Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

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I see the party has began without Yours Truly.

Whats happening so far? Ill read through the backlog in a bit.

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Gentleman DoubtingThomas, I hope you have shaped up since your mischievous and rude endeavors when you were younger. I understand it is your personality to pull our hair and attempt to embarrass us to whoever else is present, but you will be expected to be on your best behavior during this ball. It is also in your best interest as well, since only the influential, wealthy, and/or shrewd will be present. Any of those would be an advantage to you that would benefit you in the longer term.

Gentleman Vedith, I hope I am not mistaken in hearing that you had a rough divorce in the recent past. It brings a large amount of dishonor to a man to be divorced in such a way, and I hope that the rumors are simply baseless and incorrect. I assume there will be plenty of time for you to show us that there is more to you than this stain upon your family name. I will be watching, sir. I hope you do not disappoint.

Thank you everyone for attending this wondrous ball, it will be my honor to reconnect with those I know and to meet those that I have not. I sincerely
Thank you,
Annabelle Kamillia Ushio III
Ankamius

Interesting. Are these all canon?

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Caught up now.

Is there anything we'd like to discuss?

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Two fish are in a tank

one says to the other: "Do you know how to drive this thing?"

the other says: "YOU CAN TALK?!"

btw I did appreciate this.

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Had anyone advocated leaving me behind because I'm good at scum yet

The other way around

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{Vedith, Alisae, Krazy} null-town
{Firebringer, Allo, Dann, Dr.W, Gamma, Taly, Anka, RC} null
{PB} null-scum
{ND39} lean-scum

Vedith; weakest town-read off of a single interaction with ND39.

Alisae; similarly to last game, otherwise nothing of hers pings.

Krazy; town-read based on his initial mech posts, as well as his general vibe.

PB; scum-read for posts/vibes that contradicts (other players I guess?), early interaction with someone.

ND39; posts pinged from the start. I'm not sure of what's going on with the replacement business.

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I'm assuming people are going to hate me if we try to organize dance pairings so I was planning on, like, not doing that

Think we eventually are, but not yet.

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Hate Nancy's playstyle all you want she's not scum

It's not of the playstyle (as far as I'm willing to believe), or of her emotional response later. Her initial posts pinged scum, and I'm not the only one to have felt that.

Her content didn't play like this last game, if that means anything.

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RC are these accusations accurate;

I mean i like you and you are so cute but what if we don't work out. W-wwould you mind if I think about it for a minute?

You take all the time in the world to decide!
I'm sure when that cigarette smoking, tattoo having brute RC comes he will try and steal you from me... But when the time comes I have a new plan up my sleeve to win this dance with you!

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Taly coming in hot.

pedit noo why are we fighting

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Taly coming in hot.

pedit noo why are we fighting

How about you fan the flames more and actually ask me a question?

If I - alongside a third of the playerlist is a nullread to you - it might be a good idea to do something about it.

I appreciate the intentions, but the form certainly has room for improvement. I'll see what I can ask of you in a bit.

Interaction's good, but preferably we keep it civil/less emotional, is all I'm trying to imply.

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RC why is Nancy town?

Why is

Nancy

scum again?

I was too busy noticing the quick, several-person strong push on her to remember why it was valid?

I'm floored if everyone who has spoken about a scumread on

Nancy

is town.

The whole topic and last 10 pages are a bullshit red herring from actually having contructive dialogue for town.

Do you have other reads

Ank

?

You said

Dann

and

Krazy

are scum, so has anything changed? Why?

We're taking the heat off of Nancy because why?

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I appreciate the intentions, but the form certainly has room for improvement. I'll see what I can ask of you in a bit.

Interaction's good, but preferably we keep it civil/less emotional, is all I'm trying to imply.

This goes to Firebringer too. I love you man, but the charisma could be slightly better.

pedit; I feel Nancy's push has been reasonable enough to warrent a discuss.

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gn Taly <3

[PvtUrist]

I feel like everyone is ignoring me rn which concerns me

Hello Gamma, I'm Urist.

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There I read it and I townread her

Does that make you feel any differently

Why would it make me feel differently if all you say is that you townread it without discussing anything about it?

You've already answered that question

You case on her makes me feel more sure she's town rather than less sure

umm

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wolf

I don't recall anyone here implying that

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Bro

What if I'm right on someone who I'm way more familiar with than you are

what is this argument

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pagetop for

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(fyi I'm feeling TvT between FB!RC here, don't wolf read me for this)

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btw RIP my Dunn nullread

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Annabella,

what's the issue fella?

pedit; rip

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Ctrl+C/save elsewhere everytime with large posts, incase that happens.

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Dr Worm lol

is this Jester read

Pink Ball lol

is this Jester claim

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Yeah my Dann read isn't getting any better

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The Dunn was an attractive lad, hence the confusion.

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HURT: Firebringer is this a thing

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yay it works

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Time to go and get that rental car!

seems legit

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NO we're not lolpairing yet

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hit the back on your browser and should all be still there. Unless you didn't hit preview before posting.

Who hits preview?

I see you also only live once.

I'm so tempted right now

No. Have some respect for yourself.

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fasf

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not my fault FB's too easy

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not my fault FB's too easy

HEY, you take that back you pig!

nah

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Wait what? We gave vedith the eight coins? How dumb are yall?

Just means each of these lovely ladies get a vote each! \o/
I'm actually an incel, and we should lynch all ladies.

wtf

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Wait what? We gave vedith the eight coins? How dumb are yall?

goddamn it FB I see you haven't learned from the previous encounter

[PvtUrist]

TW left you, the guy before that almost burned you alive, and now you're dancing with someone who can't tell the difference between jihad and incel

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fasf

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Vedith how are your reads currently?

(no more "roleplay" from me, there's enough shit in the thread for people to go through)

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@Pvt, I know your read on me has changed, have any of your other null reads solidified since then? It don't like how the only thing of substance in your ISO is giving out null reads to the majority of the game

Jeez, if you're gonna shade atleast pretend you're trying to hide it. Don't be asking of others before you've accomplished them yourself.

You're my biggest scum read, and #927 solidifys that further. Otherwise I'll post some updates in a little while.

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Your scum read on me literally only came right after I started questioning you. Why do you think I'm scum? because from my perspective it looks like omgus

I can't tell if this is srs or troll

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why would it be a troll? I pointed at things I didn't like from you and then you started scum reading me.

btw RIP my Dunn nullread

Yeah my Dann read isn't getting any better

lol

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you're doing OMGUS, then implying I'm doing OMGUS. This is fucking dumb.

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I'll take a break, haven't had the best of times today.

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pedit; No worries, I'll explain reads a bit more in detail tomorrow. If I've been overly harsh for the past posts, I do apologize.

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Not all alts are created equally.

tbh we had people like Dunn, Slaxx, mcqueen and Celica last game who did bothered to play seriously.

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is there a votekick option?

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serious might've not been the best word, it's just that there were people that got the game going and that was fun,

maybe I'm just speaking a bit soon about it.

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Alpha; Big leader or Big boss, not Big dumbass.

I'll be mostly away for 2-3 days, so probably not gonna be able to completely keep up with the thread for a little. Is there anything that I'll need to answer or know of?

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Alpha; Big leader or Big boss,

not Big dumbass.

What???

wrt the bolded?

My definition of "alpha" (a term that's wildly misused, unfortunately) is someone who cares and gets shit done, but isn't a dumbass in sense of show offs or put downs (put downs=less "resource" to work with than otherwise, hence dumbass).

I'll take a bit of time to post my Dann reads, it's similiar to what happened in Mirco 848 against TW, I'll be needing to putting my thoughts into words,
which is something I'm less than adapt at.

[PvtUrist]

Alpha; Big leader or Big boss,

not Big dumbass.

I'll be mostly away for 2-3 days, so probably not gonna be able to completely keep up with the thread for a little. Is there anything that I'll need to answer or know of?

What???

wrt the bolded?

He's calling me a big dumbass

@Urist, care to explain that?

That's not how you're suppose to interpret it at all

The term was against the people who misuse it (and are of the stereotypical form of "alpha"), not you.

[PvtUrist]

Alpha; Big leader or Big boss,

not Big dumbass.

What???

wrt the bolded?

My definition of "alpha" (a term that's wildly misused, unfortunately) is someone who cares and gets shit done, but isn't a dumbass in sense of show offs or put downs (put downs=less "resource" to work with than otherwise, hence dumbass).

I'll take a bit of time to post my Dann reads, it's similiar to what happened in Mirco 848 against TW, I'll be needing to putting my thoughts into words,
which is something I'm less than adapt at.

alpha males aren't real. the guy who did the research on the wolves (not even humans, btw) later did more research and found that he was originally wrong and alphas and betas don't exist. It was literally debunked by its creator

Was originally going to link this, the original research was done on wolves in captive, not wild wolves.

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him

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Good enough for me. I've not played with town!Dann before, so I've not got a good reference, but

he's a player I like so I want him as town.

This is the issue I'm feeling. I don't have strong indications of scum!Dann (atleast, not things that I can place into words reliably) but I'm feeling that more than 1 player here is viewing the handsome rogue through rose tinted glasses.

Dann's been pretty charasmatic, and I do like his personality. As redundent as this might be, likability=/=allignment, and at the very least I'd prefer if people didn't conf-town Dann and completely place him out of the equation yet.

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was gonna make a "catch up" food pun then I realise I've already made one

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PvtUrist, Krazy, RadiantCowbells, Moment, Dannflor, DoubtingThomas, Dr Worm, Vedith, they're pretty cute

[PvtUrist]

not cute enough

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Here's my ISO from a skim;

-Fluff intro
-Redundent readlist
-More fluff
-Accusation vs Dann that's yet to be backed
-More fluff
-More fluff

so, I'll be needing to play better

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Here's my ISO from a skim;

-Fluff intro
-Redundent readlist
-More fluff
-Accusation vs Dann that's yet to be backed
-More fluff
-More fluff

so, I'll be needing to play better

Soooooo yes, thank you for supporting my point

I... guess?

Urist looking worse by this. :/

Where exactly is that? I'm fully aware I haven't been playing well at all, but where's the scumread from this?

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I'm not expecting to make it into the last 6, take that as you will.

{Krazy, Taly, Anka, ND39, Allo, Gamma, Vedith, DT, Brie}
{Alisae, FB, Dr.W, RC}
{PB, Dann, Moment}

are where I'm at.

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#1265 #1814 posts of DT that felt genuine.

It's nothing solid, and again consists of 1) seems genuine, and 2) no scum pings yet.

Besides, DT doesn't add up into my {PB, Dann, Moment} scum team theory.

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#1265 #1814 posts of DT that felt genuine.

It's nothing solid, and again consists of 1) seems genuine, and 2) no scum pings yet.

Besides, DT doesn't add up into my {PB, Dann, Moment} scum team theory.

Ah, I see you've taken the tinfoil hat road by thinking my interactions with Dann are svs. Welcome to the club. I'm pairing with Dann as soon as he has the guts to invite me to dance, do you think that would be wise coming from an svs?

PB!Dann SvS interaction? Suppose I missed that.

No, you and Dann and scumreads for different, non SvS interaction reasons.

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Dann's posts continues to ping scum to me.

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Page 9.

I gut townread Allomancer.

I'm right around where you're calling Dannflor scum for "wooden posting" and weak setup-spec and other such reasons. I myself find this fairly towny:

A lot of people are posting a lot, very few people have said anything of value.

Vedith’s self preservation is town, also

In my experience, scum in this situation goes for fabricating some uncontroversial read to talk about rather than both declaring that nothing much of value has been said yet and making a completely out of left field townread on someone being scumread.

Moment's post on whitewashing Dann.

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I'm not expecting to make it into the last 6, take that as you will.

{Krazy, Taly, Anka, ND39, Allo, Gamma, Vedith, DT, Brie}
{Alisae, FB, Dr.W, RC}
{PB, Dann, Moment}

are where I'm at.

Why are PB and especially Dann so low?

They're scum reads.
PB for gut/tone-read,
Dann as explained, and
Moment as above.

The list of players currently already townread is also a factor.

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Don't be lazy. Have you read any game with me in it in order to scum toneread me? And gut why? You're just not giving a chance to reply to your read on me

1)Your read on Nancy at the beginning of the game were conflicting, it's no longer the case and I should've taken that into account.

2)Your current read on Dann.

3)Your pocket on me, then I read through your ISO and realised it was genuine.

tone/gut read came from 1), something that's redundant that I've forgot. 3) is BS from me now that I've realised. 2) still stays, but it's not enough for a scumread.

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Let's straight this out;

scum!Urist vs town!Dann; Urist attacking an universally read town and is making a dumb move.

scum!Urist vs scum!Dann; Urist attacking an universal town read and is making a dumb move.

which leaves;

town!Urist vs town!Dann; If this is the case, then there shouldn't be any issues, seeing as everybody else town reads Dann. It's just some crazy lad who needs to make reads better.

town!Urist vs scum!Dann; RIP town.

pedit; I know PB, I'm also thinking of the foodcoats situation. If it's TvT, no biggie. If it's TvS, I'll just need to learn to be more convincing.

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Realised I was playing worse than I remembered

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wubwub

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Moment are you scum?

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I like to be held more than to do the holding though

Lady Annabelle, care for a dance?

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So it's probably not a good idea to be very vocal about your townreads.

Interesting

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the hopeless romantic in me wants to agree to that but the rational part of me if slapping that other part of me down to the ground

Take my hand and I'll convince the rational side of you.

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Don't be lazy. Have you read any game with me in it in order to scum toneread me? And gut why? You're just not giving a chance to reply to your read on me

1)Your read on Nancy at the beginning of the game were conflicting, it's no longer the case and I should've taken that into account.

2)Your current read on Dann.

3)Your pocket on me, then I read through your ISO and realised it was genuine.

tone/gut read came from 1), something that's redundant that I've forgot. 3) is BS from me now that I've realised. 2) still stays, but it's not enough for a scumread.

This explains my scumread on PB. Looking back, there really isn't anything that's legit scummy, as 1) is no longer the case, 2) is ~NAI and 3) is me being dumb.

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PB is currently a town read based off our interaction back in page 82-84.

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deadline's in 1 day?

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oh right nvm ignore 2116 :Facepalm:

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Right, sorry was looking back at your reads list.

Who is your current bottom 2 ladies/bottom 3 gents?

Haven't really been focusing on the role side of thing, not really taking into account mechanics into reads personally (prehaps I should?).

current bottom lady is Something_Smart, Alisae's slot and not of the most impressive intro so far.
Only suspicion on the lady's side for now, there's not really a second scum read on the list.

Dann and Moments bottom gent. DR.W is null, but granted I have been pretty much entirely skipping his posts.

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:45 am + 8 days =

(expired on 2019-02-15 01:45:00) ?

account mechanics into reads personally

you mean like coin counts? or do you mean the mech discussions people had? sorry not sure of the question here

Coin counts and gent/lady. I generally agree with mech discussions.

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something smart is townie

y

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Spoiler: 2086

I am a beautiful lady

However, it is hard to follow Alisae... I definitely won't do eir slot justice. But I will try my best

Spoiler: 2089

However, what I won't do is read 83 pages. I'm usually fine going forward on replacing in, but my catchup reads are trash. I bet I'll do better keeping a clear head and an open mind.

Spoiler: 2091

Hi Something_Smart!

your predecessor claimed miller before she replaced out, would you like to confirm that roleclaim?

Oh really, Alisae only claimed the miller part? I'm actually a deathproof miller survivor dayvig.

(And more importantly, I read open setups before replacing into them )

Spoiler: 2103

momentum

*rimshot*

Also, I've been thinking. Scum get to make someone an IC. It would help immensely if they couldn't pick someone everyone already knew was town. So it's probably not a good idea to be very vocal about your townreads. Hmm, if only there were some other thread you could post them in... :thonk:

So, yeah. Whoever dances with me, this is what we are going to be talking about. Ideally, I'd like it to be someone who also prefers townhunting to scumhunting.

FB, which one of these posts felt town to you?

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gn Krazy, gn Anka

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Firebringer's allowed to townread you because Alisae,

I'm not allowed to scumread you because banana?

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Honestly this is where my scum reads on Pvt and Allo come from. They both feel similar to "having reads just for the sake of having reads"

Oh no. No no no.

Can't bait me if I have my mouth closed

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I see the party carries on through the night.

Anything important I missed?

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Allomancer

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3-shot Compulsive Dayvig

go

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Shoot Ankamius, Toby, Toby

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It seems RC's the man with both the emotional and logical appeal.

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moment is town.

y

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Did anyone ever get back to me on their urist townread? I don't remember if anyone did or not but I somewhat skimmed the 9 pages while I was asleep so it's possible I missed it

PB's case was meta based, but

I'm not convinced by it

.

Let's not just leave it at that. Explain.

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If I had to pick one atm I'd probably pick Moment because I feel like I'd get along pretty well with him.

Outside of this game or within a different PT?

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Wish I was a dayvig

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I'm starting to like this guy

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what is this heresy you're speaking of Anka

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How you doing Eddie Cane?

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what is going on with this page

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I'm still trying to recover from the wound you left on my heart

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Vedith - Firebringer are 8 coin pair

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at least until Pvt is forced to engage with me on some level

nah

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hey Pvt i forgot if uw ere a lady or gent but it seems like you are being scum read

why is that

I'm lost without a lynch mechanic being a thing,

that and I'm not feeling the ability to push a universal town read that really shouldn't be.

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who is a universal town read

also what do you mean no lynch mechanic i thought we can lynch people during dances

the Mann.

The pre-dance's without votes, which is something I rely (maybe too much) on sorting.

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why would pre-dance being voteless really matter to sort people when you can sort people during the dances

1)During dances there's Lovers and coin mechanics which I don't know how much they'd affect things (compared to normal).

2)I prefer

much

more to sort early rather than late, as I believe the later the more of a mess and more bias there is.

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inb4 Allo and SS both flip town

My statement still stands, if it's town!Dann, easy game. scum!Dann, good luck.

Right now I'm more worried about what I can learn from the game, rather than what I can do for town here. Regardless of Dann's actual allignment, I've royally screwed myself with my tunnel in a place where I'm not feeling the ability to push it (first time for this to appear), as well as the ability to read the game without tilt or bias.

I'd avocate for a Dann flip, but it's much more for my selfish, ego related reasons than what's potentially best for the game.

Just haven't been knowing how to interact or progress with the game for the past few days.

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inb4 Allo and SS both flip town

Wtf is this supposed to mean?

Is this an agree of a disagree?

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Intro; already felt off/ungenuine by the second post, don't know what 33 meant.

Spoiler: 29, 30, 33

Hello, ladies and gentlemen!

Here's hoping this isn't a high school drama redux

I don't have a car but I look good in a suit and I'll buy you flowers

A little out of my element, I can't adopt my usual strategy of standing by the food and swaying occasionally.

Cute comments that does nothing for the game, this doesn't stop happening either.

Spoiler: 40, 49

You're a bit of a player, aren't you?

Vedith is starting to remind me of every bad boyfriend I’ve ever had.

But maybe this time you can change him!

NAI mech talk;

Spoiler: 60, 70, 78, 89, 94

To add to what Taly said, pairs should probably be decided near end of the pre-dance so we have the most info when making them. ...or we just pick a date we think is cute.

I mean ladies know how many coins they have yea? Can we just pair town read gents with high coin ladies, or am I missing something?

The idea of “do no sorting pre-dance” seems all sorts of wrong. If we keep coin mechanics in mind when we make our pairings I think we’re safeish?

The risk is pairing Mafia men with high coin ladies, yea? Is the solution not to claim coin totals and keep those in mind when making our town pairings (if we scum read the high coin ladies it could make the pairs messy but it would help eliminate the risk)?

Pedit: I’ll think about it more when I get home at a computer. There’s merit to discussing this, but my gut feeling is we shouldn’t just throw out reads for the first half of the game

More NAI mech talk;

Spoiler: 94, 106, 110, 113

I think reads can still be pulled out of pre-dance well, it’ll just be a little harder and take more time than a normal game due to all the fluff

1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing

I like this quite a bit

No lynching after the first day also gets us down to an odd number of pairs after the NK, yea?

So if I'm focusing a lot on setup spec rather than reads right now, it's because *one scenario in setup spec means we don't even talk about reads* which I know sounds really counter-intuitive and maybe dumb.

I'm not following that scum have as much power as you say they do in the first dance, even considering worst possible scenario coin totals. Won't the orchestration of a lynch on a pair that's been universally agreed to be town essentially reveal the entire scum team?

Like if town agrees on the town pairs, then it'd be obvious if one of them gets lynched by the scum team

Complains of fluff when his own posts are NAI. Townread on Vedith.

Spoiler: 211

I agree that high coin ladies should claim since I did it last game

But I vehemently deny that skipping first dance is a good idea in any stretch

I agree

Dann is a scumread too btw

I disagree

He's done nothing that's town and the way he's dancing around the setup discussion feels too "scum trying to post a lot to hide how little they're saying" for my taste

A lot of people are posting a lot, very few people have said anything of value.

Vedith’s self preservation is town, also

Gets called out for posts that don't advance the game.

Spoiler: 213, 218

Your posting specifically is wooden and doesn't even look to be advancing that discussion like everybody else's is

Why is that if you are town?

Well I disagree my posting is wooden

I think the setup discussion was necessary to have and get out of the way early. I disagree everyone else is advancing discussion, in fact there’s been a lot of redundant posts/discussion along the lines of what you’re criticizing me for. I’ll explain what I mean when I get home

First readlist;

Spoiler: 237, 268, 307

Vedith is seeming kinda scummy here.

This is scummy

I didn’t find it scummy because you didn’t supply reasoning, Allomancer. That’s a bit of a leap. I’ll explain when I get home because my phone is about to die

I don't like this because it's a lazy read. I don't like the "seeming kinda" wording to begin with, but aside from that, I think scum reading Vedith is easy but doesn't really make sense if you think about it. I don't think scum shows as much desperation to get a dance as he does. Worst case scenario, scum can buddy and pair up if they have to. Probably not optimal, but their strategy is probably closer to pocketing one person and not really worrying about being the odd man out. The motivation behind that behavior (even joking behavior) comes from town imo

Also, I don't like Allomancer's immediate defensiveness of not justifying his reads and pointing to previous games as "look I'm matching my town meta!" Doesn't seem like a town response

I think Vedith, Gamma, Ankamius, and Alisae are town

Don't like Allomancer, Nancy or Tally tbh

Krazy is mixed but leaning town

tl;dr Initial posts are fluff disguised as mech talk. Agenda of appealing rather than actually benefitting town. Intro is NAI/scum-lean.

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Scumreads Nancy and Taly for "empty posts", which ofcourse is unlike what he's been posting.

Spoiler: 312, 315, 318

Nancy, what are your reads at this point?

Because you ask a lot of (imo seemingly empty) questions but don't seem to be following through/drawing any conclusions from them.

Because he didn’t state a reason for his Vedith scumread?

Why is this such a sticking point? No one ever said not stating reasons was scummy, that's not what this is about

Spoiler: 331

Why not Taly? He seemed pretty damned townie to me?

ISO is surface level fine, but it's mostly just repeating and restating stuff that has already been said and asking some empty questions.

Implys that he doesn't scumread Nancy,

Spoiler: 339

Nancy, what are your reads at this point?

Because you ask a lot of (imo seemingly empty) questions but don't seem to be following through/drawing any conclusions from them.

Could you answer this?

Mostly, I consider asking a lot of questions without there being an actual point to them a scum tell. Also, your weird defense of yourself saying you're only being scum read because you town read Allomancer? I don't think anyone said that and it's a weird conclusion to jump to. It doesn't correlate with people saying you seem off

So what's this then?

Spoiler: 325

Okay, so apparently I’m scum for not automatically being convinced Allo’s scum here, got it.,

No. That's not at all why I scum read you.

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fml closed a post to ninja

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I don't get the constant

PvtUrist V Dannflor

dichotomy bullshit being made, but it doesn't feel natural anymore; I don't want to cultivate more uncertainty over those two, but the TvT vibe about them has partially dissipated

Good. That's the intention.

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Let's do this instead: find his partners and I'll give you a cookie. Maybe two.

'cause you're not getting him lynched while dancing with Nancyn

g

and that furthers my issue with mech that I've previously explained.

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I don't get the constant

PvtUrist V Dannflor

dichotomy bullshit being made, but it doesn't feel natural anymore; I don't want to cultivate more uncertainty over those two, but the TvT vibe about them has partially dissipated

Good. That's the intention.

In what world is this town-motivated?

Wait for a flip on one of us then you'll know.

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Here's a question.

While I go on why I scumread Dann, can anyone tell me specifically where they townread Dann?

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Here's my point;

If I can't convince people of my allignment, then I'll let my flip do so.

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Here's the comments I'm expecting (one of already posted by someone);

1) "So you want us to leave you in pre-dance?" No, I'd prefer to have interactions in the First Dance and Intermission, but it's better to

not

have me in an endgame/lylo situation, unless something drastically changes the game.

2) "This is scum!Urist desperately using WIFOM" I intend on being flipped before the game ends, so no.

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Scum gentlemen are among {Krazy, RC, Allo, DT}.
Scum ladies among {GE, PB}.

Decided just now to leave Urist out becaues of 3283.

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You're a

Yes, ofcourse there is Moment. Maybe actually pay attention to things once in a while.

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I'll chill for a bit, wouldn't want to write something I'd regret later.

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Fuck you.

:/

I'll have a read before answer your question, Krazy.

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what on earth is this argument

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I'm feeling one/both of you are missing eachothers points here

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me: i want to leave the dance because im not an endgame pairing

Why not?

you: see this is is so wolfy we should lynch you

I don't recall seeing Krazy ever implying this.

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and RC isn't being aggressive at you at all

Again, don't think Krazy ever implied this.

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Scottish accent in general is gr8. perfect 10/10. So pleasant to the ears.

+1

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Been finding it difficult to get back into the game, I'll admit that I currently have no scumreads (rather, not one with enough evidence or confidence to push on, after what happened with Dann).

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Why should

Urist

be kept in the dance

I'm town

Any other suspicion besides

Dann

?

Idunno you?

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So here.

PB, Dann and Krazy have explained their town-read on me. Taly and Anka, mind explaining your scum read?

While you're at it, explain why exactly Allomancer is town and should be in the dance before me.

I'll try to play a bit more seriously, now that I'm no longer drunk tunneling.

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Something_Smart, dance with me would you?

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first dance just in time for Valentine

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Krazy don't respond to this yet

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RC don't respond to this yet

nah I was quoting this

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I choose C

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as much as I hate the indifference-born gamelong scumread on

Allo

.

What socery is this

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Good point

Taly

town points for you

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RC is locktown now

You shall be held responsible it RC rolled scum

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Likely=possible?

I just learned something new today.

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Welp, so far arguments against me are;

dunno just don't like pvturist

I'm confused where all these urist townreads came from

He's the only slot I don't remember a single thing of

So I'm looking forwards to what

Taly

has to offer.

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I see you've been asking for reasons of why I'm being townread for like half of the game now.

So why the scumread on me, Ank?

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Formal dance invitation to teh Gamma

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wait why am I the IC

why not Taly

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Vedith - Firebringer

Dr Worm

-

Pink Ball

Krazy

- Taly

Dancefloor

-

Nancy Drew 39

Moment - TheBrie
DoubtingThomas - Something_Smart

PvtUrist

-

Gamma Emerald

Current town-reads. Dark greens are conf/strong town, light greens are lean town.

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Your MAIN concern, ought to be scumhunting.

Not yet, no. I get to the dance, then I scum hunt!
I don't know what you want here, I'm being honest!

it's time

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you're both too hot

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intention to hammer

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There's so many town-reads I'm starting to think it's maybe something insane like Krazy!Taly

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wot

Dr please stay

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Moment is town read

The_Bread is town read

I'm lost why are they scam

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WELCOME BACK MOMENT

I'm in PB's pocket

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It's funny, because Krazy and Taly are the only ones alive I'm not entirely town reading

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I will respond to your question in a Moment, Krazy

first, let's stop and appreciate what magnificant this is;

Spoiler:

ANKAMOUSE

AKIASAE

ALISAER

NACNY

ALLOWMANSTER and FREEBRANGER

DAMNFLOOR

RADIANTCOWBALLS

GAMMAMERALD

PINKBELLS

PINKYBULL

NANYC

DOUBLETOMAS

NANY

THEBREAD

DANNFORL

SOMETHING_SHART

PVIRUS

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So, beef with Taly.

1)I have this habit of tunneling non-confirmed conf-towns (such as Newbie 1905 vs foodcoats, Newbie 1907 vs Nauci, this game vs Dannflor, etc) and usually I'm proven otherwise.

2)The issue is the sheer amount of town-reads/lack of scum-reads in this game. This directs me towards; players that aren't as much of town reads (based off of tone/gut), and more experienced players.

The emphasise is that I'm having too many town reads, not enough scum reads, and a Krazy!Taly flip may or may not change that.

I want to know how other people are thinking in regards to flips. I didn't want to keep being inactive, and replacing out would be extremely rude. So this is what I've currently got.

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hmm

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The_Bread is town

Gamma is town

Moment is lynch bait

there's 2 wolves

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1) Call it consistent tone and not agenda driven, which are my reads on the current "lynch-pool", and mostly not the case on the "conf-town pool".

2) This Moment!TB --> Urist!Gamma lynch seems way too

easy

, more importantly,

there's next to no resistance

, which lines up with wolves theory.

I'm not going deeper into reads, because;

a) not something I'm capable with within these players, and

b) the 2 scum gon shit on my reads anyway

[PvtUrist]

Krazy

-

Taly

Dannflor

-

Nancy Drew 39

Moment

-

TheBrie

PvtUrist

-

Gamma Emerald

Calling the current flips all gon be green

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Note that the current lynch reasons are "less town-read", not "scummier", which could be said for about the entire game. I don't believe that's a coincidence.

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Are you trying to shame my scumread away from you? Because #5244 feels oddly emotionally manipulative.

-"universally townread"
- "disregarding the multiple times I've been weary of pocketed"
- "looked deeper into why I'm being townread to see scum-motivation"
- "consistently asking why people find me so towny"

-probably incorrect into rose tinted glasses
- can't be pocket if you're scam
- scam can do this
- scam should (did) do this

I'm not sure what you're intention is of on your second chapter. Do you imply that it's incorrect? The method is incorrect?

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I hard scumread

Gamma

. My vote on him isn't

"I think he might be town but PoE is leading me to..."

This post's NAI. I'd expect both town!Tal and scum!Taly to post this. Ok, maybe not town!Tal.

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2) This Moment!TB --> Urist!Gamma lynch seems way too easy, more importantly, there's next to no resistance, which lines up with wolves theory.

If you're saying

Gamma+Your

lynch is too easy, then what do you think about

Moment+TB

?

There was virtually no resistance there until I countered the idea that scum was on it based on

DT's

flip.

So why are Moment!TB scum again?

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becaue I'm not convinced that there's scum within Moment!TB!Gamma.

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So we're just going to ignore all my points on

Gamma

being scum and write it off through the idea that I'm scum?

Even though I've wanted people to examine me more thoroughly throughout this entire game?

more apples

ok y Gam scam

That's a very coincidental read reverse

Gamma

.

0.0

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Even though I've wanted people to examine me more thoroughly throughout this entire game?

This is NAI/scam bamboozle

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I think

Urist's

posts matter but I know he's misled on at least one of his reads.

Another reason why

Urist

-IC makes very little sense for me to do or allow as scum.

I think

Urist's

posts matter but I know he's misled on at least one of his reads.

I know

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TheBrie+Moment

I don't know the 3rd scum, but I'm becoming less confident in lynching

PB

off the bat or partially-apathy lynching

Moment+TheBrie

, because that almost feels like the point of lynching them right now tbh...

Gamma

-scum having

Urist

-IC is a good call for scum on a few reasons:

1)

Urists'

reads could be wrong on some currently living pairs, and him being IC vindicates his pushes.

2)

Gamma

was suspected late Pre-Dance, and IC'ing his partner would thwart off suspicion on him for awhile.

I haven't brought up my full case on

Gamma

- as I'm still not 100% sold on them being scum - but I feel like in retrospect, they're more likely scum to me versus

PB

or

Moment/TheBrie

right now.

My fear is that - by lynching

Gamma

- we lose IC. I don't know if acting on this scumread with 5 pairs left still is wise?

I'm going to study. I'll be on in a few hours - and expand on my

Gamma

case if nothing has swayed me. I want people to ISO

Gamma

and come up with their thoughts.

Gamma

didn't vote

DT

because she thought he was scum.

Gamma

voted

DT

because she could push the narrative that incriminated

TheBrie

, via

DT

being a potential partner.

Gamma

scarcely voiced a read on

DT

before this point and her vote was right after mine, so it was a predictable time to buss.

It looked like a compromise-vote that validated her reads - since

DT

scumread

TheBrie

as well - which,

"surprise, surprise"

- is very similar to the reasoning that

Gamma

gave about

TheBrie

being scum of which had been all of 2 lines. 4417

Gamma's

post - 4755

DT's

post.

Moment

has ignored people's questions and

TheBrie's

acceptance of his invitation being

"shady"

was never really touched up on.

It just feels like an excuse to eliminate an easily lynchbaity pair.

I'm not saying

TheBrie+Moment

are locktown or even town/town, but I see almost 0 town-motivation behind

Gamma's

posts upon a

DT

scumflip, and I can link multiple posts right now of

Gamma

noting

Pink Ball+DW

as making 'noteworthy' posts

(4996 - 4999 and 5000 - and 5037)

, but sticks to

TheBrie+Moment

regardless of the large amounts of suspicion casted on

Pink Ball+DW

since AT LEAST

DT's

flip.

It just reads as

Gamma

lining up lynches off 0 basis of reading into the game or having a deep intent to solve it, and

Urist

is an ideal player to IC because he hasn't contradicted the wishes of scum.

Although, I don't like the way Gamma voted DT conditionally as a way to set up TheBrie/Moment as her next lynch if DT flipped red.

You know what I'm gonna change course here. I've been thinking lynching the scummiest pair imo was the best move but here's the thing: DT has been playing like I'd expect a partner of one of those 2 to play. So instead I'll vote DT with the statement that upon a scumflip Public Enemies #1 & 2 imo will be TB and Moment.
VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Like, I don't know if it even makes sense to say this. If DT flipped town, would Gamma suddenly not be pushing this pair anymore?

Looks like they've set us up earlier than I expected.

So the arguments I'm seeing are;

-Urist has shit and incorrect reads (this is repeated atleast 3 times by Taly)
-Gamma is scam because bus?

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Also if anyone has scumreads on Moment other than inactivity, do tell.

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Oh god this is still going

No comment.

Thanks for the game, FG.