Open 748: Jungle Republic - Over!

[Egix96]

FYI voting does not really mean anything in pre-game but I'll still track it for lols

Oh... okey dokey then

VOTE: Egix

[Egix96]

Nahhhh that's a stupid idea.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

With a name like that, he most certainly must be scum!

[Egix96]

this is gonna be a fun game

I've been hearing rumours that fun is outlawed in the (un)Democratic Republic of South Zimganda. (Not a real country, I just made it up.) There's no better time to start a revolution! Will you join my noble cause?

[Egix96]

Hot take, 100 is the scummiest post of the game so far. Reads to me more like an indirect defence of Bambi than an actual scum case.

[Egix96]

And what's wrong with mainly defending me?

A townie defending a townie from scum is a well known tactic of the game of Mafia

.

That's news to me.

It's just that where Guilty says things like 'calling it a "logic leap" to paint Bambi negatively' and 'I find all their [Bambi's] reasoning pretty straightforward.' I feel like he's trying to either defend a scumbuddy or to get on your good side. I'm not really seeing the town motivation for that.

[Egix96]

You gotta think of this game differently, Egi, because otherwise you fall apart.

Ooh, sounds cryptic. Surely it can't be all that different from a regular game, right? I'm not gonna play differently from how I normally do just because it's multiball. I'm just thinking of the Werewolves as being the "true" Mafia team (since they have the KP) while the "Mafia" are really just a trio of Evil Masons as far as I'm concerned.

If anyone other then me or Applejack gets lynched I'll be disappointed.

Why should we restrict the choice of D1 lynch to just two slots so early in the game? That kind of thought is too narrow-minded IMO.

[Egix96]

hot take, ashjslfdjghnsporigöasirgunb and bambi are both scum

I doubt that you seriously, unironically think that.

[Egix96]

No, a Promise means a lot to me and I promise you and me aren't scum partners, but I'm not using it to say I'm not scum here otherwise I literally can do that anytime and it's bullshit and unfair to the spirit of the game.

I don't get it. Deception and intrigue are core themes of the Game of Mafia, so how is it BS to say stuff like "I promise that I'm not scum"? It's not as if the phrase "I promise" holds any actual weight in the game anyway. Even if you have personal raisins for not doing it, it's not as if you're gonna get *ahem* od-may illed-kay for angle-way ooting-shay.

[Egix96]

you never know what bambi and asidjehwhgehrbrnekeowhqvgwhrjroroekb3b3g2gtwtqgs could pull off

Okay, but to me it seemed more like a tinfoil hat theory than an actual, honest opinion.

[Egix96]

It's just that where Guilty says things like 'calling it a "logic leap" to paint Bambi negatively' and 'I find all their [Bambi's] reasoning pretty straightforward.' I feel like he's trying to either defend a scumbuddy or to get on your good side. I'm not really seeing the town motivation for that.

I was/am pushing back on the hydra's Bambi scumread to figure out whether it's a genuine scumread or a reactionary OMGUS, because I'm townreading Bambi. Why don't you see that as town motivated?

And am I wrong about the fact that the hydra was explicitly trying to make Bambi look bad? Like do you actually disagree with the points that I made?

I think BuJaber is town, Bambi is town. Not sure what to make of the hydra slot, a couple of their posts did feel vaguely townie and I like that they were townreading BuJaber as well. At the same time the fact that their two scumreads are the two people who applied pressure to them is pretty lazy

- It simply hadn't occurred to me that that might have been what you were aiming to achieve. Is THAT something I could see as town-motivated? Of course. But did I realise that you might be doing it? Obviously not.

- I can see that ajfe were criticising Bambi's thought process, but it doesn't read to me like their primary purpose was just to shade her, but rather to try and make her reconsider her stance on them.

[Egix96]

-snip-

how do you feel about Clemency? I'm not at all impressed with his ISO so far and I agree the "they're both scum" post was empty posting.

He's null for me. S***posting is NAI for Clem as far as I know.

[Egix96]

this game should not be this slow on D1 with this many people

Yeah. Doesn't help that a quarter of the playerlist haven't even posted.

[Egix96]

scum don't have incentive to solve

Not necessarily. The Mafia/Werewolves still need to figure out who the Werewolves/Mafia are in order to win.

[Egix96]

Hello!

Will catchup in a while.

Oh hello you.

You seem very happy there. That's... totally not concerning at all.

[Egix96]

OMG hi everyone! \o/
This is my first game in over 5 years!

I can confirm that I'm town and if I can make your experience enjoyable this game, please let me know how!

I'm so excited to make so many new friends!

Okay so I thought very hard about who I wanted to RVS and for what reason. After spending 20mins on each person I have decided the following.
VOTE: GuiltyLion
I feel that having guilty in the name means most likely Scum.

I hope that no one thinks I am scummy for such am awkward post!

This whole post just screams forced to me... doesn't help that you basically copied my reason for RVS-voting GL.

VOTE: Vedith

[Egix96]

No I thought about it and no. Bambi is probably town here.
I think scum are a little more self-conscious.

I wouldn't townread Jay for this reason - do you have no prior experience with the slot? He's a pretty good scum player, and nothing in his play so far is out of his scumrange.

Yeah. The whole "continuing to fight what seems like a losing battle" thing is particularly invalid IMO, based on my past expereience w/ scum Bambi (Lovers & Losers)

pedit: It's far too soon for that, surely.

[Egix96]

I find it odd that you don't seem to know the accepted site meta for roleclaiming...

Friendship? What's that?

[Egix96]

why not look at some of Vedith's past completed games (he's got pages of them) to see whether he's really a newbie

Me? Ego-searching someone? Never.

[Egix96]

You seem very happy there. That's... totally not concerning at all.

I agree I was excited. However, for your shade to be valid, I'd have to love scum and also dislike playing town to the extent that I'd be excited to roll scum and not town. What makes you believe this is true? A simple check would show you I'm usually "excited" at game-starts as either alignment, and in this case I *asked* to replace in to the slot.

You call

that

shade? I can do much worse, trust me

I just assumed that you enjoyed being scum more than being town, based on our history... not that I would put all that much stock into that anyway.

[Egix96]

Auro is town.

Auro town

I townread aura.

Considering that I have mad respect for Auro's scumgame, I'm really not sure how to feel about this

Clem is still languishing in the null zone for me, but I'm willing to vote him if needed for a lynch.

[Egix96]

only one kill... suspicious.

oh wait nvm didn't look close enough at the setup

Bambi is claimed Mafia; we're lynching him at some point anyway

wait when did this happen

I refuse to believe that these are derpclears. They just seem forced IMO.

[Egix96]

This shitty game isn't even fun because you all skipped the RVS stage. Legitimately, expect me to meet your anti-fun attitudes with this much venom until I die because fuck you all for making this game miserable

Dude, just... calm down, please. You're only going to make things worse by doing that.

[Egix96]

THIS GAME IS NOT FUN. Almost50 was exactly right when he replaced in.

Just lynch me, because I sure as hell don't give a shit about this game, and I'm not going to replace out for some schmuck to be subjected to this.

This is >rand scum IMO

VOTE: herald

[Egix96]

I thought we were no-lynching today? What did Mcqueen do?

[Egix96]

Activity levels: Look at how much he's posted here, then go to his profile posts page and note the differences in activity levels WRT other games. He's actively avoiding this thread - scummy for a few reasons.

FWIW I really wish you wouldn't do this. That's out-of-game information, hence angleshooting.

[Egix96]

^ I guess we'll just agree to disagree then.

pedit: this is @herald

[Egix96]

Ajfe's first two posts this phase are terrible IMO

Also I'm feeling super paranoid about both Auro and A50

I'm a bit busy rn so I'll be back later

[Egix96]

Also I don't get why people think BH is town now

AFAIR all he's done this game is complain about the game not being fun, and tunnel me

[Egix96]

I've had a look through Vedith's Iso to see what his reads were like.

Near the end of D2 he was starting to suspect Auro so him dying is suggestive of Auro being a wolf
He liked brassherald's towncore post, but I wouldn't say that means BH doesn't kill Vedith since Ved was suspecting me late D1, which would fit wolf!herald's agenda.

[Egix96]

@Egix: Way to throw shade at four slots in two posts. In what world am I a wolf with my D2 play, waging an all out war against a likely townslot over a move that arguably benefits wolf!me?

I'm sure that me expressing my suspicions of multiple players is justified when 5/8 of the other players left in this game are scum.

I need to reread the whole game anyway so yeah, I'll make sure to keep your argument in mind.

[Egix96]

Is the hydra's membership public at all?

If not, hydra, have I played with any of your heads in the past. You don't need to claim whether I have or not, but I am trying to sort something out in my head before I talk about it out loud so that it makes a little bit of sense.

Allo + Invis + vonflare + annadog. It's in the OP

I also want to hear more thoughts on my proposal to try to leash a werewolf. Preferably from the entire player list.

I don't really have a good idea of who the WWs are atm but we could give it a shot yes.

If you're a wolf though, feel free to tell me whenever

[Egix96]

@A50: Why do/did you think that BuJ might be a werewolf?

I think I have an idea but I want to be sure I understand.

[Egix96]

Also I don't get why people think BH is town now

AFAIR all he's done this game is complain about the game not being fun, and tunnel me

Si, who do you think

is

town?

Not sure. I'm not getting town feels from anyone atm, I just feel like everyone except me is scum

@A50: Why do/did you think that BuJ might be a werewolf?

I think I have an idea but I want to be sure I understand.

I explained that. Suffice it to say I'm still alive points to it.

Ah I see. I thought it was becase BuJ was advocating a maf lynch D2.

[Egix96]

I think that the Lion NK points to ajfe being wolf rather than Bambi

If Vedith was a bad kill then the other WW might be someone who's relatively inexperienced, so maybe roster?

Or if you want to go the tinfoil route it's herald making a fancy play

Just my two pence

[Egix96]

In fact, I'm going to make this statement to whomever the Seer is, I would encourage you to out yourself even if you have two innos.

I really think that, at this time, we at least lynch outside of the Seer innos if that's the case. If we can hit WW today, the other WW basically has to act as a Town Vig or have no chance at all of winning, killing the Seer would just seal WW's fate after that because the mafia will control the lynch and just try to lynch the other WW. I want a WW acting as town Vig and helping us out.

I'm not going to blow smoke up the WW's asses and say I'm going to let them win, but the priority will become finding mafia if they will work with town, and maybe the WW can dodge the Seer and avoid wolfreads enough to eke out a win.

Why would WW me ever make this post?

I haven't played with you before, so I don't know what you're capable of as scum.
But yes, I hadn't thought of that post. I'll keep it in mind.

Oh so Jaber is Applejack's partner. Wonderful.

Jaber, you know me enough that if I thought it was a good idea, I'd claim mafia as town to move shit along.

Focusing on the "he claimed mafia" bit (Bambi still a Lady, boyo), is just lazy and scummy.

Agreed.

[Egix96]

hi we’re seer

brass and bmabi aren’t wolf

also everyone else must comment on my claim
do not just silently change your vote

No CC from me.

[Egix96]

@Jay: Why would no Lynch be beneficial for scum here when lynching 1. Gets rid of a townie and 2. Increases chance of a seer NK?

Again, you were earlier advocating for a no-lynch.

And welcome to this segment of the thread where a theory enthusiast (if that’s even a thing) will present some controversial stuff:

Has anyone considered Auro could be ww? I mean, from what I get, ww obviously know who they are. Now, if I was pushed by Bambi, then obviously this wouldn’t be a bus, like Auro mentioned. Therefore, I must be town (if we’re getting into my scenario for a bit). On that no-lynch day, Auro was advocating for a lynch and taking risks, even though he was presented with statistics, he still thought lynching would be a good idea. A werewolf mentality would be to lynch at that point, as Auro stated, which is exactly what he did, and then 47 posts later he hammers the no-lynch to look town. The no-lynch wagon was gaining momentum, it was obviously a town move and Auro must’ve been really cautious with this. Now, in order for me to be more convincing, I’d have to look at the vote count and deduce whether it would’ve been beneficial for ww to vote a town or a mafia off, but I just think Auro tried really hard to look like town and was afraid he would get spotted as a werewolf, hence why he hammered the no-lynch. No clue on second werewolf, I’ll let you guys talk about this until I finish reading.

I was thinking Auro could be a WW at one point, but since then I've decided that if he's scum he's more likely Maf than WW based on his D2 play.

[Egix96]

Hm, time to do some provisional reevaluation. I'm just gonna assume that ajfe's claim is true for the time being.

Me
Egix

Seer
Ajfe

Not Werewolves (peeked)
Herald - I'm still not convinced he's town, so mafia lean
Bambi - I don't really buy the whole "I claimed maf as town" thing so yeah, she maf

Auro - Prob mafia
BuJ - Had good earlygame posts but him wanting to lynch maf D2 makes him look wolfy
A50 - Not mafia if Auro is
Roster - Reads towny to me
SR - Still need to sort him

[Egix96]

You guys have to vote between me and auro, we’re the ww slots that are the safest to lynch at the moment. It’s clear that the discrepancy is between us. You have to take that 50/50. You can’t rely on seer because she’ll die tonight most likely. The second werewolf is doing a really great job at staying under the radar though, I give them props. I’m interested to see what you come up with as a second werewolf accusation. Your only shot is this one, the other werewolf is playing really good, I couldn’t figure out a thing, but this no-lynch case I have against auro is definitely way better than whatever case he has against me, which he didn’t mention, just PoE that he didn’t have access to day one when he was pushing, otherwise that would be cheating or getting extremely lucky

Auro is very unlikely to be a WW IMO.
You trying to paint him as one is disingenuous.

VOTE: scum reading

Other wolf is either A50 or BuJ

pedit: ^this guy knows what's up

[Egix96]

?? Why is the thread still open??
Also this dialogue between scum reading and Auro looks forced. I wouldn't e surprised if it turns out they were both of the same faction.

Because Gamma is busy I would guess.

[Egix96]

SR is actually right here, very wonky reasoning on Brass' part
It's absurd to think I'd bus my WW partner on D2 when no lynch was a clearly better alternative and push the gamestate to 5-3-1 which is prob loss even if I reap towncred from it.

Brass' push on Egix because Egix isn't townreading him yet is also not impressive here.

It's not because I'm not townreading him - it's because I didn't say my reasoning.

[Egix96]

Gamma Emerald has been prodded

Hey, no impersonating the mod!

Oh sorry, excuse me while I slink back to my lurking-hole.

[Egix96]

Nope

[Egix96]

Aaahh.. well played roster.. but I knew it.. I knew no lynch had to be led by mafia.

There's another mafia among the no lynchers though. I'm town, the hydra is town, and brass I believe is town. There's not enough townies in the game for roster to be the only mafia vote on the no lynch. Plus at least 1 wolf

First line of this post bugs me greatly. To me it just reads as "a-ha, you were very towny but you had to die. Sorry for killing you."

Also, "Plus at least 1 wolf"... was there meant to be more after that, or did you just leave out the full stop?

Bambi you claim you're town right? If you are who would believe you in this playerlist? That's who the wolves are

^ I see this... and then you say...

-snip-

You being so adamant in your brass read makes sense from a confident stand point, all I wanted to check. Mafia would have left themselves room to wiggle there, because mafia are the underdogs here because

bambi is outed

and the last mafia can easily be shot.

If you're so sure that Bambi is outed mafia, why did you ask her that question? You don't seem to be genuinely convinced that she is maf.

[Egix96]

BTW I'm curious as to who Herald has as the third townie.

[Egix96]

It's not a guilty on BuJ but I'll take it.

[Egix96]

get someone else to do it and take credit because it seems like too much work.

SUBTLE MANIPULATION!

Yes, I get the idea.

VOTE: BuJ

[Egix96]

nvm 3-2-2 M-W-T i think

3-2-2 T-M-W you mean, I think you're forgetting that roster was mafia.

VOTE: BuJaber

I will now demonstrate said hammer technique for you. Observe.

VOTE: Bujaber

Now we wait 3 more days before Gamma acknowledges the game exists again to lock the thread.

It was either you or Almost, Jaber, and my care for this game is relatively low tbh.

Auro/Bambi mafia team confirmed? Auro had BuJ as a Maf read, not a WW read, and Bambi hammering cuts short our time for discussion (long twilight notwithstanding).

That's not a contradiction you idiot. Bambi is gonna represent that he is town. I'm asking him a meta question about who in this playerlist is likely to believe him. His answer to that is helpful even if he lies.

Town loses

No need to insult my intelligence. And now I know you're gonna flip werewolf, contradiction or not.

[Egix96]

Werewolf, you are a fucking idiot.

It's the only kill A50 could've made in order to still have a chance to win. So it's not idiotic at all. He wasn't going to screw himself over just to throw town a bone.

[Egix96]

I'm going to give a quick WW guide to winning this now so that maybe they can read it and get it through their thick skull how to actually not just hand mafia a win.
1. We need to lunch mafia today.
2. You need to kill mafia tonight
3. You need to pray that I don't decide to lynch you tomorrow.

I'm 100% confident that A50 already knows all that. He's playing for the small chance to win rather than letting the seer get one more peek, which would confirm him as WW.

And yes, I understand that he has to rely on me being town for it to work.

[Egix96]

I don't think a three way draw is possible.

I've checked the history box on the JR wiki page and it has one past game that ended in a draw. In Open 521, the last mafia, the last werewolf, and the last two townies all agreed to a draw. So there is a precedent even if the numbers were different.

[Egix96]

Hm okay. I'd like to hear what the others have to say about it. (This includes you A50)

[Egix96]

VOTE: Draw

[Egix96]

Hi. So apparently this is being revived... that's cool I guess.

I'm gonna cancel my vote to draw for now:

UNVOTE:

in case any of you guys (A50/his replacement included) want us to play on.

[Egix96]

VOTE: Bambi Jay

[Egix96]

VOTE: Bambi Jay

???

[Egix96]

It's a meme
viewtopic.php?p=10703361#p10703361

I'm confsed.

Was Bambi Mafia or not?

Zito?

I think he's not awake yet. Give it a few hours.

[Egix96]

Ah I see, should've read the link b4 responding

[Egix96]

Mafia wins.

Solve was Brass/Bambi town
Egix/Auro maf
TW Wolf

Only way TW could win was if Egix was town, but since nobody thought Egix was town best play for you three was to vote for a draw/no lynch into happily ever after. No way that town could win, since wolf would have to game throw by killing Egix or allowing his lynch - either way loses for wolf.

Shitty game, but gg.

Oh hi roster. How are things?

[Egix96]

Yeah. TW voting me right there was a terrible move for him, he should have checked who was seer-cleared first.

[Egix96]

Egix, great timing on that BuJaber vote!

Hehe thanks

[Egix96]

If A50 didn't kill Seer, I would have Happily Ever Aftered with him.

I don't think that's how HEAs work but okay.

[Egix96]

Unfortunately I don't have any PT links

Ah that's a shame. I was really looking forward to reading the Graveyard and Werewolf PTs.

Happy scumday btw!