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Post Post #8050  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:49 am

Okay. Now explain why they'd use it. Or continue using it.
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Post Post #8051  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:57 am

In post 8050, Jingle wrote:Okay. Now explain why they'd use it. Or continue using it.


Being a day rep means having power. We can argue all day about if that power has a big influence at this stage in the game but it is an EXTRA power all the same. I think scum learned of this new ability on N1 or at least that is the first night they could use it and I believe they did.
After Boon announced that scum had this ability and all the attention the Day Reps got after D2, I think they might have become more cautious with the ability and I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't used it since.

Knowing what we now know, scum is probably contemplating an when using the ability is more productive for them. I would say starting around now or in a day or two. I think this because now there are less BOONus rounds each night and thus most likely fewer BOONus winners. Scum can use the "random day rep" announcement to their advantage. From this point on it will be hard for town to decipher who is scum out of the day reps because there will always be the "random" out for scum to use.

Like I have said a few times. I am not pushing for the lynch of the 3 day reps from D2 at this time. I just want that information out there because I think over time and as more info comes in from all sides, it will be a key piece of the puzzle.

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Post Post #8052  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:00 am

It really isn't extra power.

It's a way scum can out themselves if they want, but it's not extra power. And any halfway intelligent player would have seen that D1.
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Post Post #8053  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:02 am

In post 8052, Jingle wrote:It really isn't extra power.

It's a way scum can out themselves if they want, but it's not extra power. And any halfway intelligent player would have seen that D1.


How is ending the day not an extra power?

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Post Post #8054  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:10 am

Because they can't end the day.

It takes 3/4. If half of the day reps aren't scum, scum doesn't have any real influence to end the day prematurely.

If three day reps vote to end the day while discussion is still happening, they become obvious scum because the mechanic is public. Normally, that means they'd only do it when ending the day wins them the game, but they still can't do that here, because we can still vote in twilight. It's literally a completely useless role.
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Post Post #8055  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:15 am

In post 8054, Jingle wrote:Because they can't end the day.

It takes 3/4. If half of the day reps aren't scum, scum doesn't have any real influence to end the day prematurely.

If three day reps vote to end the day while discussion is still happening, they become obvious scum because the mechanic is public. Normally, that means they'd only do it when ending the day wins them the game, but they still can't do that here, because we can still vote in twilight. It's literally a completely useless role.


But they can also NOT vote to end the day. If 2 scum are on the Day Rep team and a scum partner is the leading wagon they can let the day go all the way to the deadline in the hopes that the wagon falls apart. I am not trying to imply that is the best strategy for scum but it is an option they can use and also create a load of WIFOM.

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Post Post #8056  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:20 am

I know 99% of the player list is bored of me talking about my Day Rep hypotheses and I apologize for that I just want the info out there.

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Post Post #8057  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:11 am

I agree. If they want the scum team can choose to out themselves using the day rep mechanic. They could also claim, so we should probably just wait for them to claim and not scumhunt til then.


And arguing that the scumteam is going to use the day rep mechanic for WIFOM is itself introducing WIFOM about the mechanic.
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Post Post #8058  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:25 am

In post 8057, Jingle wrote:I agree. If they want the scum team can choose to out themselves using the day rep mechanic. They could also claim, so we should probably just wait for them to claim and not scumhunt til then.


And arguing that the scumteam is going to use the day rep mechanic for WIFOM is itself introducing WIFOM about the mechanic.


I think the day rep stuff will only be helpful in retrospect, just a piece of the puzzle.

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Why would you be a bad lynch candidate today?

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Post Post #8059  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:45 am

Still wondering who we're lynching between Nev or Fishy. My vote is still on Nev.

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Post Post #8060  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:53 am

In post 8059, Elsa Jay wrote:Still wondering who we're lynching between Nev or Fishy. My vote is still on Nev.


Why do you want to lynch me? Am I really your 2nd scum read behind N&m?

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Post Post #8061  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:07 am

Are Nev and Fish our only scum candidates?
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Post Post #8062  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:11 am

In post 8061, Creature wrote:Are Nev and Fish our only scum candidates?


If I have correctly understood the flow of the game today, the people who most players want to lynch today are myself, N&M, EJ and Jingle.

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Post Post #8063  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:12 am

I am happy with a lynch on any of those to be honest.

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Post Post #8064  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:12 am

EBWOP

excluding myself of course

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Post Post #8065  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:14 am

Why are we ignoring RCEnigma again?
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Post Post #8066  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:17 am

In post 8065, Creature wrote:Why are we ignoring RCEnigma again?


Do you have a case on him?

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Post Post #8067  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:24 am

Do you have a towncase on him?
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Post Post #8068  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:25 am

In post 8067, Creature wrote:Do you have a towncase on him?


I asked you first.

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Post Post #8069  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:26 am

In post 8062, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8061, Creature wrote:Are Nev and Fish our only scum candidates?


If I have correctly understood the flow of the game today, the people who most players want to lynch today are myself, N&M, EJ and Jingle.


That's an interesting answer to another question. Could we get an answer to the question that was asked?

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Post Post #8070  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:28 am

In post 8068, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8067, Creature wrote:Do you have a towncase on him?


I asked you first.

PoE

Your turn
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Post Post #8071  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:37 am

In post 8069, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8062, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8061, Creature wrote:Are Nev and Fish our only scum candidates?


If I have correctly understood the flow of the game today, the people who most players want to lynch today are myself, N&M, EJ and Jingle.


That's an interesting answer to another question. Could we get an answer to the question that was asked?


What question?

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Post Post #8072  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:39 am

In post 8070, Creature wrote:
In post 8068, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8067, Creature wrote:Do you have a towncase on him?


I asked you first.

PoE

Your turn


POE? That's your case?

I was town reading RCE mainly because I thought we were buddies and there were others that had my focus. Now that RCE seems to have flipped on me I'll need to sort him out. Right now he is a null for me.

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Post Post #8073  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:52 pm

Nancy won't defend my honor but Dva will.

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Post Post #8074  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:01 pm

In post 8049, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8041, Jingle wrote:
First, that quote tells us only that scum can (but doesn't have to) choose a player to be a day rep. It doesn't tell us scum can't choose a town player. It does in fact tell us scum can choose not to choose a player to be a day rep.

Where did you get the bolded information?


Here is where I learned of the "bolded information". Directly from Boon's announcement of the Day Rep ability. I bolded the parts that answer how I understood the information.

"Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!"


The only night so far where this would have been remotely advantageous was probably D3 but I think that scum is most likely to leave it for LYLO.
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