Mini Normal 2052: Mixtape Mafia [Game Over]

[PvtUrist]

Howdy Trekkie, good to finally have you in a game together.

VOTE: Vorkuta I owe him a drink.

[PvtUrist]

Are you suggesting we should copy paste sth from our private thread, because that would be clearly against the rules.

Overly defensive. Not the best first impression here, Munch.

[PvtUrist]

Well singleton, is there anything here you

do

like?

I don't think neighbours can be S/S, but they can very well be T/T or S/T.

I also definitely think they're true claiming about the neighbourhood, fakeclaiming it is just silly as it's confirmable. As such, I find the whole "post at the same time" thing completely pointless. Also, I think that asking them to copy something out of the thread would be rulebreaking.

I get that, I just don't know where the idea of "copying PMs/out of thread info" came from.

ninja'd

[PvtUrist]

I also dislike PvtUrist for calling Munch overdefensive.

hmm, care to explain why? I'm interested in your reasoning on this.

[PvtUrist]

Are you suggesting we should copy paste sth from our private thread, because that would be clearly against the rules.

I mean, the only reason to think we are both lying about it is, if we would both be scum. In that case we would have private thread anyway even if we copy paste sth that wouldn't prove anything.

Munch instantly jumps to assume Vorkuta's "Proof" involves "copy paste sth from our private thread, because that would be clearly against the rules", if that ain't overdefensive I don't know what is.

[PvtUrist]

Why?

I mean, the thread has so far been quite negative/uncohesive. Not exactly the best/most informative way to exit RVS either.

[PvtUrist]

How is Munch's assumption unreasonable, and how is it overdefensive?

Unreasonable? Not so in hindsight. Overdefensive? Up to you to interpret why I said so.

You're the third vote on me singleton, I'll be mindful of that.

[PvtUrist]

I like your response, Overki11. How do you feel about singleton's posts so far? Especially his first post and #63+#64.

[PvtUrist]

Interesting, I thought his first post was overly negative, second is sheeping something others already have said, third feels more as scum!STK wagoning than town!STK geniunely feeling something I wrote was off. (44 null/null-scum, 63 lean-scum 64 null/null-scum are how I felt, respectfully)

I could just be paranoid, thanks for the answers Overki11 (btw do you prefer some kind of abbreviation for your name?)

[PvtUrist]

Out of curiosity- does town require proof that they're actually neighbors? Or do we take that at face value?
Idk- getting both of them to post some random copypasta at exactly HH:MM:SS to confirm that they have access to neighbor-exclusive chat?

Upon reading my mind went to "post at exactly x time to confirm neighbor", I didn't even realise the "copypasta" portion of the text before someone pointed it out.

I didn't even realise it could be taken as suggesting to post something from private PM (I interpretted it as "copypasta that the neighbors agreed on" rather than "private PM").

You're saying it like I'm wrong for not assuming Vorkuta to be suggesting something that's cheating.

[PvtUrist]

Well hello there Gamma, glad to see you twisting my words already.

Current reads are semi-serious;
{Vorkuta, Jenga, Clemency, trekkie, ofrhz, texcat, munch, Overki11, Springtrap} null
{stk, EGL, Gamma} null-scum

Maybe it'll get some conversations going.

[PvtUrist]

A neighborhood? Do they have day and nightchat or is it just during the day?

VOTE: Springtrap
I don't like that he opened with a question regarding whatever's been discussed, rather than coming up with his own content.

I also dislike PvtUrist for calling Munch overdefensive.

stk comes in making negative remarks 2/2. #108 not so much allignment indicative, more of my personal dislike of negative things.

Simliar story for #95

[PvtUrist]

Alright, let's clarify things.

Spoiler: #95

Are you suggesting we should copy paste sth from our private thread, because that would be clearly against the rules.

Overly defensive. Not the best first impression here, Munch.

No that’s a valid reaction.

The general consensus was that Munch's response was valid, and I was convinced so after being called out by Munch and EGL.

Spoiler: #65, my response

How is Munch's assumption unreasonable, and how is it overdefensive?

Unreasonable? Not so in hindsight. Overdefensive? Up to you to interpret why I said so.

You're the third vote on me singleton, I'll be mindful of that.

Calling Munch "overdefensive" was more RVS/semi-serious to see how she'd react, if I was too much then blame stk for starting the negativity first.

Your remark was uncalled for and felt more like scum!Gamma subtle shade/posting for content than anything genuine.

Why the aggressiveness Gamma? Was I correct for calling you out and reading you as null-scum?

[PvtUrist]

If youre trying to make discussion then posting Null reads isnt that right way to do it.

I'm open to suggestions. I'd rather be dull than to fake town-reads because I'm not entirely sure about this game at all right now.

[PvtUrist]

giving a response multiple people already gave

Exactly that.

No no, not stab. Just very slight shade throwing.

[PvtUrist]

This game is confusing /o\ (in a good way)

(going back to RVS a little/giving a few not serious questions because I'm lost right now)

@Trekkie first name and colour to come to mind?

@EGL is that pumpkin and if so does that define your allignment in any way?

@Clemency why the self-vote? How is Jupiter?

[PvtUrist]

I was literally just saying I disagreed. If you think that’s shading you, get some thicker skin.

Indeed I do. I'll have you know my skin is indeed thick thank you very much

[PvtUrist]

Are you TRYING to piss me off?

That was not my intention. I will assume it wasn't yours either.

Funnily, whenever I scumread someone for something, others find a way to townread them for it. I will reconsider my tactics if they are proved incorrect this game.

[PvtUrist]

Reads so far;

{stk} lean-town
{Vorkuta, Gamma} null-town
{Trekkie, Jenga, Overki11, Clemency} null
{texcat, Munch} null-scum
{Springtrap, EGL} lean-scum

stk; town posts are town.

Vorkuta; so far he's playing the same way as the first game I've had with him (we were both town).

Gamma; the likeliest player for me to tunnel all game. It seems whenever that happens, the player I tunnel always turns out to be town.

null on Trekkie, Jenga and Clemency. Neighborhood on Overki11 can go either way.

texcat; intro into the thread feels forced. Vast majority of her ISO focus on pressuring Overki11, and her other posts aren't giving me too much town pings. Feels more like scum!texcat blending in/gaining townpoints than genuine town!texcat trying to solve the game in town's favor.

Munch's subjectively "over-defensive" reaction. Other than that, don't have any more read on her yet.

Springtrap; passive/fence sitting ISO (I'm calling 3p SK for the luls)

EGL; similar feeling to Springtrap

[PvtUrist]

VOTE: Springtrap

[PvtUrist]

Serial Killer isnt allowed in Mini Normals, however.

oh

[PvtUrist]

I love how I say pvturist is one of my main suspects and he immediately puts me in his scum group.

And your point being? (post 238 was ninja'd by 1 minute)

[PvtUrist]

Well that statement's up to more than the two of us to decide.

I'll just point out here that #238 took zero influence from the content in #237, whether you believe it is up to you.

[PvtUrist]

PvtUrist- (he just seemed nicer in a game where he was scum).

EGL- I just don't see anything scummy in his first posts and don't really know why people are scumreading him. I have mixed feelings about 170, where he said he scumread Overkill first but sth made him change his mind-never said what. And I would also like better explaination why he scumread Urist and Jenga.

Pumpkin allignment is scum /s

So Munch, say you're a compulsive dayvig that gets to shoot 3 people in a day, right now who would they be and why?

[PvtUrist]

Springtrap's ISO is completely passive, hence the fence sitting.

Texcat being "fixated on Overki11" is my exact issue with her. I'm assuming stk also noticed that is the reason for his vote.

I have mixed feelings about STK. Some questions were good and seem pro-town.

is the exact reason why I town read stk.

[PvtUrist]

I claim as this

[PvtUrist]

VOTE: EGL found scum #2

wait no we need to lynch scum #1 first VOTE: springtrap

[PvtUrist]

I read NM null, I read you and Springtrap scum. That fair enough?

[PvtUrist]

If I do, it gives you plenty more reason to instantly kill me, so I'll wait until 12 hours are left to give my reads and claim.

Also please explain wtf is this logic and how it helps you/town

[PvtUrist]

So Springtrap claimed TPR of some sort

No-Lynch is preferable in this situation so we don't lose me.

lol

[PvtUrist]

Reads are immaterial at the moment.

Spoiler:

[PvtUrist]

welp

VOTE: EGL

[PvtUrist]

Sup cuntz

VOTE: Springtrap

VOTE: springtrap

VOTE: Springtrap

fml I don't know what to do here anymore

[PvtUrist]

So Springtrap claims sort of, I move my vote to the next suspect

but like wagons and momentum and deadlines

I'm just lost I dunno

[PvtUrist]

ahh screw it

VOTE: Springtrap (sorry Elbirn)

[PvtUrist]

I feel I've been changing votes too much

[PvtUrist]

Hammer

I don't understand this. Are you telling PvT he should hammer? And why the rush, it was still 2days left, Springtrap said he has sth to claim and you stated you would rather vote NM. So with things so unclear, why urge someone to hammer?

EGL tried to hammer, but his vote was actually L-1

you cant lynch him
the rope will burn from his mixtape

God damn it these don't help town but atleast it's funny

[PvtUrist]

VOTE: Trekkie

[PvtUrist]

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-14 13:00:00)

[PvtUrist]

VOTE: Clemency

Unofficial vote count;

[1] Springtrap: Trekkie99
[2] Trekkie99: 0verki11, Clemency
[5] Clemency: Jenga, Munchmellow, Not _Mafia, Vorkuta, PvtUrist
[3] Not_Mafia: texcat, EGL, singletonking, SpringTrap
[1] singletonking: Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

[PvtUrist]

Still sick so nothing too fancy from me today;

{Urist, N_M} conf-town
{stk, Springtrap, Gamma} lean-town
{Texcat, Overki11} null-town
{Vorkuta, Trekkie} null
{Jenga, EGL} null-scum

[PvtUrist]

Bringing attention to;

Clem self-voting, unvoting, and I believe spending the rest of the day so far on no one.
vs.
Springtrap vote-parking on Trekkie and then doing nothing else.
vs.
ofhrz voted Trekkie in RVS, pushed Munch (who is seeming more town as the game goes on), and then N_M (replacing ofhrz) pops in and L-2s Spring.

Out of the three, I'd say Clem still looks the worst to me, but this pool of players is why it's hard to feel like I can fully solve. I want to see Clem noosed, and ideally a vig would decide between N_M and Springtrap tonight. Feel like Clem keeps getting little counter-pushes to his wagon.

[PvtUrist]

What if I told you

NM is town

[PvtUrist]

No offense intended, but Id rather not talk about a scum read with another a scum read.

Ive got legit reasons on EGLs read other than pumkpin, but Ill post about it once Im back home and have access to an actual computer (in about 4 5 hours

[PvtUrist]

I'll go out and say it- night action claim?

close

And he can't have any result suggesting I'm scum. Just not possible.

no role evidence = obv not scum perfect logic here

[PvtUrist]

There's no doubt in my mind spring is a PT cop. I'm just unsure whether it's a town role or scum role. I'm willing to give spring the benefit of the doubt for now.

Because obviously nobody else would think like that and you totally didn't write this just for town-points

[PvtUrist]

I just happened to think that, assuming spring's role is town aligned, his role can be more helpful now with the neighborizer gone. There should be fewer townspeople in private threads, meaning the people he finds now who have access to them should be scum. That wouldn't have been so before with the 0k/munch neighborhood + if Clem had built a neighborhood. Springtrap's role would have been useless to the town.

+TP #2

Still sick so nothing too fancy from me today;

Get well soon.

Pocket/+TP #3 (ok maybe EGL's genuinely nice here)

[PvtUrist]

Also, I believed Springtrap's claim. Did you? You have him and Gamma as only lean-town, and in the same group as stk. Why are they the same for you?

Guess I should've labeled "strong-town", Springtrap's claim puts him in my TR but not conf

Gamma was already town-read before Springtrap's claim, so not too much change here

stk TR explained in previous reads #238

[PvtUrist]

Also I don't remember seeing anyone question whether or not spring is town today. It's something we have to consider.

and now we do. Good job town!EGL

[PvtUrist]

NM was conf town for me since D1

Sarcasm?

I would never

[PvtUrist]

I don't understand how he was confirmed town since d1 unless you're scum.

think Bourne and rocks

[PvtUrist]

inb4 I'm framed as uncharasmatic scum while EGL plays the town innocent victim

[PvtUrist]

gtg for like atleast 15 hours (IRL stuff, not chicken dinner)

To clarify, I'm claiming Masonry along with NM. Feel free to shoot over a few questions.

[PvtUrist]

EGL has requested replacement. Searching.

uhh I don't know what to feel about this (sorry EGL if I was too rude)

[PvtUrist]

VOTE: DD

[PvtUrist]

Pagetop goodness

ofhrz talked about crumbing at the start of D1 but we didnt get around to it

NM confirm would be convenient but he doesnt even answer my questions in PT so theres that :/

[PvtUrist]

careful, Ok is L-2

[PvtUrist]

I prefer a lynch on DD (EGL) over Ok today, not just off of EGL's ISO but also DD's

[PvtUrist]

if anything this game could do with some more discussion before ending D2. I know I'm also at fault for my personal inactivity.

[PvtUrist]

UNVOTE: for now

please don't hammer while we have 6 days left on the clock

[PvtUrist]

VOTE: Trekkie this is L-2

[PvtUrist]

Okay that's fair.

Scum reaction

[PvtUrist]

VOTE: Jenga

[PvtUrist]

Obviously flying laser shooting pumpkin

Mason with NM

[PvtUrist]

Jenga dear, care to claim?

[PvtUrist]

Also this

{Urist, stk, Gamma, Springtrap}
{Vorkuta}
{DD}
{Overki11, texcat}
{Jenga}

[PvtUrist]

im confused on why the hell springtrap is still alive and that makes me worried.

is why springtrap is alive

[PvtUrist]

Vorkuta is town

DD is VT

lynch within {Overki11, texcat} {Jenga}

and we're set

[PvtUrist]

-

Vorkuta

Spoiler:

Just says stuff I generally agree with- I'd like to think that his playstyle of

I'm listening if you have something to say

mirrors mine, and in that vein I can see him being my more extreme equivalent. I really don't understand how scum can get revealed D1 because if scum were that obvious with bad scummy behavior come D-1, that's just idiot scum bad player master-next level WIFOM bluffing I don't expect that kind of bad coming from a spire player

The caveat is that I don't like some of their

treehugging

agendas. While I'm willing to give them quite a bit of leeway to perform mind games, reaction tests, pursue their own goals, some posts genuinely feel like "YES, I'm a townie! Now onwards my fellow townie bretheren! We shall strike the iron while it's still hot crush the crusader scum where they stand!

[PvtUrist]

btw 722 is a not at all serious joke post that only a hand full of people would get

[PvtUrist]

Pagetop for

[PvtUrist]

I'll be back to post something

nobody die before then

[PvtUrist]

im confused on why the hell springtrap is still alive and that makes me worried.

is why springtrap is alive

[PvtUrist]

maf would kill the person capable of getting more innos

The problem here is that this would be much more true tomorrow.

If Springtrap is town, and he is the last of the town power, the likelihood of a scum win is actually quite high if scum push through a mislynch on him today.

Green springtrap lynch --> nightkill on one of the three quasi-masons leaves us in non-stop lylo through game end.

At first you might think, "well we'd have two masons, that doesn't sound so bad"

but actually it is. We are likely to get to five way, given that we would have a 60% chance of hitting scum in the 3/5 non-investigated players.

However, things start looking rough on day 5 when we would be down to 1 innocent child, 2 scum, and 2 unknown towns. That's actually 50% scum win right there.

THEN, 3-way looks gross with 1 scum and two towns and no innocent children left. I think scum wins these scenarios somewhat more than 50% of the time.

If Delta Diamond is scum and scum have a rolecop/neapolitan/whatever, then they would know that the town power structure is already revealed, at which point the Springtrap mislynch is possible and likely gamewinning for scum.

However, things start looking rough on day 5 when we would be down to 1 innocent child, 2 scum, and 2 unknown towns.

2 scum

this is scum slip

[PvtUrist]

We're not lynching Springtrap today.

[PvtUrist]

{Urist, stk, Gamma, Springtrap}
{Vorkuta, DD, Overki11}
{}
{Jenga, texcat}

Is what we're currently working with.

We lynch within Jenga!texcat and play off the flip tomorrow.

[PvtUrist]

Jenga has been way more solvey and genuine and has some conflicting associative with ST, so I think

I'll agree on 1/2 of that solvey+genuine statement.

VOTE: texcat would do.

[PvtUrist]

So far Jenga's content for the day has been;

- Push against DD and ST (scum motivated)

- Fluff posts

- #723 + #760 that can come from either allignments (this explains what I feel about it)

So I retract my previous statement, Jenga is neither solvey nor genuine.

[PvtUrist]

How are we feeling about this Gamma?

[PvtUrist]

@Vorkuta, thoughts on the game and how we should proceed?

@all, reads on Vorkuta?

[PvtUrist]

That's unfortunate.

Say our buddy Springtrap somehow flips scum and I'm gone, how do you proceed on D4 off of that?

[PvtUrist]

lol @ bussing yet never actually pushing/interacting.

must be Jenga and Vorkuta.

And this leaves Texcat,

Jaina

Jenga, and Singletonking

Teh Reads;

{Urist, stk, Gamma, Springtrap}
{DD, Overki11}
{}
{Vorkuta, Jenga, texcat}

This'll likely be my last day, so here's where I'm at.

-If you're town, do

not

wagon the conf towns.

-DD and OK I'm certain are town (as much as one could without PRs), don't wagon them.

-Vorkuta, Jenga or texcat lynch I'm all fine with.

[PvtUrist]

It's close, but this ain't the town!Vork I know. There's none of that warm bond or energy coming off of him, only 1-turn thousand cuts.

[PvtUrist]

I see you have nothing to say for yourself.

[PvtUrist]

You take the

red

pill, accept that this game seems waay too easy and support me on the springtrap lynch

nah, was never one for PUAs

[PvtUrist]

It'd be interesting to see how scum try to wiggle themselves out of this situation.

Between pushing between {Springtrap, DD, Overki11}, there's about nothing else they'd be able to do that aren't either bussing or something amazingly insane.

[PvtUrist]

and I'm gone

Yeah... how does it feel to stare death in the eyes knowing that you'll be next?

This does not sound right wtf

I caught it too

[PvtUrist]

VOTE: Vorkuta

let's get some action into this game.

[PvtUrist]

This does not sound right wtf

In what universe does he make it past this night?

Mafia Universe

[PvtUrist]

mustard

[PvtUrist]

texcat VT
DD VT
Vork VT
Gamma Odd-day Loud Fruit Vendor, Even-day Motion Tracker
Urist Mason
St PT Cop
Ok Town Neighbour
Jenga VT
stk VT

I believe are the current claims

[PvtUrist]

texcat VT
DD VT
Vork VT
Gamma Odd-day Loud Fruit Vendor, Even-day Motion Tracker
Urist Mason
St PT Cop
Ok Town Neighbour
Jenga VT
stk VT

I believe are the current claims

+4 ded;

Clem Town Neighborizer
Munch Town Neighbor
Trekkie VT
Not_Mafia Mason

this gives us;

1 PT Cop
1 Town Neighborizer
1 Town Odd-day Loud Fruit Vendor Even-day Motion Tracker
2 Town Mason
2 Neighbor
6 VT (apparently)

[PvtUrist]

With PT Cop's claim, this is the remaining lynch pool. The setup's either 3 scum (maybe 1 PR between them), or somehow 2 scum with PRs.

DD and Ok are town reads, the rest are not. Hence, my readlist and votes.

texcat VT
DD VT
Vork VT
Ok Town Neighbour
Jenga VT

[PvtUrist]

Vorkuta goes today.

[PvtUrist]

@stk page 32 contains the interaction.

Pushing for Springtrap lynch is one of the only scum wincons remaining, of which Vorkuta has attempted.

There's been other reasons, which I'll talk about if you'd like.

Seconding Springtrap, no lolhammers.

[PvtUrist]

UNVOTE: we've got time, I'll bite

[PvtUrist]

Wait there's scum in this game?

[PvtUrist]

I'm here Vork, is there anything you'd want from me?

[PvtUrist]

I'm on for a little while, is there anything you'd want from me stk?

[PvtUrist]

Not fancying a Vorkuta lynch on a second thought. Its interesting to see how people have acted towards his wagon though.

More stuff tomorrow.

[PvtUrist]

What changed?

this;

I think that if Vorkuta was town, scum would have jumped on that lynch and killed him. He looks like confirmed scum from here.

VOTE: texcat

[PvtUrist]

<3

[PvtUrist]

gg scam team

<3 Elbirn

[PvtUrist]

So I kinda forgot the game was happening, but I've played this setup a couple times in sitechat before, (and modded them, too) and usually it doesn't matter who gets lynched first, just because if you get town, you get a confirmed townie, and most of the time by the first couple minutes based on who's working with who and so on and so forth. I saw the votecount and it looked like it was him or you. I knew if I voted you I'd either get scum and p much win, or I'd get town and you'd shoot him (killing scum). That's how it goes pretty much every time. So I flipped a coin that would only land heads up.

I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with SS3 (and also every time I skim this I think townies are perma one-shot lynchproof) which is why I posted like I did at beginning of day 2. I know you know I'm town, cuz if you didn't think I was, you'd have shot me yesterday. Let's lynch RC and win this thing for the homies?

[PvtUrist]

this
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=78768&start=125

[PvtUrist]

umm

hello Zulfy?