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Still not caught up, sorry
I think I should explain my read on Morality: I tried to do a mastina and read him based off his first post, and the reason I scumread him was because his first post was talking based off what someone else has posted (going off A50's thoughts), which imo is a scum indicative way of entering the game because they fear of being judged when entering the game and thus opt for something safe.
I also have slightly suspected him for his posts after that because the timing of bringing up the miller claim felt like overjustification, and didn't like how much he was on me in general.
I am however starting to fear that this is a TvT because I'm in a similar state to him where I cannot catch up and I don't want to reach the state where we're lazily leaving votes on each other leading to a vicious cycle of growing scumreads. I am not convinced Morality is scum.
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I recall someone asking for my Dunnstral townread, this was the post I townread him forIn post 66, Dunnstral wrote:
Now wait a minuteIn post 66, Torque wrote:I like the fact A50 claiming he's not speaking in channels actually I think scum will just lurk and not claim so
Somebody said something about claiming channels to weed out scum who weren't posting anything in their channels
What's stopping a50 from being scum who, seeing that, came up with something so that he doesn't look bad for initially hiding?
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The issue is that I don't see Wisdom explaining his reads that much usually, especially when unprompted. One of his well known quotes I remember from him is "i dont explain my reads".
Granted, I have took Wisdom's Wiki into consideration and I've also never seen his scumplay, so I'm not confident on this read, but am still leaning slightly scum on him. This is also why I've been planning to do some Wisdom meta but I've not gotten round to doing it yet.
Also, reaffirming my Gamma townread.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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Correction: It looks like I'm 30 pages behindIn post 909, singletonking wrote:Keeping in mind I’m like 20 pages behindOn indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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FWIW, I didn't respond to this as claiming/denying this is unnecessary at this point and unnecessarily gives scum informationIn post 220, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:@BNL: Confirmation or rejection of mastina's mason claim is pretty much mandatory at this point.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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Is this your first game with Mastina?In post 285, Drixx wrote:I can't really imagine a world where Mastina lists me as a near top town read on so few posts.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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While I didn't like how Morality was so focused on me, this part gives me pause as it's different from any Flavor scumgame I've seen.In post 296, Morality wrote:So let me ask you a question; why do you think I expect people to magically know my meta rather than having an understanding of who I am as a player? BNL has modded a semi recent scum game of mine, and has played in a game where I won as SK, so is it out of line for me to believe that he could know my scum meta? That is why I felt his push is forced. Whether I’m correct remains to be seen, but it was enough for me to want to dive deeper into it.
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Disagree with Kokichi, I feel that their posting in mafia games have decreased sitewide overall. Mind expaining that more?In post 937, mastina wrote:Near/Mello as a scumread has remained much the same the entire game: given that this is a hydra of WISDOM and KOKICHI OMA, their entire presence here is incredibly lackluster. (For a start, I'd expect them to have the highest post count, bar none, given that BOTH heads are prolific posters. They have a respectably high post count, one of the highest, but it's spread across two heads who should have that amount if not double BY THEMSELVES, yet alone, as a hydra of both. But there's also the content OF the posts.)
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Dunnstral*
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Oh hi Drixx, you appear right when I call your nameIn post 1049, Drixx wrote:
I know right? It's almost like I'm trying to separate wheat from chaff and evaluate things which might actually help me solve the game.In post 1048, singletonking wrote:On iso I think I don't like Drixx
He seems too focused on certain events
Silly me.
Also ... /side eye at morality throwing out that post @ Mastina
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Agreed about fluffIn post 591, Spike and Jet wrote:VOTE: reasonably psychotic
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What noIn post 1063, Near x Mello wrote:also can we get votes on vedith
day is almost over
even if hes town its a fine lynch
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Toog's role seems townIn post 1061, Spike and Jet wrote:agree:
all your cross outs except toog and mastina
toog has some town looking role stuff but outside of that he is extremely underwhelming so not sure its town
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vedith being a bad vote
drixx being scummy/beetlejuice tell. but hes lurksacking hard so w/e
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How is that scumIn post 1106, Near x Mello wrote:Also Mastina blatantly lied in her post. She claims to think that as scum I post more and as town I post less (Even though this isn't true). So that contradicts what she is saying here.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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HowIn post 1126, Pink Ball wrote:Gamma who's vote on me is basically a scumclaimOn indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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In post 1131, singletonking wrote:WHat's the case on MastinaOn indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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SorryIn post 1130, singletonking wrote:Vedith role seems town
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@MOD: Will you accept Fuuko Ibuki as a pick, since she featured in Clannad, an anime whose first season aired in 2007?On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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Although this is a concern I have as wellIn post 1139, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:In post 1136, singletonking wrote:
SorryIn post 1130, singletonking wrote:Vedith role seems town
Fuko Ibuki from Clannad is 2007
This is a valid question but a dumb concern.In post 1137, singletonking wrote:@MOD: Will you accept Fuuko Ibuki as a pick, since she featured in Clannad, an anime whose first season aired in 2007?
If scum, fake claims should be assumed to exist; a fake claim failing to follow the rules of the game is just as likely as the moderator failing to properly curate pick submissions, and therefore NAI.
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In post 1161, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Speaking of my questions:
I'd like both millers to let me know how their miller functions. Only one answered(BNL/singletonking, iirc?), and they told me that they return a guilty on investigations, which does not tell me if they only return a guilty on alignment checks, or all types of checks.
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Did you actually go through my entire iso and summarise it lolIn post 1257, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Let's do some freeform stream of consciousness type review of BNL's play, instead of that post by post bullshit I tend to do, way too much work and tags and
Significant facts known about BNL/BNL's role: Mastina has claimed to be "informed" about BNL's alignment, BNL has claimed miller, and specifically stated that he "investigates unfavorably" to alignment checks, which should mean that trackers and such will return true results on his slot.
Enters thread with the miller claim and votes dunnstral, questions mello the townread they consider giving dunnstral(valid question), townreads clemency based on the way he claimed, didn't dodge my question about his miller but asked for elaboration, scumreads Morality based on entrance, then questions morality questioning his miller claim, notes difference between NxM's posting and expected posting, doesn't find them verbose enough/as willing to explain their reads as town!them, but admits no knowledge of scum!nxm, declares strict townreads on clemency, dunnstral, torque, C&Y, and gamma, questions vedith wagon(which is 3/5 comprised of his town reads, questioning is just asking for information so probably nai?),walks back scumread of morality, explains belief that an entrance based off what someone else has said is scummy(need to check all other players entrances to see if he should have also suspected others for the same reason), also suspected him because the timing of his miller commentary felt like "overjustification", and starts to fear it's a TvT(ask more?)so unvotes, questions mastina on claimed scumread of vedith and pink ball without willingness to vote them, then doubts that voting mastina is a good idea(after people start voting her), explains dunnstral townread goes back to 66(a suggestion that A50 could just as easily be scum explaining lurking in channels as town trying to prevent town from being stupid as they are inclined to do),notes a decision to ignore my request to confirm or deny mastina's(at this point abandoned) mason claim with him because of a concern that it unnecessarily gives scum information,moves morality to townlead from null(I guess?) based on 296, agrees with mastina with regards to wisdoms posting being lackluster, disagrees about kokichi head, declares a sheep of townreads on S&J for creatures meta(when in fact people were SCUMREADING S&J for creatures meta),(why? no reason given for the fear, just an expression of uncertainty that they are scum(which is pretty shitty given that they were willing to vote them off basically nothing, and morality wasn't at risk of being lynched....)dislikes Drixx, finds Pink Ball more likely town than scum, but doesn't have much an opinion of Vedith or PB, but warns people of voting Vedith because he's always weird, agrees with S&J about fluffiness of my posts, expresses extra dislike of Drixx for disappearing after responding to his post, votes Drixx(starts the push that leads to 4 quick votes), and thinks gamma is unlikely to be scum, asks for cases, indicating a weakness in terms of certainty in his previous list(which showed gamma as not a possible lynch), finds NxM scummy for saying it's fine to lynch Vedith even if he's town(fair, but he WAS defending scum), says Toog's claimed role of dying to any targeting effect N2 seems town(I mean, it's definitely not a scum role, but I don't see it as being outside the realm of possibility for a scum fake claim), finds Drixx not staying and engaging even though he claimed to be "lost" to be scummy, refuses to vote Gamma or Mastina, floats voting NxM, admits to not knowing why they're townreading mastina besides thinking posts were fairly towny1047 is a strict "not scum" sort of reads list, elaboration would be nice,, questioned NxM about their assumption that Mastina was lying about NxM's scum meta, rather than just being wrong, questions PB calling gamma's vote a scumclaim and calls vedith's role town, asks for case on mastina, calls out a clear problem with scum!Vedith's claim(if no day talk, almost certainly town indicative...if day talk, NAI), thinks I am possible scum for asking Vedith details about how their role functions(One of which, had they answered, would have given the flipped town doctor STRONG evidence that they needed to counterclaim(which you totally did preemptively but we were short on time so I forgive you Drixx), expresses a SUPER strong townread of gamma, and that mastina is less of a townread than gamma at this point(elaborate?> what makes the posts town?)(why?)
@BNL: Please respond to the concerns that are bolded/in a larger font. Most notably, please elaborate on how your reads list thingie was constructed, and how people so easily moved onto/off it, so I can know whether or not your reads actually mean anything, as well as your gamma read and where the strength in it comes from.
Overall reads like town I would say. No internal inconsistencies, except for the weird decision to unvote morality with no intentions of voting elsewhere/they were not under pressure/with no reason why they had suddenly stopped being a suspect.
Mastina+BnL are extremely unlikely to be scum together.
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Did you just name the lowest posters in the game as scum LOLIn post 1271, Near x Mello wrote:Elena, Robert, Morality
Thats the result of my reread
VOTE: Elena
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I felt like it was overjustification because it was when Morality turned on me, people stopped discussing the miller, and it felt like "People may townread BNL for this, let's shut down this reasoning" to accompany the scumreadIn post 1257, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Let's do some freeform stream of consciousness type review of BNL's play, instead of that post by post bullshit I tend to do, way too much work and tags and
Significant facts known about BNL/BNL's role: Mastina has claimed to be "informed" about BNL's alignment, BNL has claimed miller, and specifically stated that he "investigates unfavorably" to alignment checks, which should mean that trackers and such will return true results on his slot.
Enters thread with the miller claim and votes dunnstral, questions mello the townread they consider giving dunnstral(valid question), townreads clemency based on the way he claimed, didn't dodge my question about his miller but asked for elaboration, scumreads Morality based on entrance, then questions morality questioning his miller claim, notes difference between NxM's posting and expected posting, doesn't find them verbose enough/as willing to explain their reads as town!them, but admits no knowledge of scum!nxm, declares strict townreads on clemency, dunnstral, torque, C&Y, and gamma, questions vedith wagon(which is 3/5 comprised of his town reads, questioning is just asking for information so probably nai?),walks back scumread of morality, explains belief that an entrance based off what someone else has said is scummy(need to check all other players entrances to see if he should have also suspected others for the same reason), also suspected him because the timing of his miller commentary felt like "overjustification",(ask more?)
Didn't I explain I thought some of later Morality's posts felt like town, particularly how he got back into the thread?and starts to fear it's a TvT(why? no reason given for the fear, just an expression of uncertainty that they are scum(which is pretty shitty given that they were willing to vote them off basically nothing, and morality wasn't at risk of being lynched....)
Toog was because of his later claim. Clemency was because the way he approaced his miller claim.so unvotes, questions mastina on claimed scumread of vedith and pink ball without willingness to vote them, then doubts that voting mastina is a good idea(after people start voting her), explains dunnstral townread goes back to 66(a suggestion that A50 could just as easily be scum explaining lurking in channels as town trying to prevent town from being stupid as they are inclined to do),notes a decision to ignore my request to confirm or deny mastina's(at this point abandoned) mason claim with him because of a concern that it unnecessarily gives scum information,moves morality to townlead from null(I guess?) based on 296, agrees with mastina with regards to wisdoms posting being lackluster, disagrees about kokichi head, declares a sheep of townreads on S&J for creatures meta(when in fact people were SCUMREADING S&J for creatures meta),1047 is a strict "not scum" sort of reads list, elaboration would be nice,
The rest were gut. Everyone I crossed off was a townread of confortable strengthdislikes Drixx, finds Pink Ball more likely town than scum, but doesn't have much an opinion of Vedith or PB, but warns people of voting Vedith because he's always weird, agrees with S&J about fluffiness of my posts, expresses extra dislike of Drixx for disappearing after responding to his post, votes Drixx(starts the push that leads to 4 quick votes), and thinks gamma is unlikely to be scum, asks for cases, indicating a weakness in terms of certainty in his previous list(which showed gamma as not a possible lynch), finds NxM scummy for saying it's fine to lynch Vedith even if he's town(fair, but he WAS defending scum), says Toog's claimed role of dying to any targeting effect N2 seems town(I mean, it's definitely not a scum role, but I don't see it as being outside the realm of possibility for a scum fake claim), finds Drixx not staying and engaging even though he claimed to be "lost" to be scummy, refuses to vote Gamma or Mastina, floats voting NxM, admits to not knowing why they're townreading mastina besides thinking posts were fairly towny(elaborate?> what makes the posts town?)
Mastina is a read I really have trouble explaining. I just had a gut feeling about mastina feeling town. I can't really justify it further., questioned NxM about their assumption that Mastina was lying about NxM's scum meta, rather than just being wrong, questions PB calling gamma's vote a scumclaim and calls vedith's role town, asks for case on mastina, calls out a clear problem with scum!Vedith's claim(if no day talk, almost certainly town indicative...if day talk, NAI), thinks I am possible scum for asking Vedith details about how their role functions(One of which, had they answered, would have given the flipped town doctor STRONG evidence that they needed to counterclaim(which you totally did preemptively but we were short on time so I forgive you Drixx), expresses a SUPER strong townread of gamma, and that mastina is less of a townread than gamma at this point(why?)
Gamma was because he made a string of posts that seems mildly town motivated which NxM proceeded to call town and I sheeoed that read.
Also this entire post feels like a grab for towncred rather than actual sorting
@BNL: Please respond to the concerns that are bolded/in a larger font. Most notably, please elaborate on how your reads list thingie was constructed, and how people so easily moved onto/off it, so I can know whether or not your reads actually mean anything, as well as your gamma read and where the strength in it comes from.
Overall reads like town I would say. No internal inconsistencies, except for the weird decision to unvote morality with no intentions of voting elsewhere/they were not under pressure/with no reason why they had suddenly stopped being a suspect.
Mastina+BnL are extremely unlikely to be scum together.
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In post 1310, Near x Mello wrote:youre unbelievable though joan
you asked me not to be too sure of myself/control my ego etc (basically not be wisdom) and im doing it, i have barely pushed anyone in the game
to the point where I weird people out into scumreading me
and yet you still get to make the usual nonsensical attacks at me
so is it time to ignore you and return to being myself?
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dunno what prompts it
maybe the hydra
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