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Post Post #31 (isolation #0) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:56 pm

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VOTE: PvtUrist
are you scum this game?
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Post Post #32 (isolation #1) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:00 pm

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Out of curiosity- does town require proof that they're actually neighbors? Or do we take that at face value?
Idk- getting both of them to post some random copypasta at exactly HH:MM:SS to confirm that they have access to neighbor-exclusive chat?
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Post Post #35 (isolation #2) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:07 pm

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Wishful thinking: if they can't prove it, then we have 2 liars in our town and the game is more or less solved :mrgreen:
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Post Post #39 (isolation #3) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:18 pm

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In post 36, Munchmellow wrote:we should copy paste sth from our private thread
:facepalm: No no, nothing of the sort.
Instead- USE the neighbor chat to coordinate something (idk- post like the same random 20 digit number, the first/last half of a random sentence/quote, left/right half of an image...) that can't otherwise be done using town/general chat.
In post 38, Munchmellow wrote:or just S+S lying about neighborhood.
Yes- it would solve that issue (again- wishful thinking- if only mafia were that easy :mrgreen: ), but it would ALSO guarantee at least one town between the two of you.
and it'll be hilarious
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Post Post #51 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:37 am

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In post 42, Munchmellow wrote:we have a private thread
Well shoot- didn't exactly think that one through... scumchat and neighbourchat are both PT's :facepalm:
In post 45, singletonking wrote:fakeclaiming it is just silly as it's confirmable
In post 39, Vorkuta wrote:wishful thinking
On the 0.1% off-chance that they don't have a PT, it might be worth wondering why someone who's town aligned would lie to us.

But here's my reasoning-
if
when they can verify, I'm more than willing to take a leap of faith and assume that this isn't S&S because a 1st page neighborhood claim and over-committing to such a bluff this early on just isn't a scum winning strategy in my eyes, as so many things can go wrong in a closed setup like this.
As for T&S or T&T- Munch feels townie with pointing out the obvious flaws in my plan and seeing as Overkill made the claim 10 posts in I'll buy it and say he's also town for the same reasons as above. = T&T
Ofc the guy still has only 1 post so like.... nothing's set in stone
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Post Post #72 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:10 am

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I have issue with that logic
-what's the difference between a S/S hood and..... you know.... normal... scum?
-the only case where I can THINK of that being relevant is if this is a game where scum requires an encryptor to day chat (not stated in these rules)
In post 1, Elbirn wrote:-The Mafia private thread will be open during both day and night phases
-from what I gather in open ~13 player games, there are MORE than 2 scum
obviously I'm town so I wouldn't know for sure :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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So 2 scum are in a neighborhood and the other guys.... aren't...? My head does not comprehend such a scenario.

Now I doubt (gut instinct) that scum sat down, took the time to break down the potential (also unknown- this is a closed setup) risks/hazards/PR intervention and decided that this was a winning play (by post #10 no less). In this case I'd rather underestimate rather than assume this is an insane gambit they're pulling off.
In post 71, Jenga wrote:casts frostbolt
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Post Post #74 (isolation #6) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:21 am

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In post 51, Vorkuta wrote:As for T&S or T&T- Munch feels townie with pointing out the obvious flaws in my plan and seeing as Overkill made the claim 10 posts in I'll buy it and say he's also town for the same reasons as above. = T&T
Ofc the guy still has only 1 post so like.... nothing's set in stone
I'll be acting under the assumption that both are town for the time being, provided overkill doesn't completely wreck that impression when he comes back.
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Post Post #92 (isolation #7) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:15 pm

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In post 83, texcat wrote:The only way your actions make sense to me is if you are scum.
A scum neighbor or just scum in general? :mrgreen:

I agree with munch's reasoning that giving up a 'secret neighborchat PT' in exchange for a 33% T&S/S&T/T&T is pro town in general, especially if the two of you aren't going to use it to coordinate big plays. I don't give overkill scum points for doing it so early/by post 10.
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Post Post #98 (isolation #8) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:34 pm

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In post 96, Gamma Emerald wrote:Shade noted
To be fair, this is urist regardless of whether he's town or scum.
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Post Post #104 (isolation #9) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:29 pm

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In post 99, Trekkie99 wrote:one of the neighbors
Hypothetically, assuming you had your way, which one?

And guys- as dumb and ridiculous as #99 sounds, I think it comes from newb!town, not scum.
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Post Post #123 (isolation #10) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:35 am

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So trekkie- are you DEAD SET on the neighborhood being T&S?
I'm leaning toward T&T, while I think it's up in the air for most other people- that's why a green flip won't give us a lot.
Also
In post 104, Vorkuta wrote:Hypothetically, assuming you had your way, which one?
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Post Post #129 (isolation #11) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:11 am

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VOTE: Clemency
Negativity, @not moving the self-vote.

I think we're in a decent spot with our neighbors out and people for/against
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Post Post #131 (isolation #12) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:49 am

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I'm listening if you have something to say
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Post Post #177 (isolation #13) » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:24 am

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So do you still stand by your previous idea, or do you admit that it looks bad/scummy?
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Post Post #182 (isolation #14) » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:35 pm

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I want to know if he still stands by his neighborhood push or not.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #15) » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:44 pm

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I've already sad I read him as newb!town, not scum- do I also have to give him stuff on a silver platter as well?
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Post Post #201 (isolation #16) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:42 am

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So uh... where did this town go?
If activity doesn't pick up, I'm going to have to stir the pot myself and I'm sure no one wants that
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Post Post #204 (isolation #17) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:34 pm

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@MOD

The rules don't say anything about prods or inactivity.
Is that because this game follows more or less sitewide (36hrs, 3 unresponded prods you're out) rules?
If so giff
incentives to post
pokes please!
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Post Post #242 (isolation #18) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:02 pm

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Ok ladies and gents- I think it's time to get something resembling a wagon going as the current vote count looks.... bad, and everyone seems content to play passively and more or less "fluff" post until the end of the day.

VOTE: Springtrap for at the very "best" being the most apathetic and townie (with Clemency being a close second which is why I parked my vote on him previously)
In post 147, Springtrap wrote:Even half reading this game as I am
In post 203, Springtrap wrote:It may increase my posting
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Post Post #248 (isolation #19) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:42 pm

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In post 243, EGL wrote:because they seem townie?
Uh.... no...?

By 'at best' I mean the BEST CASE scenario (which I think is rather unlikely).
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Post Post #250 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:42 pm

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I mean... it wasn't really 'parking'- the guy came in, started being all negative, basically read like "scum being displeased at town being able to do townie things". responded to scumreads with 'bite me', and 90% of his posts are fluff and filler.

If there's a Clemency wagon, I'd be more than willing to support it, but right now I'm for the Springtrap wagon as I think it can gain more momentum sooner, and might lead to more interesting things.
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Post Post #259 (isolation #21) » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:06 am

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Guys- use them Vote tags more liberally please!
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Post Post #264 (isolation #22) » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:49 pm

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How may I help and what needs clarification?

I generally view apathy as anti-town. Springtrap straight up admits 'meh' and 'bah'.
Clemency is just as bad, (#250 for why) but I'd like a Springtrap wagon.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #23) » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:33 pm

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K so I'm open to ideas on how to make this game slightly more interesting.
My current thoughts are
-Random Claims
-Random Bandwagons
-Random Drama/Tunelling

I do understand the feeling of "I'll wait for someone else to do something fun and then, oh boy, and THEN I'll join in"
But at this rate with people skirting by 1 halfhearted post a day (guilty as well :P), we'll have to do a hurried/uninformed lynch (which will probably boil down to policy-ing the most inactive player) and we'll be just as lost come D-2.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #24) » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:31 pm

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I mean if there's a brave enough soul who wants to claim
or fake claim
, or we collectively
bully
encourage someone to claim, then that should spark some discussion and allegiances no?
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Post Post #272 (isolation #25) » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:25 pm

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Claiming was one option to make the game more interesting. Ok- it doesn't fly.

However we already have a neighborhood and two
very serious
Flying Pumpkin claims so....
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Post Post #284 (isolation #26) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:57 am

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Yeah notmafia- would you like to um... write literally anything while you're at it?
Are you caught up with the game or did you 'see wagon, jump on wagon'?

Else (fair warning), you have quite a bit of scum points from me (and probably everyone else tbh).
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Post Post #289 (isolation #27) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:04 pm

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Unfortunately

-Objectively the case we have against NotMafia is that he has only 2 posts so far.
OBVIOUSLY he's going to reply eventually and if his reply has literally any substance in it: 'oh all is forgiven!' or something.
I mean I don't think we need to park a wagon on him just to get him to say literally anything.

-@texcat
from what I understand, you dislike THE WAY he posted- it was done too early, without any consideration to how the neighborhood might be used, or without any discussion with his neighbor partner, and that's why you scum read him. If there's any more to your argument do share.

Still willing to support a Clemency wagon.
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Post Post #293 (isolation #28) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:24 pm

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What's NM going to do- not say anything at all?
Do you want us all to just stop the springtrap momentum to deal with NM?
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Post Post #304 (isolation #29) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:17 pm

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UNVOTE: Springtrap

Only because I'm extremely wary of him being at L-1 and I'm worried about a random turbo lynch.
But what the hell are posts #299 and #301. For real?

And Not_Mafia- are you trolling us?
Because I don't like trolls.
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Post Post #305 (isolation #30) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:21 pm

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In post 299, Springtrap wrote:advised by my family members
Can't tell if out of control FNaF roleplay or actual constructive in-game information...
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Post Post #357 (isolation #31) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:06 pm

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Not_Mafia: Do you want to get policy'd? Because that's how you get policy'd.

You can't deny the fact that you've given us NOTHING this game and I'm not really reassured that you'll do a 180 and begin to help town.
Could you kindly provide substance please? You full well understand that if we have to, we'll use our votes to get but the deadline is creeping up.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #32) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:51 am

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In post 363, Munchmellow wrote:I believe Springtrap for now and won't be voting him. And if he is full of shit we could still lynch him D2.
I mean I agree and as clem and NM are more annoying so VOTE: Clemency

So question: are we holding him to his promise of
In post 303, Springtrap wrote:so I'll wait until 12 hours are left to give my reads and claim
He already effectively soft-claimed with
In post 322, Springtrap wrote:Not claiming today so I don't die, besides that I'm important enough and that if I'm around day 2 this'll be an easier game.
I can hyper analyze and try to process of elimination this entire statement (i.e: around day 2? not day 3? is it a one-shot role? what about town backups? is he bluffing and will he find a way to postpone his claim tomorrow? blah blah and so on)
But I'm sure that the more experienced players already did the legwork on this one.

And as for
In post 367, 0verki11 wrote:PLs are anti town as fuck
Well Not_Mafia is being anti-town as fuck and I hope that the 2 negatives will make a positive :mrgreen:
On a serious note- do you think town has any chance of winning with HIM around Lylo?

@Guys who have played with Not_Mafia before: does he uh... like... do townie things later on in the game?
Hypothetically if he rolled a PR, will he actually use his powers and.... you know.... come D4 actually speak up about anything that isn't his mixtape?
Hell if he rolled a PR, would he actually night PM the mod asking to USE his night powers?

Also I just got it because this game is MIXTAPE mafia[
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Post Post #371 (isolation #33) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:02 pm

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@All of you- get off the Springtrap wagon, and put your votes someplace more town friendly please.
He's probably going to be NK'd today, and if he makes it through then at least we have a game plan (or something to go on) come D2.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #34) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:32 pm

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In post 377, Clemency wrote:really when you think about it n_m is just me with all the fluff cut out
Which is my vote's still on you :mrgreen:
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Post Post #380 (isolation #35) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:33 pm

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*why
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Post Post #390 (isolation #36) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:26 am

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Dammit- so little time left and it looks like we won't able to
In post 385, 0verki11 wrote:lynch a scumread
In post 388, singletonking wrote:why is Springtrap town?
He all but claimed something """useful for town""". Lynching that is anti-town, and if he's lying/doesn't deliver then I wonder what we should do with him come D-2/D-3. It's a win-win provided he makes it through the night.

And can someone please answer this for me
In post 369, Vorkuta wrote:@Guys who have played with Not_Mafia before: does he uh... like... do townie things later on in the game?
Hypothetically if he rolled a PR, will he actually use his powers and.... you know.... come D4 actually speak up about anything that isn't his mixtape?
Hell if he rolled a PR, would he actually night PM the mod asking to USE his night powers?
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Post Post #394 (isolation #37) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:30 am

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VOTE: Trekkie
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Post Post #398 (isolation #38) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:40 am

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What the hell you two?
I was trying to see if I could communicate with the guy and here you go putting Trekkie at L-2.
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Post Post #404 (isolation #39) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:54 am

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Holy shit he actually plays the game... somewhat.
UNVOTE: Trekkie because as I've already said
In post 104, Vorkuta wrote:I think it comes from newb!town, not scum.
And my vote on him was to see
-what (if anything) would happen and
-whether Not_Mafia has a pulse

VOTE: Clemency for the same reasons and I've stated before, only this time also add wagon hopping
Also I view both Clemency and Not_Mafia as equally useless (you know what I'm trying to say with this :P ), but at least I actually have a chuckle whenever I read his posts.
In post 390, Vorkuta wrote: And can someone please answer this for me
In post 369, Vorkuta wrote:@Guys who have played with Not_Mafia before: does he uh... like... do townie things later on in the game?
Hypothetically if he rolled a PR, will he actually use his powers and.... you know.... come D4 actually speak up about anything that isn't his mixtape?
Hell if he rolled a PR, would he actually night PM the mod asking to USE his night powers?
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Post Post #457 (isolation #40) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:34 pm

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In post 451, Elbirn wrote:Welcome,
Clemency
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You are a .

At any time, you may talk with your neighborhood in
this private topic
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So... overkill... you uh forgot to mention Clemency?
Or were there 2 unrelated/separate "neighborhoods"?

And springtrap- let's hear what you have for us
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Post Post #467 (isolation #41) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:07 am

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In post 458, Springtrap wrote:No PT. So unless he's a traitor
Just to be 100% clear- the action was resolved yes? (i.e- no roleblocking/asceticism/whatever took place)

Also another question- can neighbors (the ones that start out neighbors- not the ones that are invited by neighbors) have a power on top of that?
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Post Post #468 (isolation #42) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:13 am

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I'm also really confused as to what happened at Day 1 end with the mass movement to the clemency wagon after I went back on it.
Urist, and EGL (also texcat, but they've stated # and Not_Mafia but........) want to say something as you kind of haven't shown any anti-clem feelings until the very last minute?

Why did the Not_Mafia wagon go through?
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Post Post #469 (isolation #43) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:16 am

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*not go through- Not_mafia having a not in his name made me question everything about double negatives
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Post Post #472 (isolation #44) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:02 am

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In post 471, Trekkie99 wrote:Out of nowhere I racked up a ton of votes
I feel responsible for that bit- I was in a stage of shock after discovering what kind of player subbed into the game and NO ONE was answering my questions about him.
Not_Mafia voted for you first and I voted
In post 404, Vorkuta wrote:to see
-what (if anything) would happen and
-whether Not_Mafia has a pulse
What the hell happened AFTER I put my vote back on clem makes my head hurt.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #45) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:08 am

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@EGL
In post 470, EGL wrote:there was Clem saying he knew 100% someone was town, although with the revelation that he's a neighborizer...
In post 327, Clemency wrote:he's town though
100% guarantee
In post 458, Springtrap wrote:I'm a PT Cop
I don't follow.
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Post Post #477 (isolation #46) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:48 am

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I think that's the design/gimmick this game: making it revolve around neighborhoods and to see whether the 2(?) hoods can be used to outwit scum.
Of course 1 hood outing themselves immediately and then town killing a (the only?) neighboriser kind of seems... not in the spirit of said game.... (not trying to outhink the mod here)

Ok- another line of questioning @trekkie
In post 99, Trekkie99 wrote:and depending on their flip we can get a better idea on what the remaining neighbor's allegiance is. For example if we lynch one and he flips scum, we can consider it more likely that the remaining neighbor could be town, and visa-versa. Of course if the neighbor we lynch flips town, we wouldn't automatically lynch the other neighbor, we would just simply keep in mind that there could be a higher chance of the remaining neighbor being scum
Still stands?
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Post Post #492 (isolation #47) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:30 pm

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I mean my in gamephilosophy is that scum plays to win.
Because none of you would actually replh to me regarding NM's play, I can only assume that he'd play better if he's scum.
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Post Post #501 (isolation #48) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:13 pm

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This is the 4th time I'm trying to get someone to answer me on this.
In post 369, Vorkuta wrote:@Guys who have played with Not_Mafia before: does he uh... like... do townie things later on in the game?
Hypothetically if he rolled a PR, will he actually use his powers and.... you know.... come D4 actually speak up about anything that isn't his mixtape?
Hell if he rolled a PR, would he actually night PM the mod asking to USE his night powers?
He has 10 threads worth of games and I can't fine PR NM or scum NM play.
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Post Post #505 (isolation #49) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:20 pm

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I've read that- now I'd like the input of some OTHER PLAYERS who've dealt with him.

In the absence of other player's meta explanation of N_M, I'm left to use my own scum hunting tools to try and sort him.
As I've said before, I don't think scum can afford to do whatever it is N_M is doing this game and... you know... expect to win.
That's why I view this instance of 'being bad' as a townie (regardless of how annoying/obstructionist/anti-town he's actually being)
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Post Post #511 (isolation #50) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:03 pm

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I'll go out and say it- night action claim?
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Post Post #531 (isolation #51) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:01 am

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Mason Bourne?

So how many PTs do we have this game?
Overkill+Munch hood
Clem... hood? Do neighborizers start solo? His role PM wasn't very clear
NM Urist Masonry
Aaaand scum (assuming 3)

Which gives us roughly 8/13 people in PTs (ofc the neighbors could be scum, and there might be more people who haven't claimed)
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Post Post #551 (isolation #52) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:28 pm

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In post 369, Vorkuta wrote:@Guys who have played with Not_Mafia before: does he uh... like... do townie things later on in the game?
Hypothetically if he rolled a PR, will he actually use his powers and.... you know.... come D4 actually speak up about anything that isn't his mixtape?
Hell if he rolled a PR, would he actually night PM the mod asking to USE his night powers?
In post 550, PvtUrist wrote:but he doesnt even answer my questions in PT so theres that :/
Amazing.
For what it's worth my two cents are that N_M would at least DENY something he isn't.

So where do we go from here?
Do we remain skeptical or accept everyone's claims and focus on the people not in a PT?

I think it might be a good time for a massclaim as:
-half the cast is already outed
-the PT cop's use is limited, at least this way he can confirm townies (no PT = nothing at all? inb4 another game mechanic that doesn't allow this) for us
-scum would be forced to band together in some way, and they can't do that by joining a pre-existing neighborhood, and also can't go joining one with townies in it. I think this would lead to a scum-clump and then life would be simpler.
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Post Post #562 (isolation #53) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:30 pm

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In post 552, Delta Diamond wrote:good idea i am vannila townie
I kind of wanted a consensus and everyone to say stuff for/against it first... also the order in which people claim kind of matters....
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Post Post #565 (isolation #54) » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:29 am

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Would it make sense for scum to have a roleblocking PR this game though?
Also by that reasoning, why wasn't springtrap killed N1?
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Post Post #581 (isolation #55) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:15 pm

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Why.....?
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Post Post #604 (isolation #56) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:47 pm

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I don't follow why a scum!overkill neighbor would kill his town buddy, and how that would benefit him.
If anything this is lynchbait that was easily setup.
I strongly suspect texcat and stk of foul play and shenanigans.
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Post Post #605 (isolation #57) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:55 pm

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Guh, is it bad that I TR everyone who claimed (and Gamma for not being in a PT) and scumread the remaining players?
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Post Post #632 (isolation #58) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:12 pm

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I'm not going to jump on the trekkie wagon today
He's made posts that are objectively "bad" and anti-town as you guys have previously pointed out. Yes, his ISO reads scummy and every other post looks LAMISTy.

However I don't think that this is the type of play that gets scum!trekkie safe home. I've also
been in the same game with him, even though he replaced in after I died
played with scum!trekkie before and his playstyle was much more active and less... this.
In post 625, Trekkie99 wrote:LoL piss off.
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Post Post #633 (isolation #59) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:39 pm

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I'm so very lost this game. Here's why:

(People that claimed)
-NM & Urist: Town
I buy """their""" mason claim, especially considering how NM is complete lynch bait and it's a miracle his wagons go through.
A NM non-mason flip is too risky and Urist can't afford to be lying about it.

-Overkill: Town
As I've said before I don't see scum!overkill killing off his neighbor.

-Springtrap: Town
Similar reasoning with the masons. I am confused as to how he made it past N1, but he now has the burden of providing night actions that are consistent and will stand up to scrutiny for several days.
I also like 'how' he soft claimed at the end of D1 to avoid the lynch and then hard claimed D2- I feel that he did what he had to in the towniest way possible.
His FNaF roleplay however.....

-DD: Null
I liked this slot before the replacement (and urist does have a known streak of similar behavior :P), esp with wanting to take the lynch to avoid a PR mislynch.
However the way DD claimed VT after I brought up massclaiming as an option to move things forward (I still stand by that btw) feels opportunistic.
Like DD knew full well that it wasn't the right play to do then and there, but did it anyway just to get his VT claim out in the open.

(The rest of you lot)
-Gamma Emerald: Town
PT cop said "no PT". I don't see ANY indication of traitor-like behavior (and I guess there isn't one as the 2 neighborhood + masonry w/ PT cop is already experimental enough game design but then again it would be hilarious to include a "Cop" that won't give any info when targeting a "traitor"....)

-Trekkie: Town for reasons stated above. Oh wow I just realized that I think "being bad" is a town tell for me..... erm....

And this leaves Texcat,
Jaina
Jenga, and Singletonking as the remaining 3 players who haven't claimed and by process of elimination described above must be the scum team.... wait no that can't be right.

-Texcat: hammered yesterday and was pressed hard for it. I view it as townie (even though it was pushed by N_M of all people).
-STK: probably the most active scum hunter. I've stated my powerwolfing concerns, but I like their analysis.
-Jenga: I really like # analysis.
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Post Post #634 (isolation #60) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:51 pm

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So here's where I'm at.
I don't want to view "not actively scum hunting" or "not being pro-town 100% of the time" as scum tells/reads as that's impossible to pull of. This thread can get quite stale at times and we can't point fingers at everyone for not posting/being 100% obv!town at every moment. That's what got me to (probably) tunnel on clemency on D1.

I'd like it if we massclaimed (in an organised way)- that way we can get more bunches/clumps of scum.
Like the Urist & NM masonry (like... if the game ends up to 3-2 LyLo with BOTH masons being alive... then.....), or the Gamma & Springtrap claim clearing.
Because scum can't all of a sudden wiggle their way into preexisting neighborhoods or masonries, they'd have to coordinate to fit in.
Given the game design (and my browsing of all the potential roles that the wiki has to offer) I doubt there's a really important "gamechanging" PR still left unaccounted for, plus we already have 1 ""investigative"".
Plus, given that half the cast has already claimed- if they're lying, it would be really difficult for them to keep up the charades for several more nights.

Comments/thoughts/support/votes?
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Post Post #669 (isolation #61) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:23 am

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In post 663, Jenga wrote:Unfortunately I am not finding a useful scum game for singletonking:
He says "Alt of BulletNLynchproof. To eventually replace BNL as the main account." in his sig so if you want a meta read there's that.

I like the in-depth ISO analysis (too much effort for mere LAMIST).
This, with the PoE I mentioned in #, and the desire to move things before a deadline leads to
VOTE: Texcat
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Post Post #681 (isolation #62) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:52 pm

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Guh dead line pressure forces us to compromise on a lynch.
Realistically- I'm not lynching a PR or a mason claim as they'll be easier to sort in the upcoming days.
That leaves texcat or trekkie as a wagon that can go through today. I'd rather texcat but express an INTENT TO HAMMER trekkie provided therr are no more claims.
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Post Post #698 (isolation #63) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:46 pm

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Ok so now we can officially confirm Urist as town...
Massclaim today? Guys if we don't do something game changing, the deadline will be up in our face again and we'll have to rush lynch YET-AGAIN.

@Delta- I get your issue behind Springtrap still being alive, however that can be sorted tomorrow when he gives us a read.
(9 players w/ probably 3 scum remaining and hopefully no bs 2 townies dying at once)
Until then- would scum!springtrap be clearing his scum buddies or authentic townies to blend in? All it takes is one wrong step and that's that.

So now- (assuming we're still not mass claiming...)
I'm going to assume that all of Springtrap's claims are legit (a.k.a today I'm not going to support a wagon inside Urist, Gamma, Singleton, and said PT cop) which leaves Delta, Jenga, 0verkill, and texcat. (3/4 of these are scum...??)

-I've already made my position on texcat known yesterday (# #) Strongest Scumread out of the 4 (which isn't saying much..)
-Delta is probably going to fall under my 'being bad is a town tell'- Null-town (Weakest town read because their posts are anti-town)
-I really like Jaina's analysis posts every now and then
because they help explain this hard game for me
.
-0verkill I've read as town ever since the neighbor outing as well as Munch dying as "it won't make sense for scum!overkill to kill his neighbor" rings true in the back of my mind.

Now my problem is that I've been giving people passes for "there's no way scum would make it to end-game with this
bad
play", but we're pretty damn close to endgame so
Let's massclaim


Also as an aside- would adding scum but not giving them a PT be a bastardly thing to come from the mod? :mrgreen:
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Post Post #711 (isolation #64) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:26 pm

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Guys we can't afford to dilly dally- massclaim time.
My suggestion- popcorn with urist starting us off
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Post Post #713 (isolation #65) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:14 pm

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Ok now uhh... pass the popcorn to the person you'd like to claim next, keeping in mind that if scum gets to claim first, the can't take as many risk,

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... im#Popcorn
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Post Post #740 (isolation #66) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:42 am

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VT
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Post Post #781 (isolation #67) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:01 pm

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I don't like the 3/5 ''vote in the VT + neighbor pool" state this game is in- or rather 3/4 from my perspective.
Also realistically + for all intents and purposes: you guys aren't lynching me because for some reason I've been magically able to avoid any and all suspicion and townread by most of you.
I could just get away with a nice and simple 'oh texcat/overkill feel scum teehee' post, but I think I have an obligation to point thjs out: 3 people here are lying.
It feels wrong and way too simple as though the process of elimination has been orchestrated to go this smoothly. The NM NK before he decided to take the game seriously, and the Munchmellow NK to make Overkill potential lyncbait until the end of the game really feel like contingency plans and not "winning" scum plays unless they have something else in mind: there's at most 2 scum in this pool but all 3 just gives me a really bad feeling about all of this.

So right now I've been trying to circumvent the Okham's razor that we have here by seeing what hypothetical scum!springtrap would give us

The case for a scum!PTcop can be made and can also be argued from the setup spec (just like you've been trying to do with overkill). The hammer in the nail that does this for me is his post saying "I give up so I'll sheep and do whatever urist says" which insanely sets off my scum radar as "premature scum victory celebration".
Jaina's intense defence of a scum PT cop seems too tryhard to come from just town, yet it's quite in line with her bits of analysis throughout the game. Powerwolfing well much? I say this because her conclusions feel very much layered on with the dark and ominous "town will NOT win w/ 2 days of Lylo and has at most a *insert low precentage here* shot"
Stk because he was the second person springtrap cleared. This may be grasping at straws, but I think scum!springtrap might've cleared a townie N1 to test the waters (D2 lynch => probable D3 mislynch as a result) and once towncred has been established, clearing your partners might be the way to go
DD vs Springtrap might be just plain SvS bants and 'badness as a town tell' really needs to stop applying at some point.

This, coupled with my inexperience in understanding "town power" and whatever the hell Gamma's role is (oh and we had a neighborizer that would've minimized/cancelled out springtrap as town power...?) makes me want to push springtrap as I think it'll be the most informative lynch tonight.

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Post Post #783 (isolation #68) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:11 pm

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We need to know whether the springtrap's clears are legit BEFORE we go into Lylo.

-scum!springtrap with his 2 ""clears"" put add 3 people in the lynchpool. Greenflip!springtrap removes 2
-any clears springtrap makes during the upcoming Lylo days are just going to raise more WIFOM
-scum is never going to NK a town!springtrap as the doubt he'll bring in is their most valuable weapon.

So if there is any way at all that he could squeeze out a third read before we get into Lylo (no lynch night...?) please let me know. Otherwise I wanr to fix this uncertainty TODAY as we'll never get the chance to do so
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Post Post #785 (isolation #69) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:27 pm

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In post 782, PvtUrist wrote:and I'm gone
Yeah... how does it feel to stare death in the eyes knowing that you'll be next?
In post 782, PvtUrist wrote:how do you proceed on D4 off of that?
Well we lose "3" confirmed townies (with you dead, and gamma + stk being thrown back in the lynch pool), and this game becomes even more !fun.
In the event of a red springtrap flip, I'd go back into reading ISOs and give townpoints to anyone who doubted springtrap early on(supporting him = powerwolfing = scum way to go)

Eitherway, I'm trying to go for an 'uncertainty vs utility' trade off.
If no one here is willing to entertain this idea, then I'll have to swallow all that and proceed unwaveringly under the assumption that springtrap is conf!town which leads to this current (small) lynchpool, plus whomever he clears tonight which should lead to a won game. However something tells me that the math won't add up.
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Post Post #786 (isolation #70) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:28 pm

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In post 781, Vorkuta wrote:I could just get away with a nice and simple 'oh texcat/overkill feel scum teehee' post
winning play for a scum!vork here
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Post Post #789 (isolation #71) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:39 pm

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You're not exactly the town!urist I know (pre-mason flip) either.

I mean look- this is my play here.
You take the
blue
pill, vote within your 5 player lynch pool (which is probably yours truly as of #781) and keep on doing that in Lylo.
You take the
red
pill, accept that this game seems waay too easy and support me on the springtrap lynch

However, if you decide to take the
blue
former option, town loses if at any moment that Springtrap and any of his reads are added back into the lynchpool- it would be too late.

I like town's odds more without this uncertainty (RNG) in Lylo.
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Post Post #793 (isolation #72) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:42 pm

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In post 791, Springtrap wrote:"justify"
Look- a scum!PTcop can either clear townies for towncred as well as insurance for the future, or clear his scum partners in the hope that noone will call him on his bluff.

I'm calling you out on it.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #73) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:53 pm

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In post 794, Gamma Emerald wrote:This does not sound right wtf
In what universe does he make it past this night?
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Post Post #802 (isolation #74) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:06 am

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Come on rest of you guys- back me up here.
This game is not THIS easy
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Post Post #826 (isolation #75) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:30 am

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Ok let's go
In post 807, Delta Diamond wrote:like now that everyone has a small lynchpool vork is freaking out but where were they when I was pushing D2
I was
-pushing for a massclaim to try and get things sorted out
-trying to do PoE to determine what happens assuming everyone who claimed wasn't lying and wasn't happy with the conclusion I came to

@Jaina and @Overkill- what are your thoughts on POTENTIAL springtrap shenanigans?
Do you refuse to acknoweldge that possibility at all?
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Post Post #828 (isolation #76) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:59 am

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In post 824, singletonking wrote:Why is pushing Springtrap scummy?
The PR's and "confirmed" townies have it in their mind that
-There is a lynchpool of 5 remaining
-Out of the 5, 3 are scum.
-Scum "wincon" is 2 more mislynches.
So their choice is to either A- aim for a mislynch INSIDE the lynchpool (needs to be played perfectly, or it fails and scum basically loses) or B- aim for a springtrap mislynch.
Urist (and seemingly most other people who voted) is convinced that scum!yourstruly is trying to pull B off.

Now my perspective:
I've already explained why I'm hesitant to allow springtrap into Lylo with us.
I don't see why the !scum players in the lynchpool chose to claim VT instead of a proper PR (or at least something as confusing as whatever the hell Gamma has to throw us off guard) as it would give them a day or two and is probably the better/winning move.
So, if I were to assume that there exists mafia OUTSIDE the lynchpool, the only explanation for it (aside from traitor BS, which we collectively agreed on isn't likely) is that springtrap is lying to us, or if there exists another modifier that caused springtrap to "misclear" gamma & stk (which I think would be bordering on unfair coming from the setup).
From my perspective I don't like the 3/4 (DD, texcat, Jaina, & overkill) situation. I have semi-decent town reads on most of them (as I've explained before), and when I try to balance the 3/4 situation with the possibility that springtrap might be scum, I am placed in this position.

I am in the lynchpool as an uncleared VT, and as of one post before #781 I was in damn near perfect standing with town and the least likely to get lynched.
I invoke
In post 781, Vorkuta wrote:I could just get away with a nice and simple 'oh texcat/overkill feel scum teehee' post
and
In post 722, PvtUrist wrote:I don't expect that kind of bad coming from a spire player
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Post Post #834 (isolation #77) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:18 pm

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Are we going to do the thing where the thread 'dies' again?...

Overkill- thoughts on scum!PTcop? Everyone else in the lynch pool said something
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Post Post #838 (isolation #78) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:28 am

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From urist? an open mind and more leadership for town to follow :P

Ok let's play it like this- let's assume that the 3 scum are inside the lynchpool.
Can everyone IN the lynchpool provide their reads on everyone else in said lynchpool?
We'll see what the consensus is and then try to decide whether legit wagon/bussing/sheeping.

Or hell, everyone give 2/3 that are town/scum that are in the lynchpool.
I'd like everyone's statemenets, and not just "oh I support this 1 person lynch today"
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Post Post #839 (isolation #79) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:29 am

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Goddamn I can't english on tablet

I've already tried to do something like that in #, but now I'm
forcing
demanding 2 names from each and every one of you.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #80) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:24 am

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I'm trying to get somewhere with that, but it looks like everyone's for texcat, overkill, or yours truly today
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Post Post #856 (isolation #81) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:27 pm

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Texcat- looks like there`s going to be a wagon on you.
Do you still support an Overkill lynch, or should I be the one to go today?
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Post Post #859 (isolation #82) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:33 pm

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Which wagom are you MORE in favor of?
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Post Post #881 (isolation #83) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:06 am

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Regardless of whether you`ve hammered scum or not, you have deprived us of any chance of seeing what plays could have been made. I was curious to see where the overkill wagon might lead.

I call BS on not delta not paying attention as I go through people`s ISOs and confirm VCs just to avoid situations like this
and also to potentially correct someone
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Post Post #889 (isolation #84) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:29 pm

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Springtrap- what`d we get?

Gamma- why and what do we do?
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Post Post #892 (isolation #85) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:49 pm

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So we grill the living daylights out of Delta for quickhammering """accidentally"""

Btw- is this game solved yet?
Assuming no one here will question our divine PT cop, its Delta&Overk1ll&Jenga

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Post Post #896 (isolation #86) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:25 am

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Yes I'm "claiming scum"- that's exactly what I'm doing. /s
On the contrary- from where I stand, there are 4 people left in the lynchpool. I'm the town out of the 4 which leaves the 3 of you to be scum, regardless of what the PT cop tells us.

You're not off the hook for quicklynching like that so you're going to have to do a bit better.
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Post Post #898 (isolation #87) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:15 am

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......
Because yesterday the scummiest thing to have been done this game was the """accidental""" quick lynch.
Overkill is just quiet and lurks all day and won't engage, and Jaina will probably write some analysis post anyway.

Plus that's a horrible way to go around asking questions: "2 other people are scum- why don't you ask THEM anything?"
All in good time.
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Post Post #905 (isolation #88) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:46 am

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Look Delta- I'm not changing my vote.

-There's no way anyone that's conf!town would entertain a wagon on Springtrap in Lylo. If you can't beat em, join em.
-Your acting feels.... bad and forced?
-I buy the "town power" thing- 2 masons, and a "fruit vendor" (visitor) simply feels dumb.
-Other players who have experience with setups are comfortable with the idea that he's we have a town PT cop.

Chalk it up to my inexperience/inability to do otherwise, but I'm going to play the rest of the game assuming springtrap is town.
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