Open 746: Bus Service [Game Over]

[BuJaber]

To hell with complexity..

VOTE: Clemency

Because that claim feels wrong. Simple as that.

[BuJaber]

To hell with complexity..

VOTE: Clemency

Because that claim feels wrong. Simple as that.

Actually I don't know, flubber's might be worse.

[BuJaber]

To hell with complexity..

VOTE: Clemency

Because that claim feels wrong. Simple as that.

Actually I don't know, flubber's might be worse.

am i overcomplicating it? i thought flubber’s was a joke, but any backup bus driver is effectively a vt until/if they become the bus driver

Correct. I was the one overcomplicating it in my head. It didn't need complication. The claim is stupid if town, it's way more likely to be from scum.

it's an obvious joke as well

No doubt. But I'm saying scum in this case it is a joke from scum.

I'd be surprised if they were partners and both decided to make such a joke. But I don't know which if them would be the scum and which the annoying townie.

[BuJaber]

You called him scum earlier

[BuJaber]

Literally until I find something solid to grab onto.

I may already have.

[BuJaber]

No if it is conceivable that town would do something and scum do it, it's not stupid by scum.

I'm not saying never joke, but joke claims are distracting at best and nefarious at worst. Unfortunately they'll never go away, because town continue to do so. It's stupid because it doesn't move the game forward but it makes other townies forced to think about it and analyze it. It also continues to give scum this out. "Let's make dumb claim jokes because town do it"

So congratulations to whichever one of you is scum. You just assimilated yourself to the majority.

[BuJaber]

Lovebird please be town. I'm tired of being the only townie that scumreads you. (So far you're not scummy ftr)

[BuJaber]

Obviously I know you're not a bus. I play more opens than closed I know how they work.

It's that someone like me is gonna stop at that post and think "why is he claiming this".

And yes other people can choose to play differently and ignore something like that. I don't enjoy making games harder than they should be.

Joke as town. Joke as scum. It's a game, it should be fun. But to joke and then expect people not to use that joke as part of the collective ISO of someone when forming reads?? Horrible perspective.

[BuJaber]

VOTE: FallenDown

Please get am avi

Hey guys, did no one look at the reason for my vote? Second vote on obvious lynchbait player, cast for a deniable reason. Scummiest thing in the game so far.

No cookies/townpoints for anyone.

Well to me I thought it was an RVS vote and the comment was separate.
Like she chose to vote for fallen, and also told them to get an avatar. Not that she voted fallen

because

she didn't have an avatar.

[BuJaber]

Lol @rb's wiki.

Seriously though rb you don't sound like your townie self. It's like your commenting on things but not really sharing an opinion on things that matter.

[BuJaber]

I see this game is going to be harder than normal.

Eyes without a face is town.

[BuJaber]

I see this game is going to be harder than normal.

Eyes without a face is town.

why?
why?

Because the way I play doesn't jam well with some people here and it is affecting their behavior.

Because I have liked his response to both me and Akarin. I find that it is rare for scum to combine the two things eyes has done. Wrt me he has commented on and refuted my indirect defense of him, despite the fact that it could have made me suspicious of him (as his explanation proves I misread his post). Wrt akarin he has not only defended himself adequately but turned it around on akarin in a counter-case that is well-written and convincing.

Given the timing and the way he did both of these things at around the same time I believe he is town.

If he were scum I would expect him to want to try and get me on his side before attacking akarin, since akarin is the one who commented on his vote in the first place. I understand there is always the WIFOM argument, but I believe it is counter-intuitive for him to risk me joining akarin's side before he himself launching a counter-attack on akarin.

[BuJaber]

TTTT why are you voting eyes?

[BuJaber]

See told you eyes is town.

And let's ignore the proposed actions they're dumb, no offence.

I've seen scum bird. In fact I think I've only seen her play scum. She doesn't feel like scum here. That's all I have on her for now.

[BuJaber]

Nobody is voting me.

[BuJaber]

This is a weird day 1

[BuJaber]

Scum team is clemency + rb + one of {junko, gamma}

[BuJaber]

Sorry..

Who were the two people fighting this game.. elliot/fallen?

One of them is the 3rd scum.

[BuJaber]

Scum cannot guarantee they will kill qho they want to kill so you try hard to discredit me? Am I really this close to nailing the scum team already?

[BuJaber]

Scum team is clemency + rb + one of {junko, gamma}

I'm townleaning rb
junko?
gamma?
what game are you reading?

I mixed up the names, I can't answer that question, please don't repeat it.

I meant elliot and fallen.

Akarin eyes is not scum. Reread your dialogue with him. Your fight reads like TvT.

I mean I started by townreading eyes and I posted my reasons for that, but when I looked at your continued tunneling it didn't feel fake to me. I think you genenuinely believe eyes is scum but you're wrong imo.

Rb is scum. Like it's the obvious explanation. If he plays townie like this good luck to him and his teammates but don't let him slip through.

He is sheeping and pocketing lovebird since way before they did anything that is town-indicative.

He is protecting clemency by disparaging my case and attacking me. Even if he doesn't see what I see in the RVS posts, clemency's reactions and later posts don't make him look any better. Rb isn't interested in looking at those and showing us why clemency is town because he's not solving the game.

His tone is sarcastic and dismissive to EVERYONE not just his scumread (me), so it's not like he's showing any interest in working with people. It's all about getting what he wants. And even in the pursuit of what he wants he is lazy about it. Just throwing out naked opinions and baseless reads and not showing any effort in actually pushing his agenda.

So yeah I'm pretty confident about rb and clemency. It's the 3rd scum that's been harder to identify.

[BuJaber]

Alonzo is a little weird at times but he can town it up from what I saw so I don't know what that entrance is supposed to be.

[BuJaber]

@mod:

I'll be on VLA until sunday as I am travelling.

@lovebird: I could see ROS being scum but let's lynch clem or rb first I'm more confident of that.

[BuJaber]

Mod must have missed my VLA because I got prodded.

From my experience with town Alonzo I am not impressed at all with him so far and I think BoP can apply here.

Rep-ins have had plenty of time to catch up because in 3 days I think the thread grew by like what.. 1 page?

Clearly not everybody is thinking along the same lines and we have to start agreeing so if you don't like the clemency wagon you need to state why and give a suitable replacement with a scum case.

Otherwise someone please tell me what clemency has done this game because I've been accused of tunnelling over something nai but then again MAYBE if he had contributions his team of lawyers may have a leg to stand on.

Lynch scum let's get a move on. Check my record of catching scum in day 1.

And for the person quoting my associationpost as scum that post was a direct response to a question asked by a townie I tried (and failed) to pocket. The only reason I would make associative reads as scum would be to imitate my town game, so it's up to you to determine if it's genuine associative reading or fake.

[BuJaber]

Every time I check this PT I feel like I've gone back in time and it can't be that long since I last checked. Anyone has anything to say to me?

P-edit: Wow. Someone did post something meaningful. I'll be back in a couple of hours to see if someone (preferably named Alonzo, but not necessarily just him) had responded in any meaningful way.

If I didn't townread your previous posts I'd scumread this post so hard, but even so...


PT? .. is that a scumslip?

And it's pretty hypocritical of you to offhandedly comment on the lack of meaninful posts when you make a post like this.

And why wait for people to talk to you? If you don't have anything to say why are you holding others to a higher standard?

[BuJaber]

And I'm saying I don't remember doing it unprompted as scum before.

I don't know why it matters but I felt like correcting you.

[BuJaber]

But lovebird is right here about me so you are wrong.

And that post is not an associative read. That was lumping two people together to try and discredit them. They were not scummy because majiffy sounded like scum partners with varsoon. They were both scummy because both made wildly inaccurate posts. I was simply hypothetisizing a potential motivation for majiffy's posts, but if say RCE was not scum (which he wasn't), it wouldn't magically make majiffy's posts less scummy.

[BuJaber]

The beautiful part about that game is that being multiball I didn't have a clue what alignment they were anyway.

[BuJaber]

The answer should be obvious from your pov then. Vote clemency.

I don't know why but you have influence over these people even if it's subconsciously. I'm sure if the great and powrful rb were to bus his teammate, everyone else will soon follow and vote clemency.

[BuJaber]

I think reaper is just usually really busy in real life. In the game I modded his play/substance posting picked up a little later on in the game.

I say we wait until he becomes sortable.

[BuJaber]

Counter-argument what has clemency done in his ISO that makes him not worth a lynch as much as reaper?

This is his only analysis post, where he says Elliot's argument feels reachy/forced only to end up saying the two players are TvT!!!

Like his default explanation for why elliot is posting this way is that he is tunnelled town, instead of scum who has chosen a mislynch target and is faking a case on them.

It's like he knows elliot is town.

I don't like the way you're conducting business here, lovebird. You're asking lots of questions that make me wonder why you asked them. Asking questions alone does not make you towny. Analysis does. What is your vote on us for, exactly? What are your actual opinions beyond just the "This is towny, this is not?" Any scum can ask questions to look town, and I think that's exactly what you're doing here.

so this kinda makes me curious considering at the time of the post lovebird asked maybe two full direct questions
this post feels reachy/forced to me

The claim is stupid if town, it's way more likely to be from scum.

How is it stupid?

This is the question that pinged us.

If you’re town here, you should be asking why it is scummy, not why it is stupid.

1. It assumes the person is town, which is concerning
2. A Townie would be more interested in why it’s more likely to come from scum and
3. Because of this, it looks more like a filler question than genuine scumhunting, and combined with the naked vote on us along with the lack of reasoning of any reads, looks like someone trying to seem like they are busy without actually digging in to any stances.

i feel like you're deriving far too many conclusions from a fairly insignificant post
this is a view i can only see from someone who's already painted someone as scum in their mind and is looking through that lens
i hate to be that guy but i really think this is tvt

[BuJaber]

This has mislynch written all over it.

Day old road-kill was left on the road and all the coyotes are coming out for a bite.

[BuJaber]

what has clemency done in his ISO that makes him not worth a lynch as much as reaper?

[BuJaber]

someone please tell me what clemency has done this game because I've been accused of tunnelling over something nai but then again MAYBE if he had contributions his team of lawyers may have a leg to stand on.

[BuJaber]

Every time I check this PT I feel like I've gone back in time and it can't be that long since I last checked. Anyone has anything to say to me?

P-edit: Wow. Someone did post something meaningful. I'll be back in a couple of hours to see if someone (preferably named Alonzo, but not necessarily just him) had responded in any meaningful way.

If I didn't townread your previous posts I'd scumread this post so hard, but even so...


PT? .. is that a scumslip?

And it's pretty hypocritical of you to offhandedly comment on the lack of meaninful posts when you make a post like this.

And why wait for people to talk to you? If you don't have anything to say why are you holding others to a higher standard?

@eyes - please respond

[BuJaber]

"Let's quicklynch the guy not here in a game with a critical PR role"

Solid strategy.

VOTE: Clemency

You can hate me, you can insult me, you can avoid me in future games, I'll take it. But for the love of this game please listen to me.

[BuJaber]

Why ask to play a game if you are going to flake it?

VOTE: Clemency

Maybe a plane hit his house.

That's not the point. RoS is partly to blame. But also a PR can't exactly obvtown.

But even the mislynch is not the problem.

The issue here is there at a minimum 4 townies that thought that killing someone who won't even be here to at least claim before he gets lynched was a good idea.

[BuJaber]

We can win without the cop. It's harder but it's not like we absolutely needed him.

What concerns me is how easily this town was manipulated to play like absolute crap.

[BuJaber]

At least 1 of Alonzo and Lovebird is scum

Why those two specifically?

[BuJaber]

There's one scum definitely between the last 4 votes on the wagon. Masuqerading as town freaking out over no lynch possibility.

Rb I think is scummy anyway regardless.

Clemency I think was the true counterwagon to a town lynch.

Purely as a counterwagon flubber could be either town or scum. But I think odds are it's town, if we assume scum wanted to capitalize on the impending deadline. To them it didn't matter which townie gets lynched that late in the day, they just wanted to make sure they had control over it. If I wanted to maximize the chances that I protect all my buddies I would want to create two competing town wagons so that either of them getting lynched is good for me.

Flubber is not cleared by any means but I prefer to start elsewhere.

[BuJaber]

"Let's quicklynch the guy not here in a game with a critical PR role"

Solid strategy.

VOTE: Clemency

You can hate me, you can insult me, you can avoid me in future games, I'll take it. But for the love of this game please listen to me.

Super scummy day entrance. And let's remember who was on a vanity wagon making the cop lynch all but inevitable here and yet now wants to toss around blame and false outrage about lynching the cop.
VOTE: BuJaber

See you at the end of the tunnel in the dead thread.

Or kill me at night scum.

If I get lynched this game then all hope is lost for townies in open games on MS.

[BuJaber]

Vanity wagon my ass that's just a fancy word people like to throw around.

RoS was lynched from 0 votes to 7 in what? 30 hours maybe.

1 vote is power.

I could see the signs. I die trying to do what I think is right.

Independents run for office not because they think they can win, but because they want to do what they think is right.

[BuJaber]

And so another wagon could have went from 1-7

[BuJaber]

yeah
which is why i find it weird to look towards the end of the wagon rather than the start

Well there's 3 scum.
I'm town not on the wagon. TT flipped town. Reaper was on flubber.

That leaves 3 scum in the remaining 10. 6 of those 10 of those 10 + TT were on the RoS wagon.

I'd say there's a good chance there were 2 on RoS wagon and 1 on flubber wagon (if flubber is indeed town like I suspect).

Why do I think it's more likely to find scum on the tail end (if not both ends of the wagon), is because it's easier to camouflage as town, because there literally were town votes hurrying to join the wagon before deadline.

[BuJaber]

why would scum rush to not have a nolynch

by the logic that they're trying to camoflauge why would they not just split votes among different wagons and flake about (like half the game did)

all i can see is that your read hasn't actually changed since rvs, and anyone who disagrees with you is also likely scum. that's...ridiculous, and it's hard to take your reads seriously when you put me as scum and call that the team when i'm town, and you're scumreading one of my townreads as well

i've got a killer headache so i'm gonna lie down

Why would scum want to flake out and no lynch when the leading wagon is on town. They can get it hammered without looking any different from the townies that are avoiding the no lynch.

As for you I think we've played once before and I don't really remember your game. You are well-known and have been around for a little bit and should be czpable of giving reasons and talking us through your reads instead of blanket "x is town", "y is scum", "oh no my townreads are voting a townread".

What's worse is you townread clemency who's ISO is less useful than a bottle of water. Unlike RoS who was not playing at all, clemency was here and posting but posting 0 content.

You also aren't reading the game properly. I am not scumreading everyone that disagrees with me. Lovebird disagreed with me day 1. Akarin has been tunnelling me and I've been townreading her based on the exchange with eyes.

Even the bus joke. You csn ignore it and I still have a solid case on clemency, but I think the joke is a valid reason to scumread him. I know that joke claims are NAI in a vacuum (note that it's because town also do it not because it isn't a scummy action), but this game is open, and two people have made the same joke and I believe two people of the same alignment just don't make the same joke. Townies joke for fun and it's boring to repeat jokes. Scum joke to appear relaxed and like they don't know how to begin. Clem copied flubber. If you have a previous game where this has happened and two townies have made the same joke in rvs then I won't mention this again, I'll just lynch clemency for the lack of content and being a counterwagon to flipped town.

[BuJaber]

Eyes I don't understand why you're saying you're happy to be lynched today. Nobody brought that up.

You seem to be trying hard to not be townread. Help us sort the game nobody wants to lynch a townie which is what I believe you are

[BuJaber]

Okay it's possible I switched akarin and rb's alignments

For now dropping rb to secondary choice.

I have no idea how anyone could townread clemency but rb seems to townread him for some reason so he defended him.

Akarin on the other hand doesn't directly defend clemency and show he's town, instead he attacks my logic. It's a two-pronged attack, protect clemency and try to reduce my influence.

Alonzo is possibly their 3rd partner for not really being as engaged as I would expect town!alonzo to be and also fot trying to shade lovebird, who apart from a few votes on him early on, is somewhat widely townread.

My updated scum team prediction is {clem, akarin, alonzo}

[BuJaber]

Firebringer what made you focus solely on flubber?

Seems like a disproportional amount of effort on one player over the rest.

[BuJaber]

Okay this town is too divided.

This is unorthodox I know but fuck it if we go on like this we lose anyway.

Either I'm right or I'm wrong.

I obviously want to bet on myself. But for the sake of cooperation I'll be willing to vote for flubber if everyone explicitly states in thread that if flubber flips town they will lynch clemency day 3.

If you guys are willing to make the same compromise we can do it the other way around. We lynch clemency now and if I am wrong we lynch flubber tomorrow.

I will start. I promise that if clemency is lynched now and flips green I will lynch flubber day 3 if I'm alive.

Okay so now.. I don't think any single person in this game has stated that they townread both clemency and flubber and at the same time scumread me. SO none of you should have a problem with this plan, because it should theoritically through the sum of all our reads and the wisdom of crowd net us one scum, if not today then tomorrow.

It is not ideal but I for one am not gonna stand here and give up just because I suck at convincing people that I see the truth.

The plan requires that literally every single living player explicitly state they will abide by it so that anyone who doesn't is auto lynched.

[BuJaber]

I will start. I promise that if clemency is lynched now and flips green I will lynch flubber day 3 if I'm alive.

Do you have a reason for Clemency before Flubber? Not criticizing, I wanna have your point of view.

Of course. I townread flubber and scumread clemency that's why.

Read the last 4 or so posts in my ISO..

[BuJaber]

@sasha - I townread flubber as a result of my wagon analysis. I'm agreeing as a compromise so I can get clemency lynched.

@akarin - it's not about just getting the lynches, it's about getting everyone to agree so nobody can back away from it. We don't need everyone but forcing everyone to do so gives town more power.

[BuJaber]

Shit now I want to lynch eyes but we can't afford to do my plan after that if he flips town.

But like if eyes flips town his behavior is reportable/bannable surely. How can that not be playing against your win condition? It's only fine if it's scum trying to wifom us into not lynching them.


Also can the people who haven't agreed to my plan state their agreement and choose which of clem/flubber they prefer first?

[BuJaber]

1 for 1 is a net positive gain.

Right now town is divided and the game state will continue as is if nobody changes it. Day 1 lynch was an omen of more to come. Because town will only grow more suspicious of each other if this directionlessness continues.

So yes, it sucks that I can't just lynch you outright. But 1 townie for 1 scum is good.

And if scum were able to lynch a townie, while putting up TWO townie counterwagons, and 0 scum counterwagons then that is the single best day 1 performance for scum in any game on this site since it started and you can quote me on that.

[BuJaber]

VOTE: clemency

deal is a deal.

Thanks. Though unfortunately it's not gonna be as effective as I wanted because people are going to pull the 'but I didn't promise' card now and we can't lynch everyone who didn't promise.

VOTE: Clemency

[BuJaber]

There was no need to post flubber because some people voted clem after my proposal and, more importantly, not everyone promised. Do you know what it feels like to vote someone you townread? You don't do it without getting something crazy valuable in return.

The scumminess of trying to shade me for not voting for flubber when 1. Not everyone agreed so that proposal was null and void, and 2. YOU were part of the group not agreeing and voiding it, is beyond anything I've ever seen.

But that's real life scumminess. I actually would be surprised if you were arso because going after me now is anti-arsonist. They need that easy mislynch later.

One of Alonzo or lovebird are scum but probably not together because they're both kinda lurky. I don't see lovebird taking a backseat to the discussion if alonzo were her partner.

[BuJaber]

Shit wrong game.
Nevermind no anti-scum behavior here.

VOTE: Akarin

[BuJaber]

@mod - can we get a mass prod?

[BuJaber]

I don't have much experience to me but he seems lost and confused. Then again maybe that's his scum meta. I don't really know. Apart from spending way too long on meta reading one player he hasn't reay pushed in any direction.

Akarin is just using dirty tactics to get me lynched.
She can be lynched later. The case becomes stronger when clem flips scum.

Why did people try so hard to protect clem, and when that was not very effective they tricked town into lynching flubber first. They bought my vote in spirit and destroyed any chance for the clem wagon to get hammered.

Maybe Akarin doesn't understand the concept of negotiation but whrn she sees me try, try, try, try, and try again to lynch clem after failing multiple times she accuses me of setting up lynches.

Let's lynch clem once and for all and then lynch the scum that derailed that wagon.

VOTE: Clemency

I will get what I was promised one way or another.

[BuJaber]

If I get lynched before clemency and akarin tries to lynch clemency you need to lynch her instead. She lost sll credibility of going after that wagon.

Basically there are many obvious reasons for scum defending scum!clemency. But only 1 reason for town!clemency to be defended this strongly. Scum get me lynched and then use my flip to go after clem to win the game.

So if you guys decide to lynch me first just take that into consideration.

[BuJaber]

No you were right before, now you're wrong.

I'm not an expert on FB. There was that one time where he replaced into a game I was already dead in, but for all intents and purposes this is my first time playing with him that I recall.

I'm telling you how I feel. I tried to push clemency and there was pushback. That pushback stayed mild with nobody really offering a convincing alternative. Then there was a horrible scum-influenced scramble to lynch RoS end of day 1. Then I pushed Clemency again, and again there was pushback. Even so much as me getting painted as scum. And then I point out what is scummy about how akarin is playing. But instead of her taking a step back and realizing how wrong she is she continues her push. Which I can only take as a defence of Clem.

Throighout all that Clemency has not contributed even a nugget of content to this game, and yet we still have people like Alonzo just saying "I don't even know .. what's going on.. I'm so confused" (paraphrasing) and you are now voting me despite claiming I was a top townread and that FB is a solid scumread of yours.

So really tell me how I'm the bad guy in this game?
And if you're so damn sure how about you tell me what you don't like about FB coz all I said was I don't scumread FB but there's no solid reason to townread him either.

But you'd also have to explain why we shouldn't lynch clemency gere because that lynch just becomes more and more convincing to me with the way people are posting.

[BuJaber]

This is kind of hilarious; you contributed to the scum-influenced lynch of RoS while I was fighting against it.

Well at least you have the courage to flat-out lie.
You're a veey good scum player.

[BuJaber]

Eyes:

Scum generally don't spend most of a dayphase researching one person's meta. FB did.

Scum generally don't give off vibes of not knowing what to do by changing their votes constantly. FB did.

The way he is asking questions and talking to people comes across as genuine sorting.

None of these things guarantee that he is town. No tell is ever 100% accurate, but I am far from ready to lynch him when there are many other players far scummier in this game. Or even if not outright scummier, they're not posting and contributing to the game, which makes them more pro-scum than FB currently is, even if he were scum

[BuJaber]

Like I just read 740 to try and refresh my memory on clemency but then I realised I'm not gonna tell u anythi g u don't already know about clem... So fill me in..

I don't understand your resistance not to.

No please do tell. You don't see a difference in his play between this game and that?

I pushed him, people defended. I pushed, people defended. I pushed, people attacked me. All the while Clem doesn't seem to be interested in posting good content or progressing the discussion.

[BuJaber]

Is clemency your buddy?

[BuJaber]

If he's first tier townlist I must have been to the wrong 'how to play a townie 101' class.

[BuJaber]

why would scum rush to not have a nolynch

by the logic that they're trying to camoflauge why would they not just split votes among different wagons and flake about (like half the game did)

all i can see is that your read hasn't actually changed since rvs, and anyone who disagrees with you is also likely scum. that's...ridiculous, and it's hard to take your reads seriously when you put me as scum and call that the team when i'm town, and you're scumreading one of my townreads as well

i've got a killer headache so i'm gonna lie down

Why would scum want to flake out and no lynch when the leading wagon is on town. They can get it hammered without looking any different from the townies that are avoiding the no lynch.

As for you I think we've played once before and I don't really remember your game. You are well-known and have been around for a little bit and should be czpable of giving reasons and talking us through your reads instead of blanket "x is town", "y is scum", "oh no my townreads are voting a townread".

What's worse is you townread clemency who's ISO is less useful than a bottle of water. Unlike RoS who was not playing at all, clemency was here and posting but posting 0 content.

You also aren't reading the game properly. I am not scumreading everyone that disagrees with me. Lovebird disagreed with me day 1. Akarin has been tunnelling me and I've been townreading her based on the exchange with eyes.

Even the bus joke. You csn ignore it and I still have a solid case on clemency, but I think the joke is a valid reason to scumread him. I know that joke claims are NAI in a vacuum (note that it's because town also do it not because it isn't a scummy action), but this game is open, and two people have made the same joke and I believe two people of the same alignment just don't make the same joke. Townies joke for fun and it's boring to repeat jokes. Scum joke to appear relaxed and like they don't know how to begin. Clem copied flubber. If you have a previous game where this has happened and two townies have made the same joke in rvs then I won't mention this again, I'll just lynch clemency for the lack of content and being a counterwagon to flipped town.

My ISO is full of posts talking about Clemency.

He posts but doesn't participate in discussion. When I jumped on him people defended. Throughout the game his posting isn't improving but people are still defending him just as strongly. At some point you have to see that not posting content is scum-indicative.

I would seriously not ironically prefer to play with NM than cleme if this is how clem always plays. At least with NM you can get an idea what he's thinking and you can analyze his voting patterns.

There's some weird conviction from a lot of players that he's town and it just makes no sense. Why is he town?
Why is clem not concerned by all the townreads he's getting despite not doing anything townie? Wouldn't you get suspicious in his position?

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So who do you want? Mcqueen? Could be scum.. just kinda being too on the nose about it. I remember I genuinenly thought he was busy irl. Let's see if he improves.

I could go for creature? Seemingly just assigning reads on people arbitrarily.

FB's shading of wilky is uncalled for. I don't know if it's overly defensive because he feels unfairly attacked or because of scum but he did seem townie to me earlier.

Who else do we have.. rb fails my BoP test but according to him that's a bad way to sort him. I know he could just lie but people don't tend to lie about things inherent to their playstyle if you know what I mean. Scum actually tend to be more honest about things like that because it's not game related so they feel safe enough to be truthful.

How do you feel about akarin?

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Let's just start lynching lurkers one by one. If they start to post now but they don't obvtown it'd be too late.

I bet you we have like 2 scum lurkers among the 6 or so lurky players, and 1 scum who is posting a bit more.

You have to explain to me what makes mcqueen different from clemency this game though. I'm just not seeing it. Posting but posting nothing is more scummier to me than posting nothing at all.

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What has this game become?

Scum are winning what do you expect.

They didn't even have to bus anyone yet. Haha pun not intended.

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I'm not and from what I've seen you know how to read me quite well. So I'm pretty suspicious.

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There's 2 and a half dayphases of posts to analyze

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Can we please consolidate on clem like I was promised?

I don't trust creature so far and I was highly suspicious of rb so I don't want to vote for mcqueen at this stage.

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Hehe this town learned nothing from day 1.

And the guy who fancies himself the saviour of MS towns just lynched town for the loss.

RC has in 3 games with me read me correctly once I post enough. He has failed here. Apply the BoP on him, he loves that anyway. He doesn't live tomorrow if it's not game over already. And if he it is gane over I fucking told you all clem was scum. You all focused on my RVS case when I was fleshing out the case with more evidence every day. RC's already trying to justify his reasons for the vote don't let him talk you out of lynching him.

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I really hope you all learn from this.

RC what was that you said in mafia discussion about towns being better on MS now? Lol I'd hate to see the clusterfuck it was in the past then. Shittiest players I ever had the pleasure of playing with. Let's disregard the fact that this is an open setup with 1 real town PR and lynch that PR day 1. Pitiful

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I had fun honestly. It was fun trying to relive the movie 300.

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And I'm starting to think FB is probably scum upon a clemency scum flip. He was the only one who actually promised me and renegged and he townread me several times but still ended up voting me several times. The only person he actually took any effort in sorting was flubbernugget. The day 2 lynch that flipped town.

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You know I talked to and about other people. And you know that people's reactions to a push can tell you just as much about a player's alignment as the player's posts themselves. Clemency was hard defended. They weren't defended as null no. People were completely against the idea of even scumreading him.

If this is truly how people are going to treat 'trolly' accounts then trolly acvounts should be banned surely. The actively damage town's ability to perform well, and thus are always pro-scum, but these accounts will statistically roll town more often than not which means they're playing against their win condition. When role playing affects the game it stops being roleplaying and starts being rule breaking.

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I focused on you because I expect better from town!you and because it sounds like you're trying to avoid any pushback on you when I flip town so I'm warning the rest. Your vote as a vote is just as bad as everyone else not worse.

And the bad town play goes beyond just the clemency and me thing.
If akarin is town he tried to blame me for RoS' lynch. That probably was the worst thing that happened to me this game. It flipped a goddamn switch in me and tilted me to all hell.

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If you think there's no reason to scumread clemency you're wrong but that's okay.
If you think there's any justifiable reason to townread clemency you're dellusional. They have no reason to townread him. It felt like they were doing it to spite me and to protect a buddy.

He wasn't town and you aren't town you're still trying to win the game. Talk afterwards not while your alignment is still technically in the dark.

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I even asked multiple times for people to show me what clemency has done worth townreading and they didn't. I tried really hard. You can look in my ISO to see how many times I tried to engage people on this point but no. All they were interested in was painting me as scum. This was definitely not a derptunnel. I hit paydirt and I wasn't giving up.

Take the loss town. You deserved it. Scum well done you did nothing and won.

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Thanks for hosting Mutant.

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My God though I'm so glad rb wasn't town.