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Post Post #44 (isolation #0) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:44 pm

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In post 21, Springtrap wrote:A neighborhood? Do they have day and nightchat or is it just during the day?
VOTE: Springtrap
I don't like that he opened with a question regarding whatever's been discussed, rather than coming up with his own content.

I also dislike PvtUrist for calling Munch overdefensive.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #1) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:54 pm

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I don't think neighbours can be S/S, but they can very well be T/T or S/T.

I also definitely think they're true claiming about the neighbourhood, fakeclaiming it is just silly as it's confirmable. As such, I find the whole "post at the same time" thing completely pointless. Also, I think that asking them to copy something out of the thread would be rulebreaking.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #2) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:56 pm

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I think I slightly like Vortuka for suggesting the idea, though.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #3) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:04 am

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In post 48, PvtUrist wrote:
In post 44, singletonking wrote:I also dislike PvtUrist for calling Munch overdefensive.
hmm, care to explain why? I'm interested in your reasoning on this.
Because I disagree that Munch was being overdefensive, and I felt that you were stretching.

Why do you think Munch was overdefensive?
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Post Post #61 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:32 am

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In post 50, PvtUrist wrote:
In post 36, Munchmellow wrote:
Are you suggesting we should copy paste sth from our private thread, because that would be clearly against the rules.

I mean, the only reason to think we are both lying about it is, if we would both be scum. In that case we would have private thread anyway even if we copy paste sth that wouldn't prove anything.
Munch instantly jumps to assume Vorkuta's "Proof" involves "copy paste sth from our private thread, because that would be clearly against the rules", if that ain't overdefensive I don't know what is.
He literally said
In post 32, Vorkuta wrote:Out of curiosity- does town require proof that they're actually neighbors? Or do we take that at face value?
Idk- getting both of them to post some random copypasta at exactly HH:MM:SS to confirm that they have access to neighbor-exclusive chat?
How is Munch's assumption unreasonable, and how is it overdefensive?
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Post Post #63 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:36 am

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Basically I immediately buy 0verkill and Munch as part of a neighbourhood, and I don't think the fact that they are part of a neighbourhood is indicative of being town or scum, apart from not being both scum.
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Post Post #64 (isolation #6) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:37 am

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VOTE: PvtUrist
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Post Post #82 (isolation #7) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:07 am

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In post 67, Springtrap wrote:
In post 44, singletonking wrote:
In post 21, Springtrap wrote:A neighborhood? Do they have day and nightchat or is it just during the day?
VOTE: Springtrap
I don't like that he opened with a question regarding whatever's been discussed, rather than coming up with his own content.
You could have atleast have answered my question.

Is everyone here expected to come up with something new on the spot and not contribute to something ongoing? That is a double standard otherwise. I think I will voice my concerns of something new when it comes, but considering I'm not online as often, that makes this difficult.
No, only on the opening. It's my experimental scumtell of how scum starts the game, that they have nothing in mind and hence start by going of a topic in thread.

To answer your question, I don't know because I'm not in the neighbourhood.

On another note, do you have any reads? Why are you reacting to only my push on you?
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Post Post #117 (isolation #8) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:40 am

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I don't think a lot of things related to the use of neighbourhoods pointed out is scummy and rather NAI.
I don't have a problem with Overkill outing the neighbourhood. While I think it is weird and anti-town I buy that he does it habitually and I see no reason to suspect him for it. However, I do like Texcat's reasoning in and slightly lean town on her for that.

I also disagree with Trekkie's being scummy, despite disagreeing with the post. I often see new townies suggest weird mechanical stuff on the setup and end up getting lynched for it, and I think it is equally likely from town!Trekkie and scum!Trekkie.

@Jenga that answers . Incidentally, what's your opinion on that post?
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Post Post #118 (isolation #9) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:49 am

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In post 107, Munchmellow wrote:
In post 90, ofrhz wrote:
In post 36, Munchmellow wrote:
In post 29, ofrhz wrote:
In post 23, Munchmellow wrote:
In post 20, ofrhz wrote:Did you guys discuss and agree to out your neighborhood together?
No, no discussion.
What was your initial reaction in seeing ?
I was really surprised.
I guess there is logic behind it and overkill will explain it.
I feel like this doesn't really track with your entrance

If you were surprised by Overkill's post, why didn't you mention/question it when you first entered the thread?

VOTE: Munchmellow
I don't know, I just didn't.

You are implying I wasn't actually surprised, so I was lying about it. But being surprised doesn't have to do much with being town/scum but whether I knew about it or not. So if I wasn't actually surprised, I would have to know about it, so that would mean me and Overkill discussed it and are now both lying about it. What good would that do?
I just don't get your logic behind that vote.
Actually I want to echo ofrhz's concern on the post:
I did find it weird that you didn't care about Overkill outing the neighbourhood at all, especially if there was no discussion before that. I expect people to dislike a hood getting outed like that. The problem isn't you faking surprise, but you not immediately mentioning your surprise.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #10) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:50 am

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Tbh I'm starting to see why people are calling Munch defensive
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Post Post #121 (isolation #11) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:06 am

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I think that one player flipping scum would make the other locktown but I don't agree vice versa at all.
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Post Post #188 (isolation #12) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:23 am

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In post 122, Trekkie99 wrote:
In post 121, singletonking wrote:but I don't agree vice versa at all.
Why not?
I think "at all" is a slight exaggeration, but I don't think the hood is significantly more likely to be either t/t or t/s. I think we shouldn't speculate and instead actually work out who is scummy based on play.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #13) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:36 am

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UNVOTE: PvtUrist

Eh I think I'm now slightly townleaning them
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Post Post #191 (isolation #14) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:26 am

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In post 128, Clemency wrote:but more because gamma's the only person here that i can even townlean on
Why are you townleaning Gamma?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #15) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:31 am

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In post 151, Jenga wrote:
In post 107, Munchmellow wrote:You are implying I wasn't actually surprised, so I was lying about it. But being surprised doesn't have to do much with being town/scum but whether I knew about it or not. So if I wasn't actually surprised, I would have to know about it, so that would mean me and Overkill discussed it and are now both lying about it. What good would that do?
I think I'd need to cast Frost Nova to fully parse this but I want to say Munch might be town here just based on frame of mind and trying to understand the logic of the push
What about the frame of mind? Why can't Munch have this mindset as scum?
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Post Post #193 (isolation #16) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:32 am

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In post 161, Clemency wrote:overkill claim is something i can only see him do as town
Why do you say this only now, considering you said "Gamma's my only townlean" earlier?
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Post Post #208 (isolation #17) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:48 am

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Wait what we have 5 days left
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Post Post #209 (isolation #18) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:49 am

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In post 207, Clemency wrote:
In post 193, singletonking wrote:
In post 161, Clemency wrote:overkill claim is something i can only see him do as town
Why do you say this only now, considering you said "Gamma's my only townlean" earlier?
took me a while to realise
Realise what? That Gamma was town, that you townread Gamma, or?
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Post Post #210 (isolation #19) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:50 am

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Texcat do you have any non-Overkill reads?
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Post Post #211 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:51 am

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Or thoughts?
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Post Post #212 (isolation #21) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:58 am

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In post 200, Jenga wrote:
In post 193, singletonking wrote:Why do you say this only now, considering you said "Gamma's my only townlean" earlier?
Why don't you follow this question up with a vote?
Because I didn't strongly scumread it, and I wanted to see Clememcy's response to it.

In retrospect it was my strongest scumread at that time, but it wasn't strong enough relative to my reads on other players to warrant a vote.
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Post Post #213 (isolation #22) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:01 am

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VOTE: texcat
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Post Post #256 (isolation #23) » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:29 am

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Yes, my reasoning for voting Texcat is that I didn't like her tunnel on Overkill. I don't think it's fair to call my vote a naked vote because I thought it was fairly evident on why I voted texcat based on what I wrote in thread, but I can see why people would think so and I won't blame them for it.
In post 214, texcat wrote:
In post 210, singletonking wrote:Texcat do you have any non-Overkill reads?
I have town reads. But they are not very strong and seem to flip-flop around a little. For example, I was town reading you.
In post 215, texcat wrote:Clemency would probably be my second choice for lynch.
By the way, why do I need to push you for you to post non-overkill thoughts? Why don't you do so unpromptedly?
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Post Post #257 (isolation #24) » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:54 am

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By the way, here are my reads. I would explain them but I don't have time now; I'll be back in ~12 hours and I'll properly explain them and stratify them into more levels.

Town - PvtUrist, Vortuka, Trekkie, Jenga, ofhrz
Null - EGL, Munch, Overkill, Gamma
Scum - Clemency, texcat, Springtrap
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Post Post #273 (isolation #25) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:55 am

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We need to get the game going
Springtrap has the highest wagon and is also my strongest scumread
VOTE: Springtrap

I really disliked Springtrap's last few posts. was bad and asking for more activity, but I held on that scumread because I wanted to see if Spring would do anything about the activity. However, really hit the nail for me. For some reason Springtrap seemed really triggered when he was called a Serial Killer, but what makes this even worse is that he seems to be popping in only to make fluff comments, reacting to what people say about him without coming up with his own opinions. And maintains my feelings on that slot with another activity complaint.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #26) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:01 am

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Texcat was only a small scumlean which I temporarily voted but not actually confident the slot would flip scum.
Clemency is acting really weird and while I didn't like some of his posts I'm not really scumreading him.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #27) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:52 am

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@EGL No, but that's outside the point; he seemed to overreact (relative to what he has been posting) to being called an SK.

Anyway,
PvtUrist is leaning town for me because I see him putting efforts to scumhunt.
I also lean town on Vortuka because of his efforts to solve the game even though the suggestions may not be good, such as in , , and . While the suggestions are not necessarily good, I can see the intention behind them that they are genuine ideas and are likely town.
I liked some of Jenga's early contributions, I liked posts like and
Same for Trekkie. A few of his posts gave me townpings such as

Ofrhz barely posted but I had the same thoughts as him on Munchmellow so slight leantown on NM
Both overkill and Munch are quite null for me right now. I guess I'd like Munchmellow better of the two. I think I can give her some townpoints for and in spite of some of her early game posts. On the other hand I somewhat dislike Overkill's lurkyness and I slightly dislike and .

EGL and Gamma haven't really done anything impressionable to me.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #28) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:53 am

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So,

{PvtUrist, Vorkuta}
{Jenga, Trekkie}
{ofrhz, Munch}
{EGL, Gamma}
{Overkill, Clemency, texcat}
{Springtrap}
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Post Post #281 (isolation #29) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:55 am

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In post 278, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Springtrap
This puts Springtrap at L-2
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Post Post #302 (isolation #30) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:20 pm

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Springtrap, you're at L-1. Why haven't given us your reads yet?
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Post Post #323 (isolation #31) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:22 am

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Reads now
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Post Post #386 (isolation #32) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:46 am

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UNVOTE: Springtrap

Despite how much I hate his play right now, even having experience with him, I don't know if I want to risk a lynch on him.
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Post Post #387 (isolation #33) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:13 am

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Sigh knowing what Springtrap does makes it really hard for me to get a good read on him.

But what I really disliked among all these is his refusal to give any reads. I can understand the refusal to claim, but refusal to give reads? Really?
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Post Post #388 (isolation #34) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:20 am

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@Clemency why is Springtrap town?
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Post Post #392 (isolation #35) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:27 am

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In post 389, Clemency wrote:i'm not entirely sure he is
i just dont feel like he's scum
Didn't you say he's 100% town or something?
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Post Post #401 (isolation #36) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:45 am

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What why Trekkie
I'll lynch NM before Trekkie

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Post Post #402 (isolation #37) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:47 am

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Ftr I do think it's best to leave sorting Springtrap to Day 2
And I'll be here till deadline to swing a lynch if need be, but would rather lynch NM first.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #38) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:49 am

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Also I think Clemency is town so I'll not be wagoning there
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Post Post #405 (isolation #39) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:17 am

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Sorry I don't think I'll be here till deadline

I'll be placing my vote on NM because I like his lynch best among all that are realistically possible today.
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Post Post #479 (isolation #40) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:35 am

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I think the Munchmellow kill points to Overkill town. I don't think scum claims their neighbourhood right out of the gate and immediately kills them.
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Post Post #480 (isolation #41) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:38 am

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In post 471, Trekkie99 wrote:Okay what the fuck happened yesterday? Out of nowhere I racked up a ton of votes, and then the same thing happened to Clemency.Why Clemency? His activity had increased greatly which had put him on my town reads, but I didn't get a chance to say that.
This post felt quite LAMIST
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Post Post #483 (isolation #42) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:47 am

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You recapping whatever happened yesterday followed by saying why you townread the now dead player felt like LAMIST
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Post Post #534 (isolation #43) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:21 am

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Ok cool

We have PvtUrist/NM as conftown, and I'm also willing to believe Springtrap for now.

I think Trekkie may be my strongest scumread at this point, but I don't really have good reads between the rest so I'm not confident on it.

pEdit: :(
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Post Post #535 (isolation #44) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:26 am

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Honestly though I didn't really like how Texcat appeared at deadline yesterday
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Post Post #571 (isolation #45) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:30 am

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I don't think massclaiming is necessary here.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #46) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:34 am

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In post 536, texcat wrote:What's this supposed to mean? Did you want a no lynch? Is that why you're sorry I showed up? And when something is prefaced with "Honestly though", I immediately think it must be fake.
The problem isn't being on at deadline per se, but I don't like you showing up only at deadline when you've mostly been a non-presence. Where were you between when you posted and ?
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Post Post #573 (isolation #47) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:39 am

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In post 570, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 569, Jenga wrote:0verkill, was there anything in your neighborhood last night? What did you two talk about (if anything)?

I know you said you didn't plan to use it much, but did Munch try to use it, or anything change after she repped in?
We didnt use it over the night.
Not at all? Munch didn't bother speaking in the hood?
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Post Post #574 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:48 am

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Anyway, I'm coming around to scumread Overkill because I don't like their posts today; I don't see them making an effort to scumhunt today. He hasn't stated a scumread today at all, and the only things that can be considered scumhunting are and , which are easy to post as scum.
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Post Post #575 (isolation #49) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:53 am

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Since this game's stalled, I'll get things moving:

VOTE: Trekkie99
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Post Post #586 (isolation #50) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:14 am

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In post 577, Jenga wrote:
In post 574, singletonking wrote:I'm coming around to scumread Overkill because I don't like their posts today
In post 575, singletonking wrote:Since this game's stalled, I'll get things moving:

VOTE: Trekkie99
you just said you scumread 0verkill, why are you then voting Trekkie?

I think it's really weird that 0verkill says there was no talk at night after the flip and no talk when Munch replaced in. It's partly plausible since 0verkill is so quiet entirely, but I don't think I like that slot regardless.

VOTE: 0verkill
I still have some doubts on Overkill scum, and I scumread Trekkie slightly more.

But sure, I can vote Overkill as well
VOTE: 0verki11
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Post Post #587 (isolation #51) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:01 am

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In post 582, Delta Diamond wrote:masons+PT cop is a lot, munch mentioned killing him today if he was alive and is dead, and his whole play has revolved around setup spec and his claim with little actual effort towards sorting, like you would expect from someone with an investigative role
In post 567, Springtrap wrote:Clem did call out my urge and habit of fake claiming. Perhaps scum took that to heart and assumed I was just a VT?

Well I (Springtrap) don't value a fake claim. I promise you that I'm a PT Cop.

Let's look at all the claims currently said and take notes.
last line feels especially bad, like okay ever1 do work but no work is done himself

trekkie scumread seems to have disappeared so i think it might be distancing

pretty sure ST is scum PT cop
I don't really agree with this, masons+PT Cop isn't a lot, as NM has pointed out, it's equivalent to a normal game that has been run before. And this game doesn't have more that we know yet, I'd call the neighbourhoods "less", because it is no mechanical utility for town and interferes with the PT Cop getting results.

And yes I do hate how Springtrap is not scumhunting right now, but I don't really want to lynch them today because of the risks behind lynching it. That having said, Springtrap, please give us some reads.
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Post Post #592 (isolation #52) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:27 am

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In post 590, PvtUrist wrote:I prefer a lynch on DD (EGL) over Ok today, not just off of EGL's ISO but also DD's
I kinda see where your DD read is coming from, but I feel like claiming prematurely is not a move scum makes so I'm now town leaning him.
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Post Post #594 (isolation #53) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:50 am

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UNVOTE: 0verki11

Ok no
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Post Post #618 (isolation #54) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:59 am

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In post 603, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 594, singletonking wrote:UNVOTE: 0verki11

Ok no
Bore
Yeah, no. I'm not letting you quickhammer, especially with the way Texcat jumped on the wagon
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Post Post #619 (isolation #55) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:10 am

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In post 613, Springtrap wrote:Great, the nonsensational Cow is after me. I can't even check you because of your "Masonry", remember? I have to look elsewhere.

The idea of killing your Town neighbor is a plausible one, particularly if you want to lie and say "they didn't use the neighborhood". But I dont think that's the correct solution here.
Springtrap, what are your reads?
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Post Post #620 (isolation #56) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:14 am

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VOTE: Trekkie99
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Post Post #638 (isolation #57) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:41 am

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In post 629, PvtUrist wrote:VOTE: Trekkie this is L-2
No, I believe that's actually L-1.

But I'm happy with this wagon.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #58) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:48 am

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Trekkie at L-2:
In post 625, Trekkie99 wrote:
In post 624, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 621, Trekkie99 wrote:
In post 617, Not_Mafia wrote: VOTE: Trekkie
LoL
VOTE: Trekkie
I dont actually know if my vote is here.
Wall coming sometime today.
LoL piss off.
In post 626, Trekkie99 wrote:
In post 625, Trekkie99 wrote:
In post 624, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 621, Trekkie99 wrote:
In post 617, Not_Mafia wrote: VOTE: Trekkie
LoL
VOTE: Trekkie
I dont actually know if my vote is here.
Wall coming sometime today.
LoL piss off.
NM reads and votes are BS in my opinion so I treat them as such. I'm not getting lynched for being whatever about a player who he himself is being whatever. That's bull shit.
Trekkie at L-1:
In post 635, Trekkie99 wrote:
In post 631, Not_Mafia wrote:Spock would never tell someone to piss off
Okay that's fair. :lol:
Trekkie is under a lot of pressure and suspicion but I don't see him bothering with the game, which strikes as really scummy for me. Instead of trying to figure out who's scum, he's intimidating people off his wagon. I'd expect town to be more concerned here.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #59) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:00 am

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Just a quick roadmap to let you guys know where I'm at:

Vorkuta is my strongest townread of the unconfirmed: the efforts he has made in trying to advance the game definitely feels like a townie trying to win.

Trekkie is now my strongest scumread because of his attitude to this game under pressure.

I'm also heavily leaning scum on Texcat for how she opportunistically she shows up in the thread.
I am swinging back to Overkill being town as well. I still feel that scum don't kill their neighbour that easily. I also think texcat/Overkill are definitely not buddies.

Between Delta and Jenga, I am not so sure. I'm currently leaning Jenga, but I'll have to reread.
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Post Post #641 (isolation #60) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:04 am

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Actually, I shouldn't be assuming Springtrap is town here.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #61) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:10 am

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Like all he's doing now is just making random setup comments and has not made a single effort at scumhunting. Like this is seriously scummy to me but based on how blatant this is I feel he's possibly just town who assumes his claim is conftown and he doesn't scumhunt which bugs me but some people just have this playstyle.

I think I still don't want to lynch Springtrap today
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Post Post #643 (isolation #62) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:11 am

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In post 601, Elbirn wrote:[2] Not_Mafia : Trekkie99, Springtrap
Why is this still a thing, though?

Springtrap and Trekkie, why are you still voting the claimed Mason?
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Post Post #649 (isolation #63) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:24 am

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UNVOTE: Trekkie

I'm kinda getting cold feet on the Trekkie wagon, given that the game has stalled and more than 24 hours have elapsed since him being put at L-1. Lack of resistance or discussion here suggests that scum is likely waiting for a mislynch to go through.
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Post Post #651 (isolation #64) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:28 am

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That having said, I'm still scumreading Trekkie by his play.
In post 645, Delta Diamond wrote:
In post 644, Trekkie99 wrote:I joke around a lot when I'm close to being lynched as town or scum. Under the assumption I'm town, who on my wagon is most likely to be scum?
if u were town here you’d be giving out reads instead of asking others to assume ur town

which ur not
^Agree with Delta here. Why are you asking everyone else to scumhunt while assuming you're town, while not doing so yourself?

Also, why are you still voting NM who Pvt has already claimed Mason with?
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Post Post #652 (isolation #65) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:46 am

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VOTE: texcat

I can go here for now. I still don't like how she jumped on Overkill.
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Post Post #676 (isolation #66) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:55 am

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In post 653, Springtrap wrote:I thought you all were clearing Overkill becayse of the neighborhood?

I've been on NotMaf because frankly I doubt it's a Masonry, but instead another Neighborhood that's claiming to be a Masonry since they'd automatically get hung if they also claimed to be neighbors.

That or they're scum.
That's silly, scum will never fakeclaim masons because it's too risky.

Also why does faking a neighbourhood as a masonry make them scum?
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Post Post #677 (isolation #67) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:06 am

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In post 656, texcat wrote:
In post 652, singletonking wrote:VOTE: texcat

I can go here for now. I still don't like how she jumped on Overkill.
First you didn't like how I tunneled Overkill, and now you don't like that I jumped on him. Can you have this both ways?

LOL. Sort of like you jumped off the Overkill wagon cause it was moving too fast and then you jumped off the Trekkie wagon cause it was moving too slow.
Yes. You partially gave townpoints to Overkill for the nightkill but retracted it when you saw the Overkill wagon.

Also the second part is inaccurate, I didn't jump off the wagon because the wagon was growing too slow, but because
the game
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Post Post #678 (isolation #68) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:10 am

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In post 657, Delta Diamond wrote:we have too people voting on masons and not scumhunting

those should be the only 2 wagons

take away st pr claim and it’s very scummy

if town has masons and neighbors and Neighborizer pt cop works just as well with town as scum, so we need to stop believing the claim and also letting him not do anything productive

believing the claim is something we disagree on, lack of useful play and strong stances should be something we all can nod yes

read ST iso as someone who isn’t claimed and tell me the read
Agreed that Springtrap is very scummy barring the claim. But are you willing to risk losing a town PR on the chance he's town?
Let him live a little more, it'll probably sort itself out
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Post Post #682 (isolation #69) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:38 am

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Eh deadline is in less than one day, I think we need to be getting close to a lynch here. I still like a Trekkie lynch
UNVOTE: texcat
VOTE: Trekkie99
L-1


Trekkie, claim
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Post Post #699 (isolation #70) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:50 am

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In post 684, Springtrap wrote:Clem didn't get a chance to claim.

VOTE: Trekkie

We wouldn't hang 2 PRs in a row, I think. No town is that horrible at reads.
Springtrap, why did you quickhammer yesterday?
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Post Post #701 (isolation #71) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:56 am

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Tbh I kinda regret setting Springtrap aside yesterday, I'm leaning towards lynching him today

This is potentially the Day before LyLo though so I definitely support massclaim
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Post Post #752 (isolation #72) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:54 am

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Sorry, busy day yesterday

I'll finish off the massclaim: I'm a VT.

Overkill, to be clear, you're a town Neighbour with no other abilities?
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Post Post #753 (isolation #73) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:01 am

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The massclaim holds me back on my Springtrap scumread
I mean on one hand, as mentioned, I don't get why Springtrap is still alive and not blocked

On the other hand, 2 Masons + Loud Visitor/Motion detector feels like too little town power
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Post Post #774 (isolation #74) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:13 am

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V/LA until 6 Feb
sorry
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Post Post #809 (isolation #75) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:02 am

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Hi I'm back

Why is Vork getting wagoned? He was my strongest townread of the unconfirmed.

Will properly catch up tomorrow
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Post Post #821 (isolation #76) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:54 am

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Sorry why is there a Vorkuta wagon again
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Post Post #824 (isolation #77) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:08 am

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Vorkuta has been one of my strongest townreads since Day 1, given that he has given the most attempts to advance the game, especially when the game stalls. I can only see that as pro-town

Why is pushing Springtrap scummy?
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Post Post #825 (isolation #78) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:11 am

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Although it's something to consider, given that I'm now seeing DD as town which points to the scumteam being Jenga/texcat/Overkill
And I don't see texcat and Overkill being both scum here.
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Post Post #837 (isolation #79) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:43 am

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Sorry I have not been feeling Mafia recently
I was also unexpectely busy the past few days

Currently leaning towards a Texcat lynch
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Post Post #845 (isolation #80) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:57 am

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Oh dear we have 1.5 days left

I don't have much time now so I'll come back tomorrow to try to solve the game
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Post Post #846 (isolation #81) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:02 am

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I just tried enumerating possibilities in my head
With my current townreads on DD and Vork, and setup spec townread on Springtrap, this leaves Jenga, Texcat and 0verki11. But I still feel like texcat and Overkill aren't buddies.

Something's wrong with my reads, so I'll be rereading tomorrow. Springtrap's iso overall still sucks and maybe he's scum, but I'll need to check.
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Post Post #847 (isolation #82) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:04 am

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Also Gamma's defintiely town here because the only way he's scum is if Springtrap is also scum, which makes no sense with the balance.
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Post Post #849 (isolation #83) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:19 am

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Uh ok
I understand why Vork is coming under some fire today, that when he realised the lynchpool has shrunk he suddenly needs to find other lynches.
And I'm coming around to that reasoning.
Except,
I've found Vorkuta early game to be protown, making all efforts to solve and advance the game, listing certain reads and laying out game plans in general. And put together, I still don't feel what Vorkuta has done today outweighs the town things he's done early game.

What do you think about all this?
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Post Post #861 (isolation #84) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:46 am

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Hi I'm here.
I'm still in the middle of my reread.

Right now I think I'm fine with a Texcat lynch, because it seems that she's not really interested in scumhunting even though it's the day before LyLo. But I want to make sure I'm not missing anything
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Post Post #862 (isolation #85) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:48 am

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On reread I don't really like EGL
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Post Post #863 (isolation #86) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:54 am

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And while DD has shown he is trying to find scum today I feel a bit badly towards his declining activity
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Post Post #864 (isolation #87) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:00 am

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Also I slept on it and I really think Springtrap is town here no matter what
Like
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1 Mafia Goon/Neighbour
1 Mafia PT Cop
2 Town Mason
1 Town Loud Visitor/Motion Detector
1 Town Neighbour
1 Town Neighbouriser
1 Town Neighbour/VT
4 VT

Seems like too little town power. Neighbouriser is not town power here, Masons are clears and Gamma is a role that is a VERY weak investigative, and he may be able to conditionally confirm himself as town. Compare against the baseline that 3 Mafia vs 3 Masons is considered balanced.
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Post Post #865 (isolation #88) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:03 am

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And my biggest counterpoint to that was that scum would have killed or blocked Springtrap if he was town, which did not happen, and because of this I was confused for a long time. I also disagree that scum kept Spring alive for WIFOM, because it's not worth it.

But then a thought popped into my head: What if scum weren't afraid of Spring, and they're leaving him alive because of it?

Which I think may be a point for 0verki11 scum
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Post Post #867 (isolation #89) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:34 am

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Who other than Overkill is scum?
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Post Post #868 (isolation #90) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 am

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Idk... Texcat is really scummy but looking at their iso I don't think they're scum with overkill and there's a lot pointing to Overkill scum as well.
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Post Post #870 (isolation #91) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:52 am

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Ok I think DD is likely town because his posts early this Day are really gamesolvey regardless of his play outside
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Post Post #871 (isolation #92) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:52 am

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Unfortunately I don't have enough time right now

I'll be back before deadline
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Post Post #911 (isolation #93) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:51 pm

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Hmmm. I still don't think Springtrap is scum, and Delta Diamond looks like caught scum

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Post Post #918 (isolation #94) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:11 pm

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So I kinda forgot the game was happening, but I've played this setup a couple times in sitechat before, (and modded them, too) and usually it doesn't matter who gets lynched first, just because if you get town, you get a confirmed townie, and most of the time by the first couple minutes based on who's working with who and so on and so forth. I saw the votecount and it looked like it was him or you. I knew if I voted you I'd either get scum and p much win, or I'd get town and you'd shoot him (killing scum). That's how it goes pretty much every time. So I flipped a coin that would only land heads up.

I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with SS3 (and also every time I skim this I think townies are perma one-shot lynchproof) which is why I posted like I did at beginning of day 2. I know you know I'm town, cuz if you didn't think I was, you'd have shot me yesterday. Let's lynch RC and win this thing for the homies?
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Post Post #925 (isolation #95) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:49 pm

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Oh, I think this is my first scum win ever
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Post Post #931 (isolation #96) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:10 pm

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Yeah I don't know how Springtrap magicked his way out of the lynch D1
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Post Post #939 (isolation #97) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:34 pm

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Mastina what did you have in mind when you designed the setup
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