Open 746: Bus Service [Game Over]

[Alonzo]

Hey all.

Catching up tonight, thoughts soon.

[Alonzo]

so... 24 hours left...

who we lynching?

[Alonzo]

6 days left, Alonzo.

Same difference!

Ok, thats some good news, did think we were a bit light at a glance for a full days play.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Lovebird

[Alonzo]

I don't know you

[Alonzo]

AYY

Hey Clemency, just realised this is our first game that both of us are alive at the same time...

[Alonzo]

Hows the bubba ROS?

[Alonzo]

Alonzo you caught up?

Just had time to complete a second read through, hopefully will get the isos looked at soon.

Early gut read was that Lovebird and Flubber seemed most scummy. Still feel good about those reads.

Iv got yourself, rb and TTTT as my strongest town leans so far.

When I get time to iso hopefully will learn a bit more about the middle pack.

[Alonzo]

[quote="In will learn a bit more about the middle pack.[/quote]
Why do you scumread flubber[/quote]

Just sensed a little bit of opportunism in his posts so far.

Some of it depends on how my bujaber read falls I guess, he seems a little more cocksure than I'm used to.

[Alonzo]

I am dealing with eye strain issues

[Alonzo]

Why is Lovebird town?

Im just not seeing it.

[Alonzo]

Kidding me?? Im giving you great stuff here...

[Alonzo]

Busy busy weekend, effort today.

[Alonzo]

Actually... I said you were opportunistic...

[Alonzo]

Ok, im online tonight. was there a compendium of questions for Alonzo?

Not alot has changed for me in the last few pages at a glance..

[Alonzo]

VOTE: ROS

[Alonzo]

going for a no lynch TTTT?

[Alonzo]

Vote Flubber??

[Alonzo]

Just checked, 15 hours left.

I'd like ROS pushed for a claim soonish rather than left till last minute, there seems to be a majority in favour.

[Alonzo]

Re Clem- Maybe...

Hes a null for me, but I do enjoy his style and don't rate his chances of getting much past me if he is scum. (no offence Clem.)

[Alonzo]

It's like everyone on the ROS wagon thinks he's probably town.

ROS is a good guy, but despite early promise, his Iso gets kinda morbid at the end.

He needs pressure to light a fire under his ass if nothing else.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Alonzo this is where I want my vote placed

Not a fan of the ROS lynch?

[Alonzo]

I feel dumb, I thought RoS would return before end of day, and we could all relocate to flubber.

How long between clems vote and the d1 clock running out?

Was it done to prevent a no lynch?

[Alonzo]

I could probably lynch half of the players in this game with no regrets

*

Lets hope you're town then.

Who did you vote D1?

[Alonzo]

hmm Flubber..

I cant really argue with that just now.

[Alonzo]

Lay it on thick.

Daddies Hungry.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: flubber

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Lovebird

Alonzo

This was shortly after lovebird made the first RoS vote. Can you elaborate on what was going on here?

FMPOV at that time RoS was playing a pretty towny game. When I read the game through some of Lovebirds reads seemed very thin and they seemed to be in the ascendancy so I voted as a reaction test, and to try to bring RoS out of his shell. It was a decision made in the moment.
RL got in the way hard between my entry and EoD when I finally caught up again, only to find RoS wagon strong, and RoS shaky then AWOL.

No one seemed to share my feelings about Lovebird, but I do think my vote rocked them a bit.

[Alonzo]

mcqueen, what's your case on Alonzo?

meta from a Newbie game we played together

What's the meta? It must be a pretty strong read.

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77801

This was the game, but the similarities are hard to imagine just now.

2sw townread me here so I get the uberlyparanoid reaction...

[Alonzo]

I can only apologise for my lack of engagement here, I'm outta data on my phone, so limited to a couple of hours play before bed each evening.

Flubber is still my preferred lynch for the day.

Like this stream of concience stuff from FB.

Still not TRing Lovebird.

Mcqueen hit and run with his vote on me..

Flubber voted me then started talking to me like I was is top townread..

Gonna dive Akarin when I get a chance.

[Alonzo]

Shit now I want to lynch eyes but we can't afford to do my plan after that if he flips town.

But like if eyes flips town his behavior is reportable/bannable surely. How can that not be playing against your win condition? It's only fine if it's scum trying to wifom us into not lynching them.


Also can the people who haven't agreed to my plan state their agreement and choose which of clem/flubber they prefer first?

Are you basing the clem case off of RVS?

[Alonzo]

I have clem down as null rn, same as eyes.

Not seen anything from flubber to change my initial impression they are scummy.

[Alonzo]

You had me at 'Lovebird is town'

[Alonzo]

I'm sure I asked this yesterday, but what is the read on Clem?

[Alonzo]

So is Clem a meta read or what?

I'm struggling to sort here...

[Alonzo]

How is it derp to try and get another perspective on a renowned shit poster?

@buj.

[Alonzo]

Like I just read 740 to try and refresh my memory on clemency but then I realised I'm not gonna tell u anythi g u don't already know about clem... So fill me in..

I don't understand your resistance not to.

[Alonzo]

*to not (share the knowledge)

[Alonzo]

Why didn't you finish your catchup? @creature

Mcqueen TR getting thinner and thinner, continuing to shade me without reason or interaction.

Still like FB for town.

[Alonzo]

Stuck trying to decipher the interactions between Akarin, Buj, eyes and FB.

[Alonzo]

Where have you gone? @Lovebird

[Alonzo]

Around 72 hours left by my count

[Alonzo]

My only half associative read is Buj vs eyes, really feels like there's a scum in these two.

How do you read th these two today?

[Alonzo]

giving my vote up to the next poster

Vote mcqueen and say Alonzo sent me

[Alonzo]

Spoiler:

why would scum rush to not have a nolynch

by the logic that they're trying to camoflauge why would they not just split votes among different wagons and flake about (like half the game did)

all i can see is that your read hasn't actually changed since rvs, and anyone who disagrees with you is also likely scum. that's...ridiculous, and it's hard to take your reads seriously when you put me as scum and call that the team when i'm town, and you're scumreading one of my townreads as well

i've got a killer headache so i'm gonna lie down

Why would scum want to flake out and no lynch when the leading wagon is on town. They can get it hammered without looking any different from the townies that are avoiding the no lynch.

As for you I think we've played once before and I don't really remember your game. You are well-known and have been around for a little bit and should be czpable of giving reasons and talking us through your reads instead of blanket "x is town", "y is scum", "oh no my townreads are voting a townread".

What's worse is you townread clemency who's ISO is less useful than a bottle of water. Unlike RoS who was not playing at all, clemency was here and posting but posting 0 content.

You also aren't reading the game properly. I am not scumreading everyone that disagrees with me. Lovebird disagreed with me day 1. Akarin has been tunnelling me and I've been townreading her based on the exchange with eyes.

Even the bus joke. You csn ignore it and I still have a solid case on clemency, but I think the joke is a valid reason to scumread him. I know that joke claims are NAI in a vacuum (note that it's because town also do it not because it isn't a scummy action), but this game is open, and two people have made the same joke and I believe two people of the same alignment just don't make the same joke. Townies joke for fun and it's boring to repeat jokes. Scum joke to appear relaxed and like they don't know how to begin. Clem copied flubber. If you have a previous game where this has happened and two townies have made the same joke in rvs then I won't mention this again, I'll just lynch clemency for the lack of content and being a counterwagon to flipped town.

My ISO is full of posts talking about Clemency.

He posts but doesn't participate in discussion. When I jumped on him people defended. Throughout the game his posting isn't improving but people are still defending him just as strongly. At some point you have to see that not posting content is scum-indicative.

I would seriously not ironically prefer to play with NM than cleme if this is how clem always plays. At least with NM you can get an idea what he's thinking and you can analyze his voting patterns.

There's some weird conviction from a lot of players that he's town and it just makes no sense. Why is he town?
Why is clem not concerned by all the townreads he's getting despite not doing anything townie? Wouldn't you get suspicious in his position?

Dammit man!

I'm not defending Clem, his play here is visible to all, I compare to 740, as he was run up to L1 and he was town sure his play was more assured once confirmed, but prior he was his usual shit posting self.

Several players have less than desirable isos, but I don't yet see clem out here making moves, his vote looks pretty transparent to me.
The crux of the issue for me is that I have other slots I think are equally vote worthy that have given just as little to the cause. I feel like eyes is hiding in your wake here thinking an early sheep on Clem is enough to bury him for today.

Your point about not maf isn't a fair one... That's just clear baiting of the indefensible! Clem has tells. Nm has tells. I have gator rolled Nm for three straight days previously and honestly people just got bored of it and started voting me... Finally flipped him and he was town.

So while I don't condemn your actions entirely, comparisons like that makes the push look reachier than it need be, and prejudicing those considering their options is a waste of time as well, as scum can just as easily sidestep discussion or bus willingly and be less vulnerable than those who sought the facts.

I get your pov, and I get the pov of your doubters.

[Alonzo]

Many good points that I will address after work.

[Alonzo]

TRIGGER WARNING

VOTE: WILKY

[Alonzo]

Re - creature

I find nearly all of his posts as snake so far. I had a townread on the pred for some good early posts but those days are distant. Just one of a few dubious slots.

Outside of FB and possibly you I'm a bundle of nullscum reads.
Creatures start is very erratic, I had a Tr on the pred for content in the early game on my initial read throughs tho.
I'm unsure of Akarin overall, and IIRC they have pushed one wagon all day. I think they have avoided me mostly and I them.
@ buj

[Alonzo]

Mcqueen bothers me in the sense he hit and run scum smeared me when I joined then went afk. Using Vla and prod dodges to get by looks like.

[Alonzo]

Iv got so much metabias here tho..

That's to say iv given creature mcqueen and clem a lot of slack here being busy real life not being able to guage as many players responses in real time.

[Alonzo]

So yeah, my line in the sand is Buj is prob town.

Creature, clem, Mcqueen, eyes, wilky would be a fair pool.
I'm tending away from clem and mcqueen a while longer on meta.

Creature knows me and went there, but all his reads seem empty whereas I know he's definitely got the ability to sort as town, he's definitely sunk that slot since he joined.

[Alonzo]

Looking at deadline I might not be available, but il certainly be on a bit tomorrow into the evening gmt, then deadline is early morning.

[Alonzo]

Yep, which is why I think you should vote elsewhere today Ak

[Alonzo]

Hi RC!

Dafuq are you doing here?!

[Alonzo]

Yeah. That's 1/7 my bad.

Agree with you on creature but not wilky.

[Alonzo]

In a game of mad wagonomics I was thinking clem was one of the less difficult reads here...

Am hesitant to vote..

Or should that be was hesitant to vote?? =p

[Alonzo]

Well my tldr last night was

Clem/creature/wilky/mcqueen/eyes likely contains all three scum, of which I was giving benefit of the doubt to clem and mcqueen based off meta, had hoped some others would agree, but as you can see from Ak and buj's post since, I dont think others concur, and a lot of prod surfers aren't really offering so it's been tough

[Alonzo]

I'm comparing Buj on Clem here akin to me vs not maf from six months ago.. Irrelevant really as I don't know who knows not maf in the playerlist to even understand the comparison

[Alonzo]

You remember that one haha!

[Alonzo]

I never had good feelings about eyes following Buj onto Clem.
FB has been my top townread for the past fortnight and wants Buj as well as Ak which is compelling in itself.
Lovebird pinged me in the early game, handing out town reads for the thinnest of reasons. Then a long silence and eventual drop, wilky has offered a little but nothing in depth and their push on me echoes mcqueen, but without the meta to back it up.
And yeah as you spotted creatures entry was awful. His catchup never went anywhere stating he wanted real-time reads, the voted the afk mcqueen..

[Alonzo]

Show me

[Alonzo]

Any previous with eyes?

[Alonzo]

In a game of mad wagonomics

VOTE: Alonzo

Policy

Smooth.
VOTE: creature

[Alonzo]

Anyone lynches before Buj speaks gets rope tomorrow

[Alonzo]

And if he's scum?

[Alonzo]

I'm the goat son.

But seriously... Why are you holding onto this animosity when we haven't played for six months?

[Alonzo]

Does Akarin have any alts?

[Alonzo]

Yeah...

I spent forever deciding Buj was town... And now basically that entire effort is wasted so cheers for that.

GL bus driver, you are our only hope.

GG scum.

[Alonzo]

Lovebird was scum all day long.

No amount of linked games can redeem a day one that blatant.
Wilky might have been doing enough to fool me right up til his heel turn.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: wilky

All day long.

[Alonzo]

Number one day one fisherman.

[Alonzo]

Maybe you can point out their partners genius but I doubt you will

[Alonzo]

Don't fall for his mind games FB.

RC has no sincere read on the lovebird slot.

Voting me is his way of outing...

UNVOTE:

[Alonzo]

I'm considering the size of feat, vs ten percent battery and no charger till 2moro.

[Alonzo]

Basically it's two am and iv no will or desire to have a battle of will with RC just now

[Alonzo]

But you are wrong on Lovebird I'm certain.

[Alonzo]

Hi
Have you managed to get caught up DT?

[Alonzo]

This doesn't seem like any town game iv played with mcqueen. He's been lurky and defensive since I joined. Given nothing.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Mcqueen

What do you say now?

[Alonzo]

Well played town.

[Alonzo]

So Ak was a bus driver?

3/3?

[Alonzo]

It's over, and I meant all the nasty things I said in the scum chat!

[Alonzo]

Out of ten tho... How Tempting to get me lynched??

[Alonzo]

Are you an alt FB?

Have we played before?

[Alonzo]

Ah OK, I thought you knew me from waaay back. Might have been the Eddie cane signature