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Post Post #21 (isolation #0) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:31 pm

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Post Post #29 (isolation #1) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:49 pm

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VOTE: EmperorFlippyNips
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Post Post #30 (isolation #2) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:50 pm

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Why'd you wait and then vote someone who hasn't posted?
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Post Post #53 (isolation #3) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:05 am

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In post 32, Emperor flippyNips wrote:I don’t think there’s anything scummy about that. They should be here eventually
There's nothing scummy about voting someone at random in you first post or two if the game's still around page 1, maybe 2 in a large game.

But you didn't, you waited, and with plenty of people to interact with you chose to vote someone who wasn't around. Why was that?
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Post Post #63 (isolation #4) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:09 am

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In post 61, Vedith wrote:
In post 60, Lovebird wrote:Wow, super scummy
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Is this you agreeing with Lovebird's statement?
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Post Post #64 (isolation #5) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:13 am

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In post 6, Vedith wrote:Hi, im Vedith and this is my first game of Mafia.
I'm a little nervous so please go easy on me and don't vote me.

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Also @Vedith, what are you doing with your vote right now?

Quick skim of your iso to this point looks like active lurking
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Post Post #70 (isolation #6) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:03 am

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In post 45, Emperor flippyNips wrote:
In post 33, Dannflor wrote:Don't like the addition of "don't think there's anything scummy about that"

Is town so concerned with their actions being perceived as scummy, esp this early on over something so little?

Why did you choose to naked vote someone who hasn't posted yet as opposed to interacting with someone who has? It's true that they will be there eventually but you haven't given them anything to react to/produce content with

I mean it’s just RVS I wanted to vote someone who hadn’t been voted yet
In post 69, Emperor flippyNips wrote:
In post 53, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 32, Emperor flippyNips wrote:I don’t think there’s anything scummy about that. They should be here eventually
There's nothing scummy about voting someone at random in you first post or two if the game's still around page 1, maybe 2 in a large game.

But you didn't, you waited, and with plenty of people to interact with you chose to vote someone who wasn't around. Why was that?

I mean it was on page two, the very top so it almost made page one. Anyways I was just being lazy and didn’t feel like looking at everyone’s name to see who I wanted to RVS.


To answer your second question.
RANDOM
I'll concede it was basically page 1 (post 26, and the mod took the pagetop) but first you said you wanted to vote someone who hadn't been voted yet, then you said random, so which is it?

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Post Post #72 (isolation #7) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:21 am

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In post 71, RadiantCowbells wrote:Flippynips wagon is bad
Why tho?
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Post Post #80 (isolation #8) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:51 am

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In post 79, Dannflor wrote:Emperor's responses have been very town
Since he said random, then that he wanted to vote someone who hadn't been voted yet, then random again... his vote is baseless and Lovebird is town. That's a complete 360 right there.
How the hell do you get Lovebird is town from that

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Post Post #82 (isolation #9) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:53 am

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I guess text selection and Q+ doesn't work on mobile the same as desktop :(

Only meant to quote Dann's question
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Post Post #84 (isolation #10) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:58 am

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In post 83, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 79, Dannflor wrote:How the hell do you get Lovebird is town from that
If Lovebird turns out to be scumbird then I will be very surprised.

Especially now since there are scumreads floating around and the vote isn't even pretending to be a scumread.
Scumreads floating around who, Lovebird?

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Post Post #90 (isolation #11) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:38 am

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Ok flippy, I'm satisfied for now.

VOTE: TemporalLich
This guy's jumped on 2 wagons using other people's args twice and he said I was towny so he's next up
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Post Post #91 (isolation #12) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:38 am

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I said 2 and twice -.\
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Post Post #95 (isolation #13) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:26 pm

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No followup, I've decided to sort you later/indirectly because you appear to be posting in character
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Post Post #106 (isolation #14) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:03 pm

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In post 100, Slaxx wrote:
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Lovebird (2):
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@mod is this accurate? Lovebird has 2 votes and EFN is the only one voting them?
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Post Post #115 (isolation #15) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:43 pm

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In post 112, Mary Saotome wrote:
In post 53, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 32, Emperor flippyNips wrote:I don’t think there’s anything scummy about that. They should be here eventually
There's nothing scummy about voting someone at random in you first post or two if the game's still around page 1, maybe 2 in a large game.

But you didn't, you waited, and with plenty of people to interact with you chose to vote someone who wasn't around. Why was that?
It's certainly normal to make votes early like RVS. My question is why are you grilling someone on it for doing something out of the normal. That's more likely to come from town duhhhh.
I think you might need to reread EFN and I in iso. To answer your question, I'm sorting. I thought that was obvious... I disagree with that last bit.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #16) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:31 pm

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In post 116, Mary Saotome wrote:Your tone comes off more so as accusing then it does sorting and asking questions. That could be my mistake! Hard to read tone.
I was accusing. I think being directly confronted makes people more transparent, and thus easier to sort. I kept an open mind though and I think I have started to form more accurate reads than I had before the accusations.
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Could be either, I think it remains to be seen.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #18) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:06 am

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In post 140, Hopkirk wrote:VOTE: Gamma
I don't like Lich.
In post 144, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 142, Dannflor wrote:
In post 139, Hopkirk wrote:@Mary: what would you have considered to be a legitimate, not just ‘convenient’ reason for Dan to vote Emperor? The phrasing ‘convenient’ feels odd.
I never voted for Emperor
*to dislike emperor
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Then why not vote lich jw
I want to develop a read on Gamma.
{Lich, Hopkirk, (?)}

Lich Hopkirk seems too obvious, but maybe it's that easy. Yesterday had too many scumreads to focus on Hopkirk so I wanted to watch his play.

I still think we TLTL here. Turbo Lynch Temporal Lich, that is. But gotta see Xwing when monday rolls around
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Post Post #200 (isolation #19) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:08 am

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In post 195, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 193, Dannflor wrote:
In post 190, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because I want to give her a chance to respond.
What about voting her doesn't give a chance to respond? She's not a major wagon or at L-1. At this stage your vote should be on someone
Her response could change my mind, so I didn't vote yet.
Are you scared of what it would look like if you voted someone because you were suspicious and then changed your mind and unvoted after your suspicions were assuaged?
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Woof I got a pagetop
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Post Post #220 (isolation #21) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:56 pm

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In post 213, Dannflor wrote:I don't see #18 as that awkward

You prompted me to look at the timing of the post though, and Lich hops from the DDL wagon from an equal sized wagon on Emperor. I don't see the scum motivation behind doing that and possibly drawing attention to himself, unless DDL/Lich are buddies but I'm not sure that makes sense. Maybe it is just awkward town.

You've convinced me vedith

UNVOTE: Lich
VOTE: Hopkirk

I don't see how Hopkirk expects his vote to help him get a better read on Gamma when he asked Gamma no questions about his actions
Size isn't all that matters with those wagons. If my reads are correct, emperor's wagon was 2 town pushing hard on another town, and scum!TL could see that as an oportunity to get onto a wagon with traction for free, whereas the DDL wagon was comprised of RVS/insubstantive votes. Do your Hopkirk thing, but that's the scum motivation I can see.
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Post Post #289 (isolation #22) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:37 am

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In post 266, RadiantCowbells wrote:Wolfy reaction btw
Btw^

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Post Post #290 (isolation #23) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:00 am

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Reserving judgment on xwing for now. Getting to your question on Hopkirk still Mary.
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Post Post #293 (isolation #24) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:33 am

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First off I think TL Hop together is too obvious a pairing, not that Hop is obvscum. The main thing making me think TL and Hopkirk is too obvious is that Hop is talking about lynching TL but not voting him. It feels like he's preparing to bus if needed, but isn't committed to it. The more I voice these thoughts aloud to myself the sillier they sound though, and I think I'm wrong about the bus theory.

I had an early nullscum on Hop from a gut feeling on his entrance, and wanted to see how he played.

I didn't like something he did but I've noticed it's something he's done twice now which makes me think it's playstyle and probably NAI. I'm not ready to disclose what I'm talking about because I'm still working on sorting him.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #25) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:43 am

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In post 288, Vedith wrote:
In post 259, RadiantCowbells wrote:@Vedith i do not read you as scum but if you're going to hard defend a wolf i will probably want you lynched sometime before endgame. nothing personnel, kid, but this is ick.
Considering we both know exactly how i'd react to this kind of comment. It makes me question your motives for doing so.

Lich townlock.
I'm assuming Lich townlock is coming from you thinking RC has scum motivation behind making that comment, and because RC is trying to lynch TL you lock him.

You're still voting Gamma though if I'm not mistaken. Do you think they're scum together? What do you make of the motives for the other votes against TL, aside from RC's vote?
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Post Post #325 (isolation #26) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:38 am

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Pagetop woof
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Post Post #336 (isolation #27) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:41 am

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Gamma Emerald (2):
Vedith (104), Hopkirk (140),
TemporalLich(4):
RadiantCowbells (77), ssbm_Kyouko (90), Lovebird (92), Dann
DrDolittle(1):
Emperor flippyNips (157)
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Hopkirk
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Yumeko
(2) - DDL, Gamma

Not Voting (1):
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Post Post #342 (isolation #28) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:59 am

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In post 333, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 332, RadiantCowbells wrote:Since some people are trying to fight the obvscum lynch I guess I'll engage with this

How is assuming that you're going to be the lynch when you're already the largest wagon scummy for me? What's my scum motivation going after you? How does something not being Towny necessarily make me auto scumlock?
That's pretty much neutral play. But the chance of you meaning I'm the NK target is where the scumread goldmine is.

Also before that I already was registering you as scum so w/e

Scumlock for safety now.
If RC is scum (doubtful) who are his buddies?
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Post Post #346 (isolation #29) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:20 am

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Lich had 3 votes, Gamma was the one with 4 in the last official VC
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Post Post #347 (isolation #30) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:21 am

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SKs aren't in normals are they? Been a while since I've been on site
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Post Post #348 (isolation #31) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:23 am

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For arguments sake though, you think SK!RC would try to lead a lynch day 1 and risk getting NKed that night or lynched the next day?
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Post Post #354 (isolation #32) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:35 am

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In post 350, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 348, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:For arguments sake though, you think SK!RC would try to lead a lynch day 1 and risk getting NKed that night or lynched the next day?
No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?
No, I think it is explicitly against 3rd party's wincon to draw attention to themselves by leading a wagon regardless of the alignment of the lynchee.

I think you don't have any legitimate scumreads and your wagon won't gain traction at this point because you're scum and your partners are unwilling to bus you so early on. When the official VC comes you'll probably hit L-2 if xwing doesn't change his mind about you.

Your ISO lacks scumhunting and your voting patterns suggest you are voting for anyone who looks like a viable counterwagon to yourself.
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Post Post #361 (isolation #33) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:57 am

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In post 161, TemporalLich wrote:Emperor, Dannflor, DrDolittle, and Gamma all register as "potentially scum" to me.
This is the only mention of Gamma in TL's ISO at the time he voted him.
In post 167, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 162, Dannflor wrote:Why Emperor? You have to justify it more than his RVS vote.
I looked at his ISO and his reason for his scumread doesn't hold up anymore.

Lovebird is still "potentially town" though.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
This is the post in which TL voted Gamma. I don't think he had a legitimate reason to scumreads or vote him here. Gamma was the largest competing wagon to TL at the time. Before his vote was placed, it was Gamma with 2 votes and TL with 4 votes.

TL's first vote was RVS. His third and current vote is an OMGUS against RC. He's not voting based on reads, rather on what is convenient for him.
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Post Post #386 (isolation #34) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:49 pm

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@xwing, in your 377, when you said creature, who did you mean? I'm assuming RC by context?
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Post Post #470 (isolation #35) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:18 pm

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I'm okay with a hammer once people like yumeko, mary, and EFN have had a chance to catch up.
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Post Post #488 (isolation #36) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:44 pm

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In post 485, TemporalLich wrote:If I'm the D1 hammer, just know that RC is probably scum.

In the 1% chance that we have RadiantTownbells, town should do a double take.
TL still not saying much to reverse my decision
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