Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Firebringer]

how the hell am i below urself in townieness just because u know ur role pm u think ur more townie than me?
rude as hell ank

[Firebringer]

i wish i was eddie cane.
eddie cane is a fuckign legend

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how the hell am i below urself in townieness just because u know ur role pm u think ur more townie than me?
rude as hell ank

you take that back mr "I'm getting townread too easily"

ohh right....
why the hell r u not scumreading me. I am so clearly scum ms ank. ur still rude.

[Firebringer]

you expect scum me to follow through with what he says? Come on. U have too high expectations for my memory or consistency.

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my title is about modding/setup creation not gameplay. but i haven't done a setup in years so ur forgiven for not knowing

[Firebringer]

also it is about me smoking weed lol. i haven't smoked weed in almost a year too. aint my title so antiquated

[Firebringer]

i know i should smoke weed and make setups again. I don't think people are interested in my modding though. I have difficulty filling games these days and i think the player base has moved past my setups.

[Firebringer]

you have only one? i have a basket of about 8-9 in various stages of completion and most of them i am not inspired enough to think they would be interesting enough to play. i am also deeply ashamed of so many games i have run and only think i am proud of 2 of them. The rest are like "god i suck at this ".

[Firebringer]

r u me?

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i feel weird with the thought ur the evil twin. i think i would be a better evil twin. ur too good to be evil. u suck at this evil thing

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hey rc how u doing cutie?

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why not?

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u need to stop flipping people off

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not really about this game.
u watching any good movies or tv shows lately that u would recommend?

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lol I have seen them. they are good films. not sure I feel like watching them again rn

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ohh come on rc.

[Firebringer]

when I say let go this is really not what I mean buddy, you are just resigning to not play the game.

[Firebringer]

dude I know you are unhappy with this situation. u don't seem at all over it.
do you need a v/la or something?

Like yes I don't want u organizing pairings. Why can't we have a middle ground of you putting in some effort while not taking the game seriously to shit post and just enjoy the fact this is a game and realize the absurdity of it being like a completely serious thing all the time to where it impacts the game in a negative way? or am I being stupid unreasonable with this idea?

[Firebringer]

u know I want u to be happy right? and its frustrating for me to help u when all I see is things that are hurting u and what u want seems to be something that just hurts u more.

[Firebringer]

*sigh* at some point I should probably just stop assuming I know what will be best for ur mental health.

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@Mod I am going V/LA for a week

[Firebringer]

If TheBrie is wolf Vedith/Fire probably contains 1 wolf

wut

[Firebringer]

ohh okay that makes sense

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here we go again

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Should I leave the dance before Vedith uses my coins?

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wait what exactly does the coins do? Do they make a person confirmed town or do they flip them. The setup doesn't make this clear

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ohhh its a vote weighting.
so vedith has the most vote power.

not like emergency situation unless vedith can defacto lynch someone.

[Firebringer]

vedith is currently doing that thing what I do when I am scum.

pretend you don't care.

he is very likely scum here

[Firebringer]

It seems so strange to me looking at brie posts and seeing that she is concerned about who gets coins (specifically krazy) but isn't concerned of definitely sorting me/vedith when that has the 8 coins. Wouldn't that be a concern for her?

Or is it not a real concern because it doesn't even seem like a genuine concern.

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this is so fucking frustrating because i'm not even 100% on brie being scum. i just think she's... not locktown. i don't want her treated as locktown. there's enough agreed locktowns that we can work around her

so right now I either play against my wincondition or be forced to make an incredibly divisive play that will only see justification part of the time

im not lock towning thebrie. is this at moment or who exactly?

[Firebringer]

rc is a over controlling parent over moments love life.

[Firebringer]

rc is a over controlling parent over moments love life.

Who shall I pick, the rebellious bad boy Brie or the choice that my overcontrolling parents want me to pick, SS?

I am a bigger supporter of giving people freedom of choice so I shall give u same advice I tell myself.


BURN BOTH OF THEM TO THE GROUND!

[Firebringer]

NO SON OF MINE IS BRINGING AN AUSSIE GIRL HOME MOMENT

I really should be insulted by this. What's wrong with Aussie girls?

they are bad girls.

[Firebringer]

why is the aussie accent hot on guys but not girls?
serious question.

[Firebringer]

Scottish accent in general is gr8. perfect 10/10. So pleasant to the ears.

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Vedith i am not sure where ur attempts have been this game.
And I am not even certain of what your trying to do because your last posts indicated you didn't care. Now you do care.
I don't even know where ur reads are.

And last time we had a discussion about ur read on me specifically u had waffled between wanting to convince me ur town to saying i was scum and that u were going to leave me or something.

And I fully plan to leave u the minute I think u do something to shady and rn my shady bells are ringing so if u can give me the crux of everything going through ur head in the PT or here. Would appreciate it.

[Firebringer]

Whats wrong?

[Firebringer]

my strongest qualities are not reading, it's definitely presenting towniness tho

lol what

[Firebringer]

my strongest qualities are not reading, it's definitely presenting towniness tho

lol what

sorry not everyone can find as many scums as you do

no I mean you said ur strongest quality was not reading. Do you mean something else by that then my knee jerk thought of "I don't read"

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I completely misunderstood that post. thanks for clarifying.

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I want Gamma paired because that's the path of least shenanigans. We just pair everyone and then vote no lynch straightaway, and that way there's no chance of a yolobomb.

what u mean it will lead to less shenanigans?
gamma is gonna be like a mislynch option at any time.
trust me on that one.

I don't even have a townread. I just think any person paired with gamma will lead to him being on the lynch table at any time because that's just how people see him in general.

[Firebringer]

I mean, there's no chance of scum-Vedith going out in a blaze of glory because the lynch threshold will be 9.

Gamma's pair definitely gets lynched in second dance, probably first, but by that point we're out of yolobomb territory.

I don't understand ur point if u think they get lynched either way and u somehow think them getting lynched later is less of a yolobomb than during the first dance exactly? I am confused on what is going through ur mind, what am i missing?

[Firebringer]

the chances of scum using yolo bomb to me seems low but idk what is going through their mind.

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yolobomb sounds more like something a townie would do than scum but w/e

also not sure why this changes anything with gamma being partnered or not. unles that changes how effective a yolobomb would be.

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I mean, there's no chance of scum-Vedith going out in a blaze of glory because the lynch threshold will be 9.

Gamma's pair definitely gets lynched in second dance, probably first, but by that point we're out of yolobomb territory.

I don't understand ur point if u think they get lynched either way and u somehow think them getting lynched later is less of a yolobomb than during the first dance exactly? I am confused on what is going through ur mind, what am i missing?

I'm talking about if Vedith is scum and, knowing that town would win through PoE otherwise, hammers a widely townread pair like Moment/Brie. That's a lynch on a pair that otherwise would never have been lynched, which is a huge blow to town.

you know I could leave the dance as soon as I see one vote down to not even give vedith the chance, right?

[Firebringer]

leave the dance means killing urself?

ive literally 0 problems with this.

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I don't think letting gamma pair live to second dance is anyway beneficial to town because I think that just makes more shenanigans later even if u think they are likely to get lynched then. but w/e.

I don't agree with people who say gamma should get paired.

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second dance everyone only has 1 vote

idk if this was targeted at me, but I know this.

[Firebringer]

the risk is small imo to non existent when I have a magical gun that gets rid of it.

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i personally think killing 3 players, 3 potential townies is a dumb idea no matter how much you scum read that person, especially in pre-voting stage

do you catch what i am trying to say?

free early lynches are free early lynches.
I get what ur saying, I just don't agree.

if I thought these slots were townie then it would be different but I don't think I am ever going to get a townread of gamma. so there is that.

[Firebringer]

But if Gamma doesn't pair, you don't get a chance to get rid of it. Vedith just swoops in with VOTE: Moment and it's lights out.

or here is a plausible alternative.
as soon as dance starts I leave before vedith posts because I am more active and can do that before he does anything.

but I would be lying if I said I don't want to hear him out in the PT first before I do anything but if gamma doesn't pair that is likely what i am gonna do.

[Firebringer]

But if Gamma doesn't pair, you don't get a chance to get rid of it. Vedith just swoops in with VOTE: Moment and it's lights out.

or here is a plausible alternative.
as soon as dance starts I leave before vedith posts because I am more active and can do that before he does anything.

but I would be lying if I said I don't want to hear him out in the PT first before I do anything but if gamma doesn't pair that is likely what i am gonna do.

why did you pair up with him if you are just gonna do this

also what does gamma pairing exactly uh change this premise that vedith is scum who might yolobomb?

I love to leave my lovers is why

[Firebringer]

like I have mastered the fifty ways to leave your lover.
I know how to slip out the back jack

[Firebringer]

I am uninvested in game rn.
no strong scumreads to push.

I am probably going to go back through RCs ISO and sheep his reads when I decide to do something here.

[Firebringer]

pvurist is confirmed town here taly. why would he respond to ur case.

[Firebringer]

My main focus was to get a read on Fire via PT but that hasn't happened and I have a theory to why (resulting as Fire scum)

I thought it was to convince me ur town. since I was putting the shift onto u.

ur line of thinking makes 0 sense.

(expired on 2019-02-16 23:55:55) is when u die

[Firebringer]

I WILL BE DAMNED IF VEDITH THINKS HE CAN TELL ME HE SCUM READS ME.

not on my watch mr. u do what I say. I AM THE MANIAC LOVER U CHOSE!

[Firebringer]

lol double dog dare u to leave now.

[Firebringer]

I don't think I have used the phrase "double dog dare" since middleschool. Wow that takes me back.

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I actually think ur town here vedith so I am just messing with ur mind because it amuses me at this point.

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u don't have the balls <3

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I love our marriage

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Fire isn't in your readslist either, so I can't evaluate how your pair has communicated outside of that you both are (jokingly?) wanting to suicide....I just don't understand your view of this game. You're not elaborating on the reads, and it feels artificial when you think I'm intimidating you into expanding on them.

As my friend told me in the PT.

You are being a dick. Stop it.

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lol i got vedith to leave a townie.

WINNING!

[Firebringer]

bragging that u got me wrong son.

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unless u did the unexpected scum move of leaving the dance like i have done.

then u have :surprised Pikachu: me

[Firebringer]

bragging that u got me wrong son.

If that's the case, one day I'll get it right.

u can always dream buddy. you can always dream <3

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Krazy. You bastard.

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Krazy. You are the official the worst.
The worst needs to transfer his account to you.

This was god awful.

I am so upset with you. You need to go in the shame box.

[Firebringer]

Why? Nancy played well. It was a good game.

No.

No.

No.


You played bad.

[Firebringer]

dann.
I was rooting for u so hard.

I was the only one in the dead thread that believed.

[Firebringer]

You played bad.

Well that's not a very nice thing to say

Good I want u to reflect on this.
This was really bad how you played this.

I was shouting at u in the dead pt for literally the last few pages.

[Firebringer]

I was shouting at u in the dead pt for literally the last few pages.

But you could have been shouting at me in thread if you hadn't convinced Vedith to leave the dance...?

No I couldn't.
I literally lost the motivation to play this game.

And you guys probably would have lynched my pair anyways.

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if ur trying to turn this around on me, theres a lot that can be critized about my play. I don't think you would have listened to me even if I was alive because you didn't during the game when I was alive.

and I don't think you take me seriously as a player to have me get u to reconsider ur terribad Nancy read.

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Thanks for believing in me FB, even tho I let you down

I've got a lot to learn from this game

I thought u did pretty good everything else considered tbh.
I at one point even said "I really hope dann is really considering why Nancy isn't being paranoid of him" and you took that in but didn't consider it enough apparently.

You seem to have general good instincts. Gotta trust them and think them through more

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Before I congratulate the scum team, I have one question for Nancy.

to replace out of a game for town cred is not something I believe Nancy would ever do.

Nancy, is this true? Did you threaten to replace out for town cred? I want an explanation from you.

No, I wasn’t sure I wanted to play scum again because I was also scum in the aborted version too. I signed up again, thinking I’d roll town, which is why I played poorly initially. I was really conflicted. I wasn’t sure if I wanted to play or not and when Fire and everyone began tunneling me, I kind of freaked me out because I still hadn’t gotten over being railroaded and mislynched in MBoS, so no, it wasn’t calculated. I was also terrified of losing it on Fire and get tempbanned, specifically because of how painful MBoS was for me.

And when I had some time to sleep on it, I realized that had way overreacted and that I wasn’t the kind of player who just gives up like that. I’m not a quitter.

This is called a tactical replace out.

[Firebringer]

So do we get the spoiler for the 'first run' now too?

Adelbert Steiner & the worst & Nancy Drew 39

I WAS RIGHT ON THE WORST!

BOOYAH.

[Firebringer]

You are the victim now?

@pedit the worst. Shut the hell up.

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I think it is really despicable of you to falsely accuse me. I didn’t even care about being lynched, it was the tunnelling that freaked me out, because that’s what happened in MBoS and I had a total meltdown in that game and that’s the game I should have replaced out in. I profusely apologize for not wanting to get banned. ffs!

You come in here.

Told us we were being unfair to you. Because we scumread you.
Were treating you badly.

Played it like we were being profusely inappropriate regards to you.
Then replaced out because it was too much.

Either you can't handle being scumread and shouldn't play the game.
Or you manipulated players into townreading you by requesting to replace out because of fake emotional breakdown.

Pick one.

And go fuck yourself for playing as though you are a victim.

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ALSO ALSO

LETS ADD ON THE FACT THAT YOU MESSAGED FG.
THAT I WAS BEING UNFAIR TO YOU.
SO YOU TOLD HIM TO TELL ME TO STOP.

SO NOT ONLY WERE YOU SCUM AND YOU KNEW THAT FACT. YOU WENT TO THE GAME MOD TO GET ME TO STOP.
WHEN YOU WERE BEING A SHITHEAD.

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You guys townread Nancy.
Because she emotionally manipulated almost all of us in the early stages of the game.
She used that to propel herself forward.

Now she can say she didn't mean to do any of that. And if she really didn't good for her, doesn't change the fact that she did. She was behaving poorly, and should be called on it.

And I think she should apologize for that behavior.
But I think everyone here is too afraid of a confrontation to ask that or just wants to forget it because this is unpleasant.

No one should be replacing out of games because they are being scumread. If you can't handle then don't play the game.

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Fire stop you're being a jackass. I've had a moment where I felt mistreated as scum (though this was on a more personal level it's still valid, also came after my flip). The feeling was very genuine and I was pretty sure about it. So its 100% feasible for Nancy to have felt genuinely targeted. What I'm seeing from her is she's saying she didn't want to have another mental breakdown. So you either need to understand that or shut the fuck up and never play with me or Nancy again.
PEdit: hold up is DT the worst?

Stop empathizing with a person who is behaving like a child.
I get your still a kid but you need grow up and realize just because someone might have genuine feelings doesn't excuse their actions.

[Firebringer]

Stop empathizing with a person who is behaving like a child.

Yeah you need to stop giving Nancy shit. Your play this game was about 1000x worse in my book. You made us backpedal on the strategy for dance 1 by pairing without looking at your rolecard, and you goaded a T/T pair into leaving by completely flaking on your PT.

Like you can't give Nancy shit for emotional manipulation *when you manipulated Vedith into wasting his slot*.

So no, sorry, Nancy played incredibly well given she was in a role she didn't want, with a teammate she actively disliked.

My play can definitely be criticized man. If you think what I did is comparable to what Nancy did, I don't even know man.

These are like two different universes. If you want to go into a discussion about it. Hit me up on discord and I can lay out in greater detail of how on the ethical spectrum they aren't even in near the same league.

[Firebringer]

There we go. Now we can all move on.

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TY for the game FakeGod.

Besides that other stuff I thought you played pretty good Nancy. Gamma and DT were okayish.

I was hyped to be town in 2 dances in a row. Thoguht Id def get scum.
I wonder if this ends the dance meta of me leaving a partner.

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naah just bully ank. its what I do.

[Firebringer]

dann was really fun playing with u.

[Firebringer]

So I kind of want to address the thing with the mech play that everyone was upset about me for. Really frustrating for you guys to play with someone who went against the whole plan and kill your motivation for the game. I get that. Not gonna change my play at all to conform to that kind of play, never have, never will. You don't have to play with me if it kills your enjoyment of the game that much. Not gonna adjust myself to play like that when I don't think its good play. I rather play and win by outright play then going for these mechanical things. Mechanical things are interesting to talk about but I am not going to make decisions based on them. Not my thing.

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we focused so much on the coin mechanic and countering it that we left the door wide open for scum to pocket town to endgame.

That is the real threat of the setup since the only pairings that matter are the most townread ones. The rest will all be eliminated before them.

and that would be a good critique of mech play. you get so focused on irrelevant thigns that you forget to focus on scum. fite me ank.

[Firebringer]

Oh the 9 to lynch cutoff was something I actually wasn't aware of

Then yes, coins outright do not matter.

Multiple people pointed that out Ank

[Firebringer]

I know I said someone would need to vote for someone else to hammer. We were arguing about whther to leave people out of the dance and SS said if we did that then Vedith could insta hammer if we did.

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I don't even know what 7 pair lynching is.

[Firebringer]

Vedith smelled and deserved it. He is a baka~!

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Just remember Nancy, I've only ever pushed a scumread on you when you were scum.

I only let that go because of the replace out WIFOM and constantly being told by so many people that I was wrong about it, and by the time I let it go, you plugged up the hole that I was seeing scumyou from

I swear sometims I think u are me in disguise.

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I wasn't scumreading Allo like you were

even ur quips are like my quips.

stop pretending ur not me.

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The difference, that this wasn’t the same situation in reverse. I was trying to avoid a ban for completely different reasons here. You were following the thread to know that I had a meltdown in a previous game on here, where I was being deathtunnelled and wrongly sr, right?Anyway, thanks. Thanks to you, everyone knows about things they needn’t. It wasn’t really your place to violate my privace by bringing that up. It served it’s purpose I guess, so meh.

Nancy. I think you still don't get that nobody was death tunneling you.
The game was going on for less than 24 hours when you requested a replace out.

I don't want to get into a fight with you about this, but you really should have thought that out when you were getting frustrated and think "well wait. The game isnt' going on very long. The last game had X many replace outs. Maybe I should take a break from the thread"

[Firebringer]

Well don't make it too obvious or we are going to get banned

NEVARRRR

[Firebringer]

rude af

I'm death tunneling you next game JUST LIKE YOY PROMISED TO DO TO ME THIS GAME YOU BUTT

how do u know I won't like it

[Firebringer]

hawt

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I wish I paired with moment

WOW. TRYING TO MAKE ME JEALOUS RNT U!?

[Firebringer]

that's very heteronormative of u

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KRAZY DISCORD ME

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ank is jelly.

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And I am delicious.

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@FakeGod, sorry if I got overly tilted. I was already upset that you had this discussion itt, rather than PM, which is the standard practice. We talk via PL, reach a conclusion, then you post THAT in the main thread, so I already felt extremely violated by that and when you then add insult to injury by lauding another player for referencing off site information and use it to further shame me, I have to put my foot down. You should have also told Fire not to talk about your private PM correspondence with you in the dead thread, instead you chose to not only look the other way but escalate it. I would have preferred to tell you this via PM but unlike DT, who I believed to have been well-intentioned, you decided to push the envelope with something that really shouldn’t be any of your business to comment on. I mean, where does it end? What if someone googled me and posted private personal info about me? Yes, I realize that is a major reach but your lack of concern about what is and what isn’t acceptable to be lecturing someone in a public thread is extremely worrisome to me. There is a very good reason for the accepted practice to conduct these matters,

privately

. So, what I want to know, is where does it end for you? At what point do you decide that me or anyone else has an absolute right to privacy concerning all thing non-MS related?

What even is this

[Firebringer]

Taly i am calling the police and ur <3s

[Firebringer]

r u cheating on me with the police now.

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*puts hand behind head*

[Firebringer]

Do what feels right.

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That was pretty much rhetorical FG. Just thought it was a ridiculous position to take.

[Firebringer]

why did you not insist she leave the game in pre-dance when she bolded the request

I did.

[Firebringer]

a good personal rule on replacing out because of what is happening in a game.
before requesting it in game. take a 24 hour game break and if you still want to replace out you can make a post with alot less emotion in it so people won't read into it.

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The drama must never end.

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Nancy I think you need to take a break from mafia for a while if you are getting this worked up over it.

no u

With everyone being the best, no one will be

the obvious solution is that I am the best.

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No ank ur wrong.

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that is an interesting take on that post.

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man this whole thing seems surreal but also de ja vu