53)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:05 pm

I'm pretty sure if the muggers have guns too it might not help that much.

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Post Post #19412  (isolation #54)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:11 pm

Basically your argument is guns are necessary in areas with high crime so rather than lower crime we should increase gun ownership. Japan has strict gun laws and gun violence is at about zero.

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Post Post #19429  (isolation #55)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:11 pm

I think Creatures point is that not all minorities feel like they are entitled to live in a perpetual welfare state or even that progressive economics is a good idea.

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Post Post #19439  (isolation #56)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:25 pm

I think it's fair to say why african americans feel opressed given the history of the United States though. I'm not sure that even African Ameircan's know what they want as an end result though.

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Post Post #19455  (isolation #57)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:16 pm

So they want whites as slaves?

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Post Post #19458  (isolation #58)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:24 pm

My point is what would be fair reparation?

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Post Post #19468  (isolation #59)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:07 pm

100 billion per year for 10 years to black charities. The point is people would not be satisfied.

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Post Post #19470  (isolation #60)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:11 pm

Nobody wants Texas anyway

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Post Post #19479  (isolation #61)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:18 am

My favorite is when people act like white people can't be minorities themselves and race is the only indicator of minorityism.

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Post Post #19482  (isolation #62)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:21 am

In post 19480, Ginngie wrote:
In post 19479, YellowSnow wrote:My favorite is when people act like white people can't be minorities themselves and race is the only indicator of minorityism.

I'm going to be dead honest with you

If you try to pull this bullshit with me I wont engage with you.

You know I'm talking about the US in a US related topic.


Even in the US there are other indicators of minorityism. I'm a white male that makes you so sure I'm not a minority?

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Post Post #19499  (isolation #63)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:59 pm

I didn't say I was personally benefiting from trump, I said my income is higher now than it has been any other point in my lifetime.

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Post Post #19501  (isolation #64)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:21 pm

That's not factually true.

1980 13.5

2019 2.4
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Post Post #19539  (isolation #65)  » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:09 pm

It would be nice if the USA had a national speed rail system. Put hubs in LA, NY, Miami, Seattle, Denver, Dallas, and Cleveland and I think it would work.

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Post Post #19573  (isolation #66)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:45 pm

I wonder if Pelosi will ever run for president.

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Post Post #19579  (isolation #67)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:04 pm

I am white and I understand the history of race relations in the united states and why miorities feel abused by the system. My only issue is that it looks like a conflict with no endgame and that perhaps minorities do not really want a peaceful coexistance at all and/or are not willing to compromise on a solution. An example of this is the NFL, where no matter what the NFL does the black community continues to make an example out of them even though the NFL did not cause the race problems. Sure, they are not helping by not hiring Kaepernick, but he is just one player and the NFL is a business. I understand that it is an inequitable system but I don't feel like there is a desire to meet anyone halfway or recognize progress that has been made in the last 50 years.

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Post Post #19583  (isolation #68)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:24 pm

No one is saying minorities should be appreciative or enjoy being beat down.

I'm saying if 1 Trillion dollars were made in reperation payments it would not solve the problem.

If a black organazation, like the NAACP or NFLPA, would say exactly what they are looking for it would be one thing, but they aren't.

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Post Post #19587  (isolation #69)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:27 pm

I'm saying 1 Trillion in reperation payments would not solve thie problem in all likelyhood.

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Post Post #19589  (isolation #70)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:32 pm

If you had a 500 billion amount you'd have people complaining about the amount being low. I think 1 trillion is amount where neither side could complain about a low amount, but it's not going to solve the underlying issue.

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Post Post #19591  (isolation #71)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:39 pm

Apparently President Obama opposed reparation payments while NAACP supports it so there's not even agreement in the black community as to if it's a good thing.

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Post Post #19598  (isolation #72)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:07 pm

In post 19595, Psyche wrote:
In post 19587, YellowSnow wrote:I'm saying 1 Trillion in reperation payments would not solve thie problem in all likelyhood.

yah this is true people and systems would also have to stop being racist


I'm not saying social justice is not a worthy goal I just don't think realistically it's something that can be solved overnight and pointing fingers at businesses like the NFL doesn't really help anything.

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Post Post #19602  (isolation #73)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:50 pm

Playing the national anthem does not equate to "everything is hunkydory".

If you don't want to stand then don't but if you are more worried about political statements than offending your fanbase then you need to prepared to possibly not have a job.

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Post Post #19605  (isolation #74)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:10 pm

I don't think it has to do with anything as far as the minority mindset, I think his has to do with the nature of the oppressed versus the oppressor. From the Declaration of Independence...

whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

I think that the foundation of the United States was founded on such a level of hypocricy that there can never be a fully equitable resolution, and that as long as there are minorities there will always be oppression and feelings of resentment, and justly so.

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Post Post #19609  (isolation #75)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:14 pm

In post 19607, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19602, YellowSnow wrote:Playing the national anthem does not equate to "everything is hunkydory".

If you don't want to stand then don't but if you are more worried about political statements than offending your fanbase then you need to prepared to possibly not have a job.

this is just another way of saying "They should be grateful. And if they aren't sufficiently docile, beat 'em down."

I bet - tell me if I'm wrong - that you don't think Roseanne should have been removed from her show for speaking her mind


No I don't think that.

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Post Post #19614  (isolation #76)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:08 pm

In post 19613, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 19583, YellowSnow wrote:No one is saying minorities should be appreciative or enjoy being beat down.

I'm saying if 1 Trillion dollars were made in reperation payments it would not solve the problem.

If a black organazation, like the NAACP or NFLPA, would say exactly what they are looking for it would be one thing, but they aren't.

Man, two things:

1) Why do you refer to the NFLPA as a black organization?

2) I'm pretty sure that you can point your browser to naacp.org and learned specifically at this goal and mission statements, what they've done and are doing, and even what you can do to help.

I'm not really getting the sense that you're looking for a solution as much as you're looking for someone to blame for the lack of solutions.


based on the statement from NFLPA president Eric Winston:
"The divisiveness we are experiencing in this country has created gridlock in our political system, given voice to extreme, fringe beliefs and paralyzed our progress as a nation."

He's basically calling anyone who disagrees with the kneel protest racist and if you can call the GOP racist because of the president then you can call the NFLPA a black organization for supporting the black position on the social justice movement.

This has, in my opinion, extended the NFLPA from an athletic organization to a political organization.

2) I know what the NAACP is, thanks.

And, no, I don't have a magic wand to cure the ills of our nation.

NFL Owner Jerry Jones:
"At all times, if I am anything, I am first and foremost a proponent of making the NFL strong. Making us have as many people watching the game as we can and watching in light of what we are doing and that's playing football. If all this makes you stronger to represent messages, let's don't do it in a way that tears down the strength of the NFL."

Basically he's saying that the NFL shouldn't be a political battlefield, and I understand his position. The protests are effecting the NFL's bottom line, and that effects the NFL's ability to pay their players and support their families. I think the spirit behind the protests is fine but I don't think the NFL can be blamed for drawing a line in the sand when it comes to their product. I'm not in favor of calling anyone who disagrees with a protest method racist.
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Post Post #19619  (isolation #77)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:29 pm

In post 19615, Maruchan wrote:NFLPA = national football league players' association?

If so why does it being politcal organization = it being black organization? P sure NFL isn't exclusively for black players.


Because they are framing the issue into a black vs. white issue and taking the black side. The reason there is backlash is that there are white fans that are being called racist for not wanting football to be a political battlefield.

I understand that the NFLPA is not directly a black organization.

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Post Post #19621  (isolation #78)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:34 pm

In post 19620, Flubbernugget wrote:What happens when a white person and a black person share opinions?


We live in a brave new world.

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Post Post #19630  (isolation #79)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:55 pm

I don't have an issue with non violent protest in general but if you are an employee and your actions create fiinancial reprecussions for your employer then you accept that there could be reprecussios for your job. The NFL is a business not a social justice platform. I get that lots of progress on race relations have been made through sports(Jackie Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Jesse Owens). My point is its unfair to make an example of the NFL for problems of the nation as a whole.

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Post Post #19651  (isolation #80)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:44 pm

I like Harris more the more I hear about her.

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Post Post #19659  (isolation #81)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:14 pm

The NFL's Cleveland Browns has signed Kareem Hunt.

It's nice to know that the NFL won't sign Kaepernick but will sign Hunt. Good to know where the NFL stands. And I'm sure Trump won't say anything condemning Hunt.

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Post Post #19663  (isolation #82)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:32 pm

I wonder if Weld can gain traction just by not being Trump. I think there will be more GOP nominees though.

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Post Post #19666  (isolation #83)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:40 pm

I'm not saying he wins, I'm saying gain traction. having competition could conceivably hurt Trump in the general election. Or maybe it helps. Who knows.

I'm definately more Weld than Trump from an ideological standpoint.

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Post Post #19668  (isolation #84)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:46 pm

I could see Rand Paul announcing a bid, and maybe Paul Ryan.

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Post Post #19669  (isolation #85)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:49 pm

The thing is Trump is part of the establishment now. If another candidate can tap into Trump's anti-establishment appeal, they could conceivably have a chance.

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Post Post #19674  (isolation #86)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:09 pm

I'm pretty sure if Trump gets indicted Pence would run.

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Post Post #19684  (isolation #87)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:59 pm

In post 19682, shaft.ed wrote:Pence won't win

he couldnt even get reelected in Indiana


That doesn't mean that much now. Depends more on who his opponent is than his previous electoral record.


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