Mini Normal 2055: egyptian mau cats [Endgame]

[YellowSnow]

First post

VOTE: TTTT

For having a username with all the same letters.

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I remember TTTT from a newbie game. I'll need to reread that.

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VOTE: Tarkus

This does seem suspicious.

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So you put someone at 3 votes on page 1 totally by accident?

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So you purposefully omgus'd him.

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That you're more worried about who is voting you than finding scum.

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@ Penguin: I probably have less experience than most ppl in this game, but from the little time i spent playing mafia some years ago, OMGUS was considered more scummy than townie. And throwing a 3rd vote onto someone making it pass as a RVS vote as well.

EBWOP: @TTTT you are right, i did not pay proper attention when skimming through. I guess that makes the vote less suspicious.

OMGUS isn't scummy.

How does a 3rd vote take us out of RVS in your view?

I disagree. OMGUSing is overly reactionary and not pro-town productive.

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Self Voting can promote discussion that doesn't make it pro town.

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Nope but even a guilty result doesn't equal scum, you just have to work with what you have and in my opinion it's the scummiest thing that has happened to this point, which admittedly isn't much.

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My point is people can lie about night actions so it's not 100 percent indicative.

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I don't like how you are talking about roles this early, nor the fact that u immmediately jumped on my acusations of Tarkus without noticing my mistake counting the votes.

VOTE: YellowSnow.

The current vote count had nothing to do with it, my vote was based on the total number of votes in a short period of time. And you were the one that started the discussion of what made someone scum or not, not me.

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Apparently I'm being wagoned because I think OMGUS is scummy. I'm accused of "disccusing roles" when the only thing I said was "if someone claimed a guilty" which is a huge reach for discussing roles.

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I don't like how you are talking about roles this early, nor the fact that u immmediately jumped on my acusations of Tarkus without noticing my mistake counting the votes.

VOTE: YellowSnow.

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wow I guess that OMGUS isn't scummy either.

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It could be, but like I said anything can generate discussion including pro-scum moves.

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I would love to answer this but I'll let Slaxx answer.

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Because apparently anyone that thinks Iron is scum is scum themselves.

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Scum tend to worry about how they are perceived more than town.

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Yep, and after that you went on a crusade of accusing anyone who has a concern about you as being scum, and using the newbie card as well.

You're certainly not acting like a newbie, which leads me to believe you're underplaying your mafia experience.

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Why not?

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Why not?

Because he rarely does anything relevant.

link?

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Could be a scumslip? Opening post says mafia can daytalk.

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VOTE: Ironman Btw2

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@COA you're scumreadinge me for being concerned with OMGUSing or your're scumreading the person OMGUSing?

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*rolls eyes*

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@COA: You don't think the OMGUSing or daytalk scumslip are scumtells?

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"let's wagon the noob player" its what you guys are typing in your Mafia Chat. Shameful guys =(

@Dunstral : The newbie game i joined has started as well, and in that one its stated in the first post that mafia can day talk. Since thats how it works in a newbie game, i am guessing that is the rule of thumb on this site? I checked this game's first post after your question and nothing says that mafia can day talk though.

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Because he admits he made the statement assuming there was a mafia chat. He says "that's how it works in a newbie game" so he knows to check the opening post in that game but apparently didn't check the opening post here which I don't buy.

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VOTE: Ironman Btw2

Thats the second time you jump onto a wagon in the first 5 pages btw.

This is a pretty active thread. Which do you think is more towny wagoing or OMGUSing?

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Considering Ironman just being badtown. Kind of unsure.

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He seems to lack some basic mafia theory concepts. Not interested in sorting and overly reactive. However he has made some iteresting counterarguments and is not holding up terribly tbh.

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In fact...

Unvote

For now anyways...

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Maybe he's overly sensitive to being lynched because he's new.

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My point is people can lie about night actions so it's not 100 percent indicative.

am i blind or how tf the fuck did we get to lying about night actions

Because he said something about "so and so proving he's scum" and my point is you don't need proof to be scummy.

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I thought it was funny.

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Sounds reasonable.

VOTE: mohab

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Every game is different. I'm always for clearing townies.

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Lie. I just saw an awesome scum performance and that is definitely staying with me even though I was town.

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*hug*

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More of an info Lynch. Day 1s are often somewhat in the dark.

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PPPP for life!

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roster foster has no content this game and he's effectively put me at L-1.

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Probably scum trying to prevent a scum lynch by voting town.

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Ah yes my bad forgot PP and Opaka moved.

Forget what I just said.

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Why are you voting me anyways?

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Says the person with 5 posts?

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Why not vote Clemency or someone else instead of me, are you worried you won't be on the lynching wagon and don't care if it's town?

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I think almost anyone here would agree a good percentage of my posts are superior to all of your posts.

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How can you say nothing has happened to him?? Have you read the thread?

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What is his scum meta?

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Mohab wants to flip Iron, because I was tunneling him previously. He thinks if tunnel is scum I am town, and if tunnel is town I am scum. However, it could be that mohab is scum and me vs. iron was tvt, and a mohab flip could help get us to that point.

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Seems like a desperate vote.

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I'm definately town.

You're jumping to conclusions pretty quick.

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Clemency was the non self hammering vote and also had little content.

VOTE: Clemency

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I think removing Clemency would greatly improve the towns win chances.

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I always go 100 percent all the time when I can for my team, which in this case is town. I assume you think your approach to removing the town JOAT is the superior one?

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If clemency is scum we get scum. If he is town we get an unhelpful player. I think he is lurky scum though as per his Mohab comment.

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I always go 100 percent all the time when I can for my team, which in this case is town. I assume you think your approach to removing the town JOAT is the superior one?

first off, he self-hammered
second, i know you're 100% aware that was a joke, so why are you trying to make a case of it

I specifically said you were the non self hammering vote.

You seem to think the whole game is a joke, and are not helping your team either way. Why should we keep you alive?

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Yes because he is more worried about obsolving himself of guilt than lynching a town power role.

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If clemency is scum we get scum. If he is town we get an unhelpful player. I think he is lurky scum though as per his Mohab comment.

The hypocrisy is real.

Tell me about it

foster posts = 18
yellow posts = 60

[YellowSnow]

yes.

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Why don't you want to lynch Clemency? He has zero town value.

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I've done some meta research and there are games that he has contributed in so he is actively choosing not to contribute for some reason.

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From Large Normal 217:

the entire case you've presented on persivul is
-your word
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Aren't you, by voting Xtoxm, also taking 0verki11's word? Haven't you also asked us to accept your word on A50? I don't see why this is any different.

the context was different with the xtoxm vote, it was just a decision on which goes first
i'm asking you to accept my word because i straightforward claimed a town protective after a no kill night and didn't get cc'd
i did it because i felt having a50 conftown would be beneficial enough for the game to be worth it

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Clemecy and Tarkus are scum based on participation, everyone else is town. Echo may be scum if there's a 3rd scum cause it looks like he's just looking for reasons to vote me even if they're bad.

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Athena would probably be mid level town.

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Cause other players are scummier and she at least has town value.

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Townreading pp coach and oka

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C o a not coach

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I think his alliance with PP is townish.

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TTTT - said it was "a good way to start the day"

rosterfoster - lurker vote

echoVision - following TTTT

Clemency - lurker vote

mostly it's an ill advised reaction wagon I think.

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That's not true. You have absolutely refused to say anything about the game even with a small post count.

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I have quality AND quantity, you have neither.

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I think it's safe to say you would't be "on me" if TTTT didn't vote me.

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Well if you say it's true it must be true.

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I think it was my first game...how do you think I'm different?

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that's not true, I am scumreading Clemency based on him having more content in other games. He's hiding trying not to leave connections with his scumbuddies.

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The issue is he has no content. It's difficult to build a comprehensive case that way.

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I'm scumreading him because he has content in other games. I suppose I could cite more specific cases if that would help.

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I've done some meta research on you and based on what you did posed I concerned there was a probability of you providing content later which proved to be true.

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I've done some meta research on you and based on what you did posed I concerned there was a probability of you providing content later which proved to be true.

What kind of research? Elaborate on that.

posting history.

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Why do you town read me?

You're active, engaging, and sorting.

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I'm working at the moment so it will be awhile before I can make a comprehensive post.

[YellowSnow]

Why do you town read me?

You're active, engaging, and sorting.

Scum can also do this. Why is my activity making me a town read for you?

I place a lot on activity early on until we have more to go on.

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@COA: Posts like this one show you have some basic intelligence and understanding of the game....Open 702

You place far too much confidence in the idea that people can even become "conftown" in this setup. I'm not sure whether you have any ulterior motive or not to push this idea, but either way it's an incredibly dangerous one. You shouldn't treat anybody as conftown in this setup - perhaps the primary goal that scum actually have this game is to insert themselves into that group, whereupon if we were to follow your strategy, scum would win guaranteed.

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You really shouldn't.

I try to engage with as many people as possible and see if they engage back or shy away from me.

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Clemency on the other hand has had some decent posts in other games, but not this one. Why choose this one not to contribute? It's a specific decision he made to try and seem dumb.

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I'm not actively trying to be different. So I can't answer a question I don't know the answer to.

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Why is Oka scummy?

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Well, you have't said anything I've done that's scummy, so...

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What exactly has Oka done?

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why didn't you list me in your TRs?

Townreading pp coach and oka

you're not sorting as much as I'd like. You're a midlevel townread.

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I agree on your case but I'm not sure we need to wagon up this quickly.

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I think it's a good case but I don't know if it's lynch worthy.

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ok fair point.

VOTE: OkaPoka

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Does your flip change Dunn's towniness at all?

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Breaking up is hard to do....

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@oka do you take full responsibility for the votes while sheeping penguin?

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Okay that's a dumb answer your just telling us what you think we want to hear.

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Hopefully we have night action results today and don't just rely on gut, since that approach obviously isn't working well.

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Any thoughts on why Slaxx and Penguin have been the night kills?

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Because I'm town.

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@clemency why don't you contribute something and explain why I should have been the lynch?

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VOTE: rosterfoster

Relying on Clemency for vote guidance is bad policy in general.

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I think Clemency and rosterfoster could be scumbuddies.

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You don't think it's odd how they're up in each other's skirts and don't have any differing opinions?

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Do you not think that's a bit of a mean thing to do?

are we supposed to be nice to suspected scum?

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So if mafia were a real life game you wouldn't torture mafia for information?

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Statements like "scum would never say these things" is very WIFOM.

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Why vedith?

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ok so Vedith is town.

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not since you and clemency are scum

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I really think voting roster first is more indicative of clemency than clemency is indicative of rosterfoster but I am okay either way.

VOTE: Clemency

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All the players that think I was town are dying like flies. I think that is pretty indicative of my alignment.

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At least I am contributing to the game.

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but yeah hi i'm the comedic relief here

man you guys play fast

zoop

dab

VOTE: yellowsnow
allons-y

VOTE: yellowsnow

its yellow and vedith

man this game is not my crowd

[YellowSnow]

Ii didn't say I was helping the most of anyone. But thanks for misrepping me.

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TTTT and Dunn maybe. Penguin was but he is dead unfortunately. COA if she was around more.

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quit misrepping me please.

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Why do you think Clemency is town?

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So if you were a betting man do you think it is Yellow town Clemency scum, Clemency town Yellow scum, Clemency town Yellow town or Clemency scum yellow scum?

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@Clem — If you're town, don't let this happen.

I hate "look at me I'm town because I say so" statements like this. Maybe you made this comment because you don't want us to look at your voting history?

At this point, honestly, with the poor town performance so far nearly everyone is suspect in my book. It's really hard to say anyone is super town.

As for Vedith he's maybe one of the most townish because Clemency says he is scum Clemency is scummy and doesn't seem to have much subtlety in his play style.

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Why?

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I think Clemency and roster are evaluating the game at a very basic level which is scummy.

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Why wouldn't he? He's scum.

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I think Clemency and roster are evaluating the game at a very basic level which is scummy.

How can you see this and not think it reeks of scum. IDEK what Clemency is doing but I’m good with either a Vedith or Yellow lynch.

Again no basis for your argument other than "omg how could you think I am scummy!"

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The irony is that you are doing exactly what you accuse me/us of doing.

I'm pretty sure more are townblocking me than you, though.

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Venith's unwillingness to lay out his thought process seems suspicious actually.

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I have no words...

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I love that everyone who votes me has nothing substantial to say. That tells you something right there.

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I don't see Vedith saying anything substantial and if Vedith is scum great and if he's town it is fairly alignment indicative of some other players(foster if Vedith is town), so let's get a flip.

VOTE: Vedith

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I have a strong feeling he's scum.

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Have you never heard of bussing?

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No I'm saying Clemency bussed vedith.

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I'm the town fruit vendor. I'm pretty sure this is confirmable.

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I'm not "going for that." It's my role.

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While you're at it why not explain why you're only trying to actually help the town in lylo?

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I didn't see anything in the wiki that recommending instant claiming.

Show me three games you've played in that had fruit vendor and weather or not they instant claimed or if someone said they should instant claim.

And I've been successfull in my night action all 3 nights.

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Yes, two of the three players are still alive. I received mod communication to confirm it was sucessfull.

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@echo you were one of the people I gave fruit to so why are you lying?

]vote]echovision[/vote]

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VOTE: echovision

[YellowSnow]

Do you really think lylo is the time to keep your cards close to your chest?

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I don't think an "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" is a good strategy this late in the game. It may be early in the day but it's still lylo. One wrong vote and the game could be over.

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I thought the odds of you being alive at lylo were high since you would not be a likely high profile target of the mafia(aka Penguin, CoA, TTTT)

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If there aren't any other results we should lynch echo imho. Or Clemency.

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I thought the odds of you being alive at lylo were high since you would not be a likely high profile target of the mafia(aka Penguin, CoA, TTTT)

Which makes this odd

Odd how?

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I didn't think that until later in the game.

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I never said it made me conftown, but we do have a confirmed liar in echo.

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Echo is Lying.

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I was pm d

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Maybe there is something to my role I am not aware of, but I was pm'd.

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Why would TTTT and CoA know they received fruit but not echo?

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Yes.

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I don't have anything to say, I know what I know.

[YellowSnow]

I double checked I didn't get a pm I was confused with another game.

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VOTE: YellowSnow

[YellowSnow]

Yay, my first mafia win! Was great playing with everyone, especially my mafia brethren.

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OH btw yellow i should let you know that i really thought i rolecopped you and got vanilla but i didn’t lmao... that’s why i said the “oh so this is how we’re gonna do this?” but like after i realized i didn’t rolecop you it was too late i’d have been the certain lynch so i just kinda let things play out and stayed on that shit bc i’m stubborn and REALLY hoped you were scum

Well I was scum but I tried to look as towny as possible. I messed up on the whole night results things and forgot that I shouldn't have gotten a result. I played pretty well for my first game as mafia though I think. It was a good overall team effort.