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Post Post #23 (isolation #0) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:42 am

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In post 11, joges wrote:
In post 9, 0verki11 wrote:im hated btw
I am also.
Me three.
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Post Post #24 (isolation #1) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:49 am

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In post 13, Allomancer wrote:Ok then. Lynchers don't help town, so VOTE: tris
Like neither does lynching non-SK third parties, so.

VOTE: Allomancer
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Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:14 am

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I don't actually see a reason to not claim the survivor bit also.
I can win with most folks, so I'm prolly just gonna hang.
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Post Post #27 (isolation #3) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:59 am

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yeah
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Post Post #48 (isolation #4) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:45 am

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VOTE: Overkill
Why not?

Would one of Over/Jorges like to claim cult leader? Cause I can win with cult, but not with SK.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #5) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:48 am

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In post 108, Allomancer wrote:0 deaths probably means no serial killer since there can only be one doctor.
jorges was a serial killer. There's not gonna be two.
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Post Post #144 (isolation #6) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:20 am

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VOTE: Chateau

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This is not L-1 apparently.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #7) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:27 am

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In post 159, tris wrote:
Wait, if Chateau is jester why hasn't he self hammered.


Oh, there can be loved jester.
Easy test does come to mind here.
Do as thou wilt tho.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #8) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:19 am

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Oh, come on now.

I'm voting for super-obvs mafioso rn, ie I'm co-operating with town.
Loved Jester does not claim loved, unless he wants to get nightkilled as suspected cultist.
Unloved Jester would have self-hammered.
Loved town does not co-exist with 1-shot doc.
Loved cultist also would not have claimed.

ergo, not loved, ergo lying, ergo mafia.
Didn't think I'd need to spell it out for yall, but here ya go.

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Now let's say I'm wrong about all of the above and he actually is a Jester.
What are his mylo incentives like? If he lynches town, he loses, if he lynches scum he's making it less likely that he'd be lynched the next day.
0 motivation to vote anyone but himself (and that loved he claims is not operative in mylo).
At least my potential-mylo incentives are lynch-neutral (i.e. I'm not gonna increase the risk losing if I let a lynch go thru. tbh, if Dong asks I'd let a lynch thru, cause 176 was funny)
lynching a survivor is not in any way better than lynching a jester.
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Post Post #209 (isolation #9) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:05 am

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wow.
okay then.
VOTE: mcqueen

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... tard%2B%2B

relevant bists:
TT = Inspector + 1-Shot Doctor + Hated Towny <-- only line w 1-shot doc. note absense of loved town.

all possible ways to be loved unless Maestro randomly added some, which seems super unlikely:
CCCC =
Loved Cult-Leader

CCCCC =
Loved Cult Leader
+ Cultist
J =
Loved Jester

TTT = Inspector +
Loved Towny

T = Inspector + Doctor +
Loved Towny

0 T's = Inspector + Doctor + 1-Shot Vigilante + Hated Towny +
Loved Towny
@ tris: Number of parties is down to random chance. This is a bastard game, there is no quarantee of it being balanced at all.

@allo & over: It's guaranteed mylo tomorrow if ya lynch me. Lynching a 3rd party is like not lynching at all. Sure, ya not risking losing a townie, ya also not getting a chance to lynch mafia.

pedit: ya. rolling that many 'C's seems kinda unlikely. Kinda mind-bogglingly bad jester-play to claim it tho.
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Post Post #253 (isolation #10) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:34 pm

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I think Dong is actually 1-shot and not full-doc, because he targeted Overkiill.
1-shot doc would have known there was a hated town in the setup. Full doc would not have known if Over was town or cult at the time. I doubt he would have used a protect on a possible cultist.

Lynching Chat is not the worst idea. He's gonna self-vote as Jester if taken to lylo and win with mafia. As cult he's just gonna win if he's still alive tomorrow.
It's not necessarily the best idea either. He might be nightkilled if he's not lynched. It depends on if the mafia think Jester or Cultist is more likely. (Jester is more likely by raw odds, but that does not take his play into account)

Maybe Jester-test him and see if he self-hammers at 5 votes, then leave him alive if he's cult and let him be nightkilled? <-- He'd use the night to turn someone if he's cult, and no chance of hitting a mafioso if he's Jester is the cost here.

I'd still probs lean on trying to lynch actual mafia as town, but if ya wanna lynch him I'm not gonna fight it.
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Post Post #265 (isolation #11) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:25 am

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Ok then.
VOTE: Chateau

This is L-1
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Post Post #267 (isolation #12) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:30 am

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well, that was fast :P
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Post Post #269 (isolation #13) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:35 am

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I almost never get to hammer.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #14) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:26 pm

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I don't think Lynchee is supposed to flip as such.
Does Lyncher now have an impossible wincon?
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Post Post #279 (isolation #15) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:29 pm

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In post 0, Maestro wrote:All vote-related actions/modifiers (e.g. Hated, Loved, Multi-Voter, etc.) cease working in MYLO/LYLO.
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Post Post #289 (isolation #16) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:21 am

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In post 284, tris wrote:I'm not really sure what to do here.
Let's make things easy then.

Lynching anything that isn't mafia is a lose for town
no lynching is also a lose for town, because I'm gonna side with mafia tomorrow, if this goes to no-lynch.
Lynching is definitely what town should be doing about now.

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This pool contains: lyncher, 2 maf, inspector.
The choices can be narrowed to 3(2/3) or 2(1/2) if the inspector claims. (3 if there is no counterclaim, 2 if there is one)
The lyncher might also claim/might also be counterclaimed. I have zero idea what incentives would be at play there.

@Over Ya really do want to deal with neutral 3rd parties, because our goodwill is the only thing that makes it even theoretically possible that ya might lynch mafia ever. I kinda liked Dong and I think tris might be town and she puts in some effort, is the only reason I'm even saying this, and not simply letting this day go to no-lynch.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #17) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:52 pm

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In post 292, tris wrote:Are you sure you're a survivor?
Yeah.
Being a survivor doesn't mean I can't help lynch scum if I feel like it.
If this does end up fully solved today, I will have to randomize who I'll play for during first 48h of tomorrow tho, to avoid getting nightkilled out of spite :P
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Post Post #296 (isolation #18) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:52 am

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like, ehh
VOTE: No Lynch
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Post Post #299 (isolation #19) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:05 am

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yay \o/
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Post Post #301 (isolation #20) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:00 am

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Not quite, but it's just going thru the motions after this.
I'm asking for a fast night.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #21) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:28 pm

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Nice :D

I thought there was still gonna be a day left, so a bit weird, but this is how it was inevitably gonna go.

I was afraid tris would think I was cult and nightkill me at last minute. Glad that didn't happen.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #22) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:16 pm

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It's not the decision I would have made, but I think it works fine, especially as this was a bastard game.
Maybe make a note about the possibility in the ruleset if ya run this again "game may be called when the winners are known"
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