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Post Post #14766  (isolation #0)  » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:29 pm

I'd do it

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Post Post #14854  (isolation #1)  » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:39 am

Tell them it's used in vaccines and they'll take the learning disabilities seriously

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Post Post #15461  (isolation #2)  » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:20 am

In post 15460, Kublai Khan wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/20/trump-owns-250m-condos-and-you-could-buy-one/100566302/

I can't imagine how loud the howling would be if a democrat were as tenth as corrupt as Trump appears to be.

I want to quote the pertinent parts to save people time, but goddamn. Foreign governments are buying a hell of a lot of Trump property using shell companies. And Trump is still the full beneficiary of his business and can withdraw money anytime. Plus we don't know his real net worth because he won't release anything like tax returns.

BUT HEY QATAR DONATED TO A CHARITY THAT HILLARY SERVED ON THE BOARD OF.

Not expecting any pro-Trumpers to comment on this.

government is where you go to make a small fortune

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Post Post #15462  (isolation #3)  » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:25 am

In post 15461, Sesq wrote:i think part of the reason trumps corruption was not represented is because everyone was too busy calling him a sexist racist and then his supporters are like "no he aint haha take that liberal" and then this stuff wasnt brought up enough

with hillary tho her MAIN thing was corruption

i wonder who actually is more corrupt tho

I do find it interesting that the DNC only pushed things that liberals cared about instead of pushing bipartisan smears

Just goes to show how far a heap of jackasses with good connections can get

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Post Post #15673  (isolation #4)  » Fri May 19, 2017 2:25 pm

In post 15619, Psyche wrote:duckworth doesn't seem particularly formidable but i'm not too picky it just had better not be someone like cory booker

I only know about the pharmaceutical thing

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Post Post #15674  (isolation #5)  » Fri May 19, 2017 2:32 pm

In post 15668, pisskop wrote:The specific addition of gender is not a problem, unless you dislike the idea of gender as a distinct entity from sexual orientation.

I don't think I've ever once heard the two being considered the same

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Post Post #15788  (isolation #6)  » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:21 pm

I find it interesting how certain sexualities tend to line up with the black and white morals/ideals common in mainstream media (particularly "true love").

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Post Post #16081  (isolation #7)  » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:34 pm

Use duckduckgo and come up with a less lazy excuse next time

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Post Post #16248  (isolation #8)  » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:04 am

So my current understanding of the situation is that "Trump had ties with Russia to expose Clinton's ties with Russia" but the latter part presumably failed?

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Post Post #16250  (isolation #9)  » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:50 am

Where do you belive the lie is?

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Post Post #16263  (isolation #10)  » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:17 am

If I'm understanding that correctly it makes the Kaspersky ordeal a lot more frightening

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Post Post #16292  (isolation #11)  » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:15 pm

In post 16288, GreyICE wrote:
In post 16286, T-Bone wrote:I know what you wrote, which was a big dismissal of what I wrote. I get it. You're saying GOP = literally criminals and Dems = not criminals. Loud and clear.

But, I was making a nuanced statement about the political party machine.

I mean no, you weren't. "They're both the same" isn't nuanced, it's wrong.

What you wrote was "both major parties are about win at all costs" and that contains not a shred of nuance. It's just stupidity. I'm honestly tired of it. The viewpoint that "everything is the same" isn't indicative of some sort of mature philosophy, it's indicative that you haven't put in the legwork to figure out why things are different and are trying to pass off your laziness as a virtue.

Both parties have politicians with noses

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Post Post #16328  (isolation #12)  » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:53 pm

So I saw GWAR today

No points for guessing what they did at the end of the show

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Post Post #16344  (isolation #13)  » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:25 am

Let's think about why I posted it in this thread of all places

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Post Post #16361  (isolation #14)  » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:41 pm

In post 16347, Panzerjager wrote:GWAR is still worth seeing now that the lead dude is dead?

Yes

They fit brockie's death into their lore too

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Post Post #16399  (isolation #15)  » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:21 pm

I'm out of the loop

What is the relation between manning's leak and their being trans?

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Post Post #16402  (isolation #16)  » Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:04 pm

As in, she leaked docs because of her mental state?

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Post Post #16417  (isolation #17)  » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:27 am

Except he did?

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Post Post #16484  (isolation #18)  » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:54 am

I'm pretty sure seeing things as strictly win/lose is really fucking dumb

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Post Post #16504  (isolation #19)  » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:19 am

Slightly off topic but I'd be interested to see how the defense budget statistics are calculated. The US may spend more than other countries up front, but I don't know if that accounts for returns on exported weaponry or benefits like healthcare and education that other countries fund through different means.

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Post Post #16508  (isolation #20)  » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:03 am

Government is where you go to make a small fortune

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Post Post #16527  (isolation #21)  » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:38 pm

I honestly thought between the trans ban and Charlottesville blind patriotism was going to be on the rise but I'm glad I'm wrong

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Post Post #16541  (isolation #22)  » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:01 am

Antifa was a significantly bigger deal in rightward media after Charlottesville so even if "violence is always bad" is a valid argument, it's not being argued in good faith

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Post Post #16542  (isolation #23)  » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:02 am

If "the media" is telling you the wrong narrative where exactly are you getting the correct one from?

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Post Post #16609  (isolation #24)  » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:37 pm

If I had to take a guess I'd say 10% of the people that say it's okay to punch nazis would actually do it

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Post Post #16611  (isolation #25)  » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:30 pm

Didn't event think to factor that in

Sooo 5%??

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Post Post #16613  (isolation #26)  » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:57 pm

Commknight isn't in a media circle

It's actually just an ellipse with the foci in the same spot

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Post Post #16677  (isolation #27)  » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:35 am

In post 16661, CommKnight wrote:Nice input GreyICE, good conversation. "kid or nutjob" is what you say toward someone who says they believe in something different from a system that isn't just two ends. It's not black and white.

If you actually cared about civility you wouldn't be so concerned with patting yourself on the back over trite posting

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Post Post #16679  (isolation #28)  » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:41 am

Comm self announced he wasn't a conservative several times in thread but don't let that get in the way of your boohoo narritave buddy

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Post Post #16681  (isolation #29)  » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:28 am

That makes sense

The boohoo narrative can still get fucked

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Post Post #16705  (isolation #30)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:55 am

In post 16700, Davsto wrote:
In post 16699, Firebringer wrote:it would be like saying GreyIce represents the left.

shaaaaaade

If you look past his more colorful forms of expression he seems like a fair aggregate of liberal ideas to me

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Post Post #16717  (isolation #31)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:23 pm

In post 16715, GreyICE wrote:It's a good reflection of their base. I mean look at this thread, RB, Firebringer, T S O, that's the combined intellectual prowess of a smelly fart.

Their base feels reassured when their representatives look like idiots, they're used to feeling like idiots. They know they're in good company. Did Milo's popularity decline after he looked like a fool? No. It only declined when it was revealed he thought there were times it was okay to diddle children.

Be nice to Firebringer

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Post Post #16718  (isolation #32)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:27 pm

It would be nice if Jews were cool people outside of their utility in making nazis look bad

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Post Post #16720  (isolation #33)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:39 pm

You do realize the US didn't actually give a fuck about Jews during the majority of WWII right?

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Post Post #16722  (isolation #34)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:45 pm

I'm saying that when people say stuff like "look at what the nazis did to the Jews it was so evil" its subtly rewriting history in unfair favor of the Allied powers.

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Post Post #16727  (isolation #35)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:02 pm

Shaziro, like the majority of my posting on MS, yes, it was sarcastic.

The way Jews are usually brought up in reference to nazis gives us an interesting insight into how war changes our political perceptions. Despite the wars we fight now being less bloody than WWII by significant margins, they're still (rightfully) unfavorable because there's no winning side to be on, and nobody has been liberated in a "clean" manner. If Al Quaeda or ISIS was closer to a regime than a network, and we were more willing to mow down countries to the likes of WWII (and again we should NOT be doing this), we would have been able to free their POW's, give them a label, and the Holocaust would be old news. It would still be just as evil, but people would care a lot less.

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Post Post #16729  (isolation #36)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:05 pm

Do we even have a name for when Russia did it?

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Post Post #16736  (isolation #37)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pm

In post 16731, Shaziro wrote:Holodomor. There was literally a thread about this.

Was it in the SE? I don't currently have access there.

My point is that the holocaust is considered more heinous than other equally evil genocides because of a media portrayal of nazis as villains, which makes people act like they care about Jews a lot more than they really do.

And why is killing someone less heinous if you only(??) starve them?

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Post Post #16739  (isolation #38)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:30 pm

The victor writes history

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Post Post #16742  (isolation #39)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:40 pm

So, the north won the war, was still racist, and then allowed a pro-racist history to be written?

Color me...shocked?

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Post Post #16745  (isolation #40)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:47 pm

In post 16744, Wraith wrote:But the victors write history

And Confederate history was written

uh oh

It's still downplayed that the north was still pretty racist. Look at the spin on the emancipation proclamation.

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Post Post #16747  (isolation #41)  » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:58 pm

An abstract means of killing someone is no less heinous than a direct means. It's just harder to pin a boogeyman to it. Is it really worth crying over those deaths when there's no bad guy to pin them to? If that's really how people grieved for others they didn't know, we probably wouldn't be arguing over an infrastructure built with precious metals harvested via slave labor.

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Post Post #16753  (isolation #42)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:08 am

So it's better to starve someone than directly kill them because it's okay when people die under the free market?

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Post Post #16755  (isolation #43)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:13 am

Jfc that was a rhetorical question

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Post Post #16757  (isolation #44)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:22 am

I think ignorance is a bigger contributor to the mass murder than the ideology but that's tangential.

It's tough to worry about rightness and justice when saying nazis are bad is good enough for most people anyway.

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Post Post #16758  (isolation #45)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:23 am

The fact that the question was so blatantly contradictory was why it should have been obvious it was rhetorical

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Post Post #16764  (isolation #46)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:52 am

Yeah, you're right. But I really just want this on record:

If one person pushes a button to kill 5 people

Another person pushes two buttons to kill 5 people

And three people push three buttons to kill 5 people

The double button pusher is less evil than the single button pusher and that makes me a republican

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Post Post #16770  (isolation #47)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:09 am

I don't think you're stupid Firebringer

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Post Post #16774  (isolation #48)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:14 am

It's been discussed before how much this site adores GreyICE so I'd take the vitriol with a grain of salt

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Post Post #16793  (isolation #49)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:07 am

How do you bully people into being nice without running out of bullies and how does that even remotely apply to what just happened

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Post Post #16798  (isolation #50)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:23 am

I don't know what ring psychology is but pop psychology is psychology without a scientific basis

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Post Post #16807  (isolation #51)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:20 am

In post 16805, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 16775, Flubbernugget wrote:It's been discussed before how much this site adores GreyICE so I'd take the vitriol with a grain of salt

lol
can you please make this adoration list?

I thought I already did?

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Post Post #16810  (isolation #52)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:48 am

So...we should take GreyICE's insults seriously?

I'm confused

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Post Post #16839  (isolation #53)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:39 pm

I kinda get where Psyche is going with how tangential your thoughts can get when you read bad writing

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Post Post #16841  (isolation #54)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:44 pm

Do you guys think Regan would have beaten Trump in the republican primary

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Post Post #16843  (isolation #55)  » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:51 pm

Refrigerator

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Post Post #16871  (isolation #56)  » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:54 am

To be fair, the patching is a necessary evil, and win 10 licenses should fare better for consumers than the previous model

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Post Post #16877  (isolation #57)  » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:51 pm

Are you an admin or a developer? If it's the latter someone else is probably digging though the woes of Unix land

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Post Post #16880  (isolation #58)  » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:58 pm

Psyche wrote:i recently started using the windows subsystem for linux and man does it make dealing with mac and linux users so much easier
When I first heard about that it was introduced as "bash on windows", so I didn't expect stuff like the package manager or filesystem mounts. Somebody in lawyer land must have pulled the majority of their hair out to be able to use Ubuntu of all OS's for that.

Pedit: we already have a thread for nk nukes stay on topic

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Post Post #16911  (isolation #59)  » Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:18 pm

Too many implicit references, can't follow

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Post Post #16975  (isolation #60)  » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:28 pm

Prog is good

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Post Post #16989  (isolation #61)  » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:40 am

If you can attack his thoughts without him even being here, was he even worth talking to in the first place?

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Post Post #17089  (isolation #62)  » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:49 pm

Shea did you miss the "woman in office" joke the page before you got mad at cooldog

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Post Post #17143  (isolation #63)  » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:41 pm

...that was left out of my philosophy class, holy fuck

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Post Post #17157  (isolation #64)  » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:27 pm

In post 17145, rb wrote:Most people were racist back then, but the merit of their non-racist ideas can still be good to read.

That's fair. I guess I just expected the racism to be...softer than that?

Watered down history holy fuck :/

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Post Post #17263  (isolation #65)  » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:29 am

In post 17252, TwoInAMillion wrote:they have a pistol and the shooter has an automatic rifle is all. Haven't you heard of the phrase don't bring a knife to a gun fight?

People really act like the gun stats from counter strike translate to real life

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Post Post #17264  (isolation #66)  » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:30 am

For reference, the SAS consider two pistol rounds to be able to incapacitate a terrorist that may be armored or drugged up.

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Post Post #17265  (isolation #67)  » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:37 am

In post 17220, Sesq wrote:saw a bit on inflation control earlier

that said, how possible is it to increase wages without having such a knock on effect

The biggest one I know of is how competition manipulates product demand.

I'm being overly simplistic, but whether you have $0.10 workers or $100 workers your prices are going to skyrocket if you have a monopoly.

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Post Post #17266  (isolation #68)  » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:42 am

In post 17237, Panzerjager wrote:There were 4 Sheriffs deputies that hid outside behind their cars while the shooting was happening. Those deputies never went in the building apparently, even after PD arrived. Hopefully, the other three also are forced to resign.

This is news to me and something I am going to research. It's easy to forget in situations like this that the front lines are convinient scapegoats.

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Post Post #17277  (isolation #69)  » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:28 pm

In post 17272, Agent Sparkles wrote:
In post 17271, zoraster wrote:
In post 17265, Flubbernugget wrote:For reference, the SAS consider two pistol rounds to be able to incapacitate a terrorist that may be armored or drugged up.


Oh, I didn't realize that the guy who was stationed at Parkland was wearing assault gear and trained as part of an elite counter-terrorism force. I'm glad this comparison holds up!


:neutral:

Has nothing to do with the post. He's saying that a normal pistol would be enough even if the shooter was super prepared.

Even more important than this one police officer is that people need to critically think about the surrounding context within which a weapon becomes dangerous. Encumbrance is a huge factor in a lot of cases. I'd recon you'd get a lot more deaths from a handgun in the middle of Times Square than an assault rifle, which would take longer to remove from concealment.

If it weren't for the fact that the concept is often used as a dog whistle for the Republicans to sit on their hands, I'd argue that gun control would need to be mostly managed at the state, or even city level.

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Post Post #17285  (isolation #70)  » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:20 pm

I don't think it's foolproof, but there's ways around it. NJ police used to camp out in PA parking lots of fireworks shops for vehicles with NJ plates. They would follow them home and stop them after they went over the bridge.

It also gives more legal leverage to investigators, for those who say they aren't empowered enough for preventative measures.

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Post Post #17287  (isolation #71)  » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:38 pm

I'm well aware

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Post Post #17371  (isolation #72)  » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:29 am

In post 17314, Thestatusquo wrote:The reason she lost was because the system in this country is set up in such a way that it advantages the desires of the few over the desires of the many.

Fwiw I don't think this was the original intent of the electoral college

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Post Post #17381  (isolation #73)  » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:15 am

On a less cynical note, let's say that a liberal presidential candidate pushes a massive pro-green campaign that involves EU-esque gas taxes. They only campaign in densely populated areas. That's great for the environment, but could absolutely destroy a lot of rural areas where public transportation may not be feasible. I don't think saying "well they're not the majority" is a fair assessment there.

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Post Post #17395  (isolation #74)  » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:58 pm

In post 17383, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 17382, Flubbernugget wrote:On a less cynical note, let's say that a liberal presidential candidate pushes a massive pro-green campaign that involves EU-esque gas taxes. They only campaign in densely populated areas. That's great for the environment, but could absolutely destroy a lot of rural areas where public transportation may not be feasible. I don't think saying "well they're not the majority" is a fair assessment there.

Gas is relatively underpriced economically speaking.

I'm not saying it's unreasonable to fix that issue. I'm saying it's unreasonable to do so recklessly to a large number of people on the basis of them not being the majority.

I'm well aware that the senate/house dynamic is based on this issue. I've never understood the sentiment that any other system that may reflect this is unfair, however.

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Post Post #17565  (isolation #75)  » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:05 pm

In post 17563, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 17561, Psyche wrote:if you’re trying to understand the thought processes of these trump supporters criticizing trump, you probably want to begin with their assumption that he’s acting in good faith

The only reason they don't recognize that Trump (and his administration) lie like crazy is because liberals point out the lies. Who are liberals? Why anyone who points out Trump's lies of course.

This is a literal contradiction to the previous post you wrote

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Post Post #17573  (isolation #76)  » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:16 pm

In post 17529, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 17527, Majiffy wrote:While it sounds great in theory that would likely stagnate innovation in a number of industries for years as those top earners are generally the investors in new tech / businesses, etc

you know the government used to do that
NASA and all that jazz developed tons of tech

VC tech investors are now lighting money on fire for driveless cars, subsidizing illegal underpaid taxis, paying for wannabe Steve Jobs' fake blood machine, and old fruit in a bag.

but OHNO don't take precious money from the job creators

The million dollar pen trope comes to mind here.

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Post Post #17577  (isolation #77)  » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:12 am

In post 17576, GreyICE wrote:Would that be the space pen, and include R&D costs? You know, the one designed to work absent gravity, in a way no pen had ever before functioned?

Probabaly? I said "trope" because that whole ordeal is plagued with enough hyperbole to be a borderline myth.

For a more concrete example, most computer virus outbreaks from about last year onward have been the result of an NSA R&D effort. Not to mention the massive carbon footprint their surveillance efforts involve.

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Post Post #17585  (isolation #79)  » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:42 pm

In post 17579, shaft.ed wrote:I'd argue private tech is actually much better at being a surveillance state than the state is

I agree. The overarching issue is that throwing large sums of money at a problem tends to get bad results through heavy handed incompetence.

On a side note, I definitely think that Facebook/Google are more susceptible to the dollar vote philosophy than an ISP, Oil Company, or Hospital, etc.

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Post Post #17589  (isolation #80)  » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:16 pm

In post 17588, GreyICE wrote:
In post 17585, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 17580, GreyICE wrote:Uh... source?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EternalBlue

That's one vulnerability. I don't see as how "most computer virus outbreaks from about last year onward have been the result of an NSA R&D effort" follows.

Wanacry and NotPetya are literally linked in the first paragraph of that article

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Post Post #17651  (isolation #81)  » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:36 am

In post 17648, Kublai Khan wrote:Apparently "Sleepy Eyes" has been his nickname for Chuck Todd (who is Jewish) for tweets going back to 2013.

It's a pretty strong dog whistle. Another one.

I've never really got this. I understand that Jews were "spotted" in Nazi Germany by their eyes, but the characteristics they were looking for would have been more awake than sleepy.

For an actual fun one you can find the speech he gave at a Jewish republican convention. Something along the lines of "I'm a negotiator just like you guys!"

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Post Post #17748  (isolation #82)  » Tue May 15, 2018 9:30 pm

Without any idea of who this gentleman is, I am going to go out on a limb and assume he was really bad at his job anyway.

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Post Post #17749  (isolation #83)  » Tue May 15, 2018 9:37 pm

Not saying that removing the role is good btw, but I am saying this really shouldn't be the tipping point of concern for cybersecurity.

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Post Post #17751  (isolation #84)  » Wed May 16, 2018 5:56 am

Oh, I knew who he was. I meant the cybersecurity coordinator.

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Post Post #18635  (isolation #85)  » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:20 am

Don't we already have npr?

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Post Post #19616  (isolation #86)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:24 pm

That whole paragraph is the most vacuous statement I've ever seen

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Post Post #19619  (isolation #87)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:33 pm

What happens when a white person and a black person share opinions?

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Post Post #19627  (isolation #88)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:48 pm

In post 19621, YellowSnow wrote:
In post 19620, Flubbernugget wrote:What happens when a white person and a black person share opinions?


We live in a brave new world.

This is fucking garbage.

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Post Post #19803  (isolation #89)  » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:53 pm

In post 19802, Kublai Khan wrote:One Representative having issues with how the Isreali government operates isn't going to "destroy the Jews".

It's really not that hard to do this without playing into stereotypes

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Post Post #19804  (isolation #90)  » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:54 pm

In post 19795, GrandWazoo wrote:Alienating a powerful moneyed constituency is batshit and how you get more Trump.

Oh fuck it never mind

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Post Post #19805  (isolation #91)  » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:58 pm

In post 19792, Ginngie wrote:I forget, isn’t the whole issue two countries think they own the same place and say they deserve it because of the man in the Sky

Theres a myriad of social and economic issues causing the conflict outside of religion but trying to simplify it all down to this one point shows for the millionth time that ignorance comes before religious beliefs.

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Post Post #19855  (isolation #92)  » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:17 pm

In post 19844, Kublai Khan wrote:Someone who is a community leader among the Jews, like maybe a rabbi?

No

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Post Post #19857  (isolation #93)  » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:10 pm

Yes

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Post Post #19858  (isolation #94)  » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:18 pm

Im being an ass for my own guilty pleasure but can explain later

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Post Post #19864  (isolation #95)  » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:12 pm

In post 19857, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 19856, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 19844, Kublai Khan wrote:Someone who is a community leader among the Jews, like maybe a rabbi?

No

No?

Okay.

Jews are not a single unified community one leader can speak for. There's at least 5 ways off the top of my head that the populations are subgrouped and there's a lot of unclean overlap between them. At least one of those groups has a very strong preference towards individualism, which is extremely difficult for a unified leader to speak on behalf of.

Ultimately any time Jews get mentioned in politics they're going to get cherry picked to push a narrative.

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Post Post #19868  (isolation #96)  » Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:38 pm

In post 19866, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 19865, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 19857, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 19856, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 19844, Kublai Khan wrote:Someone who is a community leader among the Jews, like maybe a rabbi?

No

No?

Okay.

Jews are not a single unified community one leader can speak for. There's at least 5 ways off the top of my head that the populations are subgrouped and there's a lot of unclean overlap between them. At least one of those groups has a very strong preference towards individualism, which is extremely difficult for a unified leader to speak on behalf of.

Ultimately any time Jews get mentioned in politics they're going to get cherry picked to push a narrative.

So what you're saying is that Rabbis aren't leaders among any type of Jewish community.

They are. And they get cherry picked. Like I literally just said.

Someone leading my community doesn't mean they get to speak for me either

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Post Post #19869  (isolation #97)  » Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:39 pm

In post 19867, Psyche wrote:maybe polls are a better idea

This should really be unanimously and stupidly obvious

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Post Post #19872  (isolation #98)  » Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:26 pm

It's not "how dare you." It was good intentions that I thought were misguided. Branching off what Psyche said, polling data with a small set of interviews (maybe even with a rabbi, and isn't this pretty standard fare for an article?) are probably better than the NYPost article or only asking a rabbi. It sounds like we both agree on this, though.

And I have no clue what was going on w/ that ableist thing fwiw.

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Post Post #19914  (isolation #99)  » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:23 pm

I think dems are more susceptible to NIMBY than you're giving them credit for (though this deff could have been handled better)

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Post Post #19917  (isolation #100)  » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:33 pm

You've got way too much time to be finding stuff like that dude

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Post Post #19921  (isolation #101)  » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:26 am

In post 19919, Ginngie wrote:Or he just knows some French words and made a joke lmao

Don't you think that "this guy is an idiot and it's terrifying" loses its agency when it's right next to "I can almost call him a poopyhead in french if I squint hard enough"???

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Post Post #19996  (isolation #102)  » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:17 pm

The Intercept is pretty good factwise afaict, but they claim they're not mainstream, and some of their left slant is really crappy

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Post Post #19998  (isolation #104)  » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:29 pm

I think "factual" is always going to push towards the center simply because facts aren't supposed to be biased. You can obviously cherry pick info, but I think you can only really start to lean left/right, and anything further is going to have dishonesty associated with the slant. Idk how op-eds fit into all of this though.

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Post Post #20000  (isolation #105)  » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:07 pm

Thought that dude was an outlier on the journal as a whole

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Post Post #20002  (isolation #106)  » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:49 pm

In post 20001, Kublai Khan wrote:Possibly, but I'm not sure how because no left lobby seems particularly powerful at the moment.

Dems have been getting really good at "laundering" their donations (see the corporate PAC pledges in the 2018 wave). Makes it pretty difficult to track and quantify this kind of thing

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Post Post #20003  (isolation #107)  » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:04 pm

Dems also tend to be a lot more friendly with universities than I'm also comfortable with (dunno how much of this constitutes lobbying though either by name or intent)

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Post Post #20005  (isolation #108)  » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:06 pm

Doesnt matter because they can get the same money from the same people via proxies, avoiding the "corporate PAC" definition. That's why I don't know how to do tit for tat comparisons.

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Post Post #20006  (isolation #109)  » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:13 pm

I might be overloading the word pledge on accident.

A large swath of Dems rejected and are rejecting donations from corporate PAC's (my house rep swore it off a bunch in their 2018 campaign) and getting the same corp money from other means.

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Post Post #20008  (isolation #110)  » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:55 pm


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Post Post #20072  (isolation #111)  » Fri May 03, 2019 11:21 am

In my experience you can get people to accept sentience is a gray area in pretty much any manner until abortion is brought up.

It doesn't help that at least from being in a liberal echo chamber that a lot of the argument is about fighting things well outside of any gray area

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Post Post #20075  (isolation #112)  » Fri May 03, 2019 11:38 am

Meh,

If you're gonna smack a baby on its ass its because you expect it to cry in response

That's kinda besides my point tho

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Post Post #20087  (isolation #113)  » Fri May 03, 2019 12:39 pm

Have you seen aborting miscarriages spun as killing babies, flum?

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Post Post #20181  (isolation #114)  » Sun May 05, 2019 4:20 pm

Hey inferno,

To branch off Implosion's point, try thinking about homonyms with deceptively similar meanings outside of the abortion context.

"Time" is a pretty good example of this. "What's the time?" Implies time is a single point or instance, eg 3:62 PM. "How much time did that take?" Implies a change in or span of time, eg 35 minutes. If someone asks "What's the time?" and you say 35 minutes people are going to look at you weird. That's what's happening right now wrt the words "human," "person," and probabaly a few in the argument I'm not keeping track of.

Relating to your logic model, your step 'Z is X' is a false equivalency on these grounds. I don't know why people are being so dismissive about this. Formal logic is extremely difficult to get right.

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Post Post #20187  (isolation #115)  » Sun May 05, 2019 6:54 pm

In post 20183, implosion wrote:
In post 20181, Flubbernugget wrote:time is a single point or instance, eg 3:62 PM.

:shifty:

I'm not fixing it

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Post Post #20197  (isolation #116)  » Mon May 06, 2019 9:28 am

Niche?

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Post Post #20233  (isolation #117)  » Mon May 06, 2019 11:09 pm

In post 20221, Fluminator wrote:I think America is a large reason why North Korea feels trapped and isolated.

The only argument I can think for this is that the US should have foot the bill when they stoped getting USSR subsidies because containment cold war bullshit is stupid. I'm super critical of US foreign policy but I can't even straight face this one.

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Post Post #20253  (isolation #118)  » Tue May 07, 2019 11:49 pm

Hmmmm

I wonder what that could have done to him in 2016

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Post Post #20260  (isolation #119)  » Wed May 08, 2019 9:51 am

Definitely a broken tax system, but I think the only fraud the article mentioned was something his father did unrelated to the returns?

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Post Post #20261  (isolation #120)  » Wed May 08, 2019 9:53 am

Oh, I misread that.

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Post Post #20262  (isolation #121)  » Wed May 08, 2019 10:02 am

Even reading the tweets now I'm missing where the fraud comes in. He wrote the losses because his property kept going down in value. Knowing Trump, it's pretty likely he just mismanaged the property and took losses over it as opposed to managing his property competently and then lying about it.

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Post Post #20384  (isolation #122)  » Wed May 15, 2019 9:30 pm

I would be curious to see how many failed appropriation attempts there are compared to successful ones like pepe, ok, etc

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Post Post #20441  (isolation #123)  » Fri May 17, 2019 10:58 am

Strictly anecdotal but people pointing out when white feelings take precedence over black lives has gotten the message across to me without taking it as a personal attack

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Post Post #20469  (isolation #124)  » Wed May 22, 2019 1:51 pm

Lowkey hoping the roads fall apart to the point where trains become politically viable as the primary means of transportation

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Post Post #20470  (isolation #125)  » Wed May 22, 2019 1:53 pm

Bonus points if all the amtrack trains spontaneously combust at some random point in time

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Post Post #20474  (isolation #126)  » Wed May 22, 2019 2:26 pm

In post 20472, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 20469, Flubbernugget wrote:Lowkey hoping the roads fall apart to the point where trains become politically viable as the primary means of transportation

lol if you think the train tracks are in any better shape than the roads

Let that fall apart too and then pitch for bullet trains

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Post Post #20475  (isolation #127)  » Wed May 22, 2019 2:27 pm

I WANT TO RIDE ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON A FUCKING RAILGUN DAMMIT


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