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Post Post #8000 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:20 am

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In post 7992, DrewVa wrote:I happen to have superior reads, so sorry not sorry. <3
I have seen no evidence that supports this claim. :P
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Post Post #8001 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:23 am

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Completely unclaimed AFAIK,

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Post Post #8002 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:23 am

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In post 8000, Jingle wrote:
In post 7992, DrewVa wrote:I happen to have superior reads, so sorry not sorry. <3
I have seen no evidence that supports this claim. :P
If I wasn’t so lazy, I’d link you to all of the games anywhere that town has lost by not listening to my reads. I just recently lost a game, where I was unable to convince town to lynch my #1 scumread and and the other townie in LYLO, not to mislynch my #1 townread.
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Post Post #8003 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:30 am

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Thought expirement.

Do you think townJingle would trust your strong townreads if he doesn't believe in your reasoning?
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Post Post #8004 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:35 am

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In post 8003, Jingle wrote:Thought expirement.

Do you think townJingle would trust your strong townreads if he doesn't believe in your reasoning?
That’s my weakness. I’m generally not good at casing and convincing people, outside of metareads, which weren’t a factor in this case.

I make reads based on logic, mechanics and gut and when they all come together, I feel confident about them but I’m not great at convincing others. So, it’s my #1 source of frustration at playing mafia. To know, town could have won that game just by listening to me, is beyond infuriating.
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Post Post #8005 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:53 am

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In post 7990, DrewVa wrote:
In post 7984, profii wrote:My gut feeling so far is BEF is pushing a red herring in terms of the day rep business and I wanna vote there
Well after Ram mislynch, you would think he’d reassess.
Are you saying he could be like a gambler at the roulette table - eg bet red but lost, so he goes double on black until profit sort of vibe - there is probably a metaphor for that but I don’t know it ha ha

I’m gonna vote though for now - will do some proper iso’ing soon to see if anything else comes out of it
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Post Post #8006 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:58 am

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Gambler's fallacy is what you're referring to.
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Post Post #8007 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:21 pm

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In post 8004, DrewVa wrote:incing others. So, it’s my #1 source of frustration at playing mafia. To know, town could have won that game just by listening to me, is beyond infuriating.
First: Hindsight bias and anecdotal evidence. I'm going to say that you haven't performed a systematic study of your read accuracy, so the games that you had spectacular reads and were ignored are going to stand out over games where you were mediocre. It's just the way the brain works.

Second: You townreading someone, even townreading someone you claim to be able to read perfectly, is never going to be enough for me. I'm always going to require more evidence. More to the point, you should know that to be true.
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Post Post #8008 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:27 pm

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In post 7994, Jingle wrote:I think it might be time for massclaim.

I think this merits discussion, btw.

Massclaim gives us a decent chance of not lynching a doc on the off chance N&M are truthtelling, it likely doesn't influence the NK at this point, and if we can significantly tighten the PoE we can win this fairly quickly.

My suggestion is Una pick an order for PP/X/Gamma/Nero/BEF and then Creat/Dave claim afterwards.

If one of the unclaimed players is in a neighborhood, they can claim in the hood and have their partner/hoodmate claim for them in thread after the whole process happens.

Does anyone have a reason not to do that?
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Post Post #8009 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:30 pm

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In post 8006, Jingle wrote:Gambler's fallacy is what you're referring to.
Seems so obvious now ha ha
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Post Post #8010 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:28 pm

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I don't think he's falling into gambler's fallacy, FWIW, because he actively ignored the posts talking about why trying to lynch based on day reps is a bad idea.
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Post Post #8011 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:30 pm

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In post 8007, Jingle wrote:
In post 8004, DrewVa wrote:incing others. So, it’s my #1 source of frustration at playing mafia. To know, town could have won that game just by listening to me, is beyond infuriating.
First: Hindsight bias and anecdotal evidence. I'm going to say that you haven't performed a systematic study of your read accuracy, so the games that you had spectacular reads and were ignored are going to stand out over games where you were mediocre. It's just the way the brain works.

Second: You townreading someone, even townreading someone you claim to be able to read perfectly, is never going to be enough for me. I'm always going to require more evidence. More to the point, you should know that to be true.
My reads are consistently much better than mediocre. And myopic attitudes like yours, will continue to result in continued town losses.
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Post Post #8012 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:37 pm

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Why are you guys pushing BEF?
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Post Post #8013 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:41 pm

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In post 8011, DrewVa wrote:My reads are consistently much better than mediocre. And myopic attitudes like yours, will continue to result in continued town losses.
:lol:

Are you talking about town losses like RC's large UPick or OK1? Cause I'm pretty sure you haven't seen me lose a game yet.
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Post Post #8014 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:43 pm

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I have.
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Post Post #8015 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:45 pm

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In post 8012, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you guys pushing BEF?
Wouldn't say I've pushed him yet, but he IS probably scum.

He's pushing EJ for lying but seems to think EJ is town and he's pushing "Day Reps have scum" despite the Ramcius mislynch and multiple arguments about why that's not a helpful path to go down that he hasn't responded to.

Additionally, he's not attempted to sort anyone that I've seen today.
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Post Post #8016 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:47 pm

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Yes, you have Penguin. Twice AFAIK. Both times when I was scum, which really has nothing to do with the presumption that I cause town to lose by not blindly sheeping townreads.
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Post Post #8017 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:51 pm

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This is my last town loss. I died early, after vigging BP scum.

For completeness, I also drew a game that I had solved because the confirmed town failed to hammer before deadline.

My need for actual reasons to lynch people remains vindicated.
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Post Post #8018 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:53 pm

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*to not lynch people.
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Post Post #8019 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:56 pm

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Jingle could you like take a VC or something if you're focused on this game instead of inflating your epeen

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Post Post #8020 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:59 pm

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In post 8015, Jingle wrote:Wouldn't say I've pushed him yet
I didn't really name you as a BEF pusher so why did you feel the need to need to defend yourself? Also, you are saying that he's "prob scum" anyways so you are pushing him despite claiming that you aren't.

In post 8015, Jingle wrote:He's pushing EJ for lying but seems to think EJ is town and he's pushing "Day Reps have scum" despite the Ramcius mislynch and multiple arguments about why that's not a helpful path to go down that he hasn't responded to.
I'll have to check to make sure but I don't think he's calling EJ town and I haven't played with BEF scum (at least I don't remember if I have) but doubling down on this day rep thing seems like something scum wouldn't do.

I think its far more likely that scum are pushing BEF as opposed to BEF being scum.
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Post Post #8021 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:02 pm

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No offense Jingle but winning as town doesn't necessarily make you a great player and I don't remember you being that influential or accurate in our last game but eh.
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Post Post #8022 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:03 pm

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In post 8019, DrewVa wrote:Jingle could you like take a VC or something if you're focused on this game instead of inflating your epeen

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Post Post #8023 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:04 pm

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In post 8022, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8019, DrewVa wrote:Jingle could you like take a VC or something if you're focused on this game instead of inflating your epeen

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Post Post #8024 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:01 pm

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