Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Krazy]

Spoiler:

PvtUrist
RadiantCowbells
Allomancer
DoubtingThomas
Alisae
Gamma Emerald
Pink Ball

I'm kinda thinking this list holds all three scum

Nancy are you around for mind melding

Sure, shoot.

I came around to you being town
Taly looks really town
Krazy I'm coming around on a bit but he's still in my paranoia list
Vedith is probably town
Firebringer is probably town
Moment is probably town
TheBrie is probably town via gamestate
Dr Worm is probably town

Uhhhhh... Did I miss anyone?

Guess it's a good time to think carefully about that Pvturist poe inclusion huh?

Uhh, I like your reads, there are some I want to talk to you about but I want those players to post certain things first so I'd rather focus on the players for now rather than poke you about your list. The ones I feel like we are out of sync on are ones where I feel like I want more content from the player anyway

[Firebringer]

something smart is townie

y

Why is the Sun yellow?

[Ankamius]

well he's playing with my heart

so he's not playing fair

[Krazy]

Why is the Sun yellow?

Our eyes interpret radiation along a particular spectrum, and our brain sorts the interpretation of that visual data into certain ranges, with those ranges being heavily determined by our culture. But the sun is not, in a sense, yellow--yellow is the color it emits, and in that sense the sun is every color except yellow.

[Krazy]

well he's playing with my heart

so he's not playing fair

stick with the countdown and get some sleep

[Ankamius]

doesn't the sun appear yellow because of the angle that it hits the earth's atmosphere with

which is also why it appears more reddish when it's on the horizon

[Firebringer]

my culture says the sun is yellow and something smart is town.
If u question u are going to start a culture war and I will burn u krazy

[PvtUrist]

Spoiler: 2086

I am a beautiful lady

However, it is hard to follow Alisae... I definitely won't do eir slot justice. But I will try my best

Spoiler: 2089

However, what I won't do is read 83 pages. I'm usually fine going forward on replacing in, but my catchup reads are trash. I bet I'll do better keeping a clear head and an open mind.

Spoiler: 2091

Hi Something_Smart!

your predecessor claimed miller before she replaced out, would you like to confirm that roleclaim?

Oh really, Alisae only claimed the miller part? I'm actually a deathproof miller survivor dayvig.

(And more importantly, I read open setups before replacing into them )

Spoiler: 2103

momentum

*rimshot*

Also, I've been thinking. Scum get to make someone an IC. It would help immensely if they couldn't pick someone everyone already knew was town. So it's probably not a good idea to be very vocal about your townreads. Hmm, if only there were some other thread you could post them in... :thonk:

So, yeah. Whoever dances with me, this is what we are going to be talking about. Ideally, I'd like it to be someone who also prefers townhunting to scumhunting.

FB, which one of these posts felt town to you?

[Krazy]

my culture says the sun is yellow and something smart is town.
If u question u are going to start a culture war and I will burn u krazy

as tempting as that sounds, I am about to pass out myself

good night

[Ankamius]

good night

I'm going to sleep too

[PvtUrist]

gn Krazy, gn Anka

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm taking the day off because of rough irl circumstances pls don't pair before I can play tomorrow!

stop standing in the way of our love

You can’t play for the same team.

My stupid ass thought this was calling them opposite alignments
(I ended up falling asleep while writing this)

[Taly]

fuck, there's a really good chance that I'm townreading a scum-person while they're townreading me at the same time.

I had 3 scumreads.

(Alisae, Allo, Dr. W)

But

S_S

makes a point in 2103 that would be disadvantageous to scum... Reads, in most cases in mafia, help the scumteam maneuver the game, and townreads WOULD give scum an idea who to IC.

I think... I'm going to make my readslist more vague in terms of read category's, since I doubt I'm correct with everyone.

And when I post it - list my

volatile

reads. Reads that are either not very confident, or can be shifted by a few responses.

~

I'd like people to explain their townread on me more.

[Taly]

This is why I wish I lurked more D1 lol

[Allomancer]

I was already null-scumreading Ali, now I'm scumreading SS

[Taly]

Allo

, there are multiple people you've said you want to partner with but they wouldn't accept

Why haven't you tried to mend that? And in the same breath, why are you wanting to wait close to deadline before pairs occur?

[RadiantCowbells]

K well I'm here but it's gonna take hours to closeread this 100 page game so don't hold your breath

[Gamma Emerald]

Felt like catching up from where I posted last time in-between reading back.

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Am I weird for still kinda not wanting to partner up at all still

Explain to me why, again? From my relatively non-caught-up uninformed perspective, it seems you'd just be doing what Karmeleon did in Witches' Halloween Ball, not pairing out of some kind of principle, losing town out on a pairing.

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Sigh.

I really don't want to have this Nancy Drew scumread that I have.

I have not so fond memories of you hard tunneling me in Minuet.

I'm going to copy exactly what I wrote about this subject in Forgotten Hourglass here and kindly request that you never again imply that I tunneled you in that game.

Spoiler:

Well, you were beyond convinced I was scum in Minuet. I’m not comfortable lynching there yet. I liked her comments about the Mylo wagon because she’s right about that.

1) No, I wasn't.

2) Using that as a reason to not believe me here is a logical fallacy.

3) Scum can be right about something just as easily as town can.

I actually want to expand on this because - and I really mean you no offense - Nancy is so wrong that it deserves far more words devoted to the subject.

1) No, I wasn't "beyond convinced" that you were scum in Minuet's trio. In fact, multiple times I expressed the opinion that, although I was not yet convinced that you were as town as others seemed to believe, I was more than willing to look elsewhere because there were scumreads that I were more confident on. This isn't an argument. It's not something that you can

possibly

dispute. It's literally the words that I wrote.

Speaking of those scumreads that I was more confident on, one of them happened to be Ginngie; so

even if

the idea that my reads from Minuet's Trio were reason to disregard my logic in this game, you're ignoring my reads that were

correct.

2) Your response to my entire line of reasoning was "well, you were wrong here". This is a logical fallacy. That's not to say that I'm entirely disregarding the concept of looking at someone's long-run read accuracy; however, not only is that not what you're doing, but on a case-by-case basis that wouldn't even apply here, especially given your massive sample size of one game (one game that, I might add, you selectively choose a misrepresented incorrect read from while ignoring a correct one).

If you want to directly refute what I said regarding Maria's pocketing of you, I would love that. If you want to just say "eh, I'm not convinced", I wouldn't really enjoy that, but on some level I could still understand it. Please don't insult me by responding to me with something like this.

3) This part doesn't really need that many words; if you think that agreeing with someone on a comment like "policy lynches are bad", an obvious comment on a wagon that's destined to go nowhere, or something to the same effect is a reason to townread someone - well then, perhaps you aren't so difficult to pocket as you think.

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So yeah

I am starting to think it's better to have 2 ladies sit out than to deal with risking vedith being scum or a yolobomber

It cuts the first dance still, but it is a lot less risk and it's easier to plan around than just no lynching and trying to solve the game with the 4 extra players since we can force a large group of scummy and useless players to leave

I'm not sure I agree with the principle of this. Does it make sense to completely avoid a mechanic simply because of the chance of the worst case scenario occurring?

In any case, I somewhat doubt that 2 ladies would even agree to sit out, apart from yourself obviously. If they did up until the end, it would almost certainly indicate that they were town in the first place, anyways. Is it worth it to kill two near-assuredly town ladies and three unknown gentlemen simply to avoid the worst case scenario?

Would it even make a difference between that number of people sitting out and scum quicklynching, in terms of the number of people dead?

I think you missed my question.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sigh.

I really don't want to have this Nancy Drew scumread that I have.

Decided to ISO Moment because I remember 0 of their posts and I'm interested in this one. Why?

[Allomancer]

Allo

, there are multiple people you've said you want to partner with but they wouldn't accept

Why haven't you tried to mend that? And in the same breath, why are you wanting to wait close to deadline before pairs occur?

I don't know how to mend that. Also, I think the longer we have to form reads, the better. Not quickpairing is the same reason you don't quicklynch in mafia.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: 2086

I am a beautiful lady

However, it is hard to follow Alisae... I definitely won't do eir slot justice. But I will try my best

Spoiler: 2089

However, what I won't do is read 83 pages. I'm usually fine going forward on replacing in, but my catchup reads are trash. I bet I'll do better keeping a clear head and an open mind.

Spoiler: 2091

Hi Something_Smart!

your predecessor claimed miller before she replaced out, would you like to confirm that roleclaim?

Oh really, Alisae only claimed the miller part? I'm actually a deathproof miller survivor dayvig.

(And more importantly, I read open setups before replacing into them )

Spoiler: 2103

momentum

*rimshot*

Also, I've been thinking. Scum get to make someone an IC. It would help immensely if they couldn't pick someone everyone already knew was town. So it's probably not a good idea to be very vocal about your townreads. Hmm, if only there were some other thread you could post them in... :thonk:

So, yeah. Whoever dances with me, this is what we are going to be talking about. Ideally, I'd like it to be someone who also prefers townhunting to scumhunting.

FB, which one of these posts felt town to you?

this is very good questioning methods

[Something_Smart]

SS you might want to read my early iso and bear in mind that Vedith is paired with Firebringer and Firebringer is the 8-coin lady

Actually in my experience Vedith has good reads and is bad at explaining them so I'm surprisingly not that annoyed about this.

I'll read it now.

[Something_Smart]

Okay not sure how far you wanted me to read but I disagree with both suggestions. Even if skipping the first dance is technically optimal, in practice 8 days is not enough time to solve a game.

And town's pre-dance reads are not going to be worth very much, so I think it's much more important that each person get a partner they can read, so they know when to leave the dance, or more importantly when NOT to leave the dance.

(If everyone could perfectly read their partner, unless scum paired with each other the game would be a perfect town win.)

[Taly]

S_S

do you have a read on

Allo

or could you look at him? Since you'd have a less biased eye, being a replace-in.

[Something_Smart]

Spoiler: 2086

I am a beautiful lady

However, it is hard to follow Alisae... I definitely won't do eir slot justice. But I will try my best

Spoiler: 2089

However, what I won't do is read 83 pages. I'm usually fine going forward on replacing in, but my catchup reads are trash. I bet I'll do better keeping a clear head and an open mind.

Spoiler: 2091

Hi Something_Smart!

your predecessor claimed miller before she replaced out, would you like to confirm that roleclaim?

Oh really, Alisae only claimed the miller part? I'm actually a deathproof miller survivor dayvig.

(And more importantly, I read open setups before replacing into them )

Spoiler: 2103

momentum

*rimshot*

Also, I've been thinking. Scum get to make someone an IC. It would help immensely if they couldn't pick someone everyone already knew was town. So it's probably not a good idea to be very vocal about your townreads. Hmm, if only there were some other thread you could post them in... :thonk:

So, yeah. Whoever dances with me, this is what we are going to be talking about. Ideally, I'd like it to be someone who also prefers townhunting to scumhunting.

FB, which one of these posts felt town to you?

this is very good questioning methods

It makes the bizarre assumption that Fire's read is based on my posts and not on Alisae's.