Open 746: Bus Service [Game Over]

[Firebringer]

what up people

[Firebringer]

wow. this thread is pro life. your joke is unappreciated.

[Firebringer]

what up people

don't assume my species bro

i don't care about none people

[Firebringer]

hey rb how u doing?

[Firebringer]

Firebringer can you remind me why you're voting Lovebird?

i would if i voted lovebird at any time since my like 3 posts since joining this game.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: rb

[Firebringer]

Firebringer can you remind me why you're voting Lovebird?

i would if i voted lovebird at any time since my like 3 posts since joining this game.

then do something

did you mean to quote someone else here?

[Firebringer]

oh that response doesn't really make sense to my post.
so what something you want me to do?

[Firebringer]

i joined yesterday.
i find ur reaction to this really odd given the context here dude.

[Firebringer]

i am not currently invested in this game at all. since this is multiball i am going to consider this game pretty low priority. why not we just skip day and allow scum to kill each other and throw the hands up into the fate of the rng gods?

[Firebringer]

ohhh someone said multiball and i missed the context for that. woops.

i guess we have to do stuff to hunt scum.
man that sucks can't we let bus drivers carry us?

[Firebringer]

since this is multiball i am going to consider this game pretty low priority.

This looks town. Lazy town, but still town.

This looks lazy, but not AI. So I am not going to give a read.
Which is pretty reasonable to do when you realize laziness means jack shit

[Firebringer]

I am not moving my vote. Nothing that FB has done changed how I read the slot. In fact, nothing FB has done is accurate on its own.

I agree

[Firebringer]

You'd be scumreading FB for the multiball thing, independent of Eliot?

Clearing him off of that would be almost an insult to FB's Mafia play skills.

Do i know u?

VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'll take that over RoS (and if this flips scum I think I can stop suspecting Akarin too)

VOTE: Flubbernugget

OHHH the person scumreading me is voting flub. I can't wait to get them to move their vote because they suspect me by doing this:
VOTE: Flubb

[Firebringer]

@Mod I am going V/LA for a week

[Firebringer]

I have no opinion on firebringer. he hasn't really done anything.

[Firebringer]

I haven't read anything from Elliot to inform my opinion or lack therof.
I was only engaged to review the posts made by Firebringer and that has led me to issue a disclaimer of opinion on the Posts for lack of content to which can be relied upon for alignment purposes.

[Firebringer]

I have no opinion on firebringer. he hasn't really done anything.

Why aren't more people voting this nice person?

Well to be perfectly honest here friendo.

I went through you reasoning for voting my slot. Since we both agree that I have done nothing, you are voting me for my previous occupant of this slot.

Now as a person who I believe is analytical, I would think your reasoning had a lot of weight to have this strong read on my slot. What I found was just not much I am afraid.

You can correct me if I am wrong about this, because I did go through your posts but maybe you didn't post the full reasoning or didn't explain it completely in-depth. You scum-read Eliot for wanting to push a wagon on you without a real scumread on you. This was scum motivated because I believe you would say you are town and the reasoning for the push was non-existent.

Now, this is where I find weird. Because this happened so early in the game, I find any reasoning to think that Eliots push on you meant much of anything. I think your right that the push for a wagon on you holds like zero weight, but I don't come to the conclusion you did that it was scum-motivated (well obviously I am in the slot), because I think early game wagons are generally for getting thoughts on players and many people push things they don't really believe in just to get thoughts on peoples interactions around them. This was one of those to push on a wagon that I thought was nothing more then to 'get the ball going'.

Now you might disagree and I would like to think there is more to discuss there, but I don't think so. Theres probably a lot more happening in this game that is worth discussing and far more ripe for analysis than my slot. So I wonder why do you push this so much when I am not sure the foundation is as strong as you make it out to be?

That makes me go into a few thoughts:
A) You are pushing me in order to see my reactions to it or get me to do something. Maybe.
B) You have to be doing something because like gotta fake scumhunt. Possibly
C) You believe you are actually onto something here. Seems unlikely.

[Firebringer]

Btw, my confusion is because Firebringer was/is my strongest SR, followed by Akarin & Flubber. I ended up voting Flubber because he was the only one of the 3 viable yesterday. However, both Akarin & FB were on Flubber too, so it doesn't look like the 3 of them are all scum together.

P-edit:

VOTE: Firebringer

Like lets go through this thought process mate. I don't understand it.
First of, why did you put "was/is" if I am? Not sure on that.

Plus, this doesn't seem to include my actual post where I told you that I was deliberately trying to screw with you by voting Flubber. So I find the notion that you don't think we could be scum together strange because even if you think I just trolled you, I still think you put that into some consideration on that I could still be scum with Flubber since I was doing an act to screw with your brain.

I think I understand kind simple thought that "Ohh why would two allies vote their ally over another a townie" but I don't think I agree with it or think that should change your independent reads, though your doing some association hunting it seems weird not to consider my post of trying to freak you out. Actually I think I am just annoyed my post didn't impact you like I wanted.

[Firebringer]

I feel 40% confident right now that this is Flubbernuggets scum game here.
I say this even though I know my read accuracy with him is probably relatively low.

Theres a few things I look for in his posts. I am not seeing the things I want to see.
And Flubber this post is a test and I expect a certain response.

[Firebringer]

Well I just went through past games of Flubbernugget.
I decided to see how well I could predict his role without notifying myself in advance of what he was.

Did a 3 game observation:
2 games he was town. 1 game he was scum.
I correctly got 3/3 for all of them.

Maybe I am better than I thought. GG no re.

The scum one was a bit harder and I waffled to a weak scum lean on it. So that might mean I am onto something here.

[Firebringer]

I need to find more scum games. I am at 4/4 of predictions of alignment with Flubber past games I never read before.
3 town games. 1 scum game. I don't feel as confident with his scum game but I don't feel it here at all given what I know.

Theres things that are present in the town games. Its just not here and I am unsure how to quantify it to something that would be worthy of explanation. Certain though processes, posts, and even general feel.

I want to see Flubbers reaction to all this. It will iinform me so much more than what I am doing right now I think.

[Firebringer]

And Flubber this post is a test and I expect a certain response.

I have a post prepared for your response. Curious how close to accurate it is.

[Firebringer]

Are you responding to me. Cause it seems like you are just making general posts.

[Firebringer]

Can you make a targeted post in response to anything I say instead of a general post because I am honestly not getting anything from this interaction.

I guess you blew my expectation out of the water when you went for a general statement that wasn't at what I was saying. DIDNT EVEN THINK OF THAT!

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer: The fact that you were doing nothing and openly bragging about it is reason enough for me to scum read you regardless of your predecessor.

Go on....

[Firebringer]

So like are you going to just ignore my position on you. Because I think I am really trying to sort you here and the only reason I think town you has to not engage with it is because you find it annoying/unreasonable?

[Firebringer]

I am more familiar with him than 90% of the playerlist. So I have him higher up the priority list than everyone else.
I was also trying to get a feeling for eyes without a Face and I am kind of at a impasse there because I am not getting the reasoning behind his push on me (does he believe scum would openly brag? Why does he think I am openly bragging as scum? So many questions)

[Firebringer]

I think I have come to the conclusion Eyes is playing extremely lazy and is pushing me now for being extremely lazy. Which is just w/e.
I mean he kind of backtracked his original read on my slot for what Eliot did and said he had reason enough for how I acted. And I feel you can probably apply same standard to him. So what then?

I guess I just don't think it means anything that either of us are being lazy. I am trying to get my head in the game now and only one genuine read. Scum on Flubber. Everything else don't really care much about.

[Firebringer]

Flubber brother. Don't ignore me. Don't you remember our days back in the mafia together?
What happened to that.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[Firebringer]

Feels like Fire is explaining so much to try to show how he has a big thought process and make himself look towny. But, it doesn't feel real.

[Firebringer]

Maybe scum this game was in inactive players. And, they're letting us kill each other. So, that would be Clem, and Elliot or FB, and someone else.

You for real?

[Firebringer]

90% of the players are inactive now.
and you make an astute observation that scum are probably in the inactive?

You need a medal.

[Firebringer]

I would call him inactive just like everyone else.

[Firebringer]

How many people are you calling present then? And do you include yourself. Because I don't even think you count as having a presence because I can't even recall a post from you off the top of my head.

[Firebringer]

Your whole lining of reasoning is just silly to me.

[Firebringer]

No just makes me think reasoning with you is kind of pointless

[Firebringer]

Actually i probably just don't have the patience for it right now.
Maybe another time lovebird.

I have no read on you and I am not gonna try it at this moment.

I am definitely not gonna go through your games rn.

[Firebringer]

One silly thought means I can't reason?

I went through your iso. It is full of them. I don't want to waste effort going through your reasoning on all of them. They seem all vapid and uninteresting.

[Firebringer]

The dumb side of me wants to just call you town.

[Firebringer]

They are all thoughts a person has done without even really thinking. Like they are thoughts a person has when they are just giving opinions of the top of their head as they read something. They are vapid. They are boring. They are silly because they usually are just biases.

[Firebringer]

I'll be willing to vote for flubber if everyone explicitly states in thread that if flubber flips town they will lynch clemency day 3.

Agreed

[Firebringer]

You're trying less than he is right now

You're making a statement and I'm asking you to prove it.

Well what metric you using to test this.

Because if we use post count. I have nearly twice the amount of posts than you even though I joined this game much later.
if we are going by words per post. I have more than you also.

So....

How are you trying more than me right now?

[Firebringer]

I am pretty willing to lynch both of u regardless what you flip Flub. Scum/Town.
: )

[Firebringer]

did u just refer to urself in third person?

[Firebringer]

Yes

[Firebringer]

Why is that what you respond to instead of mcqueens question.

[Firebringer]

What is ur job then?

[Firebringer]

To mimic a Firebringer

Well i think i should give you some pointers.

[Firebringer]

more sarcasm. more cheapshots. more posts. more jokeposts.
also throw around a few insults. couldn't hurt.

[Firebringer]

more sarcasm. more cheapshots. more posts. more jokeposts.
also throw around a few insults. couldn't hurt.

Yeah? Could've fooled me. Fuck off, dude.

I don't know how to Fuck off. I can fuck on if you would llike intead.

Please select one of these options:
1) Fuck on
2) Do a barrel roll
3) Do a rick roll

[Firebringer]

Whats the VC and can we get more votes on Flubb already.
Everyone is just stalling right now.

[Firebringer]

thats L-1.

Someone hammer whenever,.

[Firebringer]

u could shorten this day by hammering mcqueen

[Firebringer]

Scum lynched and probably 2 days before we get the flip. Cya all tomorrow.

[Firebringer]

Have I ever steered u wrong clemency buddy?

[Firebringer]

I feel like we can go for days of just saying X isn't doing anything or X is a useless wagon or X contributions are shit. Because it basically applies to everyone.

Idk Akarin I get why your pointing this out on McQueen but I think this is better suited for tomorrow?

[Firebringer]

I almost want to make a list of most contributions to least and we give out prizes at the end for anyone who is actually doing something here but then that would go to no one lol.

I feel I got Flubb right and put a decent amount of effort for meta hunting and now I hope that pays off.
Then tomorrow you can all sheep me when I find next scum.

Which I will do more analysis when I get invested.
I basically just expect everyone tomorrow to be on the A game.

[Firebringer]

Bujaber and Akarin are my town squad right now.
Scum don't u touch them or I will be mad

[Firebringer]

I decided hey lets do some NK analysis here.
I wanted to see about who read TTTT as townie and who would be willing to kill him.

First read through ISO:
1) He wasn't really townie. Not sure what anyone would tr about this ISO.
2) Nothing says to me "PR!"
3) His only real read is on Clem? I don't know if I should take any meaning into this. Could be frame or not.

So. Usually my thoughts on NKs are that people make them on people who are least likely to get mislynched and then after that it is who is a general through of leadership/readswise. If someone is a big influence but easy to get mislynched they might just keep them alive.

TTTT usually seems like someone who gets townread easy? I don't know him well. I don't think I have seen him around a lot. Should probably check peoples history with him. I am kind of shocked at this kill choice the more I think about it. Feels slightly less than random but also like not who I would have killed.

[Firebringer]

Scum lynched and probably 2 days before we get the flip. Cya all tomorrow.

You need to reflect on how you could totally get my alignment correct except for this one single time, and town needs to hold you to it.

Naah not reflecting on that even if I am wrong.

You didn't give any townie signs I looked for and decided to play "fuck off firebringer" so I decided i wasn't gonna reconsider you at all.

[Firebringer]

But like if eyes flips town his behavior is reportable/bannable surely

I beg to differ. He explicitly said I should through in some insults and I was just following his instructions. Nothing wrong in a disciple following his mentor's directions.

You are failing so hard my disciple. I should flunk you.

[Firebringer]

Fuck off isn't really an insult. I don't know if anyone told you what an insult is.

An insult is more like calling me an idiot. or calling me garbage. Fuck off is more like a salutation than anything.

This is kind of why you fail so far. I need to teach you what an insult is.

[Firebringer]

Just by checking postcounts:
Lovebird is town
Firebringer can go
mcqueen idk
Akarin town
BuJaber can't tell
Clemency probtown
TTTT dunno
Eyes without a read no read
Alonzo should go

This can go.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: clemency

deal is a deal.

[Firebringer]

Have I ever steered u wrong clemency buddy?

I have now.
I am getting all the medals for this game.

[Firebringer]

who is ur strongest scumread? because McQueen seems to be in the same book as Clem from where I am standing.

[Firebringer]

How can I motivate you all to make a huge comeback on scum?

are you actually town here?

[Firebringer]

I don't think sshhaddin crumbed anything at all.

[Firebringer]

So why you reading Bujaber as scum. I mean I kind of find his whole demeanor and behavior here a bit odd but nothing I think is outright scummy?

[Firebringer]

Well...

hmmm
UNVOTE:

[Firebringer]

Would Bujaber be bussing Clem in this situation?
cause I could see his push on clem as a buss and I have no reason to townread or scumread clem.

[Firebringer]

Right now I think the scum team is Creature, Bujaber, and I guess Clem/Mcqueen as one? Idk most of the other players feel townie except for the Eyes who is doing nothing but a tunnel that I can't figure out if lazy town or lazy scum.

[Firebringer]

Its too hard to read clem/McQueen when they dont' give a shit about this game at all.
Even eyes at least is doing something with a push. I can't decipher that push motivations at all but its something.

[Firebringer]

How can I motivate you all to make a huge comeback on scum?

are you actually town here?

Would you rather I be town or scum?

Id rather u be scum so i can just lynch u. Not sure I can work with you in this game.

[Firebringer]

i dont see why bujaber is scum over just being wrong this game

Who do u think is scum.

[Firebringer]

akarin has bought me.
VOTE: bujaber

[Firebringer]

Now I am an oathbreaker. See what you made me become Akarin.
You soiled my good reputation.

[Firebringer]

Wow Eyes finally makes a post that says something other than Vote FB.
And everything he says in the post is wrong.

[Firebringer]

What I don't like about him? You tell me what you do like about him? Just what exactly did he do that looked townie to you since he joined the game?

This is called shifting the burden. You are the one claiming to scumread me. You need to give reasons not other way around.

And a Clem lynch is going to be resisted by scum more likely if he is town. No offense, but gullible trolly players do not get pushed by scum. It's best to let the town lynch them and come back to say I told you so.

Doesn't make sense. How is Clem a gullibly trolly town player over a town player. You seemed to be in a circular argument that scum don't push gullible trolly players so Clem is town. While not pointing at any scum who aren't pushing Clem for proof of your concept.

FB tunnlled Flubber probably for fear of him. When he first voted him on D1 he made it look like a joke, so it certainly didn't mean he actually SR'd Flub.

First part is incorrect. Second part is right about not having a serious vote on Flub D1.

On D2 he continued his push on Flub for no good reason.

So wrong that it hurts. I have about 3 detailed posts about my push and reasoning on Flub. I was wrong, but you saying no good reason is really really questionable.

And now he's pushing you, yet you still refuse to vote him. What am I supposed to think when this is your stance?

That he doesn't consider me scum? That he is scum and doesn't consider me worth pushing? A million different things. How are we supposed to read your mind to understand your thoughts when this is the most thought you have given in a post and its literally ass backwards. For all we know you think the mod is scum.

Also, as I accuse FB of tunneling Fub I can't ignore your tunnel on Clem either. Of course you're free to say I'm also tunneling FB and you would be ok. I have the slight advantage of knowing I'm town (which you don't) though so I am calling what I see and I don't care how it makes me look.

Bujaber could literally use this same argument if he wanted. i can use this argument. Its worthless.

This does today.

Play the god damn game.

[Firebringer]

I think Eyes could be town here but god damn it if I didn't want him gone from this game for all this lack of playing and tunneling shit.

[Firebringer]

McQueen how can you be so not invested in this game that you can't read the last few pages of the game? You constantly are in this mode of "not sure what is going on can someone tell me hwat is going on?

I get that this game isn't interesting. I don't know how you don't see you contribute and are making it worse with your constant lack of attention to the game.

[Firebringer]

Here are the players currently that care about this game: me, akarin, bujaber.
Here are the players who don't give a shit: Everyone else.

This is very very underwhelming for someone who wants to get reads. For someone who wants to play the game. And someone who is trying to sit here and revive a dead game.

I feel like i am trying to revive a dead game and just about to give up and call the time of death and leave.

In fact, I am going to leave within the next few rl days if things aren't corrected. I am not gonna solo play this game.

[Firebringer]

i don't have a good answer so i'm not gonna try to make up one.

And here is the problem buddy.

I can't sort that kind of mindset your in. Not to shit all over you, but when I see a mindset of "i am not going to figure out whats going on and give thoughts. just gonna throw thoughts around" it can easily be done by either apathetic town or scum.

How do I know your mind is scum or town. Even if your town, how would i trust your reads when I know they aren't informed by someone who has taken a read through everything thats going on and made some kind of judgement based on that.

You are playing like this as though you are a casual observer to the game. If I was going to read the motivations of a casual observer, I would likely fail at pegging them as town/scum because they aren't in the game nor do they care which side wins. That is what I get from you.


So how do I read you properly here buddy? How.

[Firebringer]

FB doesn't seem to be trolling so likely town too.

If this is how u read me. That explains so much.

[Firebringer]

Wilky is scum here everytime.

[Firebringer]

pish?

u can posture all day bro

[Firebringer]

does it bug u that ur still posturing?

[Firebringer]

wait I thought the game would be over here

[Firebringer]

You guys gonna play this game??

no

[Firebringer]

You think I am scum. Why do you honestly care what I say?

[Firebringer]

You have said that.
You said that a dozen times in the previous day.

Which btw. I want to pick a fight with you over, but I don't care enough about this game to fight.


idk. Maybe a fight with you will bring me some amusement back. Want to fight?

[Firebringer]

And if I do think you're scum the correct play is to talk to me more so I change that read, no?

Don't play this shit with me. That is scum manipulation.

[Firebringer]

Don't really have a reason to scumread Firebringer but I've seen stuff like his buja Clemency bus thing from scum him several times

Worst I ever said about you

Or are you just ateing to get me to townread you because until we had this conversation I thought you were the most likely town in my flex pool

If you think I am ateing. You should just scumread me if you are town.

[Firebringer]

Well I think your town here and I just want to fight u right now. Your stances yesterday piss me off.

[Firebringer]

Wilkys not scum
Akarins not scum
Mcqueen isn't scum
RC not scum

Creature scum
Partners in order are EWAF/Firebringer/Alonzo

And if he's scum?

You still think you're better than me?

VOTE: Bujaber

Here you go then
I can pretty much guarantee you that this is town because a town that lynches the cop D1 doesn't get 4 votes on scum.

Try me

Lovebird is never scum here

Firebringer is calling both creature and bujaber scum and voting Bujaber

Think I'm leaning EWAF third?

RC town
Akarin town (pushing buja)
Wilky town

Fire ? (Pushing buja)

Oh actually McQueen could be the third

all of these.

which one would you like to talk about first?

[Firebringer]

I am pissed you pushed a townread to lynch for ego reasons.

[Firebringer]

I don't know. I don't think it really matters if he had or hadn't. I think your behavior around that is bad. So it pisses me off. And this anger about it isn't really me concerned about your alignment.

Like I know you well enough that town you could easily reason out a good enough excuse to vote him. I think the fact you did it for what I know is ego reasons is just frustrating.

[Firebringer]

I think I am more angry that I was wrong about bujaber. You could have convinced me he was town. But I didn't even come back to the thread in time for your replacing in or shit show you played a part in. And now I was apart of another mislynch which is entirely on me, which angers me more, and to learn someone knew they were town and just lynched them because what you gave.

Ohh boi, doesn't help

[Firebringer]

I mean annoyed. But I don't doubt you were annoyed by shit. Its pretty clear in your ISO.

[Firebringer]

how are you going to win games by lynching your townreads just out of spite?

[Firebringer]

Yeah. And I think if you don't take some of the blame here, you look like a hypocrite man.

[Firebringer]

You are apart of the town. Not some separate entity. You played a big role in the shit show. If you want to argue with me about degree we can do so. But to pretend this is everyone elses fault is really old/uninteresting and silly

[Firebringer]

This wasn't just an ego thing

I thought through the hammer a lot more carefully than you seem to think

I can't see how it was anything more than ego. Maybe we should talk more about that after game.


how is wilky never scum here?

[Firebringer]

What if i told you, I am somewhat more interested in your creature case, because I kind of think Creature could be scum.

[Firebringer]

idk I think eyes is just a town moron tbh.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: alonzo

[Firebringer]

we get it. if he is town he sucks.

[Firebringer]

then why aren't u cross voting him?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: unvote

i don't get how alonzo just said that rc outed himself but decided to unvote there?

[Firebringer]

i think that is like a scum claim.

[Firebringer]

this read on alonzo looks more and more like u just hate the dude man.

[Firebringer]

i don't know. i don't know your history here. seems like there is untold stories going on

[Firebringer]

like obviously you think he is discrediting your lovebird read hard and you don't like it and he has done that kind of thing before.
so obviously i think you don't like him for all of that and hate him for doing it.

just think it could cloud your judgement.

i think his reaction to this 1v1 was scummy so i don't know why i am bothering with any of this. just spitting out thoughts

[Firebringer]

can i suggest taking a 24 hour break from the thread man?

[Firebringer]

can self self kill with bus driver in this?

[Firebringer]

can scum self kill with bus driver in this?

edit

[Firebringer]

well if it can, why don't we just hedge on alonzo with that and lynch stronger scumreads first?

[Firebringer]

do u think u are going to die with bus driver in play

[Firebringer]

do u think u are going to die with bus driver in play

[Firebringer]

mafia is a good parent

[Firebringer]

you want me to explain my read on creature? Cause I don't have a strong scumread on him.
I am mixed but I think he doesn't act this way around you the way he does if he is town.

Also he default scumreads me always as town. So this is probably scum game too.

[Firebringer]

okkkkkkkk

[Firebringer]

I was meaning to ask you for a refund on that

[Firebringer]

rc. which godfather character am I?

[Firebringer]

what you talking about was don corleone

[Firebringer]

me either

[Firebringer]

I was referring u (rc) as don Corleone and was talking about how you said "Firebringer who was town"
ur poor wording is driving a wedge between ur consigliere and u.

#poorcommunicationkills

[Firebringer]

I am not sure yet but I do like fanart

[Firebringer]

Had more quotes in here but seem to have lost them.

Wilky where do you stand

Not sure I see both Alonzo and McQueen bring scum together here and my scum read on McQueen is much bigger than that on Alonzo so tempted to say town Alonzo.

I guess that leaves the scum team as McQueen/Eyes and then I'm not sure. If your slot is scum then you and clemency both deserve the win so I'm willing to sheep you on Creature I guess.

I think this post is scummy to rc.

[Firebringer]

well that was a townie post.

[Firebringer]

I continually hear u say this. but I am not intaking it just because you say it.

[Firebringer]

I am not trying to explain a scumteam at the moment. I have no idea what the scum team is. I want to get scum one at a time.

[Firebringer]

This game was such a shit show. I am embarrassed to have taken apart of it. And even more embarrassed I tried and failed as hard as I did.

[Firebringer]

Yes my main is Titus