A Simple Question on Permanence
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I think I would be even more against the death penalty if everyone was immortal
If you execute a wrongly convicted man with 40 years left on his life, that's a lesser injustice than if he had a million years left on his life
and we would need new, better methods of rehabilitation, but even that doesn't mean everyone could be rehabilitated
some people would need locking up for a very long time.103-11 0-2- u r a person 2
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Not trying to hijack the convoIn post 17, PvtUrist wrote:
By biology, men were more expendable, hence this.In post 16, u r a person 2 wrote: We prioritize rescuing children over old people "Women and children first"
Also women, but that's old fashioned chivalry (sexism)103-11 0-2- u r a person 2
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Can you think of any other scenario where stealing a lesser amount of something creates the same sense of loss as stealing a greater amount of that same something?
If I steal half the money in your bank account, I've done less harm then if I steal all the money.
If I ruin half of your day, that's less egregious than if I were to ruin all of your day.
If I burn down half of your house, it will cost less to repair than if the whole thing is reduced to ash.
There are some instances where taking a part of something makes the entire thing worthless. For instance, if I were to remove from your possession half of your private key for your crypto that would render the entire amount useless. But even in this case, I've effectively removed all of it from your possession.103-11 0-2- u r a person 2
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I'm not looking to do anyone harm. It's all hypotheticals. Your forest fire point is not bad, but I think it's a lot more like grooming than damage. I cut my toenails. If I didn't, I might get a hangnail or an ingrown nail. But I would never call cutting my toenails self-harm.In post 21, Oso wrote:How about do no harm and not try to quantify the amount the amount of harm you are doing.
The rest of your post, while a fun read, is beyond what I'm interested in discussing right this second. If you want to discuss the point you originally asked me to explain, I would be happy to join you. Otherwise, I wish you luck in finding someone to discuss your ideas with.103-11 0-2- u r a person 2
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And I congratulate you on your attempt! But I'm not going to discuss and evaluate all of the many assumptions you've made in order to get to the next stage of the discussion.
Now, I take what you're saying to mean that life is in a category all it's own, and that there is no way to differentiate the value of one life over another
But killing a fly is legal regardless of your motives. Killing a dog is illegal if your motives are sadistic, but legal for reasons of population control, to prevent the animal's suffering, and in self defense. Killing a human is only legal in self defense.
So clearly, as a society we have found a way to differentiate the value of different lives. I don't think it's a large leap from here to differentiating between different human lives. I'm not using this as an argument to justify greater harm against any human being. Let me remind you of my motivation for the argument. I think it would be more of an injustice to wrongly execute a man with a million years left in his life than a man with a far shorter life expectancy. Both are injustices. I'm against the death penalty for mortals. I'm more against the death penalty for immortals.103-11 0-2- u r a person 2
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