Open 749 | Vengecop - Over!

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Micc

There can be only one.

[PenguinPower]

{Vedith}

{Micc}

{Creature, x-wing}

{Draco Lucky, Dannflor}

{northsidegal, Dr Worm}

{BBmolla}

{0verki11}

{DoubtingThomas}

[PenguinPower]

PP, do you usually include the mod in your reads lists?

[PenguinPower]

I've already solved the game.

ezpz

[PenguinPower]

Dude....my list isn't real...it was order by last active (hence why the mod was included).

I just wanted to post a rainbow reads list.

[PenguinPower]

Exactly. It is a dangerous tool if not used properly.

[PenguinPower]

Hmm...

I miss KainTepes.

[PenguinPower]

Bad.

Leave wannabe-KainTepes alone.

[PenguinPower]

Also bad.

[PenguinPower]

My lips are sealed.

[PenguinPower]

You aren't reading.

[PenguinPower]

What's fun is that you have commented on other stuff after that but still want to bring that up...

[PenguinPower]

I'm not townreading him.

[PenguinPower]

nice job, pp. solid pagetop.

[PenguinPower]

Was there a reason you asked me that?

[PenguinPower]

oops Meant to say that you called his not reading while playing at a slayer's gambit of sorts was bad

-U2

I did?

[PenguinPower]

You aren't reading.

What's fun is that you have commented on other stuff after that but still want to bring that up...

yes, you insinuated it. I mean, I guess maybe you weren't insinuating that. But in that case, I'm not sure why it is "fun"

-U2

There are several reasons it could be fun.

[PenguinPower]

I'm good right now.

[PenguinPower]

Why is my vote on Micc bad?

[PenguinPower]

pls no wall...

[PenguinPower]

pls no wall...

I post walls so I can remember shit, its actually more for my benefit that yours.

More frequent, smaller posts - easier to find stuff when referencing specific points later on.

[PenguinPower]

Why is my vote on Micc bad?

coz i think micc's explanation is perfectly valid..like what's the point of a reaction test if you're not going to read reactions..
why do you think it warrants a vote?

i must admit what bb's doing seems more anti-town right now than scummy though..unless it's some scum gambit or something..there's too much attention on him rn..
UNVOTE:

My vote was before his explanation. Why does a valid point mean he's town? Can scum not make valid points?

[PenguinPower]

Absolutely nothing.

[PenguinPower]

Why don’t you need to sort them?

[PenguinPower]

Nothing has stood out as worth pushing so they're low priority. Enough time in that category usually leads to a general town read.

So, what has stood out about the four of us who aren't scummy enough to be in the lynchpool, but have done something to stand out enough to be a priority sort? DT aside because that's obvious.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Danflor

[PenguinPower]

Oh, no...my ISO is horrible.

[PenguinPower]

Also, there's one really bad vote over the past page or two that indicates a possible buddy. But we will let that stew for a bit.

This is an incredibly dumb statement.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Micc

[PenguinPower]

Hmm....

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Overkill

This is better for now.

[PenguinPower]

You're not going to get much out of me on D1 in terms of reads or reasons why (maybe in terms of reads if I have familiarity with the playerlist).

I also hate D1.

I'm never verbose. I find verbosity scummy.

[PenguinPower]

Creature is prob town though.

I want Vedith to be.

[PenguinPower]

why is micc scummy?

Is he?

and why did you decide overkill is the better wagon, even if dann (your scum read iirc) is on it?

you're more of a flip type of player?

gut/tone/meta supplemented with solid info.

When did I say Dann was a scumread?

[PenguinPower]

I've voted for a lot of people. There's a pattern there...

hint: see above

[PenguinPower]

Agree.

[PenguinPower]

And I don't think it's xwing

Agree - with less confidence.

[PenguinPower]

Also, there's one really bad vote over the past page or two that indicates a possible buddy. But we will let that stew for a bit.

This is an incredibly dumb statement.

For someone whose gotten easily offended with my banter in the past you’re being kind of a jerk. Want to elaborate on this at all?

-Slaxx

Have I played with you before?

It’s dumb because Overkill was at no risk of a lynch and it would make no sense for me as a scum buddy to vote the next highest wagon in an effort to swing it which is what you’re implying with your comment.

[PenguinPower]

He was at three votes which was the most at the time. Your vote on Dann tied them again.

-Slaxx

Oh wow...three whole votes? You act like that hasn't happened to multiple people...

[PenguinPower]

But worms don't kill!

LIES!

[PenguinPower]

Make sure the doc is on me tonight.

[PenguinPower]

Plus DT didn't even post.

What does this have to do with Overkill's alignment?

[PenguinPower]

Granted it was rushed. DT not posting still doesn't have anything to do with Overkill's alignment.

[PenguinPower]

VADETH and PONGWIN!! do you THINK OVERKILLED is TONWN or MAFIA??

His posting reminded me of the last game I played with him where he was godfather (Open 742), but that's not really strong enough to get a good read so...I dunno?

[PenguinPower]

Of course it does. My point is that not all players had a chance to do stuff rather than DT directly posting.
Shows that it was rushed therefore AI

Fair point.

[PenguinPower]

I'll bet you he flips scum

stakes: loser posts one new thread in GD with title and content of winner's choice. nothing bannable

Okay!
If we're allowed to do this friendly wager of course.

I wonder what site rules say about wagers.

[PenguinPower]

PONGWIN did YOU think DR WORM would REALLY HAMMER or JUST LOLZ??

Probably 70% certain you would.

[PenguinPower]

I wonder what site rules say about wagers.

Oh...this is what they say btw:

Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

[PenguinPower]

Still miss KainTepes.

[PenguinPower]

Because there was a 30% chance - in my mind - that you wouldn't.

[PenguinPower]

RC, I would like your thoughts on rainbow reads in general.

I would also like to know if you want to be #00FF00 in my rainbow reads.

[PenguinPower]

PP we should do them at the same time.
But tomorrow as I had doing it via phone!

I'm up for that. I actually have reads now so next one will be for serious.

[PenguinPower]

Over the night Slaxx and I came up with this poe

Micc
Vedith
BBmolla
PP
RC

This is a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad poe list.

[PenguinPower]

RC, I would like your thoughts on rainbow reads in general.

I would also like to know if you want to be #00FF00 in my rainbow reads.

i just watched al neri shoot fredo

Never watched the movie.

[PenguinPower]

Aww...I though we could be friends.

[PenguinPower]

Fair.

[PenguinPower]

PP - Which is actually why we think PP is only likely to be scum if Micc flips town. Outside of that, PP's iso is still not town-indicative, and his position on the wagon and vote hop prior to gettin on OK could def be a bus.

Do you know the definition of a bus? If I wanted to bus Overkill I would have pushed him in a way that actually made it look like I was not partners with him. If I was partners with Overkill I wouldn't have stayed on the wagon while Mr. Worm (you haven't earned the Dr. yet) was intimating hammering.

I was ambivalent (as a said, his ISO somewhat matched up a previous scum game, but wasn't enough) when Mr. Worm hammered. You can read those interaction again if you want.

Slaxx can't read me for shit, FYI.

[PenguinPower]

Worm...I think you are wrong.

[PenguinPower]

PONGYPOWER PLZ explain for MY BRAIN

Explain Vedith town?

I can't right now...sorry. Mostly gut atm. We'll see after we do our rainbow reads comparison tomorrow.

[PenguinPower]

Feel free to correct me,

I already did.

Simply voting your buddy when lynched is not bussing. Especially when Overkill's lynch was somewhat unexpected.

Bussing implies intent to distance.

[PenguinPower]

penguin pulling from wifom over this subject not really making me feel better about him either.

?

[PenguinPower]

though I think voting one's scum partner always implies some intent to distance

Not necessarily incorrect, but we were some 3 days into the game and I doubt scum thought that was a serious wagon for a lynch.

[PenguinPower]

though I think voting one's scum partner always implies some intent to distance

Not necessarily incorrect, but we were some 3 days into the game and I doubt scum thought

that

was a serious wagon for a lynch.

I'm not even sure what you're referring to anymore?
-U2

I was referring to the statement that I quoted. Replace the bolded "that" with Overkill if you are confused.

[PenguinPower]

In that case I'm pretty bored with your self-meta wifom. Did you have a question?

You realize that nothing that you quoted had anything to do with my self-meta?

[PenguinPower]

'night Vedith.

[PenguinPower]

did u not hear that he's pretty bored with ur self meta wifom?

Oh, sorry.

I get it now.

[PenguinPower]

Aww....I think RC is going to lynch me simply because I don't watch his references ever though we agree on reads...

[PenguinPower]

and I'm simply not interested in having this conversation with you in particular.

Don't really care...I was trying to help you understand, but I'm pretty done with that now.

[PenguinPower]

Does the panel have any more questions at this time?

-U2

Nah...I'd be okay if you were dayvigged.

[PenguinPower]

Such a useless question though...

[PenguinPower]

Too bad...as town I always wifom with self meta about my scum play.

[PenguinPower]

Now that is a movie I have watched.

[PenguinPower]

cause I'm the real article

p-edit

dammit nsg.

[PenguinPower]

It is now my mission to steal a pagetop.

[PenguinPower]

hmm

as part of my comprehensive stalking of NSG I am generally aware of the hours that she is asleep

I can nudge you at one of those hours to steal some pagetops

I think I'm ok stalking post #s in thread for now

[PenguinPower]

In retrospect, I really don't like how Vedith went from asking me where i implied OK was obv!scum to "showing 100% confidence." In the moment I wasn't sure where the 100% thing came from, but in retrospect, he pulled it out of his ass.

Nah...it was a pretty good question.

[PenguinPower]

Your play sucks and is full of ate that makes you seem uberscummy. I kinda want to lynch you just so I don't have to keep reading it.

[PenguinPower]

Vedith...we need to do rainbow reads tomorrow. I've got mine ready.

[PenguinPower]

Okay agreed.
I'm in a state where id be confident to.

Let me know when you're ready.

[PenguinPower]

It's 2am but rainbow read lists are important and to be taken very serious!
I will get onto my PC I'm a moment.

That's why I was waiting for tomorrow...but if you're still up...

[PenguinPower]

Wait I'm your second strongest townread

Wanna talk me through why

Directed at xwing?

[PenguinPower]

Go!

[PenguinPower]

{}

{Dr Worm, Vedith}

{xwing, RadiantCowbells}

{Dannflor}

{}

{BBMolla}

{Draco Lucky}

{Micc}

[PenguinPower]

Nice...

[PenguinPower]

I don't understand how anyone reads Worm.

I'll tell you later.

[PenguinPower]

so just to clarify

you both think that we are scum with Micc?

-U2

Oh...hi.

You have similar scum equity...yes.

[PenguinPower]

Go to bed, Vedith. We can talk tomorrow.

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

Over the night Slaxx and I came up with this poe

Micc
Vedith
BBmolla
PP
RC

This is a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad poe list.

We're going to revisit this and your current reads list in post game if you flip town

-U2

Um...I'm not a leading wagon, so this is a bit weird...

Would you like to ask me about it while I can respond? No?

[PenguinPower]

Okay night all.

/\/\

'night

[PenguinPower]

Yuck. Like...really yuck.

VOTE: Draco

[PenguinPower]

@PP: was there a reason you chose vedith out of all the others to compare rainbow lists with, and why?

Yes.

Have you heard of rainbow lists before?

[PenguinPower]

pedit: PP, no, this is the first time i've heard of a "rainbow" list..though i assume it's just another name for a read list with a confidence level of some sort..why do you ask?

I didn't expect you to. There's a reason I asked Vedith specifically.

[PenguinPower]

I'm sure you'll be another time, and we can converse then =)

We've contributed plenty today, and are waiting for Micc and RC to talk before going further.

@draco-u2: what do you think are your major contributions in this game for this particular day, and why?

I would probably describe our contributions as

-A full VCA and reads on the game with explanations

-Answering a slew of questions about our analysis from RC, PP, and Vedith

-A PoE from our analysis that we think wins the game.

I think you should give our iso for today a read if any of this seems unfamiliar

-U2

Oh why do we think those are our major contributions?

I don't really know how to answer this. Let's go with..

Because these are the things we have done today.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah...you are. You put me on pause, but decided to continuing answer other questions.

[PenguinPower]

Remember this?

We've contributed plenty today, and are waiting for Micc and RC to talk before going further.

[PenguinPower]

Selectively answering.

Cool.

[PenguinPower]

I'm not sure how you can read what we're saying and come away with this conclusion.

You are choosing which questions you want to answer, and which questions you would like to wait to answer for [reasons].

How would you describe that?

[PenguinPower]

We are choosing which questions we want to ASK (none atm) and which comments we want to give unsolicited (none atm) and answering anything thrown at us.

I've been answering everything thrown at us all game. I'm continuing to do so. I don't think you're reading. If you are, you certainly aren't comprehending.

Again, you're welcome to ask us anything you would like.

-U2

Since you want to be a pedant:

Over the night Slaxx and I came up with this poe

Micc
Vedith
BBmolla
PP
RC

This is a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad poe list.

We're going to revisit this and your current reads list in post game if you flip town

-U2

Um...I'm not a leading wagon, so this is a bit weird...

Would you like to ask me about it while I can respond? No?

Why do you want to wait until after I flip to reassess my reads there? Why did you not want to ask me when I made that post? Why did you feel like being a pedant?

[PenguinPower]

is the reason for choosing vedith secret for now? will you be revealing it anytime soon? is there something i should know about a rainbow list that's AI?

Totally not a secret. Happy to discuss later, though it is viewable if you want to take time to search our games (not expecting you to).

[PenguinPower]

So you're a dick instead of wanting to play the game?

Cool.

[PenguinPower]

Not really...your intent is to try and shame me post game instead of playing the game. You're an awesome guy.

[PenguinPower]

I'm fine pausing the discussion now, but I won't let it go later.

[PenguinPower]

We did it together to see if our reads match and personally it helps me with what alignment I think PP might be. I'm not sure if that's the same for PP.

Yes. Same for me.

And because we are both very very cool. \o/

This statement is accurate.

[PenguinPower]

Micc remains at the bottom and I will vote him if he doesn't post in 16 hours.

[PenguinPower]

Not compelling.

[PenguinPower]

That's plenty of latitude to post something game advancing given his previous comment . I'm not sure why that's *sigh* worthy.

[PenguinPower]

do you think Micc never, as town, goes this long without doing anything useful?

No. It's why I said 16 hours...

[PenguinPower]

It's indicative to me, but I haven't played with Micc enough to have certainty.

[PenguinPower]

Oh fun...

[PenguinPower]

Do you want me to tell you how I would go about winning as a {RC, micc} scum team?

-U2

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Vedith

Ok.

[PenguinPower]

Oh poop. I hate being IC.

[PenguinPower]

Trying to find my motivation.

Probably will take until tomorrow.

[PenguinPower]

Reading through this slog, I'm going to hammer something.

You all can decide my choices. Anyone who hammers who isn't me is scum.

[PenguinPower]

You think they are both scum, or one scum in between them?

[PenguinPower]

PS: i wanna hear from PP..

What do you want to hear?

[PenguinPower]

I want Mr. Dr Worm to explain Janko scum to me.

[PenguinPower]

I miss Scrubs

[PenguinPower]

The more Dann posts...the more I think he's scum.

[PenguinPower]

Don't like you trying to explain RC's reads and flow, especially with the "I've done the same" and admission you don't know him well.

Don't like your adjective usage in response to xwing.

Don't like your comment on AtE then using it.

Don't like your association for scum!Mr. Dr Worm.

I want your case for town!molla.

[PenguinPower]

Anything outside of early game?

[PenguinPower]

Waiting on the vc...but ok.

God I hate being IC.

[PenguinPower]

It causes me to lose all motivation because no one questions my reasoning or alignment (which is the primary way I get my reads). I get little to no flack for positions, and am asked for my reads (which I don't do) and stances.

IC in LyLo...sure I can live with that. IC outside LyLo. I hate it.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Junko

gross.

[PenguinPower]

An 8 minute p-edit?

[PenguinPower]

Yeah...good call.

[PenguinPower]

Grapefruit is the devil's fruit.

Penguins can drink saltwater because they have a special gland to filter the salt out.

My reads probably suck this game.

Being an IC sucks.

[PenguinPower]

You're demanding.

[PenguinPower]

I'm here Mr. Dr Worm

[PenguinPower]

He won't do it...it's one reason I went ahead with the hammer.

[PenguinPower]

He won't explain it.

[PenguinPower]

Reverse psychology.

Solid.

[PenguinPower]

we won. wut?