Prey Mafia - Game Over

[BrightEyedFish]

Here we go.

VOTE: redtea

I like my tea black.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Fish
hello everyone! i have great news. i'm ascetic and hated.

Are you talking about this game or irl?

[BrightEyedFish]

hi again

Hola

[BrightEyedFish]

Go ahead Enter. Explain please.

[BrightEyedFish]

General lack of effort. And gut reasons that I don't fully have words for yet. Want to join me?

Lack of effort?

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm just giddy to see how you explain this.

[BrightEyedFish]

Are we scum buddies bussing each other or something. I'm lost.

[BrightEyedFish]

General lack of effort. And gut reasons that I don't fully have words for yet. Want to join me?

no because the game just started. what effort are you expecting from him this far?

People have applied effort by joining the discussion and changing votes. He has done none of that.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Enter

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Enter

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Enter

Does this count?

[BrightEyedFish]

A50 hasn't claimed yet, so he's probably 3P.

A50 hasn't claimed but he has most likely crumbed his role in such a way that none of our feeble minds can see it right now.

[BrightEyedFish]

Alright question:

If moderator came down and said we had to Lynch someone right now, is there anyone who would be a opposed to lynching me?

Eh, I'd probably be against it given how easy your wagon got run up.

I'm not opposed.

[BrightEyedFish]

General lack of effort. And gut reasons that I don't fully have words for yet. Want to join me?

It's a secret. I'll tell you later.

Testes read is something I can't explain at the moment. Sorry.

Is it just your style to vaguely hint at something with the promise of more info later?

Why tease us and not give us your full scoop if you really have info?

[BrightEyedFish]

inb4 he repeats “whats in the hood, stays in the hood”

I'm in that hood and I still don't know what he is hinting at

[BrightEyedFish]

this early i find it good practice to attack most things that i see. but you're basically close to what i was thinking. it's too demonstrative of confidence and it looks like he's trying to project towniness without it feeling real. could be personality, could be scummy, but it's enough for me to press.
you do make a good point about it looking worse in ISO, but even in context it looks like baiting that lacks either a desire to understand Enter's position or to scumread it; it simply discredits it.

if this helps to add context, at the same time as these post, enter and I were in a somewhat RT discussion in our Neighborhood PT, all of a sudden he jumps to the game thread and votes me and then I follow up his vote with post 48.

[BrightEyedFish]

Are we allowed to quote neighborhood?

You are not allowed to quote from any PTs.

Aye.

BEF have you played scum before?

How comfortable do you feel playing scum?

go meta me if you want

[BrightEyedFish]

ok, here is my synapsis

Player X: Which of you is scum?

Me: Why must one of us be scum.

Enter: Hey, I found scum
(Proceeds to vote me in Game Thread)

Me: You really SR for that?

Enter: No, I will tunnel you for reactions.

Enter: Yay, chara agrees with me, I can die happy.

Remember this is a paraphrase.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also,
I wrote player X because I don't know if that player outed themselves about being the the neighborhood yet.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF
I want to know if you feel comfortable playing scum.

I don't get unconformable but scum is not my favorite role to play.

[BrightEyedFish]

Hi my entire neighborhood has not had power at all today and i dont know when i'm getting it back; vla until i get power back

I was about to say "What neighborhood" but then I realized this is not a comment on the neighborhood in this game.

[BrightEyedFish]

this is a prod dodge, sorry.
VOTE: Robert

Why did you choose Robert over minh to vote for a prod dodge?

[BrightEyedFish]

my post was a prod dodge, prod dodging wasn't the reason for my vote.

Well, he/she asked for your reasoning.

+1

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't like "why must one of be scum," however, because it's likely there's a scum in a 4 (or 5?; I forgot how many are in it) person neighborhood.

At the time I posted that question we were only aware of 3 people in the neighborhood.

[BrightEyedFish]

We need to consolidate wagons, homies.

Move your vote to someone and start helping with consolidation. What are you waiting for?

[BrightEyedFish]

This game is confusing.

Unvote

What is so confusing?

[BrightEyedFish]

Lol BEF
I am voteless
D for reading comprehension

Derp.

[BrightEyedFish]

So I take you haven't read the thread, BEF?
What could I do to convince you to read it and give reads?
Would you do it for a BEFFY snack?
How'about TWO BEFFY snacks?

I've been keeping up with the thread and as soon as you restated that you are voteless I remembered it. I just didn't think on that before I posted that comment towards you.

[BrightEyedFish]

Lol BEF
I am voteless
D for reading comprehension

So I take you haven't read the thread, BEF?
What could I do to convince you to read it and give reads?
Would you do it for a BEFFY snack?
How'about TWO BEFFY snacks?

If you catch up, I can hook you up with twelve fascinating issues of Zoobooks, including the elephants issue as a gift plus a colorful collection of animal stickers and the tiger poster.

That's right.

Catch up now and send learning and fun to a child you love.

We need to consolidate wagons, homies.

Move your vote to someone and start helping with consolidation. What are you waiting for?

Aw I wanted to say this

Your saying this while not voting anyone isnt a good look, cool cat. Can you give me some reads to chew on at least, wheres your head at?

@Varsoon

Why give me all that shade and completely ignore Elbrin on the same issue?

I mean, you went really out of your way to shit on me and Elbrin's comments don't register???

[BrightEyedFish]

@mcqueen: I'm gonna say something stupid and likely to hit you as scummy, but I will say it anyway: I don't want to lynch BEF regardless of his alignment. I've seen him lynched early often enough as either alignment I'd actually want him to be alive a bit longer in this game (as long as he doesn't fake claim or fake guilty anyone)

Don't tempt me. I'm "trying" to put those things behind me but something keeps motivating me. I promise I will try not to do it this game. Promise.

[BrightEyedFish]

According to my own personal stats elbrin is scum for being the 3rd person on the redtea wagon and I TR redtea, so...

VOTE: Elbrin

[BrightEyedFish]

And a Varsoon/elbrin team makes sense to me.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, why didn’t you react to my vote on you earlier?

What was there to react to?

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, why didn’t you react to my vote on you earlier?

What was there to react to?

A somewhat blind vote?

Ok. I'll bite.

Why the blind vote?

[BrightEyedFish]

My initial reaction was genuine in the fact that I felt your blind vote didn't warrant a reaction and that apparently wasn't enough for you.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah because you’re scum and I thought you’d try to fake something.

And do you think I faked something?

[BrightEyedFish]

According to my own personal stats elbrin is scum for being the 3rd person on the redtea wagon and I TR redtea, so...

VOTE: Elbrin

have you ever caught scum with this tell?

Indeed I have albeit it's not 100% reliable.

[BrightEyedFish]

Is it impossible for scum to be voteless?

[BrightEyedFish]

no?
why would it be impossible for scum to be voteless?

It was more of a rhetorical question. Of course scum can be voteless so Varsoon being voteless is NAI at best.

[BrightEyedFish]

Skitter, when motherfuckers are clearly rolefishing, it's not 'threatening a scumread' it's me being like, "There is no town reason to know this info. Stop."
If I need to be that blunt about it, then there you go.

You announced that you were voteless unprovoked and that brings questions and suspicions from town and scum. If you chose not to announce we would have probably picked up on you being voteless from the VCs.

So Your reaction to people questioning your claim comes across as unneeded AtE. At least that's the issue I'm having.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah because you’re scum and I thought you’d try to fake something.

And do you think I faked something?

Yes.

What do you think I faked?

[BrightEyedFish]

Skitter, when motherfuckers are clearly rolefishing, it's not 'threatening a scumread' it's me being like, "There is no town reason to know this info. Stop."
If I need to be that blunt about it, then there you go.

You announced that you were voteless unprovoked and that brings questions and suspicions from town and scum. If you chose not to announce we would have probably picked up on you being voteless from the VCs.

So Your reaction to people questioning your claim comes across as unneeded AtE. At least that's the issue I'm having.

The VCs had to be fixed though. I mean, sucky situation for him if he were to not try to out that he’s votelesss. Also sucks that part of his role was basically confirmed, too, but mistakes happen

He could have just said voteless, the fact he is soft claiming some PR is just as strange.
I don't see this coming from town, more like coming from a scum looking for town cred.

[BrightEyedFish]

What has he done in the way of confronting others? He was very submissive to Enter’s early push, he acted the same towards me. He said he feels more comfortable/likes playing town better (can I interchange this with “confident?”), and he doesn’t seem very clmfortable/confident in this game.

I wasn't worried about Enter’s push because I didn't feel he truly SR me at that time.

I don't have any fully confident reads right now. I SRing El and Var right now but those reads are mainly gut reads and that's where my head is at right now.

I also don't have any lock TRs.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why not be proactive and address people yourself? Instead of waiting for someone to address you

I am addressing Elbirn and Varsoon. Or at least I'm putting my thoughts on them out there. I'm assuming regardless of their alignment they are against what I am saying but that doesn't mean others can't react/comment on my reads.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF Varsoon/Elbirn is too obvious. Do they like to play with fire? Do you think they've slipped already?

I think the exchange between Varsoon and Elbirn were superficial and playful with the hint of an inside joke. Also comparing that with Minh's comments and his interaction with Varsoon, I sense a connection there.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think you're hard-bitter given the earlier push I had on you and that I accused you of not reading. Get over it.

You're push on me did cause me to look deeper and be more analytical about your posts but this is what I found on my search.

You might say I'm bitter but I'd say it made me more Motivated.

[BrightEyedFish]

Right now it's just gut reads and speculation.

The trouble I'm having is giving someone a solid TR. I've Re read the game and practically everyone gives me reason to pause. I'm still in the process of sifting through the ISOs and weighing my opinions.

I'm not voting you rn because I SR Elbirn more. If I see his flip it will help me make connections

[BrightEyedFish]

What makes you scumread Elbirn so hard?

And, really, a hesitation to townread any slot--can you go more into that? Even players like Zito and A50?

I want to think players like that could be Town but then WIFOM comes into play and I hesitate. My reads smoothen out as the days progress but right now I can't rule anyone out as Town or Scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

Once again--can you go a bit more into why Elbirn is your top scumread?

So...what about 409 don't you agree with?

If I had to pick a top TR right now, that would be redtea. It's not a solid read but the closest I have. So I was weary of redtea's wagon. And since he wrote this in 409:

6. Redtea is scum. She uses many words to say nothing and is eerily fixated on catching 3P which is the oldest scumtell in the book.

VOTE: RedTea

I used one of my oldest scum tells in the book to use my version of his method, jumping on a wagon as the 3rd vote. And his reasoning behind his vote is just as unsubstantiated and to me feels forced but just vague enough to justify him jumping on that wagon.

[BrightEyedFish]

Wait, scum only ever jumps on wagons as a third vote?
This is news to me.

What about being "eerily fixated on catching 3P which is the oldest scumtell in the book"

[BrightEyedFish]

Alright I don't think I understand your last paragraph in post 533 then
Players having an unwarranted fixation for 3P on D1 does tilt info knowledge that's not readily available for town, so I can at least understand why Elbirn would scumread/want to pressure that.

I got the sense that there might be more than 2 factions by reading my Role PM maybe redtea got the same vibe. Perhaps if elbirn had a town role pm he might understand that.

[BrightEyedFish]

Right now it's just gut reads and speculation.

The trouble I'm having is giving someone a solid TR. I've Re read the game and practically everyone gives me reason to pause. I'm still in the process of sifting through the ISOs and weighing my opinions.

I'm not voting you rn because I SR Elbirn more. If I see his flip it will help me make connections

redtea why are you still voting a50?

i'm kinda befuddled at the state of the wagons rn tbh; this game feels a bit like it's stagnating and i don't know why

There is room on Elbirns wagon

[BrightEyedFish]

Didn't mean to quote 526 above

[BrightEyedFish]

@BrightEyedFish

According to my own personal stats elbrin is scum for being the 3rd person on the redtea wagon and I TR redtea, so...

VOTE: Elbrin

Do you have an actual reason for thinking I'm scum or is it just that I'm voting for your townread?

And a Varsoon/elbrin team makes sense to me.

@BEF Varsoon/Elbirn is too obvious. Do they like to play with fire? Do you think they've slipped already?

I think the exchange between Varsoon and Elbirn were superficial and playful with the hint of an inside joke. Also comparing that with Minh's comments and his interaction with Varsoon, I sense a connection there.

Varsoon and I have played together several times, and there was a stretch of time a few years ago where I was practically guaranteed to sign up for all of his games. We also both have really nice shades.

Like I wish we were scum here because I've been waiting for that day to arrive, but unfortunately you're detecting chumminess, and not partner tells.

What makes you scumread Elbirn so hard?

And, really, a hesitation to townread any slot--can you go more into that? Even players like Zito and A50?

I want to think players like that could be Town but then WIFOM comes into play and I hesitate. My reads smoothen out as the days progress but right now I can't rule anyone out as Town or Scum.

I don't really know what to make of this alignment wise. Chalking *anything* up to WIFOM is my trigger, it baffles and upsets me to see people cover their ears and go "lalalala nothing is certain" and throw logic out the window. WIFOM isn't even an accurate buzzword to use here, just....literally play the game. Which you're not doing if you don't commit to stances.

I'm not asking you to have a set in stone read on anyone at this stage, but you have to think something about the gamestate. Who would you absolutely not lynch today?

Actually I just realized, you won't townread anyone, but redtea is a townread and that is why you're voting me?

Redtea is the townies vibe I have so far. But I'm still ironing out my reads. In the past I've let conf bias and tunnelling get the best of me and I've hit town too many times because of that. Maybe that's why I'm hesitant to conf anyone as town or scum 100%

[BrightEyedFish]

Can all 5 of you sitting on a vanity wagon, like, not be?

UNVOTE:

I still don't like redtea being lynched. But I'll ISO red and Robert and see if one of them pings me for a lynch today.

[BrightEyedFish]

I went through both Red and Roberts ISO's and I really did not find anything really scummy from either until...

what stuck me is that Red voted Persivul with a "More pending" comment. It's kinda late in the day to not give us the full scoop if you are proposing an entirely new wagon for us. The genius in me wants to fully commit to a Red-Robert scum team for this move. Both are the leading wagons and they are not voting for each other...

I'm flipping the skip, my once almost best TR has become my top SR.

VOTE: redtea

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: BEF

Why me and not redtea or enter, I thought you wanted one of them lynched today?

[BrightEyedFish]

I didn't mean to quote that. :/

Hi. I have a question for you in 682. Please respond.

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VOTE: BEF

Why me and not redtea or enter, I thought you wanted one of them lynched today?

Hi. I have a question for you in 673. Please respond.

In addition, walk me through your redtea vote. Your argument seems to be:

1. redtea sees she is the leading wagon
2. redtea sees a counterwagon on Robert
3. redtea sees that deadline is very close
4. redtea sees several players off wagon claiming they will hammer at deadline
5. Therefore, redtea comes up with the perfect plan of starting a

new

wagon, and then promptly fails to push it, ensuring it will fail.
6. After noting that she thought the wagon wasn't actually new, she leaves her vote there anyway.

And these are the moves of a scum player seeking a townie mislynch/her own survival. Is that correct?

Basically, yeah.

[BrightEyedFish]

Basically, yeah.

Woops, looks like the insanity merry-go-round was next door.

Uh

Can you uh

walk me through this then

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I like persivul's 669, 671, 672, and 715. Partially because I agree with him, partially because he's making decent points, and partially because I'm townreading redtea and his thought process follows.

Ok, so it's his Robert push itself.

... I went back and reviewed your isos to get context and I think I understand what happened here ty.

Why should I walk you through Enter's post? He can do it himself.

[BrightEyedFish]

Bad Lynch > No Lynch > Very Bad Lynch.

Redtea is a Very Bad Lynch. Allow me to say what I know if you put her at L-1.

Anyone down for an Enter lynch? This is not the 1st or 2nd time he has promised info at a later point only to fail to deliver. Now he is stating he has info that would stop a redtea lynch 5 hours from deadline...

It's way too late in the day for vague fake promises enter.

[BrightEyedFish]

Enter, there's really not much time for wink-wink nudge-nudge.

I have information about redtea.

Share your info or shut up about it.

[BrightEyedFish]

Because I know for the doc won't be saving you tonight. Better give us all your info now before you will probably be NK'd after practically claiming a PR.

[BrightEyedFish]

It should be noted that BEF was on in time to vote and did not.

I'm not voting for Robert. If he is lynched and flips scum, then lynch me if you feel the need. But don't try to build a false narrative here that I am lurking or whatever you think it means that I'm not changing my vote.

I am happy with where my vote is now and will not be changing it before the deadline.

[BrightEyedFish]

oh well that was the hammer anyways.

[BrightEyedFish]

Scum is in our neighborhood.

[BrightEyedFish]

Me, PZ and Persivul are the only ones left in the hood, which seems to be locked now.

VOTE: Persivul

[BrightEyedFish]

Oh, I forgot context.

Enter claimed lovers with Redtea in our hood PT. That's why I think scum choose one of them for the NK.

[BrightEyedFish]

We had night talk.

[BrightEyedFish]

Me, PZ and Persivul are the only ones left in the hood, which seems to be locked now.

VOTE: Persivul

Is this confirmable? I recall reading enter or someone else stating that the hood did not have a members list in the op. Could others have been listening in?

Thought enter and red tea were hinting at masons when I changed course.. This is much worse

There is no list of the PT participants.
I just pulled the names from all whop have posted in the thread, theoretically there could have been more players with access but just didn't post.

[BrightEyedFish]

And the reason I decided to vote Persivul over PZ was due to Persivul's spot/vote on Robert.

[BrightEyedFish]

And the reason I decided to vote Persivul over PZ was due to Persivul's spot/vote on Robert.

Persivul's felt more compromise-y due to the deadline tbh
Can you check if he voted redtea before or after she claimed?

I see that, but do this real quick.

Do a quick ISO of Persivul and while reading it just assume he is scum. It will make sense.

[BrightEyedFish]

@Percy/BEF/Zito: Did Enter also claim his Commute shot in the PT?

He said he had some means of protecting himself but didn't get specific.

This would be why scum shoots red tea over enter. Enter is a much more probable night kill, he has a few townreads, he's more involved in discussion than red. But he claims a self protective ability so scum has to shoot redtea. I think if there were any doubts about it this should prove scum is in the hood.

@Persivul, Since I haven't gotten an answer from BEF (hes away I suppose) can you confirm time/date enter and redtea claim lovers? I want to see if I can find fishy behavior in main game around this time.

@Varsoon, thanks babe, you do you i suppose but if you're town consider that with 3 dead townies already we might need your vote back in play soooonnn....

We had night talk in the hood and they claimed after the day had ended. That's what leads me to believe scum was in the hood.

[BrightEyedFish]

Me, PZ and Persivul are the only ones left in the hood, which seems to be locked now.

VOTE: Persivul

Oh, I forgot context.

Enter claimed lovers with Redtea in our hood PT. That's why I think scum choose one of them for the NK.

We had night talk.

I didn't even check the hood thread until now, as it had been pretty dead for days.

You forgot a little bit of the "context." You didn't tell people that there were 2 pages of back and forth between you and Enter last night (Zito had a few posts, redtea came in toward the end); Enter only claimed out of frustration with that conversation; and Enter still thought you were scum and said he was going to push you today.

Yeah, enter thought I was scum and was going top push me. He also thought I was scum with his lover redtea if that makes you believe him more.
Yeah, our convo got heated but it was mostly just OMGUS from both sides.

[BrightEyedFish]

I didn't even check the hood thread until now, as it had been pretty dead for days.

Looks like you were lurking, saw the lover claim and then shot redtea because enter also said he had a way of avoiding death.

Also, persivul did not post once in the PT during the night.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

Just to add that the thread was not dea, 4 of the 7 pages of the hood PT were during the night.

[BrightEyedFish]

You forgot a little bit of the "context." You didn't tell people that there were 2 pages of back and forth between you and Enter last night (Zito had a few posts, redtea came in toward the end); Enter only claimed out of frustration with that conversation; and Enter still thought you were scum and said he was going to push you today.

i sort of like the subtle accusation of Fish here, like you're saying he's scum who was hoping that somehow Zito and yourself would just not mention that he was fighting with Enter, and kept it secret on purpose to avoid looking bad.
Enter claiming out of frustration doesn't surprise me. especially if it's frustration with another town player. (really, the number one cause of frustration.)
do you think Fish is scummy for this?

i've considered Zito scum too but since he was arguing for a town lynch over a different town lynch i don't find it especially AI.
and there's the additional context of him knowing redtea was Enter's lover and not wanting her dead.
he's still pretty null to me, in the end.

Enter and I were fighting basically all of D1 too and it just continued into our hood PT after this thread locked up.

[BrightEyedFish]

It should be noted that BEF was on in time to vote and did not.

This was the main reason for our fight.
I was pissed at Enter for saying I was online at a time when I wasn't.

[BrightEyedFish]

i didn't make it that clear in my post, but i think Fish is town and i find Persivul's post a shade attempt on Fish.

Oh sorry. I misinterpreted your post.

[BrightEyedFish]

i sort of like the subtle accusation of Fish here, like you're saying he's scum who was hoping that somehow Zito and yourself would just not mention that he was fighting with Enter, and kept it secret on purpose to avoid looking bad.

Where do you get subtle? I thought that point was pretty blatant. The reason I'm not pushing Fish harder is because he also said in PT that he can conftown himself today after a couple of unnamed people post. I'm giving him time for that. Wouldn't you?

Thanks.

[BrightEyedFish]

i sort of like the subtle accusation of Fish here, like you're saying he's scum who was hoping that somehow Zito and yourself would just not mention that he was fighting with Enter, and kept it secret on purpose to avoid looking bad.

Where do you get subtle? I thought that point was pretty blatant. The reason I'm not pushing Fish harder is because he also said in PT that he can conftown himself today after a couple of unnamed people post. I'm giving him time for that. Wouldn't you?

did Fish claim that publicly? why did you out it? (if not.)[/quot

Yeah, why did you Persivul?

[BrightEyedFish]

What bothers me is that BEF thinks there is scum in the hood but worries about his soft-claim being outted to town outside the hood.
Doesn't make sense.

What I said is that I "have ways to conftown" and I have to "wait on a couple of people to post before I can make my moves"

This was also said during the peak of my argument with Enter who was SRing me and saying he was going to go all out on me today. I am still waiting on more info before I "make my moves" too.

[BrightEyedFish]

Disclaimer:

I May have exaggerated that I would be completely conftown today at least to the entire player list. I wanted to wait and see how the day started and a few of my TRs to post so I could be as sure as I could be with my TR.

Here is where the issue now comes:
I used my day action on my top TR and it was unsuccessful. I was only informed that it was unsuccessful without any reasons. I don't wish to out my target just yet because I would like to know what types of roles/modifiers would make a day action unsuccessful. It wasn't a kill action but for now I don't want to give any other info until I get some inputs from why you all think it might have failed.

This means that I will not be able to be conftown today. I also know that means I will come under fire but I will try to be as helpful as possible with questions regarding my role. I don't wish to hard claim but if everyone feels that I should then I will oblige.

[BrightEyedFish]

why do you want input on why it would have failed? there's a finite list of reasons why. ascetic, you got roleblocked, your target was untargetable. that's the full and complete list with the zero information you've given.

There is nothing in my role pm that suggests why it would fail.
Those are basically the same reasons I came up with on my own. I just don't want to out anyone's role/modifier, that's why I was asking for input.

Would night roleblocks carry over into the day? Or is there a day roleblocking role perhaps?

[BrightEyedFish]

My gut says ascetic makes the most sense. In that case, I probably just got unlucky with my target.

[BrightEyedFish]

OMG

Can we chalk this all up to that I'm just an idiot and move on?

[BrightEyedFish]

If you all can just forget this, forgive me and let me redeem myself tomorrow that would be very gracious.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, what are your reads?

If I had to choose a scum team, right now it would be:
Persivul, Elbirn, and Skitter

I have a few TRs but I am still undecided on most.

[BrightEyedFish]

any other reason would be a condition on your own role, which you should already know.
so i don't understand the point of your question. you aren't a newbie as far as i can tell.

Which reminds me:

@BEF: If you are Loyal/Disloyal you targeted someone scum/town and got reflexively blocked for it.

I don't have any loyal/disloyal modifiers.

[BrightEyedFish]

Bef i think you kinda need to claim now - this whole thing is making the game stall and we dont have that much time left

Most people are wanting a claim and since I derped it up I will claim.

Day Neighborising Motivator

If my action is successful I will gain a PT with my target until the following dawn and I motivate them for the following night.

[BrightEyedFish]

And your target?

I still don't feel comfortable outing my target as it will not help town atm.

[BrightEyedFish]

And you were explicitly told it failed, right?

My role PM says I will only be told if the neighborising is unsuccessful, but not if the motivate fails.

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't possibly see how that's true.

I also don't see how this role was supposed to confirm you as town in any context.

I don't possibly see how that's true.

I also don't see how this role was supposed to confirm you as town in any context.

I may have over exaggerated with the I'll be conftown thing. I would assume my target would have me a conftown but if they were outed then I assume my target would be high on the NK list. I'll take the shade for the conftown comment because I didn't think it through during my exchange with Enter and now I have to deal with the consequences.

[BrightEyedFish]

@bef have you ever played a game that had a motivator in it before?

I can't recall if I have ever played a game with a motivator but I have never had the motivator role before.

[BrightEyedFish]

Ok



As i was writing this i remembered that you kinda softed something in the hood so nm you were a decent day rb candidate by scum

?

Also, I've crumbed motivator a couple of times in this thread.

[BrightEyedFish]

@mcqueen: I'm gonna say something stupid and likely to hit you as scummy, but I will say it anyway: I don't want to lynch BEF regardless of his alignment. I've seen him lynched early often enough as either alignment I'd actually want him to be alive a bit longer in this game (as long as he doesn't fake claim or fake guilty anyone)

Don't tempt me. I'm "trying" to put those things behind me but something keeps motivating me. I promise I will try not to do it this game. Promise.

I think you're hard-bitter given the earlier push I had on you and that I accused you of not reading. Get over it.

You're push on me did cause me to look deeper and be more analytical about your posts but this is what I found on my search.

You might say I'm bitter but I'd say it made me more Motivated.

[BrightEyedFish]

Can anyone explain exactly what a motivator is? I thought it would be like a reload for another players x-shot role, but the wiki says it enables a player to do two actions in one night. This is only possibly useful on a player who has two night actions and that just seems bizarre to me

According to my role PM, if I motivate someone it will give them the multitasking ability and will be permanent.

[BrightEyedFish]

so it's very useful to motivate.... scum. who can't multitask normally.

That is why I was having trouble TRing people on D1. I knew that I could really give scum a leg up if I chose wrong and targeted one of them and was being very critical of my reads.

[BrightEyedFish]

so did you target anyone day 1?

No. I wanted to wait for a flip/nk to try and make associations before I used it today.

[BrightEyedFish]

I still don't feel comfortable outing my target as it will not help town atm.

Please explain this in depth.

Still waiting on this.

Then keep waiting.

[BrightEyedFish]

the best argument against Persivul scum i can come up with is that he seems to have no defenders here aside from Elbirn, who i townread if he's scum.

How would you read skitter if persivul flips scum?

[BrightEyedFish]

I did an ISO of Zito both in this thread and in the Hood thread. I don't notice any real differences in the tone or content between the threads. I don't know if this is AI but its just something I picked up on.

I am starting to doubt my reads on Persivul though. So I will unvote for now and see if I can make any sense of the Zito case.

UNVOTE:

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Papa Zito

That's the hammer.

[BrightEyedFish]

Hopefully we get a scum flip here. I am not so confident in Zito but the deadline will be here shortly and since I got flack from Enter for not hammering yesterday I figured I would go ahead and end the day.

[BrightEyedFish]

skitter is definitely town. i think that's the consensus but it's good to re-iterate she should never be lynched.
Elbirn and Almost are towny. i'll examine both of those in more detail today.
Percy and Fish are both claimed PRs, and while Fish's play doesn't make sense from scum, i'm still not seeing the town utility of it. Varsoon and Percy both wouldn't benefit from that motivate. (unless mod said it would allow Percy to target two players at once, for example.)
Varsoon's is also an odd role, i don't think it's scummy or towny by itself. his play i think leans towny.

mcqueen and implosion are left. (this is a good time to say this list isn't ordered by read strength.)
my townread on mcqueen was probably not built on a good foundation, but i did find him pretty genuine on day 1. i wouldn't be surprised if these two were both scum. obviously that leaves one of the PRs (or one of Almost and Elbirn, who i'll go over again) as the third scum.
what would be bad is if one of mcqueen or implosion was town.

that's about where i'm at right now. need to hear from Fish.

Anything specific you need to hear?

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm thinking I was probably a strong option for a NK, maybe a proc role helped me out. I have no evidence to support that but why else was there no NK?

[BrightEyedFish]

Read the thread.

I did.
My target yesterday was Chara because I TR Chara and also because I derped.
I say I derped and its pretty embarrassing to say this, because I was too lazy to check my notes and I confused the ascetic claim with A50 because they have a hydra named Almost Chara.

I know this doesn't help out. But I guess it confirms Charas ascetic claim...

Please be fragile with me...

[BrightEyedFish]

Oh and Chara was my only target.

[BrightEyedFish]

why else was there no NK?

Probably because I was commuted until today.
Y'know
The thing that was claimed today
in the thread
that you read

So scum claimed you were the attempted NK? Because I didn't read that.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF
You asked why else there'd be no NK other than fishing that a protective role might have been on you
Despite my claim existing
And here you are
STILL trying to get town protectives/anti-kill roles outted
VOTE: BEF
I just can't

When did I advocate for the explicit outing of a proc?

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm thinking I was probably a strong option for a NK

So you think I'm town?

How did you come to that conclusion from that quote?

But to answer your question, I don't have you as a top lynch candidate right now.

[BrightEyedFish]

How did you come to that conclusion from that quote?

With the attention that's been given to the hood, scum!pers wouldn't want to kill the only other known member of the hood, thereby putting himself at risk. That's why yesterday you came out of the gate gunning for me, then were willing to switch to zito...but now I'm not a priority.

I switched to PZ with just a few hours left to deadline it had nothing to do with you or the hood.

[BrightEyedFish]

You literally asked what else could have stopped the kill while also speculating that a protective was covering you at night.
You also have claimed a role that should be provable but that you still have not proven.

Exactly. It was speculatory. Are we not allowed to speculate and should just let you run the show?

I have no defense thst I haven't already stated for the 2nd part of you post.

[BrightEyedFish]

I voted you earlier because, on top of the fishing, I thought you said that you tried targeting Chara TWICE with the neighborizor
But it seems like maybe you didn't?

No, just once on D2.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF: I probably can ISO you, but I'm lazy.. your target gets a Neighborhood PT with you, right? Does this happen instantaneously or when the day ends?
Also, even if the target had no action they should be notified they are now multi-tasking, yes?

In fact, the second question should be directed at the mod..

@Mod: Assuming the existence of a role that gives it's target the multi-tasking modifier, and that said role has the Day modifier..
Does the target get notified instantly that they have become multi-tasking regardless of whether they have multiple actions (or actions at all)?

I would immediately gain a PT with my target until the next dawn, and they would receive the motivate in the coming night phase. Both can fail and the motivate only is successful if the neighborhood is successful but I will not be notified if the motivate succeeds or not.

[BrightEyedFish]

you didn't target anyone day1, right?

no

[BrightEyedFish]

Okay so it does get a little complex but let me try to break it down.
Humans, in this game of mafia, are the default town faction.
Typhon, in this game of mafia, are the default scum faction.

Typhon are mimics that can look like inanimate objects and even people. They can control people's minds. They have all kinds of powers.
Typhon aren't necessarily evil--they just naturally attack organic life.

In the game, there ARE evil humans and robots that you fight, although the primary enemies you are up against are Typhons.

But yes
Flavor for this game is very much most likely
Humans = town
Typhon = scum with human safeclaims

Xtoxm may have taken a page from my book and thrown a wrench into that, but I don't have any reason to believe it so far.

My role PM talks about "Neuromod Enhanced Yoga" Could you explain the flavor on that and maybe we can see if it has any benefits.

[BrightEyedFish]

more specifically my role pm says I may invite a player to a session of Neuromod Enhanced Yoga. I figured that was just the flavor for the neighborizing.

[BrightEyedFish]

Your level of conviction almost has me believing that I am scum and making me want to vote myself. Too bad it's way off the mark.

[BrightEyedFish]

Your level of conviction almost has me believing that I am scum and making me want to vote myself. Too bad it's way off the mark.

I checked my pm to be sure lol, thought I got confused with the Flavor. I win when all threats to humans are gone.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

I really did check my pm. Geez I feel lost.

[BrightEyedFish]

Fish, that's such a weird reply to that. you don't have anything to say to his actual argument?

The way I read his argument is that he is voting me because I am Not voting him. Is that an opposite of OMGUS or something?

[BrightEyedFish]

he's voting you because your read on him changed in a way that doesn't really make sense to me.
you were convinced scum was in the neighbourhood, but now you aren't?

Not really anymore. I mean it could make sense but just going off statistics, lynching from the hood as been a town massacre. I know I'm town and that would only leave Pers as the lone scum in the hood and I think its worth maybe lynching elsewhere.
Maybe we are looking in the wrong spots.

[BrightEyedFish]

VC 1.FINAL

[7] Robert2424:

Papa Zito, Enter, Elbirn, skitter30, Persivul, redtea, Chara

(Lynch)

[3] redtea:

implosion, Almost50, BrightEyedFish

[1] mcqueen:

Robert2424

[2] Not Voting:

Varsoon, mcqueen

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-01 18:00:00)

quote="In post 1253, Xtoxm"]

VC 2.Final

[6] Papa Zito:

mcqueen, Almost50, skitter30, Chara, implosion, BrightEyedFish

(Lynch)

[3] BrightEyedFish:

Persivul, Elbirn, Papa Zito

[1] Not Voting:

Varsoon

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

The Day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-11 18:00:00)

[/quote]

I think we should focus on the 2 lynch wagons.

[BrightEyedFish]

he's voting you because your read on him changed in a way that doesn't really make sense to me.
you were convinced scum was in the neighbourhood, but now you aren't?

Not really anymore. I mean it could make sense but just going off statistics, lynching from the hood as been a town massacre. I know I'm town and that would only leave Pers as the lone scum in the hood and I think its worth maybe lynching elsewhere.
Maybe we are looking in the wrong spots.

Ngl this is kinda scummy

Says one of the two people on both lynch wagons.

[BrightEyedFish]

he's voting you because your read on him changed in a way that doesn't really make sense to me.
you were convinced scum was in the neighbourhood, but now you aren't?

Not really anymore. I mean it could make sense but just going off statistics, lynching from the hood as been a town massacre. I know I'm town and that would only leave Pers as the lone scum in the hood and I think its worth maybe lynching elsewhere.
Maybe we are looking in the wrong spots.

Ngl this is kinda scummy

Says one of the two people on both lynch wagons.

[BrightEyedFish]

he's voting you because your read on him changed in a way that doesn't really make sense to me.
you were convinced scum was in the neighbourhood, but now you aren't?

Not really anymore. I mean it could make sense but just going off statistics, lynching from the hood as been a town massacre. I know I'm town and that would only leave Pers as the lone scum in the hood and I think its worth maybe lynching elsewhere.
Maybe we are looking in the wrong spots.

Ngl this is kinda scummy

Says one of the two people on both lynch wagons.

for the six billionth time, i was only on the first wagon because of the deadline

And how is that AI?

[BrightEyedFish]

more specifically my role pm says I may invite a player to a session of Neuromod Enhanced Yoga. I figured that was just the flavor for the neighborizing.

Neuromods are basically a way to inject Typhon bits to edit your brain or some wild shit so you can get a person's skillset or even powers.
So like if you had the neuromod for being a genius at chess and injected it, your brain would then reformat to mimic (like the typhon) a chess master.
Extracting neuromods really fucks with your memory and personality of the time when they were injected so

Anyway I figured your role had to do with neuromods because that's the first way I could think to render the flavor of a human being a motivator for another player in the flavor that'd fit.
Just like how my commute and one of the flipped ones are flavored as escape pods because the game takes place on the spaceship.

Could it be that my ability only works on humans then?

[BrightEyedFish]

I wish I rolled that role.

OK.. BEF's next (I think he already said it all, so this is just a formality).
Then Percy (feel free to go before BEF if you like, although I don't think you have anything to add, do you?)

Once BEF+Percy are done reiterating their claims, Elbrin should go

Emma Beatty - Professional Trainer
1-shot Day Neighborising Motivator

[BrightEyedFish]

My 1-shot is used up. I waited to share that info in the chance a that I would have been targeted for a NK since I am basically a named townie now. So I won't be able to use my ability anymore.

[BrightEyedFish]

So I make a mistake that didn't cause anyone to be killed and for that I should be lynched?

You just admitted that also your role wasn't "utilized to their best extent."

[BrightEyedFish]

So I make a mistake that didn't cause anyone to be killed and for that I should be lynched?

You just admitted that also your role wasn't "utilized to their best extent."

1- You don't have the right to say ANYTHING anymore. You're ALWAYS lynchbait, and your play is worse than [unnamed]

2- My role wasn't untilized to the best of its potential because of YOUR incompetency. YOU should've been careful whom you bloody target with a 1-shot ability. Out of the whole players list you targeted the one and only CLAIMED ASCETIC?

2: I halfway targeted you due to your bloody hydra name with chara. Not that I picked up on your role or any crumbs but I had you and Chara both as town reads and I sent my action in and didn't proofread or double check. That's where I went wrong.

If that helps.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Varsoon

[BrightEyedFish]

See how soon Varsoon jumped on the wagon to put BEF @ L-1? At least that means there's one scum off the wagon still, so Varsoon+Elbrin+Chara, perhaps? In that case Percy was meant to catch Elbrin specifically??

You really think scum would double down on hammer like that before LYLO?

Yeah, when I am the one to be lynched. A hammer on me with regard to my screwup this game leaves several NAI outs for scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

UNVOTE:

Okay please explain to me and sort out what the lies and the truth is, both of you.

UNVOTE:

My latest claim is the full truth.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, why did you lie about having multiple shots?

To maybe draw a NK and get something out of this mess.

[BrightEyedFish]

That doesn't really hold up--if scum was in the hood, wouldn't they NOT want to shoot at you because it'd shorten the PoE
Furthermore, a lot of the spec done around what you claimed is that Multi-task would enable scum to use a role AND kill which would be something scum would want to keep around
but I don't see you really playing that angle at all where you'd jockeying to see who wanted to get motivated the most because it'd make them likely scum.
So if you were going to lie about something to get NK'd, why lie about being multishot and not some form of cop or something?

Because I didn't plan for it to go down this way with a miss-shot. I improvised and tried to at least get something out of it. I thought that since we were mass claiming I should also claim the 1 shot.

[BrightEyedFish]

Alright. I think I can lynch within the VT claims today.

Do you think that the scum fake claims would be simple VT or would they be more complicated?

I could see xt maybe throwing a VT fake claim to scum but I don't think all scum have the VT fake claims.

[BrightEyedFish]

I like implosion at L-1

VOTE: implosion

[BrightEyedFish]

bef is ML bait and ofc scum wants him alive. Him voting him out of spite says “here guys we cant avoid it so i guess ill join”. Darn straight it’s scummy.

so Fish was ml bait and now he's scum? convenient.

I would like to hear the answer to this as well.
VOTE: mcqueen

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: implosion

[BrightEyedFish]

I was hit by a FlexiFoam Bolt to whoever is wondering.

[BrightEyedFish]

if bef was scum why did the wagon go from him to implosion

iirc I think the wagon went something like this:

BEF > implo > mcqueen > implo

[BrightEyedFish]

OK...

I am the FlexyFoam Guy. It is NOT an alignment thing (i.e. I am neither Loyal nor Disloyal). I hit Percy, Elbrin & BEF, and I though Percy was scummy for not claiming it. He said he was Roleblocked, which should not have prevented my shotn from going through (since it's not a kill), AND I couldn't have been RB'd myself. It wasn't until Chara claimed that I understood what happened.

And I was waiting to see if BEF will claim it or not. I was hoping scum might be afraid it might be something or another that they should not claim. I mean, my role was pretty useless anyway, so I tried to do somethung with it.

When Elbrin was hit he assumed it was something like a loud fruit vendor. Do you have the loud modifier?

[BrightEyedFish]

I think I believe A50's claim for now. Back to BEF VOTE: BEF

Which claim? The real one or the fake one? Remember this is a game where we know scum have fake claims.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think I believe A50's claim for now. Back to BEF VOTE: BEF

Which claim? The real one or the fake one? Remember this is a game where we know scum have fake claims.

Also, why were you sitting online waiting to hammer yesterday?

I happened to be online it wasn't planned if that is what you are insinuating.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think I believe A50's claim for now. Back to BEF VOTE: BEF

Which claim? The real one or the fake one? Remember this is a game where we know scum have fake claims.

Also, why were you sitting online waiting to hammer yesterday?

I happened to be online it wasn't planned if that is what you are insinuating.

Yeah it was. You were constantly wagon hopping and had been online prior to that naked hammer iirc

I was happy with implos or your lynch.

[BrightEyedFish]

Real quick, uh, for purely scientific reasons, can people tell me all the roles that they don't consider scum roles so I can be sure to include them as scum roles in every game I run from here on out?

You know that the funny thing about BEF's claim is that he left out the part about being in the neighborhood, didn't he?

It's not on my role name. Just look at the flip from others in the hood.

[BrightEyedFish]

Spoiler: Flavour

Danielle Sho: So - I found your sticky note. The one under the desk. With your password.

Abigail Foy: Wait - you were under my desk?

Danielle Sho: Look, you need to keep your password safe, all right? I'm watching out for you because I love you.

Abigail Foy: You love me?

Danielle Sho: I loved you enough to crawl under your desk. I totally wasn't looking for the pen I dropped.

Abigail Foy: Flatterer.

---

Danielle Sho: These... "psych evals" are a waste of time.

Mathias Kohl: A waste of time? Like back on Earth?

Danielle Sho: That was different.

Mathias Kohl: Was it? Anger. Issues with authority? A year of counselling doesn't sound like a trivial matter.

Danielle Sho: Those files were supposed to be closed.

Mathias Kohl: Are you angry?

Danielle Sho: I'm getting there.

Mathias Kohl: Any... new relationships?

Danielle Sho: No.

Mathias Kohl: I thought you and Miss Foy - the Sanitation Engineer - were seen together.

Danielle Sho: She's a Sanitation Boss. And we're not in a relationship. Not anymore.

Mathias Kohl: Ah. And this separation, did it involve anger? Issues with author-

Danielle Sho: Screw this. I'm done. Report me to the Yu's, I don't care. They're putting the station at risk, just like TranStar North, and just like on Earthside. You assholes will just bury it with your psych eval bullshit. And another thing-

---

Abby - I'm still in Deep Storage, I don't know know why you won't pick up. I hope you're safe. If things get bad, i'll jettison a data vault and space walk along the hull. Come to the fitness center and bang on the window by the pool. I should feel the vibration. And Abby - Please don't take any chances all right? I.. Be safe.

---

Morgan? If you're here.. Then Abby didn't make it, did she? I..

Watch your step. There's someone else in Crew Quarters pretending to be the Cook. His tracking bracelet's from Psychotronics, but.. The ID doesn't make any sense. He.. I think he's the one that killed Abby. If you can, make sure he doesn't get off the station.

Goodbye Morgan.

Spoiler: Flip

redtea -

Lover Neighbor Encryptor

- Died Night 1

Abigail Foy - Sanitation Boss

You say "what" a lot when you should say "yes" - Lover

You are in love with Enter. If at any time in the game one of you dies, the other will immediately suicide.

Greetings Adventurers! - Neighbor Encryptor

You begin the game in the Fatal Fortress neighborhood [link]. If at any time you die, as you are the Game Master, the group will stop convening and this PT will be locked.

Danielle - I'm not saying working with them is easy, but...

You win when all threats to the Humans have been eliminated, and at least one human is alive.

Game thread is [link].

Confirm by replying with your role, alignment, and anything you know about other players.

Enter -

1-shot Commuter Lover Neighbor

- Suicided Dawn 2

Danielle Sho - Chief Archivist

You say "what" a lot when you should say "yes" - Lover

You are in love with redtea. If at any time in the game one of you dies, the other will immediately suicide.

Bang on the Window - 1-shot Commuter

Once in the game, during the night, you may flee to the Talos I exterior, and become immune to all actions for the duration of the night, nothing can prevent this.

Fatal Fortress - Neighbor

You begin the game in the Fatal Fortress neighborhood [link].

Did you just compare me to him? To that arrogant sack of shit?

You win when all threats to the Humans have been eliminated, and at least one human is alive.

Game thread is [link].

Confirm by replying with your role, alignment, and anything you know about other players.

VC 2.0

[10] Not Voting:

Varsoon, Almost50, Chara, Papa Zito, Elbirn, BrightEyedFish, Persivul, implosion, skitter30, mcqueen

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

The Day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-11 18:00:00)

Day 2 Begins!

[BrightEyedFish]

Spoiler: Flavour

Zachary West: Ivy. What is it.

Ivy Song: How's it coming?

Zachary West: I can't get this damn thing open. Where's Danielle?

Ivy Song: Still not answering. What's wrong?

Zachary West: Danielle's tied the lock to her voice. We need her to speak the key phrase, or we're not getting in here.

Ivy Song: Would voice samples work? TranScribe recordings?

Zachary West: Yes - if they have the right words. Or if we gathered enough to map her voice to a consonant and vowel list and started running patterns...

Ivy Song: I'll see if I can find her. Or her TranScribe. I'll check her room first.

Zachary West: All right, Ivy, but... look, don't do anything stupid. Ivy? Ivy. Shit. Dammit, Danielle, where are you.

Spoiler: Flip

Papa Zito -

Neighbor

- Lynched Day 2

Zachary West - AI Engineer

Fatal Fortress - Neighbor

You begin the game in the Fatal Fortress neighborhood [link].

Forget that. It just ate our warrior.

You win when all threats to the Humans have been eliminated, and at least one human is alive.

Game thread is [link].

Confirm by replying with your role, alignment, and anything you know about other players.

It is now Night 2. You have 48 hours to submit any actions you wish to perform.
(expired on 2019-02-13 14:00:00)

[BrightEyedFish]

Enter - 1-shot Commuter Lover Neighbor - Suicided Dawn 2

Read the role PM.

[BrightEyedFish]

I have the fatal Fortress part extra like enter and PZ.

[BrightEyedFish]

bef will aslo probably lolhammer, irregardless of his alignment
if there's a 3p it's 4:2:1

assuming someone dies overnight: 3:2:1
if a townie gets mislynched: 2:2:1

so i guess worst-case scenario it's 2:2:1 tomorrow?

bleh just don't mislynch a50, i'm very very very confident he's not scum here

I did think about it. But right now my hammer's are 50-50, the thing is I trust skitter more than I distrust A50 this game and I sheeped him on implo so I will follow the same path here.
VOTE: varsoon

[BrightEyedFish]

UNVOTE:
i'm really not ready for *anybody* to be l-1 rn given the gamestate, can we not hammer anyone please

This is feeling like the lynch sequence form yestersday

[BrightEyedFish]

i just don't want a lynch to happen yet, i'm not really ready for that yet
and you lolhammered yesterday so you're making me wary and there's at least 2 scum and it only takes 4 to lynch and that a50 wagon is atrocious and i don't want it to be a thing and i think scum are gearing up to hammer him

It wasn't a full lolhammer from my pov. I wasn't feelingtoo good about that slot and we got lucky with the flip. But you don't have to worry about any lolhammers coming from me this time around can't say the same about the others though. But I will keep my vote on varsoon.

[BrightEyedFish]

Don't let A50 fool you and win here.
Look at how quickly he turned around for a lynch on me.
I thought I was 'locktown', but look how quickly A50's been eroding that so that he could have wiggle room to get my lynched after implosion went down.
I don't like it.

I don't have A50 as locktown and I can see him flipping both ways.

[BrightEyedFish]

Literally no way that A50 is some sort of holstered vig in this game.
I know A50 lies as his role plenty as town and I even thought he was town earlier but he REALLY looks like he's setting up some sort of gambit with the Vig claim and the amount that he's wriggled himself in the chara/skitter bloc bothers me a ton.

I don't really believe this claim either. What I don't understand is

Do we have 2 people shooting this flexifoam stuff? Because with A50s new claim, he couldn't have sent it to elbrin. Or did I miss something about his claim?

[BrightEyedFish]

elbirn + you, n2 and n3

I re-read his claim, I get it now. I thought he used another ability on N2.

[BrightEyedFish]

UNVOTE:

[BrightEyedFish]

Why is no one explaining why they trust A50 now when he's been lying all game?
.

I don't trust his claims. If I had to pick one I would say his fruit vendor claim is the most believable. But I can't decide if he is coming at this from a town or scum angle.

[BrightEyedFish]

2. BEF claimed the ability to conftown, making a mislynch extremely unlikely

Perhaps you weren't paying attention, but based on my experience with BEF I wouldn't put much weight on anything he "claims"..

as town

! I understand you may or may not have played with him before, but I have and I've come to the conclusion I need to play another much more with him in order to begin to understand how he plays (which makes playing with him more fun because I'm genuinely challenged to deduce a way of reading him correctly).

Sp far, all I can say is this "looks" more like town!him than scum!him, and town!BEF is more likely to say "I can confirm myself" when he actually can't. In fact, he could very well have been trying to bait the NK unto himself and his gambit didn't work.

Also something I remembered now that may or may not have anything to do with the game: redtea hinted there might be a 3P role in-play. I went back to reread his PM (and Enter's) and could find any redacted info, and the phrasing of either doesn't suggest any 3P roles. This is irrelevant in itself, but

IF there is

a 3P killer then they may have been the one to have shot redtea, and the group scum kill may have been saved (If there's a Doctor/Jailer .. etc, please keep this in mind and use it IF we ever flip a 3P killing role)

Is this the 1st post about 3p?

[BrightEyedFish]

Is this the 1st post about 3p?

No, see my preceding post. redtea speculated that A50 might be 3P pretty far back.

Ok. I just did a quick search and that was the earliest post I got. But I suck with the Ms search function. Is there a wiki page or something like that to help with searches?

[BrightEyedFish]

Elbirn's reaction to hammering A50 is scummier than the actual hammer vote.

[BrightEyedFish]

Id someone ISOsElbirn posts in 100 years from now, his first few posts of this day will stick out like a sore thumb. Totally different tone. Now is that because he is town and regrets the hammer, or is he scum going for AtE because he wanted to trade himself for A50?

[BrightEyedFish]

ok to summarize:

-> i'm pretty sure persivul and a50 are town (or at least, that a50 is not scum)

-> there's two scum in {elbirn/varsoon/bef/mcqueen}

-> people in this group repeatedly trying to lynch bef makes me think he's probably not scum

so 2/3 scum are in {elbirn/varsoon/mcqueen} imo

Skitter was probably on to something here thus the NK. I'm leaning town on Persivul even though he is the only living member from the neighbourhood but I trust Skitters reads.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

Only *other living member of the hood.

[BrightEyedFish]

I can go back to pushing you if I want. But I have you as a TR. Alot has happened since the lovers were killed and I was wrong with my reads on both of them.
Why is changing my read on someone a scum tell?

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah, I'm not willing to believe mcqueen is loved scum while I'm voteless town. Seems unlikely.
Dollars to donuts, BEF is scum here. I really don't like how he's like "Skitter was prob right" and then Percivul pegs him as scum and he's like "I can take away that townread on you!"
It just strikes as weird posturing to me. Vote's there for all intents and purposes, just don't wanna rush LYLO, though.

You're votes not there until it 's there. I don't know what you want from me. It seems like everyone wants me to SR persivul yet no one else is voting him. And since I have him as a TR that makes me scum??

It feels like a reverse-psychological type of push on me but it won't work.

I also don't like how mcqueen's vote on Varsoon didn't get speed lynched. The vote was up for around 3 hours and probably enough time for the 2 remaining scum to hammer.

[BrightEyedFish]

Enter also got a neighborhood and a lover.

As far as not getting turbo-lynched, if Mcqueen is scum, then there is no 2 scum to speed lynch me. The fact you're angling mcqueen as town here without even considering the alternative makes me think you have more info than me.

I was thinking you were the scum irt McQueen's vote.

[BrightEyedFish]

- that leaves bef and varsoon. i'd rather lynch bef today.

Then why did you vote Varsoon?

A varsoon/mcqueen team is looking cuter and cuter the more I think about it.

[BrightEyedFish]

A varsoon/mcqueen team is looking cuter and cuter the more I think about it.

Based on what?

I had mcqueen as a TR at the start of the day but the vote on Varsoon and then the fact that suddenly he wants me lynched before varsoon is suspicious.

I'll see if I can find any other connections/hints earlier in the game.

[BrightEyedFish]

Convenient that you can shuffle your reads around at the last minute to procure TWO other people to get lynched before you bite the dust, eh?

You're the one who said no one is conf town. So everyone should be on your radar as well.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, how seriously do you pay attention to meta?

When I use meta to try and sort a slot I prefer to compare past games that I was also a part of.

I have noticed that mcqueen is quieter than I remember him but I don't want to SR him just for that because he is on VLA and probably is just busy irl right now.

I will re read this game later today to see if anything pops out.

I am not very expirenced in mechanical solving so I am not very vocal on that front.

[BrightEyedFish]

VC 1.FINAL

[7] Robert2424:

Papa Zito, Enter, Elbirn, skitter30, Persivul, redtea, Chara

(Lynch)

[3] redtea:

implosion, Almost50, BrightEyedFish

[1] mcqueen:

Robert2424

[2] Not Voting:

Varsoon, mcqueen

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-01 18:00:00)

VC 2.Final

[6] Papa Zito:

mcqueen, Almost50, skitter30, Chara, implosion, BrightEyedFish

(Lynch)

[3] BrightEyedFish:

Persivul, Elbirn, Papa Zito

[1] Not Voting:

Varsoon

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

The Day 2 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-11 18:00:00)

VC 3.FINAL

[5] implosion:

Varsoon, Chara, skitter30, mcqueen, BrightEyedFish

(Lynch)

[2] BrightEyedFish:

Persivul, Elbirn

[1] mcqueen:

Almost50

[1] Persivul:

implosion

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

The Day 3 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-21 19:00:00)

VC 4.FINAL

[4] Almost50:

mcqueen, Persivul, Varsoon, Elbirn

(Lynch)

[1] Varsoon:

Almost50

[2] Not Voting:

BrightEyedFish, skitter30

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

The Day 4 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-28 00:00:00)

Persivul and Elbirn were always on the same wagon and they weren't on the implo wagon.
And
Since the days when Varsoon has had a vote he has been on the same wagon as mcqueen. The only difference is that they were on the implo wagon...

[BrightEyedFish]

I think I've settled on Elbirn. Nothing adds up with his claim/posts and the oops hammer on A50 just solidifies it.

VOTE: Elbirn

[BrightEyedFish]

GG, scum!

Persivul, congrats on being the scummiest town player who was indeed scum.

and thanks so much XT for modding!

[BrightEyedFish]

At this point I think it's probably better that we Lynch anti-town play than allow it to live just because we townread it. Letting play like BEF's in this game survive to lylo because we decided he might not be scum and voted elsewhere lost us the game in the long run. I'm not entirely sure, but I would like to see some discussion on sacrificing possible town reads over lynching other stronger town players on the idea that numbers alone will win us the game.

geez man. You don't have to scum hunt anymore.

[BrightEyedFish]

geez man. You don't have to scum hunt anymore.

I'm sorry, it's nothing personal. I'm just trying to figure out if it's really optimal to let someone live based solely on the fact that they're townread.

It's all good.
The advantage/disadvantages of policy lynching is a hot topic and usually depends on the game/situation. It's tough to have a default answer for every game.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'd have also stuck to my guns on persivul being scum by hood PoE, like from your perspective I couldn't have come to any other conclusion.

Yeah that made no sense. I didn't really like pushing him for it, because if he got lynched I'd be next, but as town I would have been all over it, so I really had to.

I get it and you're right. But after the lovers and PZ flips I really did doubt there was scum in the hood and didn't want to tunnel just that idea without anything else.

[BrightEyedFish]

For the first time in several months, I am not active in any games! I think being constantly in games these past few months kinda took it's toll. It will be nice to get a fresh start in my next game.