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Post Post #163  (isolation #0)  » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:47 pm

This game exploded quite fast. Ironman did not scumslip. I have no idea how you can think that. It makes complete sense to assume that scum would have daychat by default in Mafia. But there are some bad posts . is so so scummy. Also and .

VOTE: Ironman

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Post Post #165  (isolation #1)  » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:50 pm

But I mean especially if you’ve also just joined a newbie game. I mean he’s scummy, and perhaps the reasoning about the feel he’s messed up is right, but town could definitely say that. It’s all the posturing that makes him scummy.

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Post Post #310  (isolation #2)  » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:09 pm

VOTE: Yellowsnow

This is fillering so much.

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Post Post #313  (isolation #3)  » Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:23 pm

Except you are nowhere near L-1.

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Post Post #316  (isolation #4)  » Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:33 pm

This game has so many words and so little content. You are the embodiment of that.

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Post Post #318  (isolation #5)  » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:08 pm

Not all posts were created equal.

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Post Post #323  (isolation #6)  » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:24 pm

My read on Mohab is Null. Sorry, but literally nothing has happened to him (though we seem to agree about both Ironman and Yellow).

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Post Post #328  (isolation #7)  » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:34 pm

In post 324, YellowSnow wrote:How can you say nothing has happened to him?? Have you read the thread?


He called Ironman scummy, said something about you, got some odd votes on him, then got more for not knowing pp = penguinpower.

I fail to understand the votes on him before the pp thing.

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Post Post #332  (isolation #8)  » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:37 pm

Well then why?

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Post Post #333  (isolation #9)  » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:37 pm

That wagon is such a mystery to me

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Post Post #335  (isolation #10)  » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:38 pm

Oh wait seems I didnt read page 9 properly/at all.

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Post Post #338  (isolation #11)  » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:46 pm

Ok I see it. It's stiff. Like I mean obviously it's completely incoherent, but somehow it doesn't feel too bad. But with every passing moment I feel worse about it.

is poor though from yellow.

Pedit: I really don't know. I read (skimmed) it, but never really noticed the TTTT explanation.

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Post Post #382  (isolation #12)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:03 am

Wow so much anger.

Yellow snow is a better lynch though. He’s just posting to increase his post count, so he can say stuff like

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Post Post #386  (isolation #13)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:48 pm

Because he’s pretending it’s not.

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Post Post #389  (isolation #14)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:13 pm

‘I think he’s just town but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was scum’

Whit?

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Post Post #391  (isolation #15)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:04 pm

K. I just think we have different interpretations of the English language and I’ll leave it at that. I think we need Yellow and Iron to post properly for this to progress some more.

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Post Post #421  (isolation #16)  » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:22 pm

VOTE: Yellowsnow

I don’t think I need to explain this again.

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Post Post #443  (isolation #17)  » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:22 pm

In post 438, YellowSnow wrote:If clemency is scum we get scum. If he is town we get an unhelpful player. I think he is lurky scum though as per his Mohab comment.


The hypocrisy is real.

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Post Post #447  (isolation #18)  » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:25 pm

As we have discussed before, not all posts were created equal.

That’s not what I was talking about though.

‘If he is town we get an unhelpful player’

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Post Post #476  (isolation #19)  » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:29 pm

Yeah there's no way this isn't scum.

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Post Post #480  (isolation #20)  » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:02 pm

In post 477, Tarkus wrote:CoA is in your town pool?


I had no idea who you meant there, until I realised this slot very much exists.

If you're still here CoA, come baaaaaack.

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Post Post #485  (isolation #21)  » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:38 pm

Wot

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Post Post #535  (isolation #22)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:43 pm

Have you been reading the game?

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Post Post #536  (isolation #23)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:48 pm

Also Yellow is actually answering everything in multiple posts just to increase his vote count. I have no idea if that's normal for him, but it's been taken to the complete extreme here.

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Post Post #543  (isolation #24)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:44 pm

I struggle to understand a lot of Yellow's posting. It just doesn't seem to be factually correct.

The level of delusion gives me paranoia though.

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Post Post #671  (isolation #25)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:30 pm

VOTE: Yellowsnow

Vedith, did you know that was a hammer?

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Post Post #675  (isolation #26)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:33 pm

Except I’m really not.

I need to think about this Vedith stuff more.

TTTT same question.

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Post Post #681  (isolation #27)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:51 pm

In post 677, Vedith wrote:
In post 421, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Yellowsnow

I don’t think I need to explain this again.


Explain this to me.
I want your entire case in one post. Thanks.


I get paranoia about this because it is so so so blatant that I almost think scum wouldn't dare do it, but sometimes second-guessing is pointless.

Spoiler: case
Not once, has yellowsnow said anything at all constructive about this game. From ISO 0 to 41 there is nothing, with the exception of which is as fencesitty as you get.

Of course, maybe he's just bored town, posting as they have nothing else to do, etc. So there's some actual scummy stuff too.

In post 311, YellowSnow wrote:roster foster has no content this game and he's effectively put me at L-1.


In post 317, YellowSnow wrote:Says the person with 5 posts?


In post 320, YellowSnow wrote:I think almost anyone here would agree a good percentage of my posts are superior to all of your posts.


Completely bizzare oneupmanship, deflecting the points I was trying to make (extreme fillering). He continues this for basically the rest of his posts, and I maintain that he is only posting so he can say he's got the most posts in the game.

Now OK, maybe this comes from town desperate to appear proactive, but I did have a skim of his other games. The posts are short, yes, but there is some level of insight and progress made in them, rather than the running-on-the-spot which is happening here.


A wise leaf once told me to not do pre-flip associations, and I feel like interactions with yellowsnow drive a lot of what I may find, so I'm not sure about other scum reads yet. I am pretty sure that Yellowsnow is scum though.

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Post Post #684  (isolation #29)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:57 pm

It's the same style but I felt like there was more opinions and less fluff. (He got lynched D1 actually, I think this style comes across as scummier, which is a good defence when you're actually scum).

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Post Post #687  (isolation #30)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:38 pm

Do you not think that's a bit of a mean thing to do?

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Post Post #689  (isolation #31)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:41 pm

Yes.

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Post Post #693  (isolation #32)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:54 pm

Scum would never say these things. TTTT is town.

Pedit:

Torture is unethical. More to the point it doesn't work.

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Post Post #695  (isolation #33)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:07 pm

Well of course. But this is just so brazen. I also think that scum would be far more careful about saying L-1's.

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Post Post #710  (isolation #34)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:49 am

‘Yellow’s probably scum’

‘Roster’s probably scum instead of yellow by POE’

Also yellow is not a lost cause.

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Post Post #716  (isolation #35)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:39 am

VOTE: Yellowsnow

Now seriously, can we lynch this?

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Post Post #726  (isolation #36)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:12 pm

I wonder how many of your 117 posts have been saying ‘look! I’m helping the most out of anyone. Taste my post count’

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Post Post #728  (isolation #37)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:15 pm

Who’s helping more than you?

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Post Post #731  (isolation #38)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:33 pm

TTTT posts = 67
yellow posts = 119

Surely you're way better than TTTT on post count alone. Oh wait....

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Post Post #733  (isolation #39)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:40 pm

See the problem is that you have never actually engaged with me. Your entire scumread on me is on the basis of no content, no?

But I think I have generated content aplenty for you, so if you could try to engage with some of that I would be most grateful.

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Post Post #735  (isolation #40)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:41 pm

I don’t.

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Post Post #736  (isolation #41)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:41 pm

He confuses me.

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Post Post #737  (isolation #42)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:44 pm

Btw I have about 5 minutes before I watch the football (you may call it soccer). So if you want any more questions please send them fast.

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Post Post #739  (isolation #43)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:50 pm

I do not feel I can answer that question without knowing your allignment. I can not analyse interactions based on unknown alignments - because the interactions come from only one permutation.

I feel Yellow scum though.

And that’s me. I’ll be back later tonight probably.

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Post Post #747  (isolation #44)  » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:00 pm

In post 740, Vedith wrote:Then vote him.


Except I have someone who I actually, y'know, think is scum. I *think* I might be able to sort Clemency from a yellow flip, since there's actually been interactions there. But it still pains me greatly that it is like this.

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Post Post #774  (isolation #45)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:13 pm

I hate to spoil your fun but there’s probably 3 scum.

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Post Post #777  (isolation #46)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:19 pm

I thought 3 scum was standard for this size of game?

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Post Post #778  (isolation #47)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:19 pm

Oh wait the rules say ‘10 town, 3 mafia’

So 3 scum

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Post Post #780  (isolation #48)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:22 pm

I wasn’t until I read the rules.

What the hell are you on?

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Post Post #781  (isolation #49)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:22 pm

Like there’s no way that’s a mod erorr

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Post Post #783  (isolation #50)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:29 pm

That attempt at forcing me to ‘slip’ was so scummy.

VOTE: Vedith

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Post Post #790  (isolation #51)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:44 pm

In post 785, YellowSnow wrote:I think Clemency and roster are evaluating the game at a very basic level which is scummy.


How can you see this and not think it reeks of scum. IDEK what Clemency is doing but I’m good with either a Vedith or Yellow lynch.

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Post Post #794  (isolation #52)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:49 pm

The irony is that you are doing exactly what you accuse me/us of doing.

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Post Post #796  (isolation #53)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:52 pm

Aww how nice.

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Post Post #798  (isolation #54)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:55 pm

Well that’s very kind of you. But no thanks. I have actual scumreads and town have messed up the game so far by pointing in the other direction, so it’s time to fix that.

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Post Post #800  (isolation #55)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:10 pm

How about we do it today?

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Post Post #804  (isolation #56)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:21 pm

In post 801, Vedith wrote:I mean, I like your thinking... And I can tell that you are thinking outside of the box.
However, it doesn't work!


The box is perfectly functional. It keeps all the townies inside, only killing themselves, while the scum exist on the outside, safe from all harm. Unless we break the box.

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Post Post #814  (isolation #57)  » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:35 am

In post 812, YellowSnow wrote:I love that everyone who votes me has nothing substantial to say. That tells you something right there.


Back to this are we?

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Post Post #830  (isolation #58)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:09 pm

In post 826, Tarkus wrote:Yeah I have a hard time seeing them as partners. Especially if you're scum.

Tarkus hop on this Vedith wagon. I could do yellow too but there’s been something pretty actively scummy about Vedith that I don’t get from yellow.

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Post Post #845  (isolation #59)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:02 pm

Shit that hammer makes me think Vedith was town. We must lynch yellow tomorrow.

Pedit: He is seemingly. I’ll have a think about this tonight, because if you are town you were probably right town.

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Post Post #848  (isolation #60)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:05 pm

What do you think about CoA?

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Post Post #862  (isolation #61)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:17 am

I've played so badly this game, it's unreal. I never should have pushed Vedith, he was actually trying which is more than can be said for a lot of people. I'm not an expert at VCA but I'm just going to green the final day wagons:

Day 1

Mohab500 [7] - TTTT, Slaxx, YellowSnow, PenguinPower, OkaPoka, Clemency, Mohab500
YellowSnow [4] - Ironman Btw2, EchoVision, rosterfoster, Tarkus
Tarkus [1] - CultOfAthena
Ironman Btw2 [1] - Dunnstral

Day 2

OkaPoka [6] - Dunnstral, CultOfAthena, TTTT, YellowSnow, PenguinPower, Vedith
YellowSnow [3] - rosterfoster, EchoVision, Clemency
Clemency [1] - YellowSnow
TTTT [1] - OkaPoka
Not Voting - Tarkus

Day 3

Vedith [5] - rosterfoster, Clemency, Dunnstral, Tarkus, YellowSnow
Clemency [2] - Vedith, EchoVision
Not Voting - CultOfAthena, TTTT

I find it really hard to believe that Mohab was an all-town lynch, so there's at least one scum in Yellow, Clemency and TTTT. Possibly 2. Same with the Okapoka wagon - again it formed for stupid reasons like the Mohab wagon, so I am inclined to believe that there's scum on it. This strongly suggests that Yellow is scum, and I feel a little uneasy about TTTT but it's not as clear to me as yellow. I'm also thinking that that not telling about L1 thing was seriously scummy. Day 3 the hammer was scummy af, but I actually believe the 4-wagon may have been mostly town, as it almost formed as a yellow/Vedith joint lynch type of thing. I have serious doubts about Clemency though too.

I think it might be TTTT/Yellow/Clemency, and D1 they did really well at manipulating this Mohab lynch. Possibly Echo in place of TTTT, with Echo being the one who's trying to get town cred by staying off the lynch wagons. Maybe that makes more sense.

I'm almost certain that Tarkus is town, and IDK about Dunnstral, but I might be more sure about that slot later.

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Post Post #870  (isolation #62)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:45 pm

In post 869, YellowSnow wrote:I didn't see anything in the wiki that recommending instant claiming.

Show me three games you've played in that had fruit vendor and weather or not they instant claimed or if someone said they should instant claim.

And I've been successfull in my night action all 3 nights.


He was talking about the person receiving the fruit. IDK if people have. Is somebody/ies you gave fruit to still alive?

How do you know you've been successful all 3 nights?

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Post Post #872  (isolation #63)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:20 pm

Not that I doubt you, but

@Mod: Would a fruit vendor be told if their action was successful.

The Wiki doesn’t seem to make that clear.

People who received the fruit should claim to confirm that Yellow is telling the truth. I imagine a Mafia fruit Vendor is possible, so it doesn’t clear Yellow.l, but at least he wouldn’t be lying.

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Post Post #895  (isolation #64)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:46 pm

Echo did you get fruit last night?

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Post Post #897  (isolation #65)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:00 pm

Well then one of you is scum. I will wait for the mod to clarify about the successful action thing first though.

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Post Post #899  (isolation #66)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:17 pm

Well then. You had better explain this real quick yellow.

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Post Post #900  (isolation #67)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:18 pm

In post 869, YellowSnow wrote:And I've been successfull in my night action all 3 nights.

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Post Post #902  (isolation #68)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:22 pm

How did you know whether your actions were successful?

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Post Post #905  (isolation #69)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:50 pm

In post 898, Purrcocet wrote:
In post 872, rosterfoster wrote:
@Mod: Would a fruit vendor be told if their action was successful.



the normal standard is that fruit vendor does not get notified of success/failure



So clearly there’s something more to your role, or you were lying about that to ensure that you could properly 1V1 echo.

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Post Post #908  (isolation #70)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:01 pm

In post 906, YellowSnow wrote:Maybe there is something to my role I am not aware of, but I was pm'd.


If it just says you are a fruit vendor and nothing else, then that’s what you ‘are’. The mod can’t lie in normals.


YellowSnow wrote:Why would TTTT and CoA know they received fruit but not echo?


If you got roleblocked, for example. Did the mod send you a pm saying (roughly) that you fruit was given successfully?

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Post Post #910  (isolation #71)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:04 pm

Well that’s not possible if you’re a fruit vendor.

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Post Post #911  (isolation #72)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:23 pm

The silence is deafening.

VOTE: Yellowsnow

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Post Post #913  (isolation #73)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:31 pm

Well what you just tols me was not possible. You are lying about something, but town doesn’t do that at Lylo.

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Post Post #918  (isolation #74)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:52 pm

UNVOTE:

I know its so bizarre, but like maybe they saw mod confirm received actions in scumthread and thought that meant it was successful. I cannot think of another explanation (I do think yellow is a fruit vendor).

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Post Post #924  (isolation #75)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:43 am

He’s claiming that mod confirmed that actions were successful. Maybe mod confirmed that they received actions in the scumthread (but not their success) and he misinterpreted that. I cannot think of any other explanation.

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Post Post #993  (isolation #76)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:21 am

Well that went spectacularly wrong. I'm just as culpable as everyone obviously, I was trying to sort Vedith from that wagon, but then it quickhammered. Should have just kept pushing yellow. I think I also got caught up too much in trying not to be nightkilled because of my role. (vengeful in 3p lyllo would have been useful. Oh well). But then I hard town-read Tarkus so y'know, probably wasn't going to happen anyway.


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